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April 5, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 April 2011

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reid

Why are people who doubt the veracity of the official story on 911 considered to be conspiracy theorists, with all that that word implies?

This comment I made last time we discussed this on here, on cognitive dissonance in the issue, remains my opinion.

Personally, I regard people who regard people like me as conspiracy theorists, as being childishly naive when it comes to real geopolitical realities which actually do occur in our world.

I rarely see cogent criticism of 911 posts not just here but everywhere, and my theory is this is because people constantly mis-interpret what that person is saying. The very first post on this thread implied that IF you were a 911 CONSPIRACY THEORIST then you MUST believe the US govt was behind it because this part of what they all believe. And you see this often. This is a signal to me, that people who say those things are as brainwashed, in their own way, as those lefties who respond hysterically to AGW issues or like toad did when he called me homophobic the other day – racism and sexism. It’s all fucking brainwashing, shame some of you apparently don’t recognise it when it happens to you.
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April 5, 2011 7:17pm
Pauleastbay

Kaya

Thank goodness ( read “fuck” for that ) for that, this last WC was a major snore Canada V Ireland , riveting. The next will be 10 teams, round robin like the 92 one held here and in Australia.

The Orissssssssssssssh are not professional sooooooooooooooooo……hear hear for the ICC on a competent quickly made decision aimed at maximising revenue – because it is a professional game.
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April 5, 2011 7:26pm
Pauleastbay

Reid…………Personally, I regard people who regard people like me as conspiracy theorists, as being childishly naive when it comes to real geopolitical realities which actually do occur in our world………………

Its not that Reid, its just many of us think you are bat shit crazy over this sort of thing and choose to ignore you, just a tad embarrassed for you really, we look the other way, like when old uncle Mike is having a leak…….in his favourite easy chair.
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April 5, 2011 7:31pm
mattyroo

bullet said:

Hurf – yeah, um, where would you put such a reactor in these shaky isles? I remember some rightist saying you could get around it by floating breeder reactors out at sea ……lol

Maybe you missed it bullet, or more likely you’re spinning lefty lies, but the earthquake did negligble damage to the nuclear reactors at Fukushima. The consequential damage we have seen is due to the back-up cooling pumps being destroyed by the tsunami.

This is all the fault of the greenies, for two reasons;
1. This nuclear plant should have been shutdown years ago and been replaced by a Passive Safety Generation IV plant, which would not have had the detrimental effects of the tsunami. However, greenies have made the process of getting new nuclear plants built so fucking difficult, that it is easier to just keep running older plants, that should really have been decommissioned.
2. The spent fuel rods should not have been at this plant. This is where most of the problems have come from, as it is the spent fuel rods that need the continual cooling, post removal from the reactor. These rods should have been at a secure facility, where there is no likelihood of tsunamis or other event that could have interrupted the cooling process. The Yanks were building one of these, yet the greenies have forced the project to be stalled.

Yet again in the name of “progress”, the greenies have blood on their hands, for the sake of their blind ideology.
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April 5, 2011 7:38pm
big bruv

I endorse the comments of Pauleastbay @ 7.31, I do not always agree with Reid, however, 99% of his comments are well argued and well thought out.

The trouble comes when Reid starts talking about 911, sadly an otherwise sane and intelligent man starts coming across as a fruit loop or Penny Bright supporter (one and the same).
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April 5, 2011 7:40pm
reid

BB and Paul, just so long you know you’re ignorant, that’s all. See, I know everything you do about the world, which you get from public sources, plus I read other dimensions as well.

Take Georgia. Why did Russia invade that, a year or two ago? What’s your analysis?
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April 5, 2011 7:43pm
thedavincimode

No Manolo, its true. He said so.

I used to be in journalism. I had a paper round.
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April 5, 2011 7:52pm
reid

This sounds interesting.

Paul and BB, my 7:43 was impertinent and poorly worded, my apologies.

My point about Georgia is, I think it’s quite likely from what I’ve read that the conspiracy world could be right. What the conspiracy world says is that the Russians captured US and Israeli equipment. Putin invaded because he wants Iran to remain a dangerous irritant in the ME and the Israeli’s were scoping an air-base that could take out Iran without over-flying Iraq, which the US continues to deny them, because it knows if Israel bombs Iran, Iran unleashes their Mujahideen in Iraq and they could lose the entire show. Cut the supply lines to the bases and you have pockets of 60,000 troops scatted throughout seething bandit country.

If true what this means is the US and Israel continue their close relationship, but there are limits. Or that it was a rogue operation and there are some factions that want to and others that don’t. And that’s useful information to file away. If it’s not true, and it actually in fact was, as the MSM says, an internal squabble between the Georgian leader and Russia, what has one lost, by filing that into the possible basket?

And so it goes.
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April 5, 2011 8:09pm
big bruv

Reid

OK…so I am ignorant because I watched two planes fly into a couple of buildings, I then watched those buildings burn, sadly a little later on those same buildings fell down….and that makes ME ignorant?
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April 5, 2011 8:12pm
reid

I watched two planes fly into a couple of buildings, I then watched those buildings burn, sadly a little later on those same buildings fell down

BB I watched that as well, plus other stuff. Why do you seem to think I’m saying that didn’t happen? I watched it happen. Yes, it happened.

Why would you think I have ever said it didn’t?

If you think I have, then think again.

Then have another look at cognitive dissonance.
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April 5, 2011 8:32pm
RightNow

Damn your phantom link reid. I must know about cognitive dissonance. Tell me everything you think you know.

Actually I have a good example of cognitive dissonance.
A salesman who believes his taxes are too high, but who sells at high margins to the government sector.
Or a campaigner for higher minimum wages who then wants lower prices for goods and services.

edit: that last example could be stupidity rather than cognitive dissonance.
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April 5, 2011 8:57pm
RightNow

Ah stupidity, helping stupid people live with themselves since they stopped dying from it.
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April 5, 2011 9:01pm
reid

Damn your phantom link reid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Now was that spooky or what? I’m not sure about you RightNow, but I think Julian Assange might have had something to do with that link business.

Crikey.
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April 5, 2011 9:18pm
RightNow

I’m not saying the link affair was a conspiracy, but I’m filing it away for later.
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April 5, 2011 9:22pm
Pete George

Any thoughts on the maturity shown by our politicians as they discuss resignations and snap elections?
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April 5, 2011 9:34pm
reid

I’m not saying the link affair was a conspiracy, but I’m filing it away for later.

Yes, Assange is interesting isn’t he. I’m just waiting for him to get a white cat.

Any thoughts on the maturity shown by our politicians as they discuss resignations and snap elections?

It’s terrific they can jest and banter and it just makes Goff look even worse, are the pluses for me.
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April 5, 2011 9:37pm
kaya

Pauleastbay – Ireland didn’t play Canada.

The Orissssssssssssssh are ranked ahead of Zimbabwe. They beat England at this world cup. They beat Pakistan at the last world cup.
Ireland made the highest successful run chase in World Cup history beating Sri Lanka’s 313 against Zimbabwe at New Plymouth in New Zealand in 1992. Kevin O’Brien scored the fastest century in the history of the world cup. They held their own against the other teams in the competition. What do they have to do to earn their place, bribe someone??? Fair enough, it’s a professional game and profits must be maximised.
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April 5, 2011 11:50pm
DJP6-25

Pete George 2:17pm. Yes, that’s exactly what ‘they’, and the Illuminati are up to. I see you’ve been visiting the Illuminati section of www. conspiracies r us.org. You should see the sections on orbital mind control lasers, and Area 51. -:)

cheers

David Prosser
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April 6, 2011 3:39am
KiwiGreg

@ redeye I guess in your world labelling someone as “stupid” for harmlessly protesting against the eco-fascists is not abuse but accurately labelling Penny Bright as “mad” is.

Oh well, keep taking those hypocracy pills, they are working.
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April 6, 2011 7:10am
Manolo

Google and the warmists, but no dissenting opinion, please.

Google Wades Into Global Warming Debate

Google is diving headfirst into the climate-change debate with a “21 Club” of hand-picked experts that the search engine giant hopes will drive the conversation — and guide investments — in climate change.

But it’s a discussion that even the club’s members say is meant to be one-sided.

“If Google included people who challenged that debate, they would be wrong to do so,” said Matthew Nisbet, an associate professor for the School of Communication at American University and one of the 21 Google Science Communication Fellows.

“As to whether climate change is happening, humans are a cause and it is a problem — there is no scientific debate over that,” Nisbet said.
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April 6, 2011 7:28am
Manolo

Crap spending of the worst kind, and a national joke.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4852407/Govt-to-fund-2m-giant-plastic-waka

Govt to fund $2m giant plastic waka

Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples is defending Government funding of a $2 million giant plastic waka for an Auckland hapu.
Ngati Whatua o Orakei is getting $1.8m of taxpayers’ money to create the giant waka as part of the city’s Rugby World Cup celebrations.

The canoe will be 60 metres long and almost 15 metres high, Radio New Zealand reported.

The hapu will contribute $100,000 for the project, which was estimated to cost $1,988,000, and will then own it after it is built.

The waka would be used to promote “brand Maori” during the Rugby World Cup and other international events, hapu trustee Ngarimu Blair said.
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