General Debate 15 Aprril 2011

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vto

Remember today the 15th of April 2011 all you National Party goons. It was the day that the laws operating in Canterbury, New Zealand, became equal to the laws operating under Hitler in Nazi Germany in 1933.

you are worse than fools
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April 15, 2011 8:06am
KiwiGreg

Wow, those jews in Canterbury better watch out!
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April 15, 2011 8:07am
niggly

Oh dear, Labour makes fools of themselves in Palmerston North (where MP Iain Lees-Galloway will be facing a strong National candidate in this years election).

Firstly Iain and his followers really must have nothing of substance to offer the voters when they resort to bullying protest and strong-arm tactics over the National candidate (Leonie Hapeta, a respected member of the local community who happens to have recently bought a prominent hotel) by protesting supposed National Asset Sales at her hotel.

Iain’s claim to fame is as a one time Massey Student President and then Nurses Union advocate before entering politics, doesn’t see why he is wrong in protesting at the National Candidate’s business! He also talks about National Asset Sales but cannot name any assets that National propose to sell!

(What’s also worrying is Iain, with his limited life experience is quoted in the Manawatu Standard twice this week (Mon and Wed) as writing Labour’s Defence Policy. Good grief!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/4886860/Nasty-politics-claim-by-rival

Also Annette King is spouting shit. I really think Goff’s and Labour’s problems are also due to an ineffectual Opposition Deputy in the form of Annette. Here’s some gems from her:

Labour ‘in with a chance’
Labour stands “a real chance” of winning power later this year despite three weeks from hell over the Darren Hughes sex complaint.

Deputy leader Annette King said in Palmerston North yesterday that to be polling at 34 per cent after the senior whip’s resignation showed a win, supported by a coalition partner, was achievable.

The campaign would be about showing New Zealanders Labour had a long-term policy plan based on building the economy, developing work skills, valuing children and protecting assets.

“We can see that people are worried. People think New Zealand is a mess.

“And when you strip away a popular prime minister and look at National, there is not much there at all – no plan, cohesion or policy.”

From http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/4886867/Labour-in-with-a-chance

Good forking grief, is this the best someone as experienced as Annette can come up with? Granted she was preaching to the converted, but, I’d expect better, and so far it is lacking ….
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April 15, 2011 8:12am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

vto, we know where you live. National Party goons will be arriving shortly, prepare for assimilation. Resistance is futile.
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April 15, 2011 8:14am
joana

You can joke..you obviously don’t live in CHCH.
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April 15, 2011 8:14am
Rodders

vto @ 8:06 – Please clarify the specific laws operating under Hitler in Nazi Germany in 1933 you are referring to.
I wasn’t aware they had earthquakes there.
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April 15, 2011 8:14am
Pete George

Things haven’t quite got this draconian here yet…

Editorial: Intolerance in France has a lesson for us>

France’s Bill Prohibiting Facial Dissimulation in a Public Place does not specifically refer to Muslim women. Nowhere is the banning of the burqa and the niqab mentioned.

The Gendarmes will be out in force this weekend doing the wedding rounds making sure there are no veiled faces.

I wonder what Asian tourists will do? Will they be able to wear face masks?
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April 15, 2011 8:17am
Murray

Shit no Rodders that would require a leftie to actually know what the fuck he was talking about and impinge on his right to talk shit in a public place as well as make conections with anything not socialist to the Nazis.

AKA the National SOCIALIST Party.
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April 15, 2011 8:17am
KiwiGreg

“You can joke”

Thanks

What do you call a pig with three eyes?

PIIIG!
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April 15, 2011 8:21am
DrDr

Lees-Galloway is still wet behind the ears and must be quite worried about his re-election prospects. He doesn’t have the same local following that Steve Maharey had and hasn’t really made much of an impact in his first term. His seat is there for the taking and giving Leonie Hapeta some of the sympathy vote by staging a noisy protest outside her hotel isn’t going to help him.
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April 15, 2011 8:21am
vto

Goose step everybody, hup hup hup..

Key heil! Key heil! Key heil!

and to think i voted for them. more fool am i..
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April 15, 2011 8:23am
Pete George

National seem to be taking advantage of a weak opposition to increase their arrogance, if they don’t get the message before it will have to wait until November. Unfortunately they also know that’s going to Hobsons choice.

Unless of course some strong independents in strategic electorates take them to task. Any alternatives are a bit depressing.
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April 15, 2011 8:23am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Joana, I can joke when you have idiots comparing the laws of New Zealand to those of Nazi Germany.
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April 15, 2011 8:24am
Rodders

vto @8.23 said “more fool am i..”

That sounds like a description from self awareness.
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April 15, 2011 8:26am
Murray

Lees-Galloway has his wet behind the ears division of his supporters calking vote labour shit all over Massey at the moment making some absolutely bullshit claims.

Not seeing any authorisations on the messages either.
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April 15, 2011 8:32am
bhudson

I see Godwin got off to an early start this morning…

(vto – you might want to remind yourself that everyone bar the Greens, Hone & Carter voted for this legislation. Perhaps you might deduce from that fact that it was seen as essential to the proper and timely rebuilding and restoration of the region.)
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April 15, 2011 8:43am
Rodders

@bhudson – Better give vto and joana a link too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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April 15, 2011 8:44am
vto

Greater and greater power concentrated in the mechanisms of state and individual officers.

Greater and greater reduction of the rights and powers of individual people.

You lot have become just like the last Labour govt and Clark. In fact worse. Try looking in a mirror. Bloody little hitlers (and godwin can get fucked).
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April 15, 2011 8:53am
MT_Tinman

vto (890) Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am

…. more fool am i..

Yep.

Joanna, I do and I do.
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April 15, 2011 8:55am
Rodders

vto – Glauben Sie, dass vor dem Sprechen?
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April 15, 2011 9:02am
Murray

He’d need brain fot that to happen Rodders.
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April 15, 2011 9:06am
Nookin

“Perhaps you might deduce from that fact that it was seen as essential to the proper and timely rebuilding and restoration of the region.”
Nah. vto is a free marketeer. He wants everyone to be able to go thru the whole RMA consent process so the rebuild can be strung out for 30 years. Probably wants ecan democratically elected as well. Then it will take another twenty odd years to get a water management plan together let alone implement it. Good thing about the free market is this: the wealthy buggers who want their swimming pools repaired can afford to pay more and therefore dictate priorities at the expense of the eastern suburbs who have the audacity to ask for drinking water and effluent disposal. Profiteers will be able to take advantage of the helpless. That’s ok vto? Or should there their be a temporary set of rules to make sure that there is a level playing field. I know someone (now deceased) who spent a huge amount of time studying how reconstruction should take place and under what system. He was looking specifically at what would be needed in the case of a major earthquake and was driven by an inate sense of social justice. These are the sorts of measures that he advocated. If you are going to liken him to Hitler then you are an arsehole.

Maybe the government did get clued up and say that an unprecedented natural disaster might be the time to put in place a system where decisions can be taken and acted on promptly and where priorities can be properly recognised? I have the feeling that if the government did nothing and told the people of Christchurch to stop bitching and get on with it then vto would be the first and loudest to complain.
If the government is going to pick up the tab then there will be strings attached and as a taxpayer contributing to this I am very happy at the idea.
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April 15, 2011 9:20am
vto

Perhaps Rodders and Murray you could explain what steps have been taken by this Key lot which have resulted in less power concentrating in the hands of the state and its officers and more power and rights concentrating in the hands of individual people.

Which steps?
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April 15, 2011 9:21am
nasska

I see that Young Labour have been waving placards outside the National candidate’s place of business. Have they no fear? Do they ignore history? Does uniting behind the red flag blind them to the possibility that they may be assaulted?

One must admire anyone with the strength of purpose to put their arse on the line for the cause but they should realise that the Labour caucus may have made a bulk purchase of swiss balls.
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April 15, 2011 9:29am
kowtow

PG that editorial was pure bullshit.

France is dog tucker as is the rest of Europe. Human rights legislation and mass immigration of Islamic populations have fundamentally changed the nature and demographics of Europe.

History repeats itself and Europe will become a very ugly place due to the negligence of politicians and so called pluralist secular values. The French Revolution was a disaster for France and the rest of the world. Vive le Roi.
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April 15, 2011 9:33am
Murray

We’re still waiting for you to back your assertion of parallells with Nazi German polices vto.

Watcha got?
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April 15, 2011 9:33am
Rick Rowling

vto, you still haven’t clarified which “laws operating under Hitler in Nazi Germany in 1933” you’re referring to, and which clauses of today’s laws are the same.

Yet you’re demanding clarification from Rodders and Murray.

Today’s H word is hypocrite, not Hitler…
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April 15, 2011 9:33am
dime

vto doesnt seem over the top at all lol

struth! when you start comparing shit to nazis, you generally have a weak argument or youre an over the top nutjob
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April 15, 2011 9:35am
vto

Nookin you are just silly. I have heard nobody explain exactly and in detail why these Brownlee powers are needed. And your post above is just empty rhetoric with no substance.

Near 100% of the CBD rebuild is a private matter. Private owners, private money, private. Get it? No special powers needed.

Rebuild of the public buildings is a matter for the public service. Funds from the government to assist are just that and nothing more. No special powers needed. Get it?

Rebuild of the sewer, water and other infrastructure is a simple though large job. Existing use rights exist for near 100% of that (tho I see commissar brownlee can cancel these on a whim). Central govt funds are simple. CCC staff have it in hand. Simply a large job, nothing more. No special powers needed.

The only place where some special powers are needed is perhaps around deeming entire suburbs as no-build areas. And perhaps severely shortening the RMA process when necessary for matters such as rebuilding existing public assets such as schools etc in new locations. And perhaps amending the City Plan to cater for new demographics and geographics in teh city, following some rapid public input. Each of these can be dealt with individually.

The special powers are not necessary to anything like the extent legislated.

Happy to be shown why they are so necessary but not Key not Brownlee not Carter not any govt officer has outlined the reasons in detail.

Bully goon boys until proved otherwise.
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April 15, 2011 9:37am
tom hunter

For those who follow the travails of the Nation Formerly Known As The USA the following radio clip (15 minutes) may be of interest. It’s the GOP budget guy Paul Ryan, talking about Obumble’s speech yesterday on fiscal matters and budgets. Ryan has been under the radar for most people for the last few years as he built a reputation as a thoughtful policy wonk (as an aside, my very liberal friend from SF had never heard of him when I mentioned the name – she subscribes to the NYT on a Kindle).

Anyhoo, Ryan had been invited along to hear the President’s remarks and was standing just a few feet away from him. Ryan is soft spoken and not known as a barn burning speech maker, crafter of sound bites, or a generally a person who gets their nose in knot. Bear that in mind as he comments on the first campaign speech of the 2012 Presidential campaign.

Political commentator Charles Krauthammer was more blunt: I thought it was a disgrace

The really bad part of this is that Obama and his team will actually think these reactions mean the speech was a success!
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April 15, 2011 9:55am
cha

Frum has another take on Ryan’s budget work.
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April 15, 2011 10:06am
Nookin

And saying that the law is like Nazi Germany is not empty rhetoric? And you have plenty of experience in rebuilding major cities and can say that it is all a private matter based on that experience?

I have seen how the free market reacts to disaster and the example was relatively minor in comparison. People’s priorities tend to become misguided and self oriented.

Now tell me – what happens when you happily reinstate your commercial building but are then told that no building permits can issue on surrounding land because of liquifaction issues? Or the roading system is fucked and has to be re-aligned and wont go past you anymore. Or the Council is not going to consider re-instatement of infrastructural services to that area until it has dealt with other areas? Maybe some major corporates might decide to suck up all available labour so that they can re-establish. Do you tell the waterless pensioners that the rebuild of their house is a private matter – deal with it?

Existing use rights? Sure you have the right to built on land because someone said you could 40 years ago despite the fact that the land is no longer suitable.

“The only place where some special powers are needed is perhaps around deeming entire suburbs as no-build areas. And perhaps severely shortening the RMA process when necessary for matters such as rebuilding existing public assets such as schools etc in new locations. And perhaps amending the City Plan to cater for new demographics and geographics in teh city, following some rapid public input. Each of these can be dealt with individually.”

And how long will that take? Individual legislation for individual cases?
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April 15, 2011 10:07am
niggly

vto (893) Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Nookin you are just silly. I have heard nobody explain exactly and in detail why these Brownlee powers are needed. And your post above is just empty rhetoric with no substance.

Near 100% of the CBD rebuild is a private matter. Private owners, private money, private. Get it? No special powers needed.

Rebuild of the public buildings is a matter for the public service. Funds from the government to assist are just that and nothing more. No special powers needed. Get it?

vto – my understanding is because the special powers allow demolition/deconstruction and then reconstruction to get on quicker, without being bogged down for years by bureaucratic red tape/RMA etc, the result being the citizens of ChCh see progress on development meaning good progress to get business’ going and therefore the citizens will be able to start working and earning an income to support themselves, family and community etc.

At the moment with the central city closed down, hundreds (probably thousands) are affected ie those directly working there and ancilliary service and support workers (eg even people supplying goods and services, who may not be based in the central city but in functioning outer suburbs, will also have had their lively-hoods destroyed because they can no longer supply to the business’ in the city etc).

Currently this is impacting the wealth and prosperity of NZ, not just Chch, so we need to move quickly …
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April 15, 2011 10:13am
Murray

STILL not going to back your Nazi asssertions vto.

Could be you’re just full of shit.
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April 15, 2011 10:15am
tom hunter

Yeah, yeah Cha. Frum – proponent of “compassionate conservatism”, something that translates to “if you’re hurting, the government will throw money at you” – a guy whose total focus is on getting Republicans elected, even they do fucking nothing when they get there. A blood brother for a partisan like Obama.

The thing is that Ryan acknowledged a couple of weeks ago the political risks he was taking:

WALLACE: Last question, as you look ahead, and a lot of people would say look, the answer is you’re not going to get this budget passed. It’s really setting up an issue and — and a sensible debate for 2012.

As you look ahead to the next election, aren’t Democrats going to be able to say, look at Paul Ryan, look at the House Republicans. They want to kill Medicare, they want to kill Medicaid, they want to gut the programs that you depend on. Aren’t you playing into the Democrats’ hands?

RYAN: We are. We are giving them a political weapon to go against us, but they will have to lie and demagogue to make that a political weapon.

Look, we don’t change benefits for anybody over the age of 55. We save Medicare, save Medicaid. We save these entitlement programs. We repair our social safety net, and we get our country a debt-free country for our children and grandchildren’s generation. And we get jobs. We get economic growth.

They are going to demagogue us, and — and it’s that demagoguery that has always prevented political leaders in the past from actually trying to fix the problem. We can’t keep kicking this can down the road.

The president has punted. We’re not going to follow suit. And, yes, we will be giving our political adversaries things to use against us in the next election, and shame on them if they do that.

But what the hell. It’s fast getting to the point that real, hardline, right-wing ideologues perhaps should vote Obama and put the Democrats back into power in Congress.

No other political action would be more certain to burn Social Security and Medicare to the ground.
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April 15, 2011 10:31am
Sofia

Penny Bright, yesterday evening [9:06pm] –
“Sofia, I believe ‘Whistleblower’ known as Dr Jacob Cohen, has made some very serious allegations that it was ‘murder at Pike River Mine’.
I have helped to forward the information that he specifically sent to me because he had heard that I was also a ‘Whistleblower’ also, in order that others could read these ALLEGATIONS for themselves.
I believe that the families and the public have the right to a full and thorough independent investigation, so that the FACTS can fully emerge without whitewashing or coverup.
What really concerns me, is that it appears that the company Pike River Mine, may not fully participate in the Royal Commission.
Again – I encourage people to take the time to read Dr Jacob Cohen’s report for yourselves – before rubbishing it. You may find it more helpful to start at Chapter Two – which deals with allegations of negligence by the company.”

So who is ‘Dr Jacob Cohen’
Is he linked to Brandeis University? commentary on the Zapruder film? Tony Gosling / Bilderberg.org?
Or someone Penny Bright has made up?
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April 15, 2011 10:46am
Pete George

They are going to demagogue us, and — and it’s that demagoguery that has always prevented political leaders in the past from actually trying to fix the problem. We can’t keep kicking this can down the road.

The paralysis of poxy politics.

And it can be worse than that – rushing and ramming through legislation is brazen brashness, not boldness.
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April 15, 2011 10:50am
Luc Hansen

For the fiscally rigorous here, you may be interested in the news that the cancelled census process had already spent 72 of the 89 million dollars allocated. And at the least the same total amount will be required to be spent for the upcoming event.

A total spend of 161 million (at least) for the census.

I wrote at the time of the cancellation that at that time India was conducting its own census, in a land with tens of million permanently homeless and where things are chaotic at the best of times.

For us to cancel that census because of upheaval in a relatively finite area rather than just put some extra resources into what would have been a valuable snapshot in the period immediately following the two quakes reflects poorly on our organisational skills.

And I haven’t seen any mention here of Key’s comment that 150 million is “chump change.”

But he is still going to throw Cantabrian quake victims on to the dole when the special support package runs out.

I wonder why he doesn’t just throw a bit more of his chump change their way?

Could it be that he figures those who go on the dole are more likely Labour voters, anyway?
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April 15, 2011 10:52am
Luc Hansen

real, hardline, right-wing ideologues

Nice self-awareness by our friend Tom.
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April 15, 2011 10:55am
jaba

I saw some of the debate about the Canterbury powers after work yesterday .. I caught the idiot Cosgroves rant (and some of Dysons but she put me to sleep). . He got stuck into Brownlee about the bill .. he must have felt fantastic not being bitch slapped again by the Crusher.
What REALLY got me was that he .. and his pathetic party .. voted for the legislation .. wtf is that all about?
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April 15, 2011 10:56am
tom hunter

Nice self-awareness by our friend Tom.

I figure I have to compensate this site for the complete lack of self-awareness by left-wingers like you – though I can do nothing for your dully-honed sense of mockery.
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April 15, 2011 11:09am
vto

Murray, you sound just like your website. Learn some history about how nazism and hitler arose. In Canterbury we have Brownlee with no restrictions on power. He has the powers of a dictator. Simple. Handle it – you make out you are tough. Now, about those steps Key has taken to restrict the powers of State? And the steps Key has taken to increase the righs and powers of individual people? Got an answer yet?

And nookin, if you read my post carefully you will find that all those questions of yours are answered.

Jackboots of the National Party.
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April 15, 2011 11:20am
RightNow

Tom, Chauncey has a finely honed aptitude for self-mockery though
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/general_debate_14_april_2011.html#comment-819690
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April 15, 2011 11:33am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

And the steps Key has taken to increase the rights and powers of individual people? Got an answer yet?

How about the coming General Election. Shit, we even know what date it is being held.
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April 15, 2011 11:34am
vto

Right wing types love to call a spade a spade.

So call the dictator a dictator.
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April 15, 2011 11:35am
TripeWryter

On something completely different …

I am bemused by stuff-The Dominion Post-Vernon Small’s heavy use of ‘secret’ and ‘secretly’ to describe the airlift of a troop (or a platoon, if they didn’t come from the cavalry squadron) of LAVs to beef up the forces in Afghanistan.

Sometimes the military has to do things without telling anybody, and the news media should learn not to take offence (because that was being implied, I think) because they haven’t been told. People’s lives are at stake sometimes.

And they’re not ‘armoured cars’. That’s an old term. They’re ‘light armoured vehicles’. And if a headline-writing subeditor thinks: “Oh. They must be tanks then.” No, they ain’t tanks, either.

What surprised me, I guess, was that they had to use a Qantas 747 to get the vehicles there. Didn’t that prove former MP Ron Mark’s point that the LAVs were not suitable for deploying aboard C130s?
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April 15, 2011 11:44am
gravedodger

PG @ 08 17, some of the people at the wedding might have a tiny clue as to the identity of the Bride but the punk outside with the shotty, wearing a full face helmet may only be known to the bride as she had dumped/ spurned him in a previous life. Sometimes you “speak”and remove the doubt.
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April 15, 2011 11:52am
vto

ha ha ha, it is truly funny that people on here take offence at the national party goons being compared to Nazi Gernmany and Hitler, given it was a constant description of Clark during her time by national party goons.

You are all as bad as each other.

I had enough. Going bush.
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April 15, 2011 11:54am
starboard

“given it was a constant description of Clark during her time”

..a factual statement though…klark was like hitler and no doubt still is.
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April 15, 2011 11:59am
Pete George

Comparing anyone to Hitler and any group to the Nazis is always going to sound like ranting overstatement.

We might have a few issues and problems to deal with in present day New Zealand but it’s no comparison at all to the 1930’s in Germany. Many people here don’t appreciate have no idea how lucky they are to live in this time and place.

The mumbles here about poverty are relative too, no comparison to many present and past people and countries. A simple story someone who grew up in 1930s Germany told me last year – on their birthday they were given an egg for their only present, and could choose how it was cooked for them. They chose poached.
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April 15, 2011 12:09pm
adze

I think Clark was more often compared to Stalin wasn’t she? Not much better but at least it avoided a Godwin…
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April 15, 2011 12:25pm
kowtow

So while a fine for a veil in France is world news the fate of Egypts indigenous Christians is ignored.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/democracy-on-the-march-christians-begin-to-flee-egypt.html
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April 15, 2011 12:50pm
KH

Well it was good to see the Chairman of the Queenstown Airport get the boot – highly deserved. But why did the other three loonie directors not get the same?
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April 15, 2011 12:50pm
magic bullet

VTO – opening comment. But where were all the opinion-leaders then? and where are they now? Gordon Campbell Is the only major one i’ve seen take a swipe at this government’s incremental increase in authoritarianism.

http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2011/04/13/gordon-campbell-on-legal-aid-and-the-hobbit-saga/

This isn’t to say that John Key and Gerry Brownly would take us down a path to tyranny. I think that highly improbable. But this is a very slippery slope, and it sets some dangerous precedents. Dismissing human rights and civil liberties on the basis of increased “protection” is the same reasoning used by Hitler, when the Nazi Party burned down their house of parliament and blamed it on the communists. It was then as it is now, easily denigrated portions of society that first feel the jackboot of authoritarian decline (accused persons, ethnic minorities).

Further, there is no reason for Gerry Brownly’s powers in Canterbury to be limitless. He’s already autocratically, sacked one democratic body (ECAN). Now he’s allowed to undertake what ever other autocratic actions he deems necessary in the Canterbury area. God knows what scenarios this could entail. I wouldn’t trust any politician with that kind of power. Least of all Gerry Brownly.
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April 15, 2011 1:29pm
Rufus

Further to tom hunter 9:55am

Congressman Paul Ryan on the Mark Levin Show:

“Obama is a pyromaniac in a field of straw men”.

Nice.

Worst. President. Ever.
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April 15, 2011 2:08pm
Luc Hansen

klark was like hitler and no doubt still is.

And if you said that about Jacinda Aden or Hekia Parata my guess is that you would get demerits.
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April 15, 2011 2:14pm
Luc Hansen

I just couldn’t help thinking of Kiwiblog when I read this verse today from a poem by Sylvia Plath: The Arrival of the Bee Box

“How can I let them out?
It is the noise that appals me most of all,
The unintelligible syllables.
It is like a roman mob,
Small, taken one by one, but my god, together!”

And later

“I have simply ordered a box of maniacs.”

Pure genius.
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April 15, 2011 2:19pm
magic bullet

It certainly was a bold claim. Hitler was purportedly a schizophrenic with a mood disorder, who followed astrology, and the occult visions/prophecies of Heinrich Himmler. Sounds more like Ronald Reagan Than H1 when you think about it.
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April 15, 2011 2:20pm
magic bullet

LUC – so you’re fine with the “Brownly is lord” Act?
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April 15, 2011 2:25pm
Luc Hansen

The success of the act will depend entirely on the manner of implementation.

Since Fatty Brownlee’s main claim to fame before this parliament was throwing an old man down some stairs, this might be an interesting watch.

Generally, mb, I try to put myself in the position of those most affected by a particular situation. In this case, if I lived in CHCH, I would look approvingly on the recent Japanese and Chinese examples (the latter rectifying a previously abysmal record) of emergency assistance after a disaster and would hope for similar timeliness from our government.

So in principle, I support it, but the devil will be in the details.
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April 15, 2011 2:37pm
magic bullet

Luc – I agree with the soundness of you argument, other than that, carte blanch, unaccountable power is abused, because absolute power corrupts absolutely. The stupid piece of legislation even makes Brownlee’s actions immune to Official Information Act requests, putting it on par in terms of secrecy, with our government’s vitally important strategic military intelligence information. Do you not see? He has been granted unaccounted power. Forget the nanny state, now we have the creepy uncle state.
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April 15, 2011 2:51pm
RightNow

Luc, you are a kiwiblogger.
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April 15, 2011 2:59pm
cabbage

So the question remains; who do i vote for at the end of the year? lets look at my options:

National – Although i voted for them last election, with the complete lack of effective and credible opposition they have themselves not only been ineffectual, they have also abused their position to pass some poorly written and designed legislation. They have failed to deliver on promises such as reducing the gap with Oz, Faster Growth, Better public services and safer communities. I class their tenure this term as an abject failure.

Act – Have relegated themselves in to irrelevance.

Labour – Have relegated themselves into irrelevance. Cannot and would not vote for them with anything even close to their current party structure.

Greens – Ideologically opposed to their entire ethos. Cannot vote for them.

Maori – Have done well ejecting the radical Harawira. However until such time as they cede the Maori seats and eject other racist elements in their party i can not and would not vote for them.

So who do I vote for? Do i abstain as a protest that wont be counted or acknowledged? What options are there for the right leaning centrist voter? There are none. The countries fucked. Maybe time to move on.
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April 15, 2011 3:21pm
krazykiwi

cabbage – I have a similar conundrum. Our domain of representation has slid inexorably towards the left, as an increasing number NZers have allowed themselves to be bribed and manipulated with each passing term.

We’ve had too many decades of neo-socialism, numbing of the masses into lazy dependence on the largess of the state. Didn’t work for Ireland or Greece. Not working for Portugal, Spain, Italy etc.

I will probably vote Act, and do this knowing that Act today is further to the left of where Labour was in the 1980’s. I think we’re probably screwed.
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April 15, 2011 3:45pm
Rodders

Sue Kedgley’s latest gripe:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/4893451/Meat-glue-leads-to-complaint

Could someone please use the leftovers to glue her mouth shut?
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April 15, 2011 3:49pm
Manolo

Kedgley cuts a pathetic figure these days. Ah, the poor Luddite MP.

Industry refutes meat glue claim

Beef + Lamb New Zealand is refuting claims scraps of meat are being glued together to be sold as prime cuts.
Green MP Sue Kedgley has laid a complaint with the Commerce Commission, saying it’s her understanding meat glue is used by butchers in New Zealand.

But Beef + Lamb CEO Rod Slater says use of Transglutaminase, or TG, is used in New Zealand restaurants purely for portion control. “It’s most definitely not used in the manner that Sue Kedgley is describing, that is, I’m quoting her terms here, ‘scraps of meat bonded together’,” he told Newstalk ZB.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=194652
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April 15, 2011 4:33pm
magic bullet

Sue isn’t so bad. She’s only genuinely concerned for the well being of humans and animals. I just don’t see the attraction in raging at such a person.
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April 15, 2011 4:35pm
RightNow

The new government in Egypt has asked the city’s taxi drivers to drive
around Cairo sounding their horns. It is thought that the familiar sounds
of the city will induce a return to tranquility and normality.
Operation Toot ‘n Calm ‘em will last for the rest of the week.
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April 15, 2011 4:46pm
Manolo

Sue isn’t so bad.

Really? She’s not only bad, but also what I would call mildly “deranged”.
Your opinion is confirmation of the synergy and attraction between Labour and the Luddites.
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April 15, 2011 4:48pm
krazykiwi

Poor Sue. Remember she railed against dihydrogen-oxide a while back.
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April 15, 2011 4:49pm
magic bullet

Synergy? Stop misusing words you don’t understand. Looks like your anger has made you deranged to me. It’s also stupid to apply the label Luddite to the greens. In fact they’re all for government funding of technological research, so your characterisation couldn’t be more misinformed.

Not that i think you’re a bad guy Manolo. You just need to change your default setting away from anger.
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April 15, 2011 4:54pm
krazykiwi

@magic bullet – Are the Greens opposed to increased industrialization. Yes or no?
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April 15, 2011 5:10pm
CrazyIvan

Rufus
Three words: Warren G Harding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

My favourite (worst) is John Tyler, who’s Cabinet resigned in protest at his actions, who annexed Texas (only after he first lost a vote to do so) and then was elected to the Confederate Congress. He is the only President not to have an official mourning in Washington DC after his death.

Of course there’s William Henry Harrison, who according to legend died after catching a cold at his inuagural address – after delivering a two-hour speech in bad weather without a coat or hat (though in fact he came down with it three weeks later)
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April 15, 2011 5:40pm
reid

Just listened to the blogger who is being sued by the ACC doctor on Checkpoint.

She sounds like a plant, or an idiot. Possibly its both.

Either way, she’s definitely a lefty.

Feel quite sorry for the doctor actually. I doubt he expected this would happen but you never know do you, when you’re dealing with your unpredictable and unstable average common-or-garden lefty.
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April 15, 2011 6:14pm
Steve

@ krazykiwi. 4.49pm. Lets not get our oxides mixed up. Sue got discombobulated about dyhydrogen monoxide, not dyhydrogen oxide. Let’s not get steamed up ….
Now the meat glue, well my Mum makes a great meatloaf and she puts eggs into it. Why?
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April 15, 2011 7:26pm
nasska

Reid @ 6.14pm

Too be fair the doctor is largely the author of his own misfortune. He must have known that she was a nasty bit of work, if not unhinged & that starting legal proceedings was only giving her a platform for her grievances.
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April 15, 2011 7:27pm
Hurf Durf

Are the Greens opposed to increased industrialization. Yes or no?

Questions to which the answer is “yes.” That along with “Is cha a mong?”
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April 15, 2011 8:00pm
reid

Too be fair the doctor is largely the author of his own misfortune. He must have known that she was a nasty bit of work, if not unhinged & that starting legal proceedings was only giving her a platform for her grievances.

nasska good point, I hadn’t looked at it like that. If a psychiatrist can’t tell that then who can?
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April 15, 2011 8:10pm
krazykiwi

@Hurf, Young bullet was going for the literary jugular on Manolo, while demonstrating his/her misunderstanding of the term Luddite*.

You know they say somewhere there’s a bullet with your name on it? Well, Magic just needs to look at his/her foot.

*Luddite: A person opposed to increased industrialization or new technology.

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@Steve, noted!
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