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immigant

You know that scene in “Shawshank Redemption” when he had to swim through the pipe filled with unspeakable filth and sewage to get to escape.
That is a lot like kiwiblog when Penny turns up. You have to scroll through pages of garbage before you get to the good bits, and just when you think you are in the clear, another massive turd floats to the surface and gently bobs on the water next to you as you frantically try to get away.
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April 24, 2011 6:18pm
hj

Paul G. Buchanan (225) Says:

The first statements from the PM and Broad were very prejudicial. Clark hinted at people making “napalm,”
….

I happened to talk to a top cop regarding operation 8 he said (that) “the public don’t know half of it!” he repeated that twice. He didn’t elaborate and I thought just about everything had been leaked. I’m inclined to think that our group are rather lonely in terms of ideological support however…..?
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April 24, 2011 6:19pm
RightNow

There are exceptions to every rule. One lefties seem to be currently overlooking in droves is ‘no publicity is bad publicity’.
They should remember in their case it is overridden by ‘It is better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it’.
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April 24, 2011 6:20pm
alex Masterley

Starboard@6.01
Bugger, I had forgotten about that.
There will be a massive clash of egos!
Look at me!, no look at me
GD will be toast!
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April 24, 2011 6:26pm
reid

I’m figuring alex and starboard that it will be like a matter-anti-matter collision and phil and Penny will both annhilate each other in a massive starburst of ellipses, solid lines, bylines, smiley faces, frowny faces, eventually sad faces and a huge amount of complete bullshit.

I’m convinced a single blog doesn’t have powerful enough servers to prevent this from happening but one thing that’s good is that we can just stand by and watch it so why would we want to stop it?

It’s surprising it’s never happened before. It’s basically because the universe cannot tolerate such massive mentalness in a single point in spacetime. It literally breaks the universe apart because it exceeds the design tolerance. About the only thing that does, frankly. Black holes, no problem, compared to this issue.

Only a few people in the world have this capacity – it should be interesting.
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April 24, 2011 6:37pm
Johnboy

Perhaps we should all be working towards the creation of a Large Farrarian Collider reid.

Where seemingly even articles that you cannot even imagine can coexist briefly before they self annihilate. 🙂
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April 24, 2011 6:42pm
alex Masterley

I’m just going to duck out for chips and dip. The beer is already in the fridge.
Then I have to build the blast or should that be bullshit shelter and install the sofa.
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April 24, 2011 6:47pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

“THE GOVERNMENT is being accused of hypocrisy for trying to stop Thailand introducing warning labels on alcoholic drinks, some imported from New Zealand.
As Kiwis continue to debate changes to the liquor industry, trade officials are trying to block similar reforms in Thailand.
A World Trade Organisation document obtained by the Sunday Star-Times shows New Zealand is one of seven members that “raised concerns” about the Thai government’s plans to require health advisory statements and pictures on alcoholic drinks.
New Zealand, Mexico, the European Union, Argentina, Switzerland, Australia and the US “argued labelling requirements created unnecessary obstacles to trade”.
– Sunday Star Times
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April 24, 2011 6:49pm
Johnboy

I can see it now.

Steinlager การดื่มเครื่องดื่มแอลกอฮอล์ไม่ดีต่อสุขภาพของคุณลดลง 🙂
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April 24, 2011 6:57pm
reid

Then I have to build the blast or should that be bullshit shelter and install the sofa.

Yes, let’s all build one of those.

Perhaps we should all be working towards the creation of a Large Farrarian Collider reid.

Exactly Johnboy. For a moment the scientific world will be spellbound. Farrar’s readership will be through the roof. I wonder if there’s a iPredict stock on that? I’ve already informed Geneva and they’re keeping a watching brief. What else should we do? (It’s a bit like A Man Called Intrepid at the mo, isn’t it.)
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April 24, 2011 7:05pm
Inventory2

Penny Bright said

Arguably, in my view, the only ‘fact’ that I ‘got wrong’ was my understanding that the Winston Peters /NZ first had repaid the $158,000 to the Starship Hospital, as per the scoop article that I provide

And therein lies the nub of the issue Penny. You were so emphatic that Peters had repaid the $158k that you blogged it in capitals; the internet equivalent of shouting from the rooftops. You were wrong. You were challenged about being wrong, and that was then you started to abuse me, accusing me amongst other things of being “intellectually lazy” and lacking “technical competence”

I make mistakes every day. When I do, I own up to them and apologise. That’s all I ask of you. I have no desire to pester the OAG when the staff there have far more important things to do. In all likelihhod, NZ First has not provided the OAG any details of the supposed donations in any event, otherwise they would have been published by now, and Peters would have used their publication as vindication of his position. But the simple fact that you ignore is that the money was not his to donate in the first place; it had been unlawfully received from the taxpayer, and ought to have been repaid to the taxpayer.

Right; rant over; back to the basketball.
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April 24, 2011 7:09pm
Johnboy

“What else should we do? (It’s a bit like A Man Called Intrepid at the mo, isn’t it.)”

I think we should have another drink reid.

I’ve never heard of a brew called Intrepid.

I’m having a Famous Grouse.

Cheers. 🙂
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April 24, 2011 7:14pm
Johnboy

Tut tut tut IV2.

You are reading and responding as opposed to glancing and consigning to the trash! 🙂
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April 24, 2011 7:16pm
nasska

A bitter disappointment. Being Easter weekend I thought the god botherers would have been out in force trying to save our souls. Always next year.
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April 24, 2011 8:17pm
Viking2

Here you go Penny.
Refute this irrefutable evidence that you campagn is really misdirected and this is the utopia you should actually be trying to achieve.
Debt free Local Govt.
Now there’s a cause worth pursuing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qFvo2qJOU&feature=player_embedded
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April 24, 2011 8:40pm
Viking2

Penny

Here’s another and theres more there for your edification.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jxED6zjyZo&feature=related
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April 24, 2011 8:45pm
publicwatchdog

# immigant (265) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

You know that scene in “Shawshank Redemption” when he had to swim through the pipe filled with unspeakable filth and sewage to get to escape.
That is a lot like kiwiblog when Penny turns up. You have to scroll through pages of garbage before you get to the good bits, and just when you think you are in the clear, another massive turd floats to the surface and gently bobs on the water next to you as you frantically try to get away.”
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Didn’t know you swam in sewers ‘immigant’?

Just ‘passing through’?

😉

Why on earth do you persist in reading what you consider to be pages of garbage?

Some boyz are just SO dumb.

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 24, 2011 8:54pm
publicwatchdog

# Viking2 (3,860) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

Here you go Penny.
Refute this irrefutable evidence that you campagn is really misdirected and this is the utopia you should actually be trying to achieve.
Debt free Local Govt.
Now there’s a cause worth pursuing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qFvo2qJOU&feature=player_embedded”
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Good on you Viking2.

If you think the cause is worth pursuing – OFF YOU GO in full pursuit!

DO keep me informed as to how you get on.

Best of luck!

😉

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wprdpress.com
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April 24, 2011 8:57pm
publicwatchdog

# Johnboy (4,600) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

No one of any taste at all READS your stuff Penny even if you underline it a lot.

We merely glance at it and consign it to the trash where it belongs. :)”

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That’s dead right Johnboy.

The politically sophisticated and discerning don’t read my stuff – they STUDY it carefully.

‘Keep your friends close and your enemies closer’ 😉

That sort of thing – probably a bit complicated for you to understand, you poor wee politically ignorant ‘Kiwiblog kiddie’?

😉

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 24, 2011 9:06pm
Nookin

I wonder if this has been the longest GD ever. It does make cross referencing difficult. I think that we need to flag long cut and paste references. They rarely add anything to the debate and can easily be linked. I am a bit worried that when the phool surfaces the site will look more like modern art than a blog-site. Given that we have an election coming up and the number of comments is like to increase some devotion to readibility would be most welcome
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April 24, 2011 9:09pm
publicwatchdog

# Inventory2 (6,135) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Penny Bright said

Arguably, in my view, the only ‘fact’ that I ‘got wrong’ was my understanding that the Winston Peters /NZ first had repaid the $158,000 to the Starship Hospital, as per the scoop article that I provide

And therein lies the nub of the issue Penny. You were so emphatic that Peters had repaid the $158k that you blogged it in capitals; the internet equivalent of shouting from the rooftops. You were wrong. You were challenged about being wrong, and that was then you started to abuse me, accusing me amongst other things of being “intellectually lazy” and lacking “technical competence”

I make mistakes every day. When I do, I own up to them and apologise. That’s all I ask of you. I have no desire to pester the OAG when the staff there have far more important things to do. In all likelihhod, NZ First has not provided the OAG any details of the supposed donations in any event, otherwise they would have been published by now, and Peters would have used their publication as vindication of his position. But the simple fact that you ignore is that the money was not his to donate in the first place; it had been unlawfully received from the taxpayer, and ought to have been repaid to the taxpayer.

Right; rant over; back to the basketball.”
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Oh gawd ‘Inventory2’ – and people think I’M boring???

(yawn……….)

Well, you dopey goat – I know know how to jam your buttons on full!

Who would have thought that the terms “intellectually lazy” and lacking “technical competence” would have provoked such a response?

No swearing, no personal abuse – just arguably apt comments in light of the circumstances.

😉

Let’s see if THAT provokes another ‘rave’?

Gosh – some of you folk are just SO predictable 😉

Enjoy your basketball ‘Inventory2’.

🙂

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 24, 2011 9:15pm
reid

Given that we have an election coming up and the number of comments is like to increase some devotion to readibility would be most welcome

Don’t worry Nookin, it’ll be over soon as per my 6:37 and then everyone will live happily ever after, except for Penny and phil, but I’ll try not to let that interfere with my happiness.
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April 24, 2011 9:23pm
Jacob Cohen

Penny, what are you doing? You were supposed to infiltrate and indoctrinate.
Like we talked about.
Not obfuscate, prevaricate, reiterate, attempt to humiliate, agitate or irritate.
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April 24, 2011 9:26pm
magic bullet

Like frogs in boiling water, they never felt the heat
‘cos butter’s made in kiwi-land, home to millions of dipped sheep
in pens all made of airwaves, they natter constantly
“how does he smile under so much stress? That nice man, Mr Key.”
I suppose his grin froze, flexing greenstone clothes, which glimmer in inclement weather,
poisoned by pride, so he needs no bride, it shows through his self-pleasure
so if banker is king, and Key’s the chief, of NZ Inc by-sea,
who bows down, when IMF comes round collecting rent moneys?
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April 24, 2011 9:26pm
Nookin

Actually Penny, I imagine that it wasn’t the abuse that riles IV2. It is your hypocrisy, your bloody arrogant refusal to admit you were wrong, the obsequious way in which you tried to wriggle your way around your fuckup and the transparent way you continually try to pump up your silly ego by denigrating others and saying how powerful and wonderful you are that tends to get up everyone’s funnel. There, I have said it in plain lingo so that you can now inflate your sense of self-importance ( misconceived as it is) and launch yourself into another vaccuous and supercilious diatribe. You are so disappointingly predicatble.
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April 24, 2011 9:33pm
reid

who bows down, when IMF comes round collecting rent moneys?

I don’t know mb, who does bow down? You? The workers? Who else? No-one? Do conservatives have to bow down, or just the workers? (Please don’t tell me it’s the conservatives, I’d hate that.)
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April 24, 2011 9:48pm
publicwatchdog

# Nookin (660) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

Actually Penny, I imagine that it wasn’t the abuse that riles IV2. It is your hypocrisy, your bloody arrogant refusal to admit you were wrong, the obsequious way in which you tried to wriggle your way around your fuckup and the transparent way you continually try to pump up your silly ego by denigrating others and saying how powerful and wonderful you are that tends to get up everyone’s funnel. There, I have said it in plain lingo so that you can now inflate your sense of self-importance ( misconceived as it is) and launch yourself into another vaccuous and supercilious diatribe. You are so disappointingly predicatble.”
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Oh Nookin – get a grip?

Particularly of your ‘spellcheck’?

If I can get such a snarly response from you – I must arguably be doing something right!

“You are so disappointingly predicatble.”

That maybe so – but at least I can spell ‘predictable’ 😉

Are you p*ssed Nookin?

One red wine too many perhaps?

Does it affect both your mood and your spelling?

😉
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“# Nookin (660) Says:
April 24th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

I wonder if this has been the longest GD ever. It does make cross referencing difficult. I think that we need to flag long cut and paste references. They rarely add anything to the debate and can easily be linked. I am a bit worried that when the phool surfaces the site will look more like modern art than a blog-site. Given that we have an election coming up and the number of comments is like to increase some devotion to readibility would be most welcome”
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Perhaps Nookin you might like to consider the use of spellcheck as part of your suggested ‘devotion to readability’?

And not posting comments if you are p*ssed?

(Meant of course in a caring and constructive, albeit ‘you start it and I will finish it’ sort of way? 😉

You are not a particularly quick learner are you Nookin.

Keep going…………..

Kind regards and best wishes.

🙂
Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 24, 2011 10:01pm
alex Masterley

Nookin, as I said somewhere else, the “W” word is the hardest one for anyone to say. PD seems to have a particular difficulty. If she could learn to use it she wouldn’t be treated as such a joke.
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April 24, 2011 10:04pm
magic bullet

Reid –

What are they so worried about conserving anyway? Is it to do with being retentive? So often a bundle of repressed humanity – wound up and channelled in to projects of self-aggrandisement. Don’t get me started on politically-active conservatives. ewww.
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April 24, 2011 10:10pm
reid

If I can get such a snarly response from you – I must arguably be doing something right!

That’s pretty fucking arguable Penny.
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April 24, 2011 10:14pm
Nookin

I don’t drink Penny and I don’t always have my reading glasses so sometimes my proof reading is not the best.

I made a constructive suggestion about posting but you simply could not help yourself turning it into a matter of derision. You are a troll Penny. You have no intention of making a positive contribution to this blog. You must suffer from an overwhelming sense of worthlessness to be so driven to inflate yourself. A tip, delivered in a caring and sensitive way of course: If you came up with an original thought and expressed it in a readable manner, without double-spacing, extensive cut and paste and a host of spurious credentials then someome might read them. Might being the operative word. Oh, another qualifying feature would have to be some discernible connection to reality.
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April 24, 2011 10:15pm
reid

What are they so worried about conserving anyway?

Why change the topic mb but OK, why do you think what Churchill said about conservatives and liberals when you are old and young, has stuck in people’s minds? It’s a truism. This is because a liberal is an idealist, as a young person is. A conservative is a realist, as an older person is.

One point about conservatives, is that like old people, they remember what it was like when they were young, so they have that liberal experience to draw upon.

One point about liberals is that if they remain as they age, they never get that exposure which is not a replacement of, it’s an addition to. So liberals are sort of half-human zombie-like creatures really and when you think about it, this is exactly how Phil actually behaves, isn’t it.
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April 24, 2011 10:19pm
magic bullet

reid – did you know that, as a percentage, more conservatives have Alzheimers than liberals do?
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April 24, 2011 10:29pm
reid

Since there appears to be some despair over how to deal with a potential and looming Penny and phil Kiwiblog assault, let me offer some reassurance.

In case anyone was wondering whether or not I was just blowing smoke in my 6:37, this is how I know when Penny and phil get together at the same point in spacetime, it will be like the real-world equivalent of crossing the beams except this time, it’s not a movie.

Basically, I have in my garage a semantic engine capable of analysing linguistic patterns, turning them into binary data then comparing that to a mathematical model I built that is basically the unified theory of the universe. The whole thing runs on biofuel so I know Penny and phil will be pleased about that.

One of the interesting things that turns out is the universe interacts at a quantum level with the level of mentalness present in any given point in spacetime. It appears the vibrational frequency of mentalness is very high, potentially exciting the universe beyond stable tolerance.

One of the things the engine measures is the subject’s level of mentalness relative to the universal tolerance. So your average person is between 0-2% of that tolerance so no problem there under normal events.

Problem with Penny and phil is, they both read off the scale. Their levels are 92.7% and 93.4% respectively. Clearly you can see with an almost 180% loading the universe’s wurzenflugels will just snap right off. It’s quite obvious, isn’t it?

Luckily for the rest of us the only people who are affected will be Penny and phil, who will get nasty headaches everytime they try to blog or otherwise get together in the same spacetime singularity. And there are some nice fireworky-like effects in the sky as well, for us.

The only thing is, it takes awhile for the universe to build up a bit of steam, so it’s not an instant fix. Sorry about that, I know you were all hoping it would be. Except for maybe mb, Luc and toad.
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April 24, 2011 10:33pm
Longknives

Publicwatchdog- You never answered my simple question! Do you consider people talking about slaughtering ‘Pakehas’, blowing up dams and executing the Prime Minister sinister or not?
If not do you consider this type of ‘banter’ acceptable?
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April 24, 2011 10:50pm
magic bullet

LK – would you find months or years of imprisonment acceptable as a punishment for 5 white farmers sitting at the pub talking about shooting tama iti, and burning down a marae?
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April 24, 2011 10:56pm
reid

would you find months or years of imprisonment acceptable as a punishment for 5 white farmers sitting at the pub talking about shooting tama iti and burning down a marae?

But that’s not an analogous example mb. It wasn’t some blokes mouthing off for a few nights at a pub, it was much more organised deliberate planned and coordinated. What would you have had the police do? Ignore it? Given what was in the transcripts.

BTW, no-one has received months or years for it, have they, they haven’t even received days for it, have they, so don’t lie about it as if they had. Man, can’t you lefties ever stop lying and spinning propaganda? How the fuck do you guys sleep at night?
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April 24, 2011 11:01pm
Nookin

Thankyou Reid. I have always believed in karma and now see that I am further fortified by an irrefutable scientific rationale. I will now tuck me to bed and sleep knowing that the virtuous are in safe hands and the force will deal appropriately with the philistines .
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April 24, 2011 11:01pm
Paul G. Buchanan

Reid:

The Urewera defendants were held for over a month without charge and remain on various degrees of bail conditions (most quite lenient, which gives the lie to the terrorism charges). You seem to believe that stoner talk equals capability and propensity for action, which as I have tried to explain is simply not the case here. If it were, and using the police rationale at play, DPF could be charged under the TSA for aiding and abetting the likes of redbaiter calling the good conservative folk to arms in order to destroy the evil commie atheist muslim homosexual paedophiliac neo-fascist hordes. As a blow hard on the internet, RB’s incitements to violence are more likely to reach a large audience than the Urewera 18 private conversations. So why he–or the National Front for that matter–not facing the same level of scrutiny and prosecution?

You otherwise seem to have a good pragmatic read on security issues, but here it seems some other button has been touched.
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April 24, 2011 11:14pm
reid

Actually Nookin, you may sleep a little better if you know that something I didn’t mention, was that poor phil and Penny will also lose bowel control, but don’t tell them that.
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April 24, 2011 11:21pm
Nookin

Paul
I don’t want to enter this debate until I can see some reliable evidence in the right context but I think that I should point out that most kiwiblog readers are convinced that Redbaiter is stricken with a severe case of haemorroids and his rants are delivered in a state of quivering dilerium. Not that that is much of an excuse but it may be a point of difference.
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April 24, 2011 11:24pm
reid

So why he–or the National Front for that matter–not facing the same level of scrutiny and prosecution?

Because RB is a blowhard and that’s always been pretty plain. When people do more than just type stuff on the web: i.e. seek and obtain weapons, attend training camps AND they also don’t do in the context of something lawful like hunting or blowing up tree stumps then I want the law to say the police are allowed to do anything it takes to know all about it. I wish we did that more, to the gangs. I wish all their locales were under 24/7/365 surveillance AND the police were allowed to act on information received AND the tapes were admissable in court.

As far as these guys are concerned, their actions and statements put them within fair reach of that principle. Unfortunately I find NZers to be mostly very naive when it comes to security either domestic or internationally. One effect of this naivity is that over the last few decades over successive govts we’ve now allowed international organised crime rings like the Triads to move in and they’re well ensconced now. That’s just one effect, who knows what others haven’t come to light.

I just don’t think you can take chances with terrorism because of the consequences of a single event. An IED in Queen St for example. How much should we tie our own hands if we don’t want that to happen?
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April 24, 2011 11:32pm
magic bullet

reid – so all those right-wing survivalist gun buffs, that go running around, playing commando in the back-blocks should be locked up too?
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April 25, 2011 12:01am
reid

mb if you find any right-wing survivalist gun buffs in the country, let me know, would you? Just out of interest.
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April 25, 2011 12:09am
Paul G. Buchanan

reid and nookin:

I am sure that we all agree that the application of laws to things like organised crime has been weak, to say the least. The real terrorism in most NZ’ers lives come from criminals–be they Maori and skinhead gangs or Asian triads–rather than some misguided politically minded folk.

My point is simple: RB incites people to violence on a regular basis and outlines plans for the future war between his version of good and all of the otherwise evil. The National Front runs stalker sites on “lefties,” “Jews” and other “undesireables” which include calls to direct action violence against those deemed “undesirable.” Yet the Police have done nothing against them, but choose to trial the TSA (which, if you remember, was supposedly designed to thwart foreign derived terrorist threats) on a bunch of well-known and continually monitored anti-status quo activists at a time when the legislation of terrorism was being reviewed with a view to its expansion (which it was). The entire affair reeks of selective enforcement and political manipulation in the absence of a real threat.

I am not interested in the ideologies of those involved beyond establishing motive. My interest is in pragmatically assessing the threat and the appropriate measure of response. In the case of the Urewera 18, both the threat and response have been exaggerated. To that insult has been added the abhorrent abuse of legal process to find something to hang on the Urewera defendants (as happened in the Zaoui case). The fact that National has allowed this farce to continue, in what was a Labour manipulation in the first place, speaks to how cowardly the current government is on issues of national security (I will leave aside the revelations about the SAS in Afghanistan, which speaks to systematic lying at the highest levels of government in what is a fully-owned National policy decision to deploy NZ’s best troops in combat roles in which the possibility of them witnessing or inadvertently assisting in human rights abuses was known a priori).
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April 25, 2011 12:09am
magic bullet

reid – here are your brothers in arms: http://www.surviveclub.org.nz/default.aspx?page=photoGallery
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April 25, 2011 12:53am
Longknives

Aaargh! But it WASN’T just a couple of stoners ‘mouthing off’or a ‘couple of drunks talking at the pub’! It was guys running around in the bush training with guns and weaponry! For Christs sake why can’t people see that this is NOT normal behaviour??
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April 25, 2011 5:27am
Manolo

Applying reason and a logic of the highest order, a well-known scientist speaks:

Pope: Humanity isn’t random product of evolution

Vatican City – Pope Benedict XVI marked the holiest night of the year for Christians by stressing that humanity isn’t a random product of evolution.

Benedict emphasised the Biblical account of creation in his Easter Vigil homily Saturday, saying it was wrong to think at some point “in some tiny corner of the cosmos there evolved randomly some species of living being capable of reasoning and of trying to find rationality within creation, or to bring rationality into it.”

“If man were merely a random product of evolution in some place on the margins of the universe, then his life would make no sense or might even be a chance of nature,” he said. “But no, reason is there at the beginning: creative, divine reason.”
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April 25, 2011 5:31am
Inventory2

Nookin said

Actually Penny, I imagine that it wasn’t the abuse that riles IV2. It is your hypocrisy, your bloody arrogant refusal to admit you were wrong, the obsequious way in which you tried to wriggle your way around your fuckup and the transparent way you continually try to pump up your silly ego by denigrating others and saying how powerful and wonderful you are that tends to get up everyone’s funnel. There, I have said it in plain lingo so that you can now inflate your sense of self-importance ( misconceived as it is) and launch yourself into another vaccuous and supercilious diatribe. You are so disappointingly predicatble.”

Nookin; I couldn’t have put it better myself. Penny is a slave to her own ego, and her self-image will be screwed if she admits that she was caught out. She’s had her arse handed to her enough times now over this one issue that it’s time to move on 🙂

Oh; and Penny; when you are quoting someone, how about using the html tags

, then insert the text between the two tags. You’ll be surprised how much easier it makes your posts for people to read, and they can work out where other people’s common-sense starts and stops, and seperate it from your bluster (meant in a caring and considerate way, of course). If someone with my level of “technical imcompetence” and as “intellectually lazy” as you insist I am can get a grasp of basic html, there’s hope for you 🙂
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April 25, 2011 8:55am
Inventory2

blockquote to start the quote; /blockquote to close the quote; use at the end as brackets
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April 25, 2011 9:02am
Inventory2

Right; I might not have been technically competent enough to display the html tags in their entirety, but I have thrown off my intellectual laziness to find this for you Penny; if I can do it, so can you!

http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
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April 25, 2011 9:47am
reid

I2 it’s faster and easier to use the italic tags to enclose the quote.

It’s not quite so obvious and elegant, but it’s easier.

Blockquote is [blockquote]quote[/blockquote]

Italic is [i]quote[/i]

Replace “[” and “]” with left and right carets.

Penny you know what I think of your content, but as I pointed out to you weeks ago, one of the main complaints I read about your post is the inability to scan it due to your “branding” and I explained precisely how and why your layout interferes with scanning. Far be it from me to help you do anything at all on KB for I wish you’d just bugger off but since you won’t, at least don’t make it harder for the rest of us. I know you’ll just ignore this because like phil, you think your “branding” adds value which newsflash, it doesn’t, it’s your words that add value, not what they look like. But neither you nor phil get that, which is one of the reasons no-one on this blog will ever respond to you in a positive way.
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April 25, 2011 11:12am
magic bullet

Can anyone tell me if John Key worships the demon Molech? His US banker mates are due to start their annual Molech-worshipping ceremony in a bit over a month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU8P_z9MC8

Does it not worry anyone on the right that John Key may well be a Satanist?
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April 25, 2011 11:16am
Manolo

Reid, your politeness and helpfulness defy logic! 😀
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April 25, 2011 11:17am
Inventory2

@ Manolo; she’s not going to go away, so we may as well encourage her to improve the aesthetics of her posts, even if the content will still be of dubious value 🙂
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April 25, 2011 11:41am
reid

My interest is in pragmatically assessing the threat and the appropriate measure of response. In the case of the Urewera 18, both the threat and response have been exaggerated.

Paul yes you’re right, as it has currently turned out (but still to be finally determined but I think you’ll be proven right from all known facts), the threat was exaggerated. However could we have really known that at the time, before everything was pieced together?

At the start of the investigation when none of the various strands, players and otherwise were known, should we have just dropped it, cause it looked like it was just a bunch of idiot wannabee pretenders?

If not at the start, then at which point should we drop future such cases that arise?

What about the transcripts from the bugs? Weren’t they to be taken seriously?

All I’m saying is, aren’t we wise to have these powers on the books in reserve as and when we need them?

All in all, even though these people were taken down, they were taken down in a professional proportionate manner which is always the environment in which we anticipate these powers will be exercised. I know they can be exercised to achieve other means but just because that’s the case, why should that mean we don’t even consider them?
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April 25, 2011 4:21pm
hj

The Urewera defendants were held for over a month without charge and remain on various degrees of bail conditions (most quite lenient, which gives the lie to the terrorism charges).
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Not necessarily. They may have in their own minds thought they were the begining of big things just like the Manson family did. When they were exposed any groups they were linked to (that provoded any moral support at all) would have given them a dressing down (“we love you but don’t make the left look bad”).

I don’t think you can compare the National Front to Maori Nationalism as Maori Nationalism still has a significant degree of support form the left (whereas the Nationla Front don’t have support from the right).
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April 26, 2011 1:50pm
magic bullet

So hj goes for profiling and thought crime over evidence. Interesting. If you want to get in to that …. Half of them were white middle-class hippy kids. I’ve known many – they’re all pussies. lol. It’s a big fucken joke don’t you realise?
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April 26, 2011 4:09pm
hj

The issue here is the closeness between the Peace Movement and wannabe terrorists.
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