General Debate 29 March 2011

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slightlyrighty

First?
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March 29, 2011 8:02am
pdm

Gotcha from London for probably the last time. Back in NZ on the 12 April.
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March 29, 2011 8:02am
pdm

Bugger – wasted.
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March 29, 2011 8:03am
Murray

It was a line call. Tough luck.
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March 29, 2011 8:08am
3-coil

Can anybody explain why the media (including TVNZ, TV3, National Radio) consistently refer to the 18 year old involved in the Darren Hughes sex scandal as an “18 year old man” – while the 19 year old shot by police yesterday is still a “teenager”?
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March 29, 2011 8:22am
wreck1080

Christchurch earthquake – filing your income tax return.

It will be impossible for a lot of businesses to file their income tax returns.

I wonder, if the IRD will handle those cases?
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March 29, 2011 8:27am
Rodders

@wreck1080 – http://www.ird.govt.nz/earthquake/cq-earthquake/
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March 29, 2011 8:32am
Murray

Because the police are bad and gay left wing politicians are good 3-coil. Didn’t you get the memo.

Seriously these concepts are so ingrained that I doubt the media are even aware of what they’ve done.
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March 29, 2011 8:33am
Nookin

I watched the president of the PPTA on the TV 3 this morning. He was commenting on the issue of bullying and in particular the letter that the government had written to boards of trustees reminding them of their obligation to maintain a safe environment.
He started by making the snide comment that he was sure that bullies were quivering in their boots at the prospect that boards were receiving letters from the government. I am not sure whether he actually used the phrase “wet bus ticket” but certainly it was used in subsequent comment. Later he acknowledged that the letter was a start which made his sarcasm totally unnecessary.
John Key was interviewed not long afterwards. He said what we all know (including the president of PPTA) that the letter is the start of an initiative. Key retained his dignity throughout. He resisted the temptation to invite the president of PPTA to stop scoring cheap political points and offer to work together with the government on an issue that is totally unrelated to the political divide.
Key came across with dignity. The president of PPTA looked momentarily like a sanctimonious pratt.

There are two possible purposes for making snide, sarcastic and derisory comments. One is to hurt, humiliate or otherwise demean the subject of the comments. The other is to elevate the self-esteem of the maker of those statements. Perhaps Mr Duff can reflect on this question: Apart from where they sit on the continuum of severity, what is the difference in principle between his comments and text bullying? I am sure Mr Duff felt much better for his comment. He gave the government a sneaky poke in the nose and he probably felt very clever for having done so. That is what bullying is all about. Kids actually see that sort of comment and thinks that if it is OK for adults then it is ok for them. Some people do not have the wit or intelligence to engage in verbal put-downs. They resort to violence. Up yours Mr Duff.
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March 29, 2011 8:34am
starboard

“A police officer is on trial after allegedly bashing five prisoners, one of whom had to have a testicle removed.

Martin James Folan, a police sergeant in West Auckland, faces six charges of assault and one of injuring with intent to injure.

He pleaded not guilty in the Auckland District Court yesterday.

Crown prosecutor Mark Zarifeh said the incident that led to the prisoner losing a testicle took place on January 8 last year.

Folan faces a charge of injuring with intent to injure and an alternative charge of assaulting with intent to injure in relation to Joseph McGee.

Mr Zarifeh said Mr McGee was drinking at a West Auckland bar when he got into a fight. An ambulance and the police were called.

Mr Zarifeh said police officers had to restrain Mr McGee while ambulance staff checked him for injuries. He was arrested for disorderly behaviour and taken to the Henderson police station.

Three police officers were helping to process Mr McGee when Folan kneed him “with a good deal of force”.

Well done that Policeman. You have my full support. What a shame 2 testicals were not removed..then the slime wouldnt be
able to breed more slime.
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March 29, 2011 8:35am
Rodders

A match made in heaven

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10715589
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March 29, 2011 8:36am
wreck1080

@rodders-it doesn’t really answer the question though.

It seems to allow for filing extensions, but, does not seem to make an allowance for cases where records are completely destroyed.

I’ve wondered about that before -what does the IRD do when business records are permanently destroyed? Retrieving bank statements should be OK, so you can probably know your income. But, you’d never be able to prove your expenses.
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March 29, 2011 8:37am
starboard

“up yours Mr Duff”

Mr Robin Duff is a known homosexual. He was a teacher at my high school 30 years ago.
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March 29, 2011 8:39am
Rodders

@wreck1080 – My understanding is that they might use filed GST returns as a guide. Not as good for people who only file 6 monthly GST returns, though (presuming the last return they filed was in October).
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March 29, 2011 8:40am
Manolo

Up yours Mr Duff.

You bet he will enjoy that. 🙂
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March 29, 2011 8:41am
peterwn

wreck1080 – This also shows the importance of meeting tax obligations in a timely manner. A person or business that suffers a disaster would be far more likely to be symphatetically treated by IRD if they habitually met tax obligations than someone who continually played ‘silly’ with IRD. No doubt if anyone tries to deliberately take advantage of the situation to avoid or defer taxes, IRD would show little sympathy – that is on the same level of looting.
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March 29, 2011 8:44am
K.Reed

“Can anybody explain why the media (including TVNZ, TV3, National Radio) consistently refer to the 18 year old involved in the Darren Hughes sex scandal as an “18 year old man” – while the 19 year old shot by police yesterday is still a “teenager”? ”

The media read press releases and scripts, in this case, one from the Police, one from the Office of the LoOP. When they aren’t doing that, they’re reading their own opinions. You can identify their opinions because they often contain technical adverbs like “crap” and “gutted”.
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March 29, 2011 8:47am
Inventory2

Welcome home (next month) PDM
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March 29, 2011 8:52am
Pete George

starboard: Three police officers were helping to process Mr McGee when Folan kneed him “with a good deal of force”.

Well done that Policeman. You have my full support.

With this sort of attitude of dishing it out to people you don’t like it’s not surprising we have such a problem with street thugs and family thugs.
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March 29, 2011 9:01am
KH

The twits who are directors of Genesis Energy should this morning all tender their resignations to their effective employer, the government. This stupid carry on with extortionate spot market pricing at the weekend. They did it because they could. But just because they could — does not mean they should.
Knowing the difference is what they are employed for – and they have failed that one. If their judgement fails to conclude resignation is neccessary then the chop is required.
The left want state run enterprises because supposedly they are not exploitive. These twerps give the lie to that one.
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March 29, 2011 9:11am
voice of reason

3-coil (849) Says:
March 29th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Can anybody explain why the media (including TVNZ, TV3, National Radio) consistently refer to the 18 year old involved in the Darren Hughes sex scandal as an “18 year old man”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4809631/MP-Darren-Hughes-case-Naked-man-seen

Not strictly true in this report Marshall cant make up his mind what to call the 18 year old.
He uses 6 different descriptions

naked man
naked youngster
university student
the boy
a young man
the naked teenager
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March 29, 2011 9:14am
Murray

“Dishing it out to people you don’t like.”

Yes we must all love and care for the the shit stains of society who prey on the law abiding. We all calearly are the ones with the attitude problem.
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March 29, 2011 9:31am
starboard

Pete George..

” Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn”…
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March 29, 2011 9:39am
Murray

Starboard YOU have an attitude problem!
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March 29, 2011 9:43am
starboard

..why thank you…thank you very much.
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March 29, 2011 9:46am
Murray

Welcome.

I have an attitude and I have no problem with it.
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March 29, 2011 10:05am
MT_Tinman

Murray (7,154) Says:
March 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Starboard YOU have an attitude problem!

I agree.

Keep up the good work.

Maybe a “Citizens for Folan” group is needed.
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March 29, 2011 10:07am
Scott

Why I am not a liberal — reason number 2373 —

A few years ago the Mayor of Kapiti Jenny Rowan pushed for nudity to be allowed on Kapiti beaches. This went through as a bylaw. Another crazy liberal idea, but everything would be okay because nudists would be discreet and there would be no problems.

Many in the local community didn’t want this bylaw. But it was pushed through by the Mayor, who not coincidentally is an open lesbian, against community opposition.

Today we see the headline — “police take hard line on sex in sand”.
Apparently people are now engaging in sexual intercourse on the beach. Particularly gay men are using the sand dunes as an open brothel.

Isn’t this modern liberalism? Just an open licence to fornicate and indulge ourselves? It is also what happens when we elect people of poor character to public office. It seems that the children cannot go to the beach because their parents won’t let them. The parents are afraid that they will see people engaging in indecent sexual acts on the beach.

Who else finds this appalling?
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March 29, 2011 10:49am
Pete George

With gritted teeth.
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March 29, 2011 10:53am
starboard

Mr Robin Duff is a known homosexual. He was a teacher at my high school 30 years ago.

..as I was saying before , Robin Duff , president of the PPTA, is a sodomiser. I remember him well from my Burnside high schools days…and so will John Key. JK was there the same period of time that I was. Duff used to mince around the school grounds like a wee fairy. We all knew he liked mens bottoms. Disgusting habit really.
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March 29, 2011 11:15am
backster

SCOTT……I do. How that woman got re-elected amazes me. I know no-one among the people I mix with who was going to vote for her, though of course I don’t mix with people who voted for Dorian Hughes either.
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March 29, 2011 11:36am
calendar girl

Pete George: “With this sort of attitude of dishing it out to people you don’t like it’s not surprising we have such a problem with street thugs and family thugs.”

Starboard’s comment was characteristically strong. Perhaps excessively so for those who take everything literally. But to treat the opinion expressed as reflecting commonly-held community standards is rather silly. You demonstrate well the shallow art of arguing from the particular to the general.
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March 29, 2011 11:50am
Pete George

cg – I think far too many people think that bashing someone they don’t like is a reasonable action to take. Do you disagree with that?

I doubt that starboard would be so happy with giving the police the liberty to dish out to anyone they took a dislike to if they picked him up sometime. It’s important in a decent society that the police stick to prevention and apprehension, and leave justice to the prescribed justice system we have.
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March 29, 2011 12:05pm
starboard

Pete George..

..Yawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn ….
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March 29, 2011 12:11pm
starboard

“and leave justice to the prescribed justice system we have”

..which is a bad joke. Our ” justice ” system is run by weak sandal wearing PC do-gooders who , come the revolution , will be strung up by their innards. Muwhahahahahahaha…
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March 29, 2011 12:14pm
Pete George

starboard, you keep coming up with this sort of open slather no justice violence crap, you might feel more at home in Somalia. Or Libya, Ghadafi is apparently using mercenaries there.
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March 29, 2011 12:22pm
RightNow

Microsoft sponsors the RWC. In other words: IT Managers – sign those contracts now to ensure your place in the corporate box.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10715666
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March 29, 2011 12:33pm
Bryla

Can we please have another thread about how completely SAFE nuclear power is?

Now that we have Plutonium found in the soil outside the plant, Caesium in the sea around the plant, and high level suspicions that the core of reactor No 3 is melting through the steel containment vessel, I think it’s really time to put out the message about safety again.

TEPCO is doing a terriffic job with it’s current statement that Plutonium “is not harmful to humans”, but more is needed. Perhaps some of the commenters here can detail their own positive experiences of eating Plutonium and Caesium, and the beneficial effect it’s had on their lives.

Nuclear power is 110% completely SAFE, and anyone who says different is an obvious commo nut-bag who ought be executed.
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March 29, 2011 12:48pm
david

While we are talking about semantics (well Graeme Edgeler is over at the Injunction post) who can clarify please.

What is the title of the wife of the mayor? as in is it correct to say as they have at Stuff.co.nz “Mayoress cleared of cancer” ? If this is correct was Kerry Prendergast’s husband the Mayor of Wellington?

Or is this just one more instance of the butcher of the English Language at the hands of the ignorant?
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March 29, 2011 12:49pm
david

To explain, the article at Stuff was referring to Mrs Len Brown.
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March 29, 2011 12:59pm
Cobolt

@ David

Same as the Queen, THe wife of a King is Queen while the Husband of a reigning queen holds another title such as Duke.

The Mayor’s wife is a Mayoress, the husband of a Mayoress is a handbag holder.
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March 29, 2011 1:10pm
david

Thank you Cobolt. I suppose the fact that the last PM’s handbag-holder was the Minister for Auckland Affairs doesn’t set a precedent.

Wow isn’t that title rule just about the most sexist thing you have heard this week? I think we need a law change in the interest of equality.
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March 29, 2011 2:07pm
Cobolt

It’s not the law that needs changing, it’s this stupid bloody language. 150 years ago this would never have been a problem. Life and times I guess.
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March 29, 2011 2:16pm
Manolo

Who have given these rabble rousers and morons any moral authority?

Dame Kiri asked to abandon Israel singing plans

Opera singer Dame Kiri Te Kanawa is being urged to abandon plans to sing in Israel by New Zealand supporters of the Palestinian cause. Global Peace and Justice Auckland (GPJA) says it has written asking her to withdraw from her scheduled performance at the Israel Festival in late May.

GPJA spokesman John Minto said Dame Kiri should show support for an international campaign to boycott Israeli events in protest at the Israeli government’s policies towards the Palestinians.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10715702
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March 29, 2011 3:36pm
Cobolt

NZ Herald: BNZ economists are anticipating a “massive” rise in housing construction, as the rebuilding of Christchurch gets under way, and as leaky building problems add to demand.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10715708

While forecasting just 15,000 new housing consents nationally this year, they expect 21,000 a year from 2012 to 2014.

Considering the building industry was catering for 24-25000 new dwellings in 2008 I’d hardly see this as a “massive” rise.
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March 29, 2011 3:59pm
TimG_Oz

This is for you, John Minto (sorry working today was written quite quickly):

John Minto supports the BDS movement – a movement which is based upon extremists. They support a Palestine next to Palestine, but no Israel. Have a look at this video and see how tolerant these “extremists” are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpilMYsR0I

And he uses the term “apartheid” – this video clearly shows what aparthied in the middle east really is. It is the extremist Palestinian leadership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpjQEvmtNdk
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March 29, 2011 4:09pm
bereal

You have to love The Donald.
Donald Trump releases his birth certificate today and with reference to Barry Obama says.
“Now this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn’t.’
Way to go Donald.

Also starboard @ 11.15
Of course Robin Duff is a homosexual. Isn’t that a prerequisite to qualify for any left wing
place at the trough these days. (at least since Helen began to influence things in NZ)
How can you gain a position like that if your not homosexual/Gay ?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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March 29, 2011 4:16pm
RightNow

Darien Fenton writes at RedBlert
http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/03/29/window-washer-dudes-are-back/

“Sadly, with a government with no plan for jobs, I fear I’m going to see a lot more of my local car window washer.”

Actually Darien, you’re probably going to be your local car window washer after 26th November.
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March 29, 2011 4:34pm
Manolo

New heights of lunacy and a dictatorship in the making. The Greens must be salivating at the prospect of bankrupting so many industries and countries.

The E.U. has lost its marbles.

EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

The European Commission on Monday unveiled a “single European transport area” aimed at enforcing “a profound shift in transport patterns for passengers” by 2050.

The plan also envisages an end to cheap holiday flights from Britain to southern Europe with a target that over 50 per cent of all journeys above 186 miles should be by rail.

Top of the EU’s list to cut climate change emissions is a target of “zero” for the number of petrol and diesel-driven cars and lorries in the EU’s future cities.

Siim Kallas, the EU transport commission, insisted that Brussels directives and new taxation of fuel would be used to force people out of their cars and onto “alternative” means of transport.

“That means no more conventionally fuelled cars in our city centres,” he said. “Action will follow, legislation, real action to change behaviour.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8411336/EU-to-ban-cars-from-cities-by-2050.html

Hat Tip: Trueblue NZ
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March 29, 2011 4:39pm
thedavincimode

Sheesh, Manolo. Enough already. You’re not his son are you? Most of us can just read the Telegraph without being directed thru the nutters caves.
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March 29, 2011 4:51pm
Ryan Sproull

New heights of lunacy and a dictatorship in the making. The Greens must be salivating at the prospect of bankrupting so many industries and countries.

The E.U. has lost its marbles.

I bet the car-loving Luddites will be up in arms to prevent the inevitable future.
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March 29, 2011 5:02pm
bereal

Right Now 4.34
Well said. If anyone needs to see what the country will lose when Darien Fenton has gone
needs only to recall the old saying, Put your hand into a bucketfull of water, pull it out. The hole
that is left is how much you will be missed when your gone.
Look up her CV on Wikipedia. Its staggering.
The only real question is, how have we got such a F**ked up political system that total drones
such as this can be elevated to be our ‘representatives’ in parliament.
How the f**k did she get there ?
If anyone is interested i can spell it out for you.
Darien Fenton, is she the biggest nonce ever to sit in the House of Representatives ?

Believe it or not, i can think of someone who could actually top her as greatest nonce.
Can you ?
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March 29, 2011 5:03pm
starboard

Believe it or not, i can think of someone who could actually top her as greatest nonce.
Can you ?

Delahunty…fruitcake nutbar extrordinaire
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March 29, 2011 5:19pm
thedavincimode

You lose bereal.
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March 29, 2011 5:49pm
Steve

“Believe it or not, i can think of someone who could actually top her as greatest nonce.
Can you ?”
The dizzy one, flat out like a lizard drinking, coming to a Parliment near you soon.

Chocolate fish?
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March 29, 2011 6:27pm
wreck1080

Finally the greens have one policy with which I agree….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10715727

Some real beehives were set up on Parliament’s forecourt to publicise a Green Party launch of a petition calling on the Government to stop using pesticides harmful to bees

The bee decline in some parts of the world is a disaster. I don’t know if it is happening here, but it would seriously impact pollination.
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March 29, 2011 6:38pm
starboard

” he was a good boy “…

but he pointed a loaded shotgun at Police and he was a mongrel mob prospect.

He deserved to die. You point a firearm at Police you die. Good boy or not. Lights out.
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March 29, 2011 6:49pm
wat dabney

“I am a scientist who was on the carbon gravy train, understands the evidence, was once an alarmist, but am now a skeptic…Official climate science, which is funded and directed entirely by government, promotes a theory that is based on a guess about moist air that is now a known falsehood. Governments gleefully accept their advice, because the only way to curb emissions are to impose taxes and extend government control over all energy use. And to curb emissions on a world scale might even lead to world government — how exciting for the political class!”

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/david-evans-carbon-modeler-says-its-a-scam/
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March 29, 2011 6:58pm
nickb

come on black caps……

all nighter for me
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March 29, 2011 7:17pm
Pete George

wat, David Evans is a Clayton’s rocket scientist, in his words:

In US academic and industry parlance, “rocket scientist” means anyone who has completed a PhD in one of the hard sciences at one of the top US institutions. The term arose for people who *could* do rocket science, not those who literally build rockets.Thus the term “rocket scientist” means someone with a PhD in physics, electrical engineering, or mathematics (or perhaps a couple of other closely related disciplines), from MIT, Stanford, Caltech, and maybe a few other institutions.

http://www.desmogblog.com/who-is-rocket-scientist-david-evans

Evan’s claim has been thoroughly debunked by Tim Lambert, a computer scientist at the University of New South Wales.

According to his own resume, Evans has not published a single peer-reviewed research paper on the subject of climate change. Evans published only a single paper in 1987 in his career and it is unrelated to climate change.

Evans has published an article for the Alabama-based Ludwig von Mises Instutute, a right-wing free-market think tank.

Evans also published a “background briefing” (pdf) document for the Australian chapter of the Lavoisier Group, a global warming “skeptic” organization with close ties to the mining industry.

In other words, he’s a skeptic to be a bit skeptical of.
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March 29, 2011 7:44pm
Hurf Durf

The only good thing about the Green Party nutters getting power in Germany is watching them inevitably crash when the confused, scared and stupid electorate get to see the full horror of their extremism and recoil accordingly, like they have done in Australia.

Elections have consequences.
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March 29, 2011 9:17pm
calendar girl

Pete George @ 12:05 – “cg – I think far too many people think that bashing someone they don’t like is a reasonable action to take. Do you disagree with that?”

Yes, I disagree with your contention. Like you, I’ve got no idea how many people think in that unlikely way.

Your overall argument is specious, illogical and diversionary – escalating one person’s admittedly strong view on societal retribution to a general “problem with street thugs and family thugs”. As I said earlier, you practise “the shallow art of arguing from the particular to the general.”
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March 29, 2011 9:53pm
Pete George

Any support to thuggery cannot be a good thing for society. One reason why the bash is so prevalent and widespread is because it’s made light of, joked about and encouraged – and like you are doing, downplayed.

I know it’s common for people to openly and tacitly support thuggery.

But more importantly right now, it’s a bugger of a time midweek for a cricket game to start.
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March 29, 2011 9:59pm
Nookin

Apropos the cricket – if Wright has a policy of preserving wickets till the 30th over or so, why do we persevere with a batsman who persistently goes out to a wild head in the air wog to a good delivery? Given that this happens incessantly and is the most common complaint about all our top order batsmen, is it not time to say “that’s your lot, mate. We will have another look at you when you’ve learnt to bat all day.” I hope Ryder can show the same maturity that he did against SA and that Guptil doesn’t run out of oxygen in the forties.
Good luck to them both
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March 29, 2011 10:36pm
bereal

Could Mallard have milked it any further on TV news tonight ?
i thought he hurt his leg in a bicycle accident, not his whole sick body.
He looked like he was the last survivor of the holocaust.
The poor sod made it look as though he didn’t even have the strength left to
propel his wheelchair. What a sick fuk. He managed to muster a wry brave smile.
i almost puked. What about you ?

The sad sick news is that there are no end of competitors for the most useless waste
of space in parliament other than Darien Fenton
Just for one, a clue, think Muslim.
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March 29, 2011 10:53pm
Pete George

Have you tried walking with a broken femur bereal? He also broke his shoulder blade.

Wouldn’t you smile wryly having to participate in a photo op like that?
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March 29, 2011 10:58pm
bereal

OK , not a good clue, try, Indian.
Closer ?
Another clue, Labour.
Need more help ?
Watch this space.
How about , promoted by Helen ?
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March 29, 2011 10:58pm
bereal

Hey Pete,
Getreal, what has ‘tried “walking” with a broken femur got to do with it ?’
He was sitting in a wheelchair when i saw him. Maybe you saw a different news clip.
Get with the programme Pete. Jeez.
Milking it doesnt even come close.
He milked you it seems
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March 29, 2011 11:08pm
Yvette

So Labour, on ONE NEWS, palms this whole fiasco off as stirred up by political opponents

and Goff leadership is strengthened

OK –
stuff.co opinion poll, a couple of minutes ago –
Will Phil Goff lead Labour in this year’s election?
Yes: 5341 votes, 50.9%
No: 5158 votes, 49.1%
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March 29, 2011 11:22pm
noskire

If you don’t have Sky, live streaming of Blackcaps vs Sri Lanka here http://www.cricket-365.net/2011/02/icc-cricket-world-cup-2011-live.html
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March 29, 2011 11:30pm
Pete George

Ah well, sort of inevitably out of the World Cup. Ironic that Sri Lanka’s perceived weakness, their middle order, pulled them through, while our supposed strengths, our batting depth and our fielding, weren’t quite up to it. At least it wasn’t a walloping, and good on Sri Lanka who deserved the win.
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March 30, 2011 6:06am
Manolo

More madness from the UK. It shows the power of the homosexual lobby.

Fury at equality watchdog after it calls for teachers to ask 11-year-olds if they are gay

Children as young as 11 could soon be asked about their sexuality without their parents’ consent, it has emerged.
Teachers, nurses and youth workers are being urged to set up pilot studies aimed at monitoring adolescent sexual orientation for the first time.

A report commissioned by the Government’s equalities watchdog found that it was ‘practically and ethically’ possible to interview young children about their sexuality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370511/Fury-equality-watchdog-calls-teachers-ask-11-year-olds-gay.html
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