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All_on_Red

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April 27, 2011 7:55am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

“… at 10.28pm, a magnitude-4.5 earthquake centred 40km southeast of Waipukurau rattled Hawke’s Bay.”

I know Ken Ring is in hiding after his comments, but has anyone ever considered whether some earthquakes are related to flooding and how much extra weight of water is on the land in some cases?
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April 27, 2011 7:58am
Manolo

The Huruld interviews some Epsom voters:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10721702

“Both men are the same”
“Hide has been a joke”
“Orewa speech worrying”
“Faith gone”
“Critical of super city”
“Banks a Christian man”
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April 27, 2011 8:03am
ciaron

Did an inspection inside the cordon yesterday. Very sobering.
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April 27, 2011 8:07am
wreck1080

The greens dropped a pamphlet in my letterbox on easter monday.

It is a real joke – it basically says vote us to save the trees.

No mention of the greens socialist policies.

And if the greens are for the ‘working people’, then why are they getting their people to work on Easter Monday?
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April 27, 2011 8:08am
Michaels

When are the police going to charge or drop Hughes? Been a long time with nothing happening.
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April 27, 2011 8:11am
magic bullet

Why must John Key’s response to the greatest issues facing industrial civilisation, be to stick his head in the sand (peak oil – leave it to the market) or offer meaningless platitudes (AGW – we’ll do something about it in 30 years). It’s just not good enough. Within 3 years, if we aren’t there already, we are going in to a long-term energy price crunch, which will kill economic growth. This will mean fundamental changes to society and politics here and around the world. Where is the public debate about it. I have no doubt what so ever that the Nats have a set of contingency plans that we aren’t being told about. Even the US Military and the International Energy Agency are saying that peak oil is a reality, so Key will be well aware of the issues. One does worry, with National’s penchant for authoritarian legislation, destroying civil liberties and human rights, that the response to the inevitable social calamity will be one of repression, plus good old conservative divide and rule. New Zealand’s jurnos are giving Key a free pass on this, and are helping Key deliver us into a quagmire. Unfortunately, it will not be Key and the journos who pay the price for our lack of action.
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April 27, 2011 8:12am
Manolo

magic bullet (494) Says:
April 27th, 2011 at 8:12 am

What a cheerful read. This man is not only a prophet of doom, but an outstanding comedian.
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April 27, 2011 8:18am
magic bullet

It is the coward’s response to stick their head in the sand when faced with tough realities. I, with the US military, deal in real-world pragmatism. The ship of state is in trouble Manolo. Don’t just stand there with you finger in your pie-hole, you lolly-gagging dupe. Help us bail, or get the fuck off the boat.
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April 27, 2011 8:23am
Rodders

@wreck1080 – I guess the pamphlet didn’t mention their closeness to Hone either?

btw We should be due soon for another defence of the Greens from toad .
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April 27, 2011 8:24am
All_on_Red

“AGW – we’ll do something about it in 30 years”

Speaking of 30 years. Since 1979 to date, CO2 has risen from 300 parts per million to 390 parts per million. (source Mauna Loa Observatory)
Yet the worlds average global temperature is today the same as it was in 1979 (source RSS and UAH data)Up and down of course but essentially we are back to where we were 30 years ago.

So if CO2 has increased, why hasnt the temperature? Where is the warming?
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April 27, 2011 8:26am
alex Masterley

Real world pragmatisim.
That means the great south basin, the area being explored by Petrobas off East Cape, the Southland lignite field, open casting the Pike river coal field and the Mokau Coal field, and nuclear power.
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April 27, 2011 8:31am
Murray

I see the Hatefield Hate Party is telling us that you whities have got nothing to fear from us eh bro.

Newsflash John, we’ve never been afraid of you, we just think you’re a racist asshole. Theres a difference.
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April 27, 2011 8:31am
magic bullet

AOR – reality, from the smallest sub-atomic particle, to the largest of super-clusters, operates according to inter-dependant oscillating cycles. We don’t live in a linear universe. In all natural systems there are cogs within wheels. There’s the solar-flare cycle (which is due to start heating us up again soon, and the non-linear feedback loop of atmospheric water. You just don’t seem to understand the realities at play here.
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April 27, 2011 8:36am
All_on_Red

If we are to move away from oil then we need electricity- lots of it.
We will never be nuclear so our choices are either coal or hydro.

Happy to lose another river valley are you Magic Bullet?
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April 27, 2011 8:36am
nasska

magic bullet @ 8.12am

Suppose that your conjecture happened to be proved right & the effects of peak oil were closer than originally thought. I, & I suspect a majority of New Zealanders, will not be after JK’s blood nor that of the National or even past Labour governments.

Instead we will be looking for the hides of the wretched conservationists & the Greens. It is them & them alone who over the past three decades have opposed every effort made to make NZ self sufficient in energy needs. Their ceaseless brainwashing of children & the uneducated unwashed has created a climate where it is political suicide to make the hard decisions needed.

We will be the only nation on earth to sit cold & hungry above vast quantities of coal, oil & natural gas because of a pack of Luddites deeming a few snails to be of greater value than their fellow citizens.
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April 27, 2011 8:37am
gravedodger

Do the idiot glove puppets of the opposition(sic) and the equally idiotic and shallow MSM who were shrilling about a working manager of NZ inc using a Helicopter owned and operated by a wholly owned subsidiary to travel between Hamilton and Auckland, have any meaningful comment or analysis of the number of Journalists and “media stars” who have traveled to the other side of the world to cover a wedding between a man who may never have any constitutional or citizenship links to NZ and an almost unknown woman from provincial England in a big church in London. An event that will be reported and analysed to the nth degree by many locals and available for transmission for very minimal cost.
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April 27, 2011 8:38am
Rodders

mb @8.23am – “Don’t just stand there with you finger in your pie-hole, you lolly-gagging dupe”

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April 27, 2011 8:39am
All_on_Red

“the non-linear feedback loop of atmospheric water. ‘

The feedback from water vapour to the extent of 3 to 1 (to create the 2-3 degrees extra warming)has yet to be observed.We all know CO2 is a greenhouse gas and creates warming (.6 to 1.2)but the amplification and forcing from water vapour is not happening- except in computer models of course..
YOU dont understand the science
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April 27, 2011 8:40am
Pete George

The greens dropped a pamphlet in my letterbox on easter monday.

It is a real joke – it basically says vote us to save the trees.

Noting the irony.
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April 27, 2011 8:45am
iMP

Ciaron, re inspection. Me too. It’s the smell that gets me and the eeriness. Not Chch at all.
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April 27, 2011 8:50am
Sofia

Perusing items on whoar.co.nz – yes, one or two people do find it an interesting news / information redation for something different – there is …

One Surprising Reason People May Believe Bizarre Conspiracy Theories
People who see dark conspiracies everywhere are offering some interesting information — about themselves.
– http://www.alternet.org/culture/150730/one_surprising_reason_people_may_believe_bizarre_conspiracy_theories/

“… These studies suggest that people who have more lax personal morality may endorse conspiracy theories to a greater extent because they are, on average, more willing to participate in the conspiracies themselves.”
… The reasons people persist in believing conspiracy theories — even when there is overwhelming evidence debunking them — have long been debated by psychologists. One credible theory contends convincing ourselves of conspiracies allows us to avoid acknowledging the terrifying arbitrariness of life
… In some cases, they argue, belief in conspiracies is a matter of psychological projection — that is, the tendency to apply one’s own attitude to others.
“We do not argue that projection alone explains why people believe in conspiracy theories,” the researchers caution, but these findings point to a potent psychological mechanism that helps explain why some rumors refuse to die.
The theme of the conspiratorially-minded television series The X-Files was “trust no one.” Perhaps it should be amended to read: “Trust no one — especially devoted fans of The X-Files.”
– Tom Jacobs

Maybe I gave this item undue consideration, because as I read it, Winston Peters was on the radio propounding his theory on Brash’s [therefore National’s sneaky] attempt to take over ACT
QED
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April 27, 2011 8:50am
magic bullet

Nasska – so your response to the issue of non-renewable energy depletion is to burn it faster? You think energy-starved behemoths like China and the US are just going to stand by and let us keep all our under-ground goodies to ourselves? We will be leaving them underground. If not, we will be selling them on the international market for cheap, or we will face having them taken off us. Our primary energy future lies in geothermal technology and hydro electric. Our infrastructure needs to be re-designed with this in mind.
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April 27, 2011 8:51am
Inventory2

If I may be so bold; isn’t it a bit COLD today to be debating Global Warming?
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April 27, 2011 8:55am
magic bullet

Too continue …… Massive investment in such infrastructure needed to start 5 years ago. We are quickly sinking into a hopeless situation, where the energy recession completely dries up investment capital, making it much harder to secure our energy future.
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April 27, 2011 8:56am
Ryan Sproull

If I may be so bold; isn’t it a bit COLD today to be debating Global Warming?

Only if John Key’s a bit rich to be discussing recessions.
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April 27, 2011 9:00am
Megatron

Here we go again…
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4931112/Baby-girl-critically-hurt
This time a 6 month old baby girl critically hurt in Ngaruawahia..poor kid.
Now folks…lets guess the colour of this little girl?
What is it about these people that make them act like savages?..Is it the white mans fault?… Have we torn them away from their cultural heritage which obviously includes baby bashing.
FFS!
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April 27, 2011 9:03am
ciaron

@iMP; It’s the vacant lots you walk past, and struggle to recall what was there. I think most people will be very shocked when its all open again.

btw, do you have the feeling that it will never completely open again?
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April 27, 2011 9:03am
Viking2

Majic.
Question. What evidence do you have that the energy is not renewable?
Seems we have more oil now than before and there is a theory around that suggests the earth is continually making more oil.
Not implausable I would have thought.

Personally I would be more concerned about oxygen depleteion which goes hand in hand with increasing CO2.
Thgat was the original green argument for saving forests which seems to have morphed into taxation via things like the ETS using the global warming scam.
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April 27, 2011 9:04am
magic bullet

AOR – you’re missing out the solar flare cycle. It has been at a low point for a few years now. You need to catch up on the debate.
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April 27, 2011 9:05am
dime

manolo – there was a clip on the herald site where they asked locals about ACT! brash v hide etc

One guy goes – well brash didnt do a very good job when he was prime minister did he! BAHAHA
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April 27, 2011 9:06am
Manolo

The “I’m offended” game continues. The delicate creatures are so precious!

TVNZ says a newsreader’s use of the term “fag” while discussing equestrian rider Mark Todd’s personal life was unintentional and not used to offend. But members of the gay community said they found presenter Peter Williams’ remark during the Breakfast show offensive – whether it was intentional or not.

While commenting on Todd’s win in the Badminton Horse Trials, Williams said: “Some of Mark Todd’s personal habits frankly don’t lend to being … he’s had the odd fag over the years, hasn’t he?”

Co-newsreader Corin Dann, giggling, asked: “What did you just say?”
Williams replied: “Cigarette, I meant.”

TVNZ spokeswoman Megan Richards said the comment from Williams and any innuendo was accidental and not malicious.
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April 27, 2011 9:09am
magic bullet

Viking:

“What evidence do you have that the energy is not renewable?”

FFS! We were talking about friggin hydrocarbons. These are a finite resource at our current rate of consumption, unless you subscribe to abiotic oil theory, which is about as sane as the idea that global warming is a mass climate-scientist conspiracy.
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April 27, 2011 9:11am
nasska

magic bullet @ 8.51am

Your second sentence had me agreeing with you. Fortunately you came to my rescue & reverted to form for the rest of the comment.

What difference if we use it in the near future or dig it up & utilise it now if as you acknowledge it is likely to be taken from us by military or economic invasion? Extending the hypothesis the more we use now the less open we are to takeover later.

The Greens will not let us dam rivers so where is the extra hydro capacity coming from? More geothermal utilisation will put our tourism industry at risk i.e. no geysers or mudpools.

If anything will keep the world operational it will be new technology. The problem is that we have to stay alive until it is developed.
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April 27, 2011 9:11am
Longknives

Yes Megatron it’s clearly the fault of the evil White Colonials. But don’t worry, you can be absolved of your blood guilt through financial compensation…. That 600 million-odd the taxpayer is going to pump into ‘saving’ Te Reo will surely stop such horrific things from happening again.
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April 27, 2011 9:12am
Megatron

“TVNZ says a newsreader’s use of the term “fag” while discussing equestrian rider Mark Todd’s personal life was unintentional and not used to offend”

Peter Williams supposed accidental slip is, in my opinion, more offensive than Paul Henry’s Sheila Dikshit comment.
Will the gay community put pressure on TVNZ to dismiss Peter Williams?
This will be interesting to watch.
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April 27, 2011 9:18am
magic bullet

nass

“Extending the hypothesis the more we use now the less open we are to takeover later”

oh – yeah ‘cos that’s real practical given we will have to pay for it all in carbon offset costs any how. Time to start looking forward rather than backward. If we do become some kind of vassal state, we are truly screwed in any case.

Btw – it would take 20 years for us to make any sort of meaningful dent in our dirty lignite reserves – too late. Maybe that’s why Brownlee called coal “sexy”? he likes it dirty.
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April 27, 2011 9:21am
wreck1080

@petegeorge:

The irony is, that the greens are a foremost a socialist party. They use their green credentials as a trojan horse to sneak their socialist policy bombs into the halls of power.
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April 27, 2011 9:25am
kaya

Sofia – That’s an interesting aspect on conspiracy theories. Philu is like PennyB, there are often gems tucked amongst the fool’s gold but it can be tiresome digging for them.

Re “conspiracy theories”, too many people on Kiwiblog (and elsewhere) apply the label wrongly. People who, because they can’t cope with, don’t like, disapprove of, or fear a certain scenario – deal with it by dismissing it as a “conspiracy theory”‘ At the same time the person writing about that scenario is denigrated, usually as a tin foil hat wearing nut job. Rarely (if ever) is the actual scenario itself debated let alone disproved with evidence to support this approach.

Here is an accurate definition of a Conspiracy Theory:

Conspiracy theory was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.

This tactic of ad hominem proves nothing and often adds merit to the opposite viewpoint. I believe if you can’t mount a decent argument against a viewpoint best not to comment at all.
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April 27, 2011 9:32am
Monique Watson

Thorium Reactors. Yup yup.
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April 27, 2011 9:35am
nasska

magic bullet @ 9.21am

…”we will have to pay for it all in carbon offset costs any how.”…..

I’ve got an idea…..why don’t we withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol & consign the hairbrained ETS scheme to the global rubbish bin where it belongs.

That way WE get to use or be paid for what is ours & not go into receivership as a nation. For all we know someone may appear out of the desert & give the Greens & their ilk the commonsense to realise that the same amount of pollution & CO2 is released whether the coal or oil is burnt in Pittsburgh, Shanghai or Meremere.
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April 27, 2011 9:37am
Sofia

“Peter Williams supposed accidental slip is, in my opinion, more offensive than Paul Henry’s Sheila Dikshit comment.”

Worse than this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gHGqy5o0VQ – really ?
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April 27, 2011 9:43am
kaya

megatron and longknives – re the baby getting bashed down the line, do you have some inside information about the race of the child involved or are you just assuming because of the statistics? If it is based on assumption then yours is the sort of attutude that will keep people like Hone Harewira in our faces for many years to come. If you have some information why don’t you share it with the rest of the world?
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April 27, 2011 9:46am
Mary Rose

Sofia – yeah, interesting ideas.

>One credible theory contends convincing ourselves of conspiracies allows us to avoid acknowledging the terrifying arbitrariness of life

Sometimes bad things happen. Even to nice people. This leaves everyone else feeling helpless.
We (humans generally) like to feel in control. Like to feel a sense of order.
I guess for some, imagining it’s all been organised by whoever restores that sense of there being order and control

>the tendency to apply one’s own attitude to others.

Plenty of people do that, simply because they lack the ability to see things from anyone else’s pov but their own.

But would the conspiracy theorists who post on Kiwiblog be willing to blow up the Twin Towers (as it were) themselves? Bit of a stretch, that!

My (non-expert) theory is a lot of conspiracy theorists just have over-active imaginations, watch too many movies, and find real life too dull.

Kaya >Rarely (if ever) is the actual scenario itself debated

The trouble is that some posters take a scatter-gun approach and seem to see conspiracies everywhere. And rehash old ones that can be easily discredited – often because there is simply no motive that makes any sense.
If they do then uncover actual malpractice, the rest of the world thinks they are crying wolf again.

>This tactic of ad hominem proves nothing and often adds merit to the opposite viewpoint. I believe if you can’t mount a decent argument against a viewpoint best not to comment at all.

Maybe you could frame that for all bloggers 😉
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April 27, 2011 9:46am
Pete George

“Peter Williams supposed accidental slip is, in my opinion, more offensive than Paul Henry’s Sheila Dikshit comment.”

It is nowhere near it. The fag comment seems like an indavertent use of a single word that happens to have two meanings that could apply to the person being discussed, and Williams immediately clarified which meaning he meant.

Henry went on and on and on labouring on and laughing at an offensive joke.
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April 27, 2011 9:50am
Ryan Sproull

It is nowhere near it. The fag comment seems like an indavertent use of a single word that happens to have two meanings that could apply to the person being discussed, and Williams immediately clarified which meaning he meant.

Nah, he knew what joke he was making. The clarification was part of the same joke. Personally, I don’t think the use of the term “fag” is the problematic part. Rather, it’s the assumption that there’s something hilarious about drawing attention to his sexual orientation. A similar statement that a sportsman whose sex life was characterised by nothing other than his heterosexuality “enjoys a sweet tart on occasion” and then clarifying “I meant from the bakery” wouldn’t occur to anyone as a joke.

Henry went on and on and on labouring on and laughing at an offensive joke.

Yes, Henry’s Dikshit thing demonstrated immaturity and stupidity to which Peter Williams could only ever hope to aspire.
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April 27, 2011 9:58am
starboard

From Murial Newman…greedy bastards..where does it end..

“The demands by the Maori elite are as relentless as a rising tide.

Not content with securing the future ownership of the public’s foreshore and seabed – including invaluable mineral resources which should belong to all New Zealanders, not privatised to corporate iwi – Maori leaders are now coming back for more. This time they want $600 million of taxpayers’ money for iwi to pay for something they should arguably be doing for themselves – teaching their children the Maori language.[1]

The amount of funding being demanded is equivalent to the total combined budgets of the entire Vote for Customs, Agriculture and Fisheries, Justice, and Senior Citizens. It comes at a time when the National Party claims to be tightening its belt and cutting back on government spending”
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April 27, 2011 10:10am
Megatron

Aplogies Kaya..I didnt mean to offend but it upsets me to see it continually happening to these innocent babies..and most of them are maori..I’m not being racist..I care.
It will be in the news shortly along with the triple barrelled silly name and you will see I am right.
I hope I am wrong as it is so sad..
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April 27, 2011 10:10am
All_on_Red

“you’re missing out the solar flare cycle. It has been at a low point for a few years now.”

Yes am aware that solar activity is low and has been for years- Maunder Minimum coming perhaps?- Brrrr. But according to the IPCC and the “models” that doesnt/shouldnt affect the theory of CO2 and water vapour reacting 3:1 according to all the warmist scientists. Many of whom poo pooed the effect of the sun. Next you will tell me that clouds have something to do with it! Yet clouds arent included in the Global Climate Scenarios? Neither is solar activity?
Oh dear, perhaps the science isnt settled then.
You cant have it both ways but keep wriggling.
You still havent answered the question, CO2 is up but temps arent-where is the warming?
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April 27, 2011 10:12am
starboard

no need to apologise Megatron..your not at The Standard. What you say is pretty well on the money. I wager a fifty you are correct.
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April 27, 2011 10:13am
Komata

I note with interest (but no surprise) that Labour is now attacking the government for NOT following-through with its promised ‘tax increase’ on petrol, claiming that by not doing so the Nats’ are ‘breaking an election promise’ and ‘bribing the public’ in an election year (which of course labour has never done, adn would never even give consideration to. . .)

That the petrol-tax has been deferred because of the prevailing poor economic climate is of course totally irrelevant.

The Labour attack (and their implied postion IN SUPPORT OF EXTRA TAXATION ) does of course create a very interesting possibility, namely that t is now possible (and reasonable) to ask, in all genuineness, why Labour advocates INCREASED TAXATION for the country.

That this statemetn has been made in an election year does of course present all sorts of opportunities, which no doubt those who are so-inclined will be taking up.

Once again, an own goal – pity that the MSM probably won’t give it the attention it deserves.

(P.S: Methinks a Tui billboard is imminent – anyone care to come up with the wording?)
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April 27, 2011 10:14am
Longknives

Kaya- I won’t apologise. I don’t care if I am offending your sensibilities. It is well documented that Maori have one of the most appalling child abuse rates in the world and Maori Babies are statistically far,far more likely to be bashed to death than those from other cultures. I find that statistic repugnant and if even daring to point that out makes me some kind of ‘evil racist’ then this country is in far more trouble than I first suspected.
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April 27, 2011 10:20am
starboard

agree. Maori kill their offspring in unprecedented numbers. If the apologists for the murderous scumbags are offended by that fact..well tough titties. W-a-k-e u-p .
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April 27, 2011 10:25am
TripeWryter

I don’t think I’ve used the word ‘fag’ or ‘faggot’ since, as a third-former, I was one. (No, there was no hanky-panky).

Nor have I used the word ‘fag’ or ‘faggot’ to describe a homosexual male for about 25 years.

But I do question the unctious outrage of Jay Bennie, whom The New Zealand Herald must have scurried to for the required ‘I am OUTRAGED!!!’ after Williams and Dann’s comments on TV this morning.

What I am getting at is the use of the word ‘fag’ and ‘faggot’ I have heard gays in recent years use towards each other, especially as expressions of loathing and contempt.

It’s a bit like Maoris who call other Maoris ‘nigger’.

Somehow, they can’t really complain if people say these words.
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April 27, 2011 10:33am
Christopher Thomson

In Christchurch, I had to drive across town yesterday and went via St Asaph Street. My first time in that close since February.

The buildings that are still smashed and the gaps where others are missing was breath-stopping. So much destruction.

Until everyone gets that close they won’t realise just how much damage has been wrought.
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April 27, 2011 10:36am
wreck1080

@komata:

Labours goal is to have the rich pricks (those earning over 60k a year) pay all the tax.

So, tax rises are OK, as long as it only affects rich pricks.

Also, Labour instituted the carbon tax. They are basically criticising themselves if anything.
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April 27, 2011 10:40am
ciaron

It’s a bit like Maoris who call other Maoris ‘nigger’.

It’s not what you say, it’s the unintended interpretations of the listner that count.
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April 27, 2011 10:46am
Komata

Kaya

If, as is to be reasonably suspected , the child in Ngaruawahia IS Maori, then surely there is a public duty to say so – not to deride or ridicule, but to bring the whole stinking mess out into the open SO THAT THEIR OWN PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH THE ISSUE and not hide behind platitudes and blame all and everyone else but themselves?

despite their protestations to the contrary, Maori(especially those of the male gender) ARE a by nature violent society, (it’s in their genes – carefully honed over the last 4-500 years) and all the (European) money in the world (and there has been a lot of it over the years) is not going to change this one iota. Maori have to help themslves, and the first step has to be to stop blaming everyone else but themselves and admit that there is a problem and take steps to do something about it.

Yet have you noticed something strange: In all the past ‘unfortunate incidents’ where Maori children have been killed ‘by whanau’ , MAORI leaders have very little to say about that sort of carry-on, and if THEY don’t say and do anything to ameliorate teh problem, then how can anyone of their own believe that it is NOT alright to continue as they are. NO leadership, NO condemnation, NO inclination : the status quo.

Unfortunately, this isn’t going to change anytime soon – blaming ‘Whitey’ is SO much easier than taking realistic steps towards solving the problem.

One has to wonder though, exactly how many more helpless children of Maori-extraction will be killed before Maori as a bloc finally say ‘enough’ and start to do something for themselves – by themselves.

I suspect (sadly) it will be quite a few more, and that it will go on, and on, and on . .
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April 27, 2011 10:46am
Megatron

Peter Williams is an experienced broadcaster.
These sorts of comments and double entendres are inappropriate and reflect negatively on TVNZ.
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April 27, 2011 10:48am
lofty

# Monique Watson (31) Says:
April 27th, 2011 at 9:35 am

Thorium Reactors. Yup yup.

Thorium Reactor yup yup for me too, one for each street.
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April 27, 2011 10:54am
Megatron

Komata…re the Maori violence issue….I agree with what you say.
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April 27, 2011 11:11am
voice of reason

“GayNZ.com spokesman Jay Bennie, WHO HAD NOT SEEN THE Breakfast coverage, said the claim that the comment was unintentional was disingenuous.

“I would say bullshit to the fact that he was meant to be referring to a cigarette.

“My reading of it is that maybe that Peter Williams was not intending to hurt, but it doesn’t work that way. Fag is short for faggot – it is used to denigrate, in every connotation….”

Typical – says it all doesnt it. He hadn’t even seen the programme and yet still offers a comment. WHAT A BITCH!
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April 27, 2011 11:31am
magic bullet

AOR:

“But according to the IPCC and the “models” that doesnt/shouldnt affect the theory of CO2 and water vapour reacting 3:1 according to all the warmist scientists. ”

Yep – compounding and interdependent non-linear feedback loops are hard to predict in a very precise manner. So it will be difficult to say the year, or even the decade, when AGW will start to become a real problem. It could be in 5 years, it could be in 25. But there is enough confidence in the precision of the models to warrant serious action immediately. Don’t you think this is a more rational explanation than the idea that most of the climate scientists on the planet being in on some misanthropic conspiracy?
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April 27, 2011 11:33am
Pete George

A fag is also a term used to denigrate a cancer stick. I think Todd is (or was) a smoker so it could easily apply to him under that meaning.
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April 27, 2011 11:33am
magic bullet

Nasaka

“I’ve got an idea…..why don’t we withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol & consign the hairbrained ETS scheme to the global rubbish bin where it belongs.”

I think you just have your head in the clouds over AGW. There is no conspiracy among the vast majority of climate scientists in the world to fool the rest of us. That notion is plain nuts.
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April 27, 2011 11:37am
ciaron

Faggot is also a unit of measure
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April 27, 2011 11:39am
kaya

Megatron, Starboard, Longknives, Komata – you miss my point completely, I’m not apologising for anyone. I agree it is statistically likely to be a Maori family involved (particularly with the demographic of the area). However, until it is proven to be true, any comments about this particular case can be justifiably called redneck/racist.
All you do is create propaganda for the Hone Harawiras of the country to help push their own racist agendas. I personally don’t think this is a good idea. Why give them oxygen?

If you want to have a separate debate about the high proportion of Maori amongst child abuse statistics in general, that’s a differnet thing altogether.
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April 27, 2011 11:45am
KiwiGreg

“SO THAT THEIR OWN PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH THE ISSUE”

We are all New Zealanders.
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April 27, 2011 11:46am
ciaron

KiwiGreg, offer them some solutions and see what response you get.
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April 27, 2011 11:51am
Longknives

KiwiGreg- Are we “all New Zealanders”??
Sharples, Turia and co have been advocating and implementing seperate ‘Maori only’ Justice, Health and Education systems for many years now. Turia is on record as saying that Pakehas are nothing more than “visitors to this country”. Therefore, (in the eyes of our current Government) as I am clearly some kind of economy-class ‘tourist’ with no ties or affiliations to this country why should Maori Child abuse be my problem??
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April 27, 2011 12:06pm
Komata

KG

Re: ‘We are all New Zealanders’

If only!!!

‘Maori solutions to Maori problems and don’t you Pakeha come telling us what to do. We’ll take your money (the more the better) we’ll abuse the living daylights out of you, demand that you house and feed us, and educate our children but don’t you EVER tell us how we are to run our culture’ etc, etc, etc.

And BTW, ‘you are only visitors – we were here first – never, ever, forget that you @!*!* !!!!!!

Sorry to disembue you old chap, but that tends to be the standard reaction. Charon is so right.

Sad isn’t it?
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April 27, 2011 12:13pm
nasska

magic bullet @ 11.37am

As far as “the science is settled” argument goes you & I are as polar opposites. We could wear out a keyboard apiece & still not agree so I see no point in debating the issue.

What I would like to read is your justification of why we should sacrifice our economy & probably eventually our sovereignty at the altar of the emissions trading scheme. If everyone else was racing to put the feelgood policy in place then okay. At least we would all be in the same boat.

Instead we have become the vanguard of the fruitloops. Agreed other nations are still having talkfests on the subject but we are the only fools who have actually committed to action coincidentally at a time of the economic cycle when we can least afford it. I’m not certain that we can afford to join the pack let alone lead it.
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April 27, 2011 12:27pm
Viking2

# ciaron (572) Says:
April 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am

It’s a bit like Maoris who call other Maoris ‘nigger’.

It’s not what you say, it’s the unintended interpretations of the listner that count.

Just like certain tribes that call others “bush pigs”

Very common in central NZ. to refer to Nritherners that way. No luv lost 100 years on.
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April 27, 2011 12:30pm
Viking2

The BOP managed to remove a certain Green trouble(trough) user from the Enviroment BOP in the last elections and now you Aucklanders will be taking over paymentand employmentforthe lady.
You are welcome.
Enjoy the cost.

Former Bay of Plenty Regional Councillor Karen Summerhays is leaving Tauranga to take up a job with the Auckland Council.

She leaves the city on April 30 and starts her new job with the super city council on May 2.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/12680-summerhays-gets-super-city-role.html

Well youdid give us that tired TV man Sherry so we reckon its a fair tade.
Oh and it also allows you another Green candidate for Govt.
Aren’t you lucky this week.
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April 27, 2011 12:35pm
ciaron

Agreed. Someone can even say they mean something in a caring way, and yet come across as a sanctimonious buffoon.
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April 27, 2011 12:37pm
dime

someone said Fag on the news? my goodness!

that will lead to an increase in gay teen suicide!

some of these princesses need to get over themselves. part of being accepted in society is having society take the piss out of you. deal with it
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April 27, 2011 1:13pm
Manolo

Iranian fundamentalists trying to control the internet:

Iranian authorities have reportedly announced they intend to launch an Islamic Internet to counter the influence of the Western-dominated World Wide Web, a move slammed as “repressive” by the National Iranian American Council.

Ali Aqamohammadi, head of economic affairs for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, announced the plans during an interview this month with state news agency IRNA.

“Iran will soon create an Internet that conforms to Islamic principles, to improve its communication and trade links with the world,” Aqamohammadi said. “We can describe it as a genuinely ‘halal’ network aimed at Muslims on an ethical and moral level. The aim of this network is to increase Iran and the Farsi language’s presence in what has become the most important source of international communication.”
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April 27, 2011 2:02pm
big bruv

Winston Hide is having a press conference at 3pm.
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April 27, 2011 2:13pm
Pete George

A spokesperson for Mr Hide said speculation on Mr Hide’s imminent resignation were baseless rumours, as were media reports of an emergency caucus meeting.

“No, he is not resigning. There is no caucus meeting, there is no press conference at 3pm.”

But the way this saga is playing out anything could happen in 25 minutes.
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April 27, 2011 2:35pm
adze

@kaya

I don’t disagree with your central point, though the term “redneck” is also a racial epithet (in that it is only ever applied to white people; despite the original meaning being descriptive of only to a subset of people in rural areas of the Southern states in the US). It makes about as much sense to call a Maori person “nigger” as it does to call a NZ pakeha “redneck”.
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April 27, 2011 5:00pm
jaba

Manawatu the next area to have its spelling corrected.
No Right Turn has called those who opposed the H in Wanganui, me, rednecks which is very irritating. He seems to suggest all those opposed were following the orders of Mlaws .. NRT is a tosser.
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April 27, 2011 5:12pm
kaya

adze – fair enough.
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April 27, 2011 5:34pm
joana

Anyone else sick of the Act circus? Yee Gads , so boring.
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April 27, 2011 6:11pm
tristanb

Re: Mark Todd.

In fairness to gay people, I doubt anyone would have commented if the Herald didn’t seek an opinion and ask someone from a website who himself thrives on publicity.

It’s like when Hell Pizza has a new ad. The news agencies ask every church leader in Auckland until they get a comment from some extremist. It’s win-win-win: publicity for the pizza company, an easy and controversial story (with “balance”!) for the paper, and some praise/increased tithing for the religious leader for defending God.

Mark Todd is entitled to lead a cocaine-snorting, orgying lifestyle if he wants. None of our business. I’m sure he can take a “fag” joke or two! At least he’s not raping women like the half of the NRL!
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April 27, 2011 6:41pm
Johnboy

Yeah joana.

I’m starting to miss Penny Bright. 🙂
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April 27, 2011 7:00pm
Johnboy

Quite right tristanb.

I was up the hill today rolling up a couple of faggots for burning on the fire later on and when I got back I saw that poor old Peter Williams was being attacked by the poofters for suggesting that Mark Todd had smoked a couple of cigarettes once!

Some people have no self control!

It reminds me of an old friend called Gaye.

After her name got hijacked by the funny blokes she had to start introducing herself by saying.

“Hi, I’m Gaye, with an e”.

Bloody unfair how these minorities get to take over the world! 🙂

ps: I blame our previous PM who only encouraged them. 🙂
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April 27, 2011 7:19pm
Nookin

How many people have TVNZ packed off to London? Seems bloody near everyone is there! I hope that they are all at the YMCA and don’t come back bitching about a 100 km ride in the arse end of an army workhorse. Hypocrites.
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April 27, 2011 7:25pm
reid

For those interested in Fukushima.
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April 27, 2011 7:36pm
starboard

Wheres Phil Ure. I miss him.
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April 27, 2011 7:40pm
starboard

Why are faggots so generous?

Because they don’t know how to be tight arsed!
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April 27, 2011 7:42pm
starboard

..or this one..

A fag goes into a doctor’s surgery convinced that he is pregnant.
“How could you possibly be pregnant?” asked the doctor, “Who is the father?”
“What do you think I have?” asked the queer, “Eyes in the back of my head?”
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April 27, 2011 7:48pm
Johnboy

“Wheres Phil Ure. I miss him.”

Tut tut starboard. Not enough practice on the shooting range I suspect. 🙂
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April 27, 2011 7:54pm
Yvette

Johnboy – “I blame our previous PM who only encouraged them”

But no, it was the New Zealand Aids Foundation – theory: change the entire country’s attitude so homosexuals would feel gay and happy about seeking help.
Actuality: just change the entire country’s attitude to homosexuals.
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April 27, 2011 8:10pm
Johnboy

Bonsoir Yvette.

As you say. “Nowt as queer as folk”. 🙂
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April 27, 2011 8:21pm
nasska

There was an earthquake at the Christian Brothers’ monastery and it was
levelled. All fifty brothers were transported to heaven at the one time.

At the Pearly Gates, St Peter said, “Let’s go through the entry test as a
group. Now, first question. How many of you have played around with
each other or with little boys?”

Forty-nine hands went up.

“Right!” said St Peter. “You forty-nine go down to Purgatory.
Oh, and take that deaf bastard with you!”
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April 27, 2011 8:22pm
starboard

Three nuns in church on a hot day decide to remove their robes because of the heat. Not an unusual habit on a hot day. So about a half hour later, the door bell rings while their robes are slumped over pews clear across the huge chapel.

They ask who it is. “The blind man,” a voice replies.

The three nuns decide to simply open the door because the man is blind. He walks in, looks at the nuns and says, “Nice tits! Where do you want me to install these blinds?”

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April 27, 2011 8:39pm
starboard

The Government spends $191 million each year flying MPs and civil servants domestically and internationally and is looking to trim the bill.

The Ministry of Economic Development, in tender documents, is asking the aviation industry for a better deal on air travel.

Every year the Government pays for state servants, including MPs, to fly 440 million air miles on domestic, trans-Tasman and international air travel.

The annual air travel bill covers 630,000 transactions, including 190,000 international travellers.
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April 27, 2011 8:45pm
Yvette

Bonsoir Johnboy.

Tourist to Aussie Outback farmer, with a merino under each arm: “Shearing?”
Farmer: “No, get your own.”
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April 27, 2011 8:46pm
Johnboy

How the hell did you know I was over in Queensland last week?

Jeeze. Spies are everywhere! 🙂
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April 27, 2011 8:54pm
nasska

A gay guy goes to see his Doctor, his doctor says “what can I do for you today?”
The gay guy replies, “my arsehole hurts like hell”.
“Right” says the doctor, “what I need you to do is go out tonight & drink 12 pints of lager,
then go and eat two vindaloo curries and then take twelve laxatives.
“Okay”, says the gay guy. “Will that stop the pain?”
“No”, says the doctor, “but it will teach you what your arse is made for!”
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