General Debate 10 April 2011

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MyNameIsJack

Sarah Palin has done a great job raising her daughter.

Bristol doesn’t listen to mummy’s messages about abstinence, then parlays her experience into a “job”.

In 2009 The Candies Foundation appointed Bristol Palin as its new ambassador. The foundation, which encourages abstinence to prevent pregnancy among teenage girls, has chosen Palin to help promote National Day to Prevent Teen Pregnancy on May 6.

Tax information reveals that The Candies Foundation paid Bristol Palin a salary of $262,500.00 for her “services”, yet managed to disburse a miserly $35,000.00 in grants to teen pregnancy prevention initiatives.

Just like Momma Grizzly, when Bristol sees a teat, she knows how to latch.

http://leftrightout.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/sarah-bristolpeas-in-a-pod/
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April 10, 2011 8:14am
pdm

My last contirbution from Nunhead, London. Back in NZ Tuesday after being away since mid July 09. Has anything changed?
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April 10, 2011 8:18am
Sofia

“Questions have also been raised about whether MediaWorks used part of a $43 million Government “loan” to finance Henry’s contract.”
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10718266

This is from the New Zealand Herald.
It is my understanding that various radio stations are due to pay the Government fees for air waves frequency use.
Instead of paying this all in one crippling amount, an arrangement has been reached that the amount be paid over five years. Some how this has turned into a loan.

The Herald puts their word, loan, in quotes to indicate the word is not exactly what they mean but apparently Joanne Carroll is too fucking illiterate or lazy to give a more appropriate word, or the Herald has an agenda that suits you taking the word at face-value.
It is my understanding no money has been paid by the Government to MediaWorks. That would be a loan.
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April 10, 2011 8:20am
Bobbie black

@ pdm:

April 10th, 2011 at 8:18 am

“My last contirbution from Nunhead, London. Back in NZ Tuesday after being away since mid July 09. Has anything changed?”

In lil ol time warp, conservative, Kiwi Isles, well, a few more people died, apart from that nah.

And yeah, the economy and so on must suck in London?
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April 10, 2011 8:27am
Pongo

Vodafone – Buy a Samsung Galaxy in NZ and it will cost you $549 up front then $61.30 pm for 60 minutes talktime, 600 texts and 3gb of data on a 24 month term. (Telecom is naturally dearer still)
Vodafone Australia will give you the phone for nothing and charge you $65 pm for unlimited calls, unlimited texts, unlimited access to social networking sites and 2gb of data on a 24 month term.
If Joyce wants to lift productivity and make NZ more competitive regulating the cosy oligopily might be good place to start. Cheaper than throwing 1.5 billion of taxpayers largesse at the internet.
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April 10, 2011 8:58am
MyNameIsJack

Tennessee accelerates America’s decline to an ascientific theocracy.

In a 70-28 vote today, the Tennessee House of Representatives passed HB 368, a bill that encourages science teachers to explore controversial topics without fear of reprisal. Critics say the measure will enable K-12 teachers to present intelligent design and creationism as acceptable alternatives to evolution in the classroom.

The bill’s text, if passed into state law, would protect teachers from discipline if they “help students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being taught,” namely, “biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning.” The bill also says that its “shall not be construed to promote any religious or non-religious doctrine.”

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/04/bill-allowing-teachers-to-challenge.html

Although the Bill says shall not be construed to promote any religious or non-religious doctrine, the opposition to evolution, chemical origins of life and human cloning are almost totally from those with a religious belief, and intelligent design is of a strictly xian nature.

What controversies will they want taught next? Intelligent falling in place of gravity? 1+1 = 5? pi = 3?

Fortunately, the Supreme Court will, once again, find this law to be unconstitutional and will strike it down, but just what are Americans thinking electing politicians who promote this tosh?
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April 10, 2011 9:02am
joana

Six killed , eleven injured in Dutch Mall shooting. Mental illness..yeah right. Any bets? Reverts anyone?
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April 10, 2011 9:11am
Manolo

I quote this excellent paragraph from “The New Vichy Syndrome” by Theodore Dalrymple, which I’m reading.

A transcendent meaning to life can be sought in politics of a certain kind. Marxism might have been deficient as an explanation of the world; its prophecies can ever be refuted; as far as undated prophecies can ever be refuted; and as a guide to the establishment of regimes in practice, its record has been atrocious, leading to more complete tyrannies than any previously experienced by mankind, that has hardly been lacking in imagination in this matter.

But one thing it did for millions of people, at least for a time: it gave them the feeling that their lives were a contribution to the immanent meaning of history, and that they were a contribution to the denouement of history, when all contradictions would be resolved, all desires fulfilled, and all human relations easy, spontaneous, friendly, and loving.

It was obvious nonsense, of course, but no more obvious nonsense than the religious ideas of those whose religious ideas we do not happen to share.

The search for transcendence in politics did not cease with the transformation of the Soviet Union from an ideological state to a secret-police mafia state. Marxism was discredited apart from a few academics and aging faithful; the impulse and allegiance transferred seamlessly to other causes. Chief among these was the environment.
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April 10, 2011 9:18am
cha

It’ll make your day if the the killer turns out to be who you want him to be wont it Joana. But you’re the idiot who thinks Kyle Chapman is a good guy.

The gunman was identified under Dutch privacy laws as 24-year-old Tristan van der V., and it was “all but certain” he acted alone, District Attorney Kitty Nooy said. She said he was a native Dutchman from Alphen who had previous run-ins with the law, including an illegal weapons possession charge that was dropped. He had a gun license, Nooy said.
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April 10, 2011 9:23am
MT_Tinman

Pongo, the reverse is almost certainly true.

If this instant-contact thing is priced out of reach of those who do not need it, returning it to the toy/hobby status it deserves, people who now cavort about upsetting clients and passers-by with their blind devotion to electronic devices would be forced to return to their offices where they have relevant information at the fingertips and where all information transfers can be recorded I suspect productivity would increase ten-fold overnight.
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April 10, 2011 9:34am
kaya

A new Middle East crisis erupted last night as Dubai Television was refused permission to broadcast ‘The Flintstones’.

A spokesman for the channel said. “A claim was made that people in Dubai would not understand the humour, but we know for a fact that people in Abu Dhabi Do.”
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April 10, 2011 9:52am
MyNameIsJack

joana, if by “reverts”, you mean religious belief, what’s your take on Wellington Menezes de Oliveira?
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April 10, 2011 9:58am
reid

It was obvious nonsense, of course, but no more obvious nonsense than the religious ideas of those whose religious ideas we do not happen to share.

To me if a professed “religion” can’t even make it past its first hundred years, that’s a bit of a clue as to whether or not it’s “obvious nonsense.”
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April 10, 2011 10:01am
Put it away

MyBrainOnCrack – the Candies Foundation is a private donation funded orgranisation. If you don’t like the way they operate, don’t donate. Duh.

“yet managed to disburse a miserly $35,000.00 in grants to teen pregnancy prevention initiatives.”

Do you reckon that might possibly be because they’re not a grant-making foundation? From their ‘about us’:

We are an operating foundation rather than a grant-making foundation. The foundation develops and runs communication campaigns to raise awareness about, and motivate teens to prevent, teen pregnancy.

As a private group, they choose who they think is most effective to front their campaign to teens, what they think that person is worth paying, and you can choose to support them or not. All bizarre concepts for a socialist, I’m sure.
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April 10, 2011 10:08am
MyNameIsJack

To me, if a professed religion cannot provide proof of its claims, it is obvious nonsense.

Name me one religion that can produce its god. I’d love to shout him a beer and have a chat.
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April 10, 2011 10:09am
tristanb

These stupid business were ripped off by a dishonest employee. But the businesses will waste time trying to blame the bank for not informing them the particulars entered is not matched (this would have to be manually) against the account name.

Anyone who has ever used internet banking knows this. But the useless businesses start a law suit. What a waste of time. They need to admit their own mistakes, and stop finding excuses like every other loser (druggies, bludgers, criminals etc) in this country.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4868881/ASB-hit-by-civil-suit-as-anger-rises
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April 10, 2011 10:11am
cha

So paying Palin seven times more than was spent on actual programmes is most effective to front their campaign to teens?.
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April 10, 2011 10:13am
Dave Mann

@pongo – I understand your sentiment entirely, but I think that mobile phone prices here are a symptom of your place in the world rather than the driver. Compared to Australia NZ is tiny market and surely the price of phones and minutes is influenced by this, no? India is massive and their plans and hardware costings reflect this fact. I am often surprised that we get such good service from our telcos, given that we are a mountainous bush-clad country with almost no people in it.
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April 10, 2011 10:16am
Put it away

Cha do you have a problem with reading comprehension? They are not a grant-making foundation. The amount they spend on “actual programmes” is intended to be close to zero. They run media campaigns. That is their entire aim. Which part of this is too complicated for you:

We are an operating foundation rather than a grant-making foundation. The foundation develops and runs communication campaigns to raise awareness about, and motivate teens to prevent, teen pregnancy.
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April 10, 2011 10:19am
reid

Dave we get rorted in everything. Telecoms, ISP’s, electricity, dairy, you name it, we get rorted.

It’s the Kiwi way.

The way they do it in the mobile market is to put caps on everything. I mean, why. It doesn’t cost them anymore whether or not we have caps. They have to setup the infrastructure anyway. But the caps make them a fuckload of money. So they do it. And we take it.
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April 10, 2011 10:19am
MyNameIsJack

pia, I am well aware of the nature of Candies foundation – it is a front to enhance the brand image of a clothing company.

Re non grant making, well, in addition to paying Palin more than a quarter mil, they only paid out $165,000.00 in communication campaigns, aka advertising.

And I think they gotted ripped off there, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UyWKlxNAh30
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April 10, 2011 10:20am
cha

The tax return has been pulled but a screen shot shows $262.500 for program work and $165.00 for tv advertising and if that’s not troughing of the highest order then wtf is it?. And here’s a shot of the $35,000 in grants.
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April 10, 2011 10:31am
cha

$165,000.
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April 10, 2011 10:35am
MyNameIsJack

So come on folks,let’s all write to Ms Palin and tell her how chuffed we are.
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April 10, 2011 10:38am
Dave Mann

@reid – I’m going to in right out on a limb here (coz I’m actually philosophically more of a libertarian in many ways)…. But I don’t remember people complaining about the prices of phone services and electricity when these services were under state control, having been built by the citizens and run on a community basis. This sounds like utter heresy I know…. But are we any better off since Douglas siezed control of your country’s assets and sold them off wholesale to his mates?
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April 10, 2011 10:41am
Dale 08

I see Dr Ranginui Walker is upset about Master Chef contestants sitting on a table. Note to Dr Walker: Pants have been invented. I would have thought Dr Walker has better things in Maoridom to worry about.
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April 10, 2011 10:50am
backster

CHA….She is being paid what her employer thinks she is worth, and it’s their business not yours.
Dave Mann Your memory is defective. Phone prices were excessive and what service their was was deplorable. Electricity prices also rose steeply and the utilities were unprofitable. Labour sold them to improve efficiency.
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April 10, 2011 10:50am
Put it away

cha your first link goes nowhere. The second link to the $165,000 ( not $165.00 as you claim – problems with numeracy as well as literacy I see cha? ) seems to be selectively edited from the document. This one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FCLGRW_F9os/TZwmapKg6WI/AAAAAAAAIAc/TtEi0Fhd7pM/s1600/candies%2Bexpenses%2B2.jpg, also from an anti-palin site, gives the advertisign expenses as $218,000 and the public service expensesas $57, 589

“if that’s not troughing of the highest order then wtf is it?.”

Of course it’s not troughing. Troughing is taking public money that the taxpayer has no choice but to pay. This foundation’s money is freely given, and if anyone doesn’t like the way it’s spent, they don’t have to donate. Duh! Why is free choice of what other people do with their own money such a difficult concept to some people?
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April 10, 2011 10:52am
MyNameIsJack

pia, it’s not their money, it is donated money, and thus they are liable to be called to account and to be criticised.

If they don’t like the criticism, they can stop accepting donations and then use their own money.
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April 10, 2011 11:00am
Put it away

MyBrainOnCrack – more reading difficulty or just deliberately being obtuse? It’s obvious I’m referring to the donors when I say “Why is free choice of what other people do with their own money such a difficult concept to some people?” straight after “if anyone doesn’t like the way it’s spent, they don’t have to donate”.
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April 10, 2011 11:05am
Dave Mann

@baxter – no actually, the whole infrastructure of this country amazed the world in that it supplied first world services to a tiny country which by rights should not have been able to live at the level it did due to its distance away from its markets and its tiny population. Its an ideological fallacy to say that ‘governments can’t run (for example) railways’…. Our governments not only san them perfectly well on our behalf, but they actually built them too.
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April 10, 2011 11:05am
kaya

Why does the Herald insist on printing PR reports from real estate companies as though they were facts, rather than statistically manipulated spin to paint a rosy picture of the state of the real estate industry? Do they get paid a retainer?

Every other week there is a piece that says “Barfoot and Thompson managing director Peter Thompson said……..”
Of course he did!

House prices rise to record average

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10718305
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April 10, 2011 11:11am
MyNameIsJack

Makes no difference, pia. Donors still get to question the use of donations.

And Palin minor is still just a knocked up bimbo bludging her way through life, much like Palin major.
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April 10, 2011 11:12am
cha

Illiterate, innumerate, any more insults you’d like to add in your defence of the hypocrites from Wasilla. The original has been deleted so it seems they’re ashamed so they cover up the troughing.
BTW, the idiot from Wasilla lies.
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April 10, 2011 11:14am
MyNameIsJack

kaya, ever looked at a newspaper? Of course they get a retainer from real estate agents, all those house ads and features. They need each other.

Why did Fairfax pay so much for Trademe? Because the rivers of gold were moving from the printed page to the digital ad.
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April 10, 2011 11:15am
MyNameIsJack

Palin lies? Who knew?
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April 10, 2011 11:17am
Put it away

cha, you’ve clearly demonstrated that you have problems with numeracy and reading comprehension, that is a simple observation. If you are insulted by true statements about you, that’s your business.

Your reading comprehension is still letting you down. I have not defended Bristol Palin. All I’ve done is pointed out the dishonest methods used by her attackers here. I don’t agree with this campaign and I would not donate to it. Teen abstinence is doomed to fail for obvious reasons. What I do agree with is people’s right to run any campaign they like with their own money, and anyone can support it or not. You can criticise any campaign you don’t agree with, but your criticism needs to be honest. It is not honest to pretend it’s a scandal that they don’t donate much to practical programmes, because it is their stated aim not to, they are a media-only campaign. It is not honest to quote partial figures. So they paid $165,000 to the ABC TV network. Ok, what about the rest:

Print: Seventeen, Vibe, The Source, Blender, Teen Vogue, J14, Elle, InStyle, and Cosmopolitan
Broadcast: ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, and MTV
Online: AOL, MTV, The-N, MyYearbook.com, Seventeen.com, Black Planet.com, and perezhilton.com

Any of the anti-palin sites including those parts of the tax form? Why is the image always edited?
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April 10, 2011 11:30am
Viking2

General gossip. Behold Liberty.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10718328
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April 10, 2011 11:42am
kaya

Outstanding round by Rory McIlroy at the Masters. 4 shot lead going into the last round. 4 players tied for 2nd. Realistically his to lose but it is a huge amount of pressure for a 21 year old.

Go the wee man from Hollywood, Norn Iron!!!
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April 10, 2011 11:47am
Viking2

Kaya, because them’s the facts. And it will slowly roll out to Tauranga and Hamilton, is already moving in Wgtn. CHCH. well That’s a problem that is driving some of this increase in purchasing which by the way is still well below a “normal” level of sales required to maintain the community in a happy state. People are born grow up want a house, need a bigger house, need to move elsewhere, need a smaller house, need to move to a village and then die. Well that’s life, nothing new and the constant apart from food is shelter. No mystery there.
No mystery either to higher demand, demand for better, bigger and flasher.
No mystery to increasing land costs, increasing build costs.
What more can we say. Get with the program.
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April 10, 2011 11:48am
gravedodger

Jack @v10 09, that is a strange thing to say, read the ten commandments, It doesn’t mention welfare, idleness, sloth, drugs, entitlements, wealth confiscation and redistribution to the useless or any other vote buying rubbish that you and your socialist mates are so fond of as a way to the trough.
God would probably annoy you and your ilk with his ideas of self reliance, hard work (six days and no bloody 40 hour week, reward for enterprise, respect for others, care for the less fortunate and not as a lifestyle option, or any of the basic planks of a christian belief system that you and yours have subverted for political ends.
You would have a rabble of thugs with loud hailers shouting god down. Have a beer? rotflmto.
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April 10, 2011 12:30pm
magic bullet

oh – i can’t wait for the media-works/media-gate cover-up to start. Who will be left hung out to dry? Will there be a privileges committee inquiry? Can Key be trusted to tell us the truth on anything of importance ever again? Looks like the money trader may have completed the pump-and-dump cycle of the modern right wing head human resources manager of NZ Inc. Pump the value of the brand (National) up with claims of integrity, honesty and competence, then spend all the political capitol of the marketing campaign on slashes to the income of ordinary people, plus corporate welfare bribes. After a few years in opposition, they’re ready to do the same thing. John Key – he’ll pump you then dump you.
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April 10, 2011 12:34pm
Manolo

It wouldn’t be the first time comrade Brown doesn’t deliver, would it?

Bus pledge just ‘hot air’

Frustrated commuters have accused Auckland Mayor Len Brown of “hot air” over his pledge to improve public transport.
Passengers angry with overcrowding and delays on buses to the city centre reacted angrily to Brown’s statement last week that full services were a “hell of good problem to have”.

The Mayor’s office insisted the comment referred to a welcome increase in public transport patronage. But many passengers said Brown had ignored letters about their concerns.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10718289&ref=rss
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April 10, 2011 1:48pm
bhudson

magic bullet,

^^^ I think you should give up reading pamphlets and start on something of more substance
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April 10, 2011 2:06pm
Viking2

Five Northland hopefuls

Sunday, 10, Apr, 2011 12:07PM

The National Party has named five hopefuls who want to run in John Carter’s Northland electorate.

Mr Carter is retiring at the end of the current Parliament. He has been an MP since 1987.

The five nominees are Sarah Davies, Matt King, Ken Rintoul, Mike Sabin and Mark Tan. They now have to undergo a selection process, and local party delegates will choose the candidate at the end of the month.
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April 10, 2011 2:08pm
MyNameIsJack

gravedodger (730) Says:

April 10th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Jack @v10 09, that is a strange thing to say,

, which bit do you find strange?

read the ten commandments, It doesn’t mention welfare, idleness, sloth, drugs, entitlements, wealth confiscation and redistribution to the useless or any other vote buying rubbish that you and your socialist mates are so fond of as a way to the trough.

Yep, read ’em, nothing in there about not buggering choirboys, either. Guess that’s why catholic priests think its ok. Good thing we have secular law to protect the wek, and don’t have to rely on god.

And anyway, where in 10 commmandments is proof of god? And why stop at 10? Guess Moses could only count on his fingers, good thing he wasn’t a cartoon character then. Which 2 do you reckon he’d leave off?
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April 10, 2011 2:10pm
Viking2

Imagine these suckers falling over in 40knots of breeze and a 7.4

Turbine consents sought

Sunday, 10, Apr, 2011 6:47AM

Meridian Energy wants to build a wind farm north of Christchurch, which could power around 31 thousand homes.

It has lodged an application to put up 33 turbines, the tallest of which would be just over 130 metres high.

They would be on the eastern side of State Highway 1 between Omihi and Greta village, more than 60 kilometres north of Christchurch. There would also be an operations and maintenance building, plus earthworks for a roading network.

Submissions on the proposal can be made to Hurunui District Council until May 24th.
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April 10, 2011 2:12pm
Yvette

“Greenpeace is claiming a victory over a Brazilian oil giant looking to investigate deep-sea oil drilling off the East Cape.
[ … ]
The flotilla was supported by East Cape iwi Te Whanau a Apanui, which said the company had no right to be in the waters that lie east of their tribal lands.
”This is not a protest,” iwi spokesman Rikirangi Gage said.
”This is an act of defence of our ancestral lands and waters that have sustained us for generations.” “
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April 10, 2011 3:38pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this folks?

(Probably not.

You are just SO lucky to have me bringing news from alternative sources that you would be unlikely to ever hear about? 🙂

A recent post by my friend and fellow ‘investigate activist’ Jane Burgermeister, from Austria, who played such an internationally significant role in exposing the $WINE FLU SCAM:

birdflu666.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/almost-every-second-doctor-in-germany-belonged-to-nazi-party-killed-100s-of-1000s-of-germans-says-study/

Almost every second doctor in Germany belonged to Nazi Party, killed 100s of 1000s of Germans, says study
Quantcast

– 45% of doctors in Germany belonged to Nazi Party, says study

– Doctors were involved in the murder of 300,000 Germans in hospitals and psychiatric institutions and in a programme of forced sterilisation of 400,000 people from 1934 onwards

– Germany’s Robert Koch Institute, which promoted the swine flu jab, played a key role in Nazi medical crimes

Almost every second doctor in Germany – or 45% — belonged to the Nazi Party, according to a new study commissioned by German Chamber of Doctors.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article12942798/Fast-jeder-zweite-Arzt-war-Mitglied-der-NSDAP.html#

Doctors were involved in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Germans as part of Nazi government programmes.

300,000 Germans were murdered in pyschiatric institutions and hospitals alone.

Another 400,000 people were sterilised by force from 1934 onwards by doctors working for government health offices such as in Jever, Friesland.

http://www.abendblatt.de/region/norddeutschland/article153832/Nazi-Akten-ueber-Zwangssterilisationen-auf-Dachboden-entdeckt.html

In addition, doctors conducted experiments against concentration camp inmates, infecting them with various diseases.

At the end of the second world war only a tiny fraction of the doctors who actively participated in euthanasia, human experiments and eugenics and the murder of concentration camp victims by medical means were put on trial on the Nuremberg Doctor’s Trial in 1946.

The Robert Koch Institute, founded in 1891 and with strong links to the chemical and pharmaceutical industry, played a central role in the Nazi medical crimes, but continues to be the central federal institution responsible for disease control and prevention.

The Robert Koch Institute hyped the mild swine flu virus into a pandemic and recommended swine flu jabs when there was verifiable evidence that it would cause damage.

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article900749/Robert_Koch_Institut_unterstuetzte_Nazi_Gewalttaten.html

http://www.aerztezeitung.de/politik_gesellschaft/article/646606/nationalsozialismus-aerzte-beteiligt.html ….. ”

I’m sure you will find a LOT of internationally significant ‘breaking’ news on Jane’s blog: birdflu666.wordpress.com

– as opposed to goldfish ‘breaking wind’?

Ohhhh!

That’s where all those goldfish ‘bubbles’ come from! 🙂

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 10, 2011 3:44pm
reid

Hooton and Bradford on Monday Politics talking about peak oil etc.

Pick it up at about 9:20 then listen. Matthew for some reason calls them left-wing nutbars at some point and Katherine doesn’t like that at all. It’s quite funny. Of course Hooton is correct, absolutely correct, and Bradford snorts derisively at one point “he’s so far to the right it’s not funny.”

Newsflash Sue: It’s you who are to the left. This whole country’s centre of political gravity is so far left of centre it’s not funny. I guarantee that any psychographic political data which allowed cross-country comparison would see NZ as exceedingly left wing at the mainstream point in the data distributions. I’d just love to know how much it is cause until we as a country fix this, we ARE fucked. Hooton is right. 100%
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April 10, 2011 4:27pm
Put it away

Immunisation conspiracy? Check. Tick another box on the loon list for Penny. What’s next, UFOs? JFK? Don’t keep us in suspense…
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April 10, 2011 4:32pm
publicwatchdog

# Put it away (1,629) Says:
April 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

Immunisation conspiracy? Check. Tick another box on the loon list for Penny. What’s next, UFOs? JFK? Don’t keep us in suspense…”

Ok ‘Put it away’ – you want to show your profound ignorance on yet another topic?

Made a total dick of yourself on the 9/11 issue and now you want to do the same on the $WINE FLU SCAM?

You have been warned…………. (I had a LOT to do with this issue, both nationally and internationally – you start it and again – I will finish it.)

FILL YOUR BOOTS! 🙂

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Some background information for those who didn’t know that in 2009 the ‘$WINES INVENTED FLU’ and it was a huge (and dangerous) international scam.

As usual – just follow the money ………………………

proliberty.com/observer/20091217.htm

WHO ‘Swine Flu Pope’ under investigation for gross conflict of interest

The man with the nickname “Dr Flu”, Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the 2009 worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.
by F. William Engdahl

Earlier this year the Second Chamber of the Netherlands Parliament undertook an investigation into alleged conflicts of interest and financial improprieties of the well-known viroloist Dr. Albert Osterhaus. Outside of Holland and the Dutch media, the only reference to the sensational investigation into Osterhaus’ business affairs showed up in the British journal, Science.

Osterhaus’s credentials and expertise in his field were not in question.
What is in question, according to the short report published by Science, are his links to corporate interests that stand to potentially profit from the swine flu pandemic. Science carried the following brief note in its October 16 2009 issue about Osterhaus:

“For the past 6 months, one could barely switch on the television in the Netherlands without seeing the face of famed virus hunter Albert Osterhaus talking about the swine flu pandemic. Or so it has seemed. Osterhaus, who runs an internationally renowned virus lab at Erasmus Medical Center, has been Mr. Flu. But last week, his reputation took a nosedive after it was alleged that he has been stoking pandemic fears to promote his own business interests in vaccine development. As Science went to press, the Dutch House of Representatives had even slated an emergency debate about the matter.”1

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 10, 2011 4:49pm
Manolo

The Luddite eco-terrorists strike:

Greenpeace disrupts survey

Greenpeace says activists aboard the five-strong flotilla of vessels opposing deep sea oil drilling have disrupted seismic testing by the Brazilian oil giant Petrobras in Bay of Plenty waters. Swimmers with large visible buoys bearing flags with the message Stop Deep Sea Oil are in the water in front of the oil survey ship Orient Explorer and diverting the ship from its course.

The exploration work is opposed by Greenpeace and by te Whanau a Apanui, whose spokesperson Rikirangi Gage says his group has not given permission for Petrobras to be in these waters. He says today’s activity is not a protest but a defence of ancestral lands and waters.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=194253
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April 10, 2011 5:00pm
Put it away

“Outside of Holland and the Dutch media, the only reference to the sensational investigation into Osterhaus’ business affairs showed up in the British journal, Science.”

Sorry I don’t speak Dutch, and the Science article is subscription only. Given that the only information available in English comes from loons, this is a non-starter.
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April 10, 2011 5:05pm
Put it away

Some more gems from the loon site Penny not-particularly-Bright cites for her 4:49 immunisation conspiracy theory post…

mind control waves that put voices in peoples’ heads – http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20100412.htm

article about the Gold Standard that takes the Protocols of Zion seriously…http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20100408.htm

The “real puprose of the census” – to install microchips in everyone. http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20100413.htm

Saving the best for last: Obama is “born of the seed of Michael Rockefeller and DNA extracted from the sarcophagus of Cleopatra, former two-time Queen of Egypt. There is overwhelming evidence that the technologies to create such a creature existed in Austria as far back as 1926, and was accomplished by 1952. Rockefeller’s faked disappearance in 1961, the alleged year that BHO was born, itself, a sequence of implausible events and cover ups, was designed to prevent anyone from ever learning the truth about available technologies and how those technologies were being used. ” http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20100405.htm
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April 10, 2011 5:37pm
Rodders

Tonights TVNZ poll.

National 54%
Labour 34%
Greens 6%
New Zealand First 2.7%
Maori Party 1.4%
Act 1.1%

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/national-well-ahead-but-labour-survives-scandal-4110092

I won’t be surprised if Penny and the other Winston apologists claim that this poll spells doom for National.
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April 10, 2011 6:50pm
Steve

Kaya at 9.52am.
“Abu Dhabi Do” Yeah it went into cyberspace, those here at the time of the comment would have no idea of a joke.
Try this, and I expect nothing coz no humour:
Far away in the tropical waters of the Caribbean, two prawns were
swimming around in the sea – one called Justin and the other called
Christian. The prawns were constantly being harassed and threatened by
sharks that inhabited the area.

Finally one day Justin said to Christian, “I’m fed up with being a
prawn, I wish I was a shark, then I wouldn’t have any worries about
being eaten.”

A large mysterious cod appeared and said, “Your wish is granted”, and
lo
and behold, Justin turned into a shark.
Horrified, Christian immediately swam away, afraid of being eaten by
his old mate.

Time passed (as it invariably does) and Justin found life as a shark
boring and lonely. All his old mates simply swam away whenever he came
close to them. Justin didn’t realise that his new menacing appearance
was the cause of his sad plight.

While swimming alone one day he saw the mysterious cod again and he
thought perhaps the mysterious fish could change him back into a prawn.

He approached the cod and begged to be changed back, and, lo and
behold,
he found himself turned back into a prawn. With tears of joy in his
tiny
little eyes Justin swam back to his friends and bought them all a
cocktail. (The punch line does not involve a prawn cocktail – it’s much
worse).

Looking around the gathering at the reef he realised he couldn’t see
his
old pal. “Where’s Christian?” he asked. “He’s at home, still distraught
that his best friend changed sides to the enemy and became a shark”,
came the reply.
Eager to put things right again and end the mutual pain and torture, he
set off to Christian’s abode. As he opened the coral gate memories came
flooding back. He banged on the door and shouted, “It’s me, Justin,
your
old friend, come out and see me again”

Christian replied, “No way man, you’ll eat me. You’re now a shark, the
enemy, and I’ll not be tricked into being your dinner. ” Justin cried
back “No, I’m not. That was the old me. I’ve changed.”…………….
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “I’ve found Cod. I’m a prawn again Christian”.
>>>
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April 10, 2011 7:48pm
Hurf Durf

Jackoff is Paul Piesse, is he not? He has his own Wikipedia article. Here is a photo. Who would have thought such lumberjack styling could harbour such fierce hatred?

Piesse was elected President of the Alliance Party at the 2007 national conference held in Dunedin. In the 2008 elections he contested the Christchurch East electorate and was number 4 on the Alliance Party list. He fared poorly, coming eighth with only 119 votes.[1] The Alliance also did badly, winning only 0.08% of the party vote nationwide.[2]

Wow, your failure compared to Palin’s millions must really chafe. “I coulda been a contender!” you must wail to yourself every night before you tire yourself to sleep. I think it’s the beard. If I had that beard, I’d be permanently angry at the neocon-neolib-Zionist-Christofascist conspiracy too.
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April 10, 2011 9:05pm
kaya

Steve – arrrggghhhhh!

Can you help?

Zebo, a half blind five year old south African orphan, has to ride 7 miles a day to school with only one leg on a bicycle with buckled wheels and no brakes. Give just a small donation of 2 dollars and we’ll send you the video, it’s f*cking hilarious….
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April 10, 2011 9:07pm
nasska

A Hurricanes fan walks past Video Ezy & sees an ad for “The Hurricanes – The Glory Years”.
He goes into the shop and asks how much it is.
“$100” says the assistant.
“That’s a bit steep, how come it’s so dear ??”
“Well its a tenner for the tape and $90 for the Betamax recorder!”
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April 10, 2011 9:18pm
reid

Good luck on this demand from the Russians. I’m sure that will happen.
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April 10, 2011 9:18pm
kaya

Reid – you can’t fail to be impressed with how far we’ve evolved as a species. It’s barely a thousand years since the first primitive gun was invented. Amazing really.
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April 10, 2011 9:28pm
reid

Yes it is amazing kaya but I can’t help recalling Einstein’s observation that science seems to have outstripped man’s ability to utilize it for the betterment of humanity.

We continue to see this with the patenting of the human genome by big pharma and genetic engineering producing suicide seeds simply so that Monsanto has the seed monopoly across vast swathes of the earth. And this is happening, today, at the same time we continue to spend trillions worldwide on weapons systems.

It’s a pincer attack.
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April 10, 2011 9:42pm
kaya

reid – I’m having my tongue surgically removed from my cheek next Wednesday…… 🙂

On a more exciting note, I just picked this up on the BBC site:

Icelanders have rejected the latest plan to repay the UK and Netherlands some 4bn euros lost when the country’s banking system collapsed in 2008.

The “no” camp said the Icelandic taxpayer was under no legal obligation to pay for a private bank’s losses and that the deal would put a heavy burden on the nation.

I had thought (and hoped) Ireland would have told the financiers to get fucked but they rolled over. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Hopefully it starts a trend that shows this mickey mouse monetary system up for the Ponzi scheme it is.
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April 10, 2011 9:50pm
kaya

Re the guns stuff, if as much money and effort had been put into developing energy systems and health issues it would be interesting to know where we might be today.
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