General Debate 9 March 2011

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Shunda barunda

Ah Har!!
rrrrrrrrrr me hearties!
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March 9, 2011 9:14am
Yvette

“Knowing that some iwi have openly stated they intend charging the public for access to their coast, the Coastal Coalition questioned whether the bill really does guarantee “free” access. After much abuse the Minister agreed an amendment was needed – but after six months, we are still waiting to see the wording!
To maintain the free and unfettered access to the coast enjoyed by generations of Kiwis, free access should include free vehicle access as well. However, when asked at a recent public meeting whether free access would include free vehicle access, Chris Finlayson refused to answer.

So, have we now seen the wording?
All I’ve seen is that Homer Harawira didn’t vote for it, whatever it was.
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March 9, 2011 9:14am
Chuck Bird

On behalf of Penguin Books and the Sensible Sentencing Trust I would like to invite you to our book launch and signing, details below and attached.

Friday, 11th March

6.00 pm for 6.30 pm start

BIRKENHEAD LIBRARY

Cnr Hinemoa & Rawene Streets

Gold coin koha for

Birkenhead Friends of the Library

Refreshments will be provided

RSVP to:

Sharron Cleghorn at Birkenhead Library

ph (09) 486 8552, or sharronc@shorelibraries.govt.nz

Kind Regards
Garth McVicar

For more details and a book review

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1085
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March 9, 2011 9:32am
Manolo

For those who still believe Labour-lite is the political party of lower taxes.
So much for the false promises spouted by Key and minions during the 2008 election campaign.

Petrol heading for record high

Petrol prices could rise to record levels within days, according to the head of New Zealand’s largest fuel company.
All major fuel companies raised the price of 91 octane petrol by five cents to 215.9c a litre yesterday.

It was the third price increase faced by motorists in eight days, with regular unleaded now just 3c a litre below its record high of 218.9c, hit briefly in July 2008.

Though the price of crude oil is still US$30 a barrel below the record of 2008, the exchange rate is lower and tax rates higher, with the Government adding 13 cents a litre in higher ACC levies, carbon costs, GST and excise tax since 2008.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4745822/Petrol-heading-for-record-high
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March 9, 2011 9:38am
Johnboy

To mark yesterdays fine announcement and for the delectation of the one or two wot are truly cultured on this fine blog I have penned a little ditty.

(With apologies to Totalspan and inspiration from Nookin)

When you need a Governor General for our shaky little land
And you want to cheer the people by appointing someone grand
Who can be a proper leader of our many cultured band
Who can? Jerry can!

When you need a man who looks good in a sword and feathered hat
It’s no good if you pick one who is rather short and fat
If you do you’ll find Paul Henry will soon have you on the mat
Who can you find who looks more like a real New Zealand man?
Who can? Jerry can!

In these troubled times around us it soon may come to pass
That you’ll be glad you chose a Governor who was a member of the SAS
Who can we trust when the chips are down to really kick some ass
Who can? Jerry can!

When you need the Governor General to host a sumptuous feast
It looks so bad if you appoint an uncultured beast
Who can we find who’s hosted many a regimental dinner?
Who can become our newly crowned vice – regal winner?
Who can? Jerry can!
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March 9, 2011 9:40am
Brian Smaller

@Johnboy – I enjoyed that. Brought a smile to my face.

And I needed it after reading that Justice Joseph Williams said to a man who had broken a 2 year old baby’s ribs so that his lungs were punctured and then kicked him twice so hard that his spleen split against his spine “You did a monstrous thing, but I do not think you are a monster”
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March 9, 2011 9:47am
Murray

Book launch of… what? We assume book but does it have a title?

Small yet important detail Chuck.

Brain this will come as a shock but what do you know there’s a judge I dissagree with.
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March 9, 2011 9:51am
gazzaj

Can anyone explain why bailing out Mediaworks to the tune of $43m is a good idea?

[DPF: Never believe the headline. They are merely paying for a 20 year licence over five years instead of one]
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March 9, 2011 9:52am
Murray

Freaken great idea if you’re mediaworks gazzi. Its all in the viewpoint.
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March 9, 2011 9:53am
Manolo

Can anyone explain why bailing out Mediaworks to the tune of $43m is a good idea?

Was Steven Joyce, former radio man himself, anywhere near this decision? 🙂
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March 9, 2011 9:55am
Chuck Bird

Murray, the title is “Justice: Speaking Up for Crime’s Silent Victims”

For more detail of the book launch

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1085

For a book review

http://www.penguin.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=30233&ID=2030172&SID=622826637
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March 9, 2011 10:03am
Murray

Thanks Chuck, much more interesting now.
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March 9, 2011 10:05am
Manolo

Corporate welfare, crony capitalism. You can call it the name you prefer.
I look forward to the day the IRD and the government of the day treat their citizens with the same leniency. Yeah right.
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March 9, 2011 10:06am
Murray

Shunda ITLAP Day is in September.
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March 9, 2011 10:07am
mikeysmokes

Fuck that Chuck. McVicar is a liar and a hypocrite, his book will be good for nothing but lighting the evening fire
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March 9, 2011 10:10am
Manolo

R.B. singles out three of Parata’s latest and greatest “achievements”:

1) ACC Associate Minister Hekia Parata will tomorrow launch a scooter safety campaign which aims to get young riders to cover up to reduce their risk of injury. “A lot of young people are riding scooters wearing light clothing, such as teeshirts, shorts and jandals,” says Ms Parata.

2) A rise in domestic violence is likely to add to Christchurch’s misery, says the Minister of Women’s Affairs Hon Hekia Parata. Ms Parata urged those at a breakfast she hosted at Parliament this morning to mark 100 years of International Women’s Day, to be prepared for an increase in violence following last month’s devastating earthquake.

3) Disabled women may be at greater risk of domestic violence than other New Zealanders, says the Minister of Women’s Affairs Hon Hekia Parata. Ms Parata was speaking at the launch of a booklet Domestic Violence and Disabled People in Auckland today, which is the centennial of International Women’s Day. “International research shows that women with disabilities are much more likely to suffer from domestic violence than other women.”

http://truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/general-debate-090311/
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March 9, 2011 10:17am
Chuck Bird

At least he does not hide behind pseudonym. What do you do to reduce crime or do you agree with the judge who does not think the scum bag who murdered the toddler is not a monster?
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March 9, 2011 10:22am
bananapants

Is the media going to highlight Steven (Party-Boy) Joyce’s conflict of interest in regards to the Mediaworks bailout?
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March 9, 2011 10:22am
Longknives

Don’t waste your breath Chuck, Mikey was absolutely salivating over some ‘heroic’ gang members he saw once at a restaurant on a recent thread…the point may be lost on him…
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March 9, 2011 10:29am
Murray

Well mikey has convinced me with his well evidenced and reasoned argument.
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March 9, 2011 10:30am
Manolo

Even his own troops are blaming the Messiah for his lack of leadership on budget matters.

Obama Has ‘Failed to Lead’ on Spending Cuts, Democratic Senator Says

Freshman Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin accused President Obama of sitting on the sidelines Tuesday while Congress debates “wildly different” budget bills that are expected to fail.

“Our president has failed to lead this debate or offer a serious proposal for spending and cuts that he would be willing to fight for,” Manchin, D-W.Va., said on the Senate floor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/08/obama-failed-lead-spending-cuts-democratic-senator-says/
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March 9, 2011 10:31am
grumpyoldhori

Key to face an over from Warne, wrong bowler, it should be leaders of NZ political parties face an over each from Bond.
With Hide being a short arse Bond will not be able to bowl short at all, still nothing like the sound of leather on wood as Hide is hit on his slaphead.
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March 9, 2011 10:38am
gazzaj

DPF: Never believe the headline. They are merely paying for a 20 year licence over five years instead of one]

That’s true, but they’re being given the opportunity to do so because they’re unable to pay the lump sum. A private company should be able to raise the money privately – taxpayers shouldn’t have to give them any breaks. If part-owners Goldman Sachs and BNZ can’t organise that kind of loan for Mediaworks, that raises some serious questions about their finances – again, NZ taxpayers shouldn’t be lending money to an organisation deemed too risky by private lenders.

In addition to all this, the result is that we’re propping up one half of a duopoly – the direct result of this decision is that it stifles competition. There’s plenty of independent players out there who would jump to fill the gaps of a Mediaworks radio fire sale.

I just can’t see any benefit in this to anyone other than Mediaworks shareholders, and I’d expect better from National (I’d expect better from Labour too, but it’s even worse coming from the centre-right).
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March 9, 2011 10:48am
gazzmaniac

Pauline Hansen is back! Running for the NSW upper house. Methinks she might do OK if she’s in the right electorate.

gazzaj – almost every other government charge is paid annually, why shouldn’t a broadcast license be? 20 years is a long time to pay for something in advance.
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March 9, 2011 10:53am
gazzaj

gazzmaniac, if they changed the law to make radio frequency licenses annual, for everyone, that’d be cool. But this is an ad-hoc change, just to help Mediaworks (and a few others).

I assume the point of a 20-year license is to give enough time to recoup the investment, and it’s paid upfront so there’s no risk to the taxpayer.

The basic problem is that Mediaworks is unable to raise more private financing – why should taxpayers assume the risk that private lenders are unwilling to take on?
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March 9, 2011 11:00am
gazzmaniac

gazzaj – why not? If it’s a choice of either getting the money in installments (including 11% interest which is well above the commercial rate) or getting no money at all and hundreds of people losing their jobs, it’s a bit of a no brainer isn’t it? The article states that the scheme was implemented in 2009 so its’s been available to all the other broadcasters too.
Put it another way – if you or your business had a big bill coming up for 20 years of a service that you have to pay for in advance, would you approach the supplier and suggest that although you can’t pay all 20 years’ worth right now, you’d be happy to pay more, in installments, while remaining in credit to the services they provide, or would you just let your business fold?
It’s really making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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March 9, 2011 11:07am
jackp

So, have we now seen the wording?
All I’ve seen is that Homer Harawira didn’t vote for it, whatever it was.

Yvette, Hone won’t vote for the bill because he thinks Maori owns the foreshore and seabed as we speak. Hone is a red herring because Finlayson HAS lowered the bar for Maori elite to gain title of the foreshore and seabed. To keep Hone’s story alive in the news media it hides Key’s and Finlayson’s spinning about this bill. There is no “free” in the bill nor will there be. Also, on talk radio, Key was interviewed by layton smith(not sure) but the question was asked why Key supports this bill. Key’s reply was ” if we (National) do not change the current law, someone else will.” That’s it, absolutely no reasoning behind that other than Key is in a race to put himself in the advantage. It is all political and $$$$. The taxpayer by the way has to pay for the all the litigation iwi put against the crown. Key had a mandate to rid the Maori seats but he is doing the exact opposite. Bait and switch Key. A true liar.
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March 9, 2011 11:43am
gazzaj

Sure, if it was a private supplier, it’d be completely normal. But it’s not – it’s the government, distributing radio frequency licenses. There should be a level playing field for all, and no special treatment. In the private sector special treatment is fine.

That 11% rate makes it worse, not better – that means that Mediaworks can’t raise cash at any less than 11%. If I was the supplier (which I sort of am) I’d be very cautious about lending them money.

I can see why you might think it’s not a big deal… but it’s basically the government actively supporting the duopoly in radio. Surely we should be encouraging competition, or at the very least not propping up a less competitive structure. It’s not so bad in the Energy sector, say, where a lot of the excess profits come back via SOE’s – but in this case all we’re doing is reducing the losses of foreign investors.
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March 9, 2011 11:47am
Nookin

Johnboy
Brilliant.
Glad to be of help. Please donate my share of the royalties to Red Cross
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March 9, 2011 12:02pm
minto57

The Edifice which is the Marine and Coastal Area Bill is the gateway to pass laws and the erosion of freedom of movement followed by the privitisation of the seashore.(why have the Chums Beach owners changed thier mind)
How the National Party thinks it is promoting justice by this Apartheid bullshit beggars belief.
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March 9, 2011 1:23pm
Manolo

How the National Party thinks it is promoting justice by this Apartheid bullshit beggars belief.

Indeed.

This dirty deal is done in the name of political expediency and to secure the votes of the racist Maori Party. So much for the transparecy loudly proclaimed by smile-and-wave Key while he was leader of the opposition.

A bogus, counterfit, lying politician is what we got as Prime Minister.
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March 9, 2011 1:42pm
Manolo

It also reads well if you replace Cuba with New Zealand. 🙂

(Reuters) – Cuba’s program to slash 500,000 state jobs nationwide has barely gotten off the ground in the provinces, as officials scramble to provide alternatives and deal with unease and anger over the layoffs.

Confusion about how to implement the cuts, a lack of alternative jobs and worker resistance have led President Raul Castro to drop a deadline to carry out the plan by March.

The layoffs, aimed at cutting expenditures by the debt-ridden government and increasing productivity on the Caribbean’s biggest island, are a key part of economic reforms Castro says are critical to the survival of Cuban communism.
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March 9, 2011 2:13pm
gazzmaniac

gazzaj – I know I’ll never convince you (and I suspect you’re a Labour troll anyway) but in essence what the government has done is ensure that they will get some money when otherwise there would be none. Even if they miss a payment, they will still be better off than if they’d just cancelled Mediaworks’ licenses forthwith – they can still cancel the licenses if they miss a payment. The offer was also available to other players in the market but there is no information in the article linked to suggest whether anyone else has used the offer. To me it seems like a good business deal, and I’d rather have the duopoly than the monopoly that would have resulted had MediaWorks not been granted its licences.
To reiterate, the government has not lent MediaWorks anything, they have let them use a payment schedule to pay for services that cost the government nothing to provide, some of which won’t be supplied for 20 years. I don’t see how that is any different to the IRD allowing someone to pay their tax off, because they can’t afford to pay it all right now.

If you’re that worried about competition you could always raise some funds to start your own station. I feel obliged to point out that New Zealand is far better served by radio than is Australia, where there are virtually no rock stations and every station is either a teeny bopper station or a “classic hits” style family/local station. I don’t expect you’ll make any money unless you think of something that hasn’t been done yet. In NZ there are two nationwide rock stations (The Rock and Hauraki) and another that plays a lot of classic rock (Solid Gold), whereas on the Gold Coast (with a population larger than Christchurch) there are none – the nearest is TripleM in Brisbane which you can’t pick up where I live. It is a lot cheaper in NZ to buy a license and to advertise on radio (one suspects that is a result of of over-regulation in Australia) and the market is highly fragmented (there is no one radio station that is on in both Brisbane and the Gold Coast, save for the Federal Government’s ABC channels). It is great travelling in NZ – you can listen to one station (I prefer The Rock but it works with many if not all of the nationwide stations) and when you get to the edge of the broadcast area you just wait till a song is playing and pick up the same song on the frequency for the next town. You can listen to the same radio show from New Plymouth all the way to Wellington and back up to Napier while only missing a few seconds when you have to change frequencies (I did that about a month ago).

In short, I can see your point but I think you’re wrong.
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March 9, 2011 2:37pm
Manolo

The unraveling of the Messiah’s health care plan. If so good, why do they need to grant exceptions?

Maine gets break in federal health care overhaul

The federal government Tuesday granted Maine a waiver of a key provision in President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, citing the likelihood that enforcement could destabilise the state’s market for individual health insurance.

The U.S. Health and Human Services department said in a letter it would waive the requirement that insurers spend 80 to 85 cents of every premium dollar on medical care and quality improvement. Instead, the letter said, the state could maintain its 65% standard for three years, with the caveat that HHS intends to review the figures after two years.

The decision makes Maine the first state to receive a waiver of the requirement. Similar requests are pending from Kentucky, Nevada and New Hampshire.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41978227
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March 9, 2011 2:59pm
mikeysmokes

ChuckBird, Murray, LongKnives We all know that McVicar is a liar and a hypocrite who advocates only the victims of crime that fit his agenda.
Where was McVicars concern for the victim of David Garretts crime?
You ask me what I do to reduce crime, what I dont do is endorse criminals and hide behind the shroud of name suppression like these hypocrites do
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March 9, 2011 4:09pm
mikeysmokes

Longknives your clearly a dickhead
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March 9, 2011 4:12pm
Manolo

Madness galore. Could this be the problem with the U.S. Army?

US military ‘too white, too male’

Washington – The US military is too white and too male at the top and needs to change recruiting and promotion policies and lift its ban on women in combat, an independent report for Congress said on Monday.

Seventy-seven percent of senior officers in the active-duty military are white, while only 8% are black, 5% are Hispanic and 16% are women, the report by an independent panel said, quoting data from September 2008.

One barrier that keeps women from the highest ranks is their inability to serve in combat units. Promotion and job opportunities have favoured those with battlefield leadership credentials.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/US-military-too-white-too-male-20110308

Hat Tip: Crusader Rabbit
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March 9, 2011 4:31pm
voice of reason

Apologies if this has been posted before – but a prophetic doco on ChCh earthquake susceptibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkTy6ogLDX8&feature=player_embedded
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March 9, 2011 4:33pm
Pete George

Ken Ring didn’t pick this one – Earthquake shakes northern Japan – 7.2 followed by 6.3 aftershock.
That wasn’t moonstruck.
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March 9, 2011 4:38pm
OctagonGrappler

Lincoln tan writes this about botany by election. It seems the chinese love identity politics and are loyal to china and not nz

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lincoln-tan/news/article.cfm?a_id=308&objectid=10710631

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/chinese-in-nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=147&objectid=10536584

But then Raymond Huo denounces paul henry and states the chinese hearts are all in NZ

http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/10/12/paul-henry-inspires-chinese-alumni

So what is the reality who Is correct Lincoln or Raymond or are they both pro china.
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March 9, 2011 5:49pm
Longknives

Loving your work Mikey!
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March 9, 2011 8:12pm
nickb

Can we show our judges this? I like! Especially the end 5 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE
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March 9, 2011 8:19pm
Johnboy

Five years probation seems a bit harsh nickb.

If I’d been the Judge I’d have given him a good citizen citation and a voucher for a free box of ammo in the caliber of his choice. 🙂
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March 9, 2011 8:26pm
cha

Masterbaiter’s felcher in chief likes summary execution, nice.
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March 9, 2011 8:29pm
nickb

kiwiblog’s prize commie turd comes out of hiding.
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March 9, 2011 8:31pm
Johnboy

You are just pissed cause we have never invited you round for a bit of snowballing cha. 🙂
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March 9, 2011 8:33pm
Viking2

gazzaj (101) Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am

I just can’t see any benefit in this to anyone other than Mediaworks shareholders, and I’d expect better from National (I’d expect better from Labour too, but it’s even worse coming from the centre-right).

Exuse me gazza, but when in the last40 years has National been centre right?
Please tell us all.
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March 9, 2011 8:49pm
cha

edit: wont work on KB.
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March 9, 2011 9:04pm
Viking2

mikeysmokes (251) Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

Where was McVicars concern for the victim of David Garretts crime?

Where was there any victim is the more pertinent question? To be victim one would need to be a living person or one deceased from the actions of another.
It defies logic to say a person dead from natural causes for many years could suddenly become a victim. A victim of what we would ask? Violent offense, murder, rape or what. Stolen identity. Well never had an identity only a name and a grave. End of story and before you run off at the mouth and start going on about the baby’s parents they were really victims of the bureaucracy and the media. Had nothing been said then no one to this day would have been emotionally scarred for life so you could tell them they were a victim and should apply to ACC for a psychiatrist and 10 years treatment, nor would they or you be any the wiser. Which you are not anyway. Wise I mean.

On the basis that there was no victim of any lind that was harmed by another person then McVicar has no one to concern himself over.
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March 9, 2011 9:12pm
Viking2

Customary Title Or Freehold Title?
Wednesday, 9 March 2011, 5:30 pm
Press Release: ACT

Attorney-General Chris Finlayson should come clean and call a spade a spade – if the Government envisions customary marine title over the foreshore and seabed to be equivalent to freehold title, then it should simply go ahead and call it freehold title, ACT Deputy Leader John Boscawen said today.

“In Parliament today I asked Mr Finlayson what sort of commercial benefits customary marine title-holders would be able to derive under the amended Clause 63 of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill,” Mr Boscawen said.

“Mr Finlayson responded: ‘basically the same sorts of commercial benefits that those who hold a freehold title are able to enjoy’.

“This is yet another example of the devil being in the detail of this Bill. Rather than coming straight out and telling New Zealanders what this Bill will mean, the Government prefers to use legislative smoke and mirrors to confound the public.

“Chris Finlayson should have been honest from the start and told the nation that he intended customary title to carry the same commercial benefits as freehold title.,” Mr Boscawen said.
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March 9, 2011 9:15pm
cha

Well never had an identity only a name and a grave.

Yeah, silly parents got all offended over nothing really.
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March 9, 2011 9:18pm
Johnboy

“Chris Finlayson should have been honest from the start and told the nation that he intended customary title to carry the same commercial benefits as freehold title.,” Mr Boscawen said.

He also should have been honest from the start and told us all who his husband is.

After all Chrissy and Helen did. 🙂
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March 9, 2011 9:21pm
mikeysmokes

So why did Garrett need Name Suppression? Name Suppression that McVicar fights against?
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