General Debate 21 March 2011

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Viking2

So one for Ken Ring. Fail for Nick Smith.
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March 21, 2011 8:04am
Viking2

So how much did it cost the taxpayer for Smith to fly to CHCH for his grandstanding. Time Key took the card from this clown.
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March 21, 2011 8:05am
Positan

Matt McCarten’s attack on Prince William in his Herald article will have REALLY endeared the Left to those most likely to vote that way.

His only possible remedy would have to be a brain transplant.
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March 21, 2011 8:06am
Viking2

Quote of the year.
Doesn’t need any explanation.

Mr Mallard, a keen recreational cyclist, was operated on in Dunedin Hospital on Saturday afternoon. A plate and and screws were inserted below the hip to knit his broken femur together.

He said yesterday he was waiting for his surgeon to advise when he might be allowed to fly back to Wellington.

“I’m not very good at taking advice ”
but I’ll be listening to the doctor.”
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March 21, 2011 8:08am
Inventory2

@ Viking2 – Ring “predicted” an earthquake on an east-west fault, most likely in north Canterbury or Marlborough. There was an aftershock in Christchurch city, and three small quakes in the McKenzie country, nowhere near where Ring was suggesting. He is a charlatan, who caused much distress down in Christchurch.
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March 21, 2011 8:20am
Pongo

It was good shock ! I want to know why our beloved city fathers wont sell down the large shareholding in Lyttleton Port by placements with various Kiwisaver funds. Bit rude asking the rest of the country to pay while sitting on 2 billion dollars worth of assets.
Why dont we ask Chris Liddel to come and run the cty with Bob now he has quit GM, arguably one of the smartest men on the planet and he would be a perfect fit.
Also we have a closed coal mine worth 6 billion, a state owned coal miner and a city that needs 6 billion spent on it. Any other developed country would take a look except we reside in socialist utopia in the south pacific. Step Change Mr Key ???
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March 21, 2011 8:36am
Murray

A lot like the media who are screaming radiation and meltdowm Inv?

Yes i agree very irresponsible scarmongering.
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March 21, 2011 8:38am
Inky_the_Red

Sorry I am in Chch and the huge event that Clown Ring predicted for the morning of March 20 never happen. We had a 5.1 aftershock 9.47 last night. However we had a 5.1 on January 20 (shallower than last night) which I can’t recall being huge either. There have been 17 earthquakes and aftershocks of 5.1 or more since September. Stop giving the clown respect he scares children worse than the quakes.
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March 21, 2011 8:51am
Murray

Maybe if everyone stopped talking about him…
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March 21, 2011 8:57am
Chthoniid

@Inky_the_Red

Agreed. A prediction methodology that yields over 200 days per year as at risk of earthquakes, in a country that averages 30 quakes a month, is asinine nonsense. Time to cut off the oxygen to that clown.
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March 21, 2011 8:59am
peterwn

Viking2 – Just take a look at this:
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2008/electorate-29.html
It is a marginal left wing seat.
Do you still think Nick is a clown?
I will agree he is a ‘fall guy’ in some ways – I think he quite deliberately acts as a lightning rod for ETS, and he has a thick enough skin to take it. If John Key and National caucus did not accept ETS, Nick would not be publicly promoting it. So if Nick is a clown, this makes rest of Caucus a pack of clowns, which obviously they are not. The only clowns are in the Labour Caucus room.
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March 21, 2011 9:08am
Michaels

You guys are the clowns.
Ken Ring did NOT “predict” an earthquake at all.
He studies the moon and other shit and when all lines up as they did, an earthquake was expected. Just like the rains he see’s, it isn’t always 100%, however he is better than the highly paid office people.
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March 21, 2011 9:09am
Murray

Someone toss Mickey a dictionary.

Its under P there Mickey.
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March 21, 2011 9:15am
Yvette

“… he scares children worse than the quakes”

I doubt kids are reading newspapers that much, or avidly watching ‘news’ bulletins, so if they are scared more of Ring than earthquakes, I would suspect it is because they have got it from their parents – so who is scaring who.

Fear cannot take what you do not give it?
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March 21, 2011 9:17am
shady

Inky – just in case you didn’t know – January 20th was also the date of the full moon. http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?country=30

Not a necessarily a believer, but find the debate very interesting and worthy of note.
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March 21, 2011 9:36am
Murray

Is Anette King a Ring fan too?

Has anyone ever seen the two of them in same photo? Coicindence or conspiracy????

Next week we look at the Loch Ness Monster and the disovery of Troys remains in southern England.
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March 21, 2011 9:45am
voice of reason

Rings original prediction has been reported as below:

“Next year, the morning of 20 March 2011 sees the South island again in a big earthquake risk for all the same reasons. This date is the closest fly-past the moon does in all of 2011……. The time will be just before noon. It could be another for the history books”

subsequently he “softened” that to

“I do not hold that 20 March WILL bring a severe earthquake to Canterbury, but an extreme weather event is possible that day worldwide, and an earthquake within 500kms of the Alpine Fault is a risk on that date. More likely to be a 4-6mag.”

All pretty vague.
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March 21, 2011 9:53am
Bobbie black

Did Indian cricket referee Amiesh Saheba have an ulterior motive for saying that NZ catch was not-out?

http://specials.cricbuzz.com/worldcup/coolestmoment/2204

Hard to imagine any other reason but corruption.
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March 21, 2011 10:00am
Bobbie black

With regards the anti-smacking stuff I feel moved enough to post a short true story.

Surprisingly, naughty as I was, my Dad never touched me in anger (or verbally in anger) and my Mum only did on one occasion (physically).

It was just after one of her children had died (one of my siblings).

She was understandably a bit of a mess.

She had warned and warned me never to climb a barbed-wire fence as she feared if the wires were broken the neighbours somewhat mongrel and possibly rabid dogs would enter our property.

Anyway, after one day of mischief with my brother we both climbed the fence as usual.

I went second and the fence broke and I slashed my leg open a goodie.

Probably would have required at minimum 20 stitches and should have been rushed to A & E or hospital.

But my Mum was so pissed off she let me bleed and ordered my to my room to await my punishment.

So I did and she came in all furious and whacked my ass about ten times with her slipper or shoe.

I don’t remember feeling particularly traumatised but more guilty.

Later, when feels cooled down and my scar maifested in all it’s glory one of my sister’s said, well, when you are old you can tell all the girls that happened when you were seven (which I was at the time).

And when ever I saw the scar, all I felt was pride.

And the scar was visible to all under my school shorts, so later when girls at school asked me how I got that scar I had fun making up suitable stories, the truth of which based upon how pretty the girls were and whether I was puruing them.

Anyway, my point?

In this day an age my Mum would possibly be facing jail time.

And that seems so ridiculous to me now.

She is elderly now and sometimes I joke about how I am going to sue her for child abuse but that is what it stays of course, a weak joke.

She had four sons and ruled the roose normally with body language and verbal tone, and that is the way it should be of course with teachers and parents, nut let’s face it we are all human and sometimes we slip, but if we slip in the name of our responsibilities, surely that is no crime?

As far as the jurors go, I like the way Robbie Williams put it recently, there are three stories, yours, mine and the truth.

Quite inciteful, unlike most juries who are subjective at best in their approaches.
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March 21, 2011 10:15am
Longknives

Tapu Misa is at it again with another rant in today’s Herald. I’m struggling to grasp her actual point but it seems that we will no longer need prisons now we have ‘Whanau Ora’…or something like that…
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March 21, 2011 10:15am
Viking2

Go back and look at Rings predictions as he made them not as the MSM splatered them all over thier pages as.
Also go and look at last nights Gen Debate and see what some others have had to say.

All I will add is that gravity was still working just now when I dropped my screw driver, the tide is on its way in this morning its higher than normal, water weights a tonne per cubic mtre and tides rise and fall up to 5 mtrs. a not inconsiderable shift of weight when extropolated into seawater movement. Movement that excerts more than a minor influence on the edges of the Pacific plate.
Its reasonable to assume that greater moon pull will exert greater influence in the seawater shifting greater vast amounts of water. a bit like a seesaw when rolling backwards and forwards over the plate.

As far as Smith is concerned he is still a clown and we will see if his elctorate votehim back. Depends unfortuanately on the opposition candidate and that persons ability.
Smith is no better than Hulun. Went toschoool and became a politician. Time he quit and did something useful for a change. Everything he touches goes to shit. Tell us one good and useful thing he has acheived for NZ in all his years in the trough. You can’t. He’s a socilaist busy body.
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March 21, 2011 10:18am
big bruv

Good to see that Key has decided to take the attack to the Greens, I noticed that he mentioned their stupid idea to tax the hell out of middle NZ on the TV and the radio this morning.

Now….will any of our useless journo’s follow up on it and expose the Greens for what they really are?
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March 21, 2011 10:18am
starboard

Good point…
This was written by an Air New Zealand flight attendant in Auckland

“I work, they pay me… I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay
cheque I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn’t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a
problem with helping someone sit on their ass drinking beer and smoking dope.

Could you imagine how much money NZ would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a welfare cheque? Please pass
this along if you agree or simply delete if you don’t.”
Somethings gota change!
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March 21, 2011 10:20am
Bobbie black

Apple logies for not cleaning the typos up, being such a long posts I ran out of time on the edit function.

Anyway, you get the picture.
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March 21, 2011 10:22am
Viking2

“I do not hold that 20 March WILL bring a severe earthquake to Canterbury, but an extreme weather event is possible that day worldwide, and an earthquake within 500kms of the Alpine Fault is a risk on that date. More likely to be a 4-6mag.”

All pretty vague.

Yep but better than Niwa and the Met office can do a day before the weather. No one bothers to collate their predictions versus actuals. This last year they have been miles away in this area. and most big weather events they have predicted a few days ahead have not arrived.
Point being that Ring was better at his proficy than Met office is with theirs so what a waste on money Met Office is.

You need to open your minds to other possibilties rather than what the socialists and govt. tell you as fact.
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March 21, 2011 10:26am
Murray

He went vague AFTER having made a hard prediction and getting a lot of attention for it.
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March 21, 2011 10:29am
mawm

Bobbie black – the neighbours somewhat mongrel and possibly rabid dogs……….

There’s rabies in NZ?
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March 21, 2011 10:40am
nasska

Viking @ 10.18am

The spring tides are caused by the moon’s gravitational force but only in the sense that the world’s gravity is relatively lessened where the moon is exerting it’s ‘pull’. Therefore the extra water is not exerting extra pressure on the earth at that point. Additionally if an earthquake occurs because of a rupture of the earth’s surface the pull exerted by the moon is the same one metre or ten kilometres either side of the fracture.

It is not as if one piece of the earth is being dragged to or from another part so how can the moon be responsible?
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March 21, 2011 10:44am
OTGO

When you think about the Ken Ring theory, when you really think about it (as Vicking2 has) you’ll find that there is a small part of you thinking, “you know that’s not a bad theory actually”. And if you had’ve thought of it first you would be quite proud of yourself. Go on try it. Think about all the weight of that sea water shifting around the earth being pulled by the moon. That could work I reckon… Wish I had the lateral thought processes of Ken Ring. Forget whether it is right or wrong. I congratulate him for actually coming up with it.
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March 21, 2011 10:48am
Bobbie black

@Mawm, nah it was Hampshire, England, upper class farming area and I was hoping that you would get it that that was in my Ma’s mind at the time.

Guess not huh?
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March 21, 2011 11:05am
Ryan Sproull

When you think about the Ken Ring theory, when you really think about it (as Vicking2 has) you’ll find that there is a small part of you thinking, “you know that’s not a bad theory actually”.

The more you think about it, the most patently absurd it is.
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March 21, 2011 11:09am
Shunda barunda

Look how arrogant all the science worshippers are here! The mere suggestion that they haven’t got it ‘sussed’ is enough to get them going.
Science-H-logic!! they cry! we are the really smart people here! you layman drones have no right to challenge the all mighty scientific method!!
How dare you!!

It is all as stupid as using a shovel to build a house, and only using the shovel

By the way, I think Ken Ring is a witch too.
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March 21, 2011 11:11am
Bobbie black

Blame it on the moon.

I already taped up the window tonight with newspaper (we live in a loft apartment and don’t need curtains).

That big moon is not human friendly.

Just call it a hunch.

🙂
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March 21, 2011 11:12am
mawm

@ Bobbie black – just exposing that you weren’t raised in NZ and your mom would not have been subject to NZ laws.

Kind of defeats the point of your story, huh!
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March 21, 2011 11:14am
Ryan Sproull

It is all as stupid as using a shovel to build a house, and only using the shovel

Shovels aren’t for building whole houses.

Scientific analysis is for determining causes of events. And it’s been doing a very good job of it.

So it’s not like using a shovel to build a house, and only using the shovel. It’s like using a shovel to dig a hole and having to contend with people who argue that the hole would be dug much more effectively by singing Aretha Franklin songs at the ground.
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March 21, 2011 11:15am
Shunda barunda

Well Ryan, perhaps you should go tell all those climate scientists that, cause they are all singing the same tune.
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March 21, 2011 11:19am
Lindsay Addie

Ditto what Ryan Sproull said.

Ring afaik is a fraud and charlatan who purposely makes comments and predictions that can mean all things to all people. His comments thus when he’s cornered he can twist his remarks to suit the occassion. Typical behaviour of a fraudster.

He changed his prediction about March 20th as soon as he was put under pressure which kind of says it all. If he’s so sure of his abilities let him come down here to Christchurch and speak in a public forum about his ideas and answer questions from the audience as some of the scientists like Quigley has done more than once.

My bet is he will never drag his sorry arse down here and front up…………..

Pox on some of the media who have given this idiot far too much airtime.
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March 21, 2011 11:19am
Bobbie black

@Mawm, yes that is a good point.

But we emigrated to NZ later.

But I couldn’t have her busted in NZ law as “the crime” took place in England.

But, a Kiwi kid could send his Mom to jail for that under the current law.

Surely, that is RIDICULOUS?
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March 21, 2011 11:21am
mawm

Naaska – Additionally if an earthquake occurs because of a rupture of the earth’s surface

Fail. They are caused by shifting tectonic plates along fault lines.

The moon’s gravitational pull moves as the earth rotates and, as the plates cover large areas, there could be a gravitational effect mainly on one plate and not on the adjacent ones. Sounds plausible to me.

References supplied by Ring:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wikinaut/Moon-Earthquake-Theory
http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/files/Science_Express.pdf
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1022_041022_earthquakes_tides.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0210580/earthquake.html
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2001JB001577.shtml
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March 21, 2011 11:25am
Shunda barunda

Yeah!! I don’t believe in the Moon any more either!!

Even though it is supposed to be the second most dense natural satellite in the entire solar system, and is the largest satellite in relation to the body it orbits, It has no friggin effect on me!!
Fuckin Moon!!!
What a load of shit!!
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March 21, 2011 11:27am
Lindsay Addie

NASA don’t seem to think much of ‘Moon theory’:

http://www.space.com/11113-supermoon-science-nasa-explanation.html
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March 21, 2011 11:30am
Shunda barunda

When I saw those 2 geologists on Campbell live being extremely intellectually dishonest about the Alpine fault in order to ‘calm the horses’ I realised that political influences are just as evident in geology as they are in climate change.
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March 21, 2011 11:32am
mawm

Lindsay – Nasa believes in Anthropogenic Global Warming and were part of the adjusting temperatures scam 😮
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March 21, 2011 11:33am
Shunda barunda

NASA don’t seem to think much of ‘Moon theory’:

What? when they aren’t blowing up rockets or space shuttles?
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March 21, 2011 11:33am
nasska

mawm @ 11.25am

A rupture, a fault line…..only a difference in terminology but I do take on board your observation that the size of the earth’s tectonic plates means that the moon’s effect is not necessarily localised.
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March 21, 2011 11:36am
sparky21

Viking2 said “Yep but better than Niwa and the Met office can do a day before the weather. No one bothers to collate their predictions versus actuals.”
Are you a boatie? I suggest that you get a Ken Ring forecast and put out to sea today, but don’t listen to MetService….. 🙂
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March 21, 2011 11:38am
mawm

Nasska – It sounded as if you were likening them to the bursting of a boil.

There are some figures supplied in the Ring’s references that suggest earthquake timing and moon and sun positions………but obviously eathquakes are too infrequent to do a statistical analysis.
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March 21, 2011 11:44am
adc

nasska

last time I checked the moon wasn’t in geosynchronous orbit.

It moves. And the water moves. The water takes time to move, and therefore must lag the pull of gravity from the moon.

One of the most interesting aspects was Ring’s identification that the air moves too. It’s bleeding obvious when you think about it that the air would also have tides just like the water. And since we all know from 6th form chemistry that PV=nRT and P = Po + ρ g δH :

Therefore when the air column is higher, the pressure increases and it gets hotter. So the moon’s pull on the air has an effect on temp.

Where’s the scientific proof that it has no effect? I see only assertions from the government science advisor.
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March 21, 2011 11:53am
mawm

adc – I see only assertions from the government science advisor.

He’s just a political tool in both senses of the word.
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March 21, 2011 12:01pm
backster

Ken Ring has a blog and a website. He prints his opinions on them and explains them. He seldom goes outside of the internet to promote his opinions. After 30 years study he makes services on long term weather forecasting available to subscribers in NZ, Australia, and the UK., and he writes books on his beliefs.His blog also indicated that there was a chance of another severe earthquake in the Christchurch area over a 5 day period around the 22nd Feb. Subsequent to that earthquake he received numerous appreciative comments from Christchurch people who took preventative measures. In response to 1500 requests to a TV station he was invited into TV3 to explain his forecast. He was instead denounced by a rude little socialist creep who denied him a right of reply. Then the rest of the media joined in the clamour of vilification exaggerating and misquoting his blog and accusing him of arousing hysteria. He has maintained a dignified silence since. In my view it is the media that has tried to destroy him and in doing so promoted the hysteria. Given his strong belief in his theory it would have been detrimental to his self worth not to try and at least warn his subscribers that he believed there was a strong possibility of an earthquake on a specific date. I don’t think anything occurred on the 20th March that was detrimental to his reputation.
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March 21, 2011 12:03pm
Bobbie black

Anyway, I am all hyped up, on the schnaps again, off to watch UFC 128 under the full moon and with pluto aligned up uranus.

If I am not back in 7 days, you know what happened.

Out for now.
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March 21, 2011 12:03pm
CHFR

Sparky21 Not sure what forecast you heard from ken but on Saturday he advised not going out today.

Wow listening to you lot over Ken Ring is like listening to true AGW believers. I personally am with OTGO on this.
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March 21, 2011 12:12pm
Viking2

sparky21 (6) Says:
March 21st, 2011 at 11:38 a

Well most of the fishermen around this country fish by the moon cycles. Do you?

And though not a fisheman I do need to know the weather ahd eachday and I can tell you met service are wrong more than right by a considerable margin.
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March 21, 2011 12:17pm
big bruv

According to reports Trevor Mallard has fallen off his bike (was he pissed?) and broken a few bones.

Hands up all those who feel sorry for Mallard?
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anybody?????

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4790024/Mallard-breaks-femur-and-shoulder-blade-in-crash
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March 21, 2011 12:31pm
Lindsay Addie

Ring is a total fraud, who the fuck can take a guy seriously when he reads cat paws as some kind of bizarre variation on palmistry? Hardly a science background to be confident. This moon theory stuff has been around for a century and no one has proved it yet. I’d rather believe NASA and other scientists on this one.

Over and out.
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March 21, 2011 12:41pm
cha

A charlatan, aka Mr Goodtime.

Magician Alan Watson said he had known Ring since the forecaster worked as a magician called Mr Goodtimes in the 1970s.

Ring was former president of the now-defunct New Zealand Society of Magicians and is described on indexnz.com as a lecturer, speech therapist, author, actor, clown and magician known as Mathman.
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March 21, 2011 12:51pm
redeye

I have no problem with Ring putting forward his theories, and no problem with anyone else putting forward alternate or even scientific theories. But those of you who claim to be outing someone because they’re defending those that can’t think for themselves should be posting over at The Standard. Where, it seems, they have some expertise on telling other people what they should be thinking.
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March 21, 2011 1:20pm
Christopher Thomson

The Duckman was in a cycle race down Dunedin way and bumped into a couple of other racers. Broken femur up by the joint and a broken R scapula. However he is left-handed and can still write.
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March 21, 2011 1:31pm
Christopher Thomson

…or whatever else he does left-handed.
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March 21, 2011 1:51pm
sbk

Via The Climate Depot…another Global warming icon bites the dust (or should i say snow)…”Mount Kilimanjaro is slowly regaining its snow “… WTF how dare Mother Nature defy the IPCC…ungrateful bitch.
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March 21, 2011 1:53pm
Longknives

I couldn’t care less about Ken Ring and his alleged predictions. What bugs the bejesus out of me is that horrible Deb Webber person smugly claiming she knew the big Quake was going to happen but didn’t tell anyone….
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March 21, 2011 2:20pm
Christopher Thomson

She did? a link please.

I always enjoy a laugh.
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March 21, 2011 2:36pm
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10710402
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March 21, 2011 2:49pm
sparky21

Ken Ring does the daily weather forecasts in his albeit impressive Almanac using old MetService charts in the belief that the weather follows a precise regular cycle (using the moon of course). I think that the butterfly effect puts a lie to that idea. With regard to his earthquake predictions, just remember that he has forecast them to stop in April.
We shall see….
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March 21, 2011 2:57pm
Rick Rowling

nd an earthquake within 500kms of the Alpine Fault is a risk on that date. More likely to be a 4-6mag

Bwa ha ha ha ha

I predict, that on or about tomorrow, there will be an earthquake on or about the alpine fault of about 3-5 magnitude.

I predict, that on or about the day after, there will be an earthquake on or about the alpine fault of about 3-5 magnitude.

There, in a couple of days I will be an awesome predictor of earthquakes too.

Just don’t look too hard here http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html to see how many earth tremors there are every couple of hours on or near the alpine fault.

Gullible – the only word that’s not in the dictionary – go look.
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March 21, 2011 3:13pm
gravedodger

So Ken Ring, who has some credibility among those who have a desire for longer term forecasting of possible weather patterns over and above the official predictions from the drones we pay very well to make equally false predictions and who to a person rely on computor modelling around the pacific oscellations that pitch up El Nino and La Nina weather patterns when the reality of that bullshit science can have totally different effects when the prevailing wind direction varies by a small degree of direction within the general weather pattern leading to very different outcomes as to rainfall etc, is a fraud, charlatan, idiot, failed magician while those wonderful people at the IPPC, niwa et al are what?

Ken promotes a theory and those who choose to deny, denigrate, discount or whatever are perfectly entitled to do so but to suggest what he says is scare mongering and then in the next breath repeat the very dubious and unproven theories on the troubled Nuclear plant in Japan as “News” or intelligent comment, are what exactly?

Any parent or tosspot cabinet minister who with all the resources at their disposal cannot put what value they place on Mr Rings forecasts in context must have serious deficiencies as information diseminators or maybe they are just grossly inadequate as communicators.

The wonderful Dr Smith has saddled this country with a money laundering system that will set this country back for generations while, he Dr Smith, the media and many of the sheeple are obsessed with a man who many intelligent people put in the same category as the supreme idiots who put out daily “Star Sign” almanacs, SHEESH.

Disclaimer I have used Ken Ring weather almanacs over the years and find his theories interesting and somewhat more believable than most of the bullshit that has lead to Dr Smith and his legislative empowered fantasy to enable the bureaucracy to put their stick socialist fingers in my wallet and remove my hard earned gold that I have accumulated inspite of their shennanagins over a lifetime of serious hard work.
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March 21, 2011 3:29pm
Manolo

Ring, Gluckman, Smith. Three charlatans and sellers of snake oil.

Given their position the last two are far more dangerous.
Look at the ETS tax Smith has imposed on all New Zealanders. Consider the endless non-sensical advice on AGW Gluckman feeds to lying Key.
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March 21, 2011 4:17pm
Hurf Durf

So the Hoeruld got its favourite reformed Islamist/unreformed cretin to have a cry about Peter King, as he was the brief bogeyman du jour last week. Whilst I have little truck with Mr King and his IRA sympathies, I have equally little truck with Yufus Irfan or whatever his name is clinging to the ideologically-driven hysteria provided by the LWM that Loughner was in any way connected to the grassroots anti-statism movement, where even the halfway honest leftards admitted that, yes, there was no connection and suggesting one was based on no facts and designed solely for scaremongering. So, in the spirit of bullshit I shall retaliate in kind and simply say this:

Irfan Yusuf abducts children in his van, molests them, harvests their organs and sells them to rich Chinese industrialists and then funnels part of the proceeds to Hezbollah.

Hey, it’s only fair.
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March 21, 2011 4:32pm
Robboy

@ BigBruv: Hands up all those who feel sorry for Mallard?

My hand is up. I also feel sorry for you, for different reasons.
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March 21, 2011 5:07pm
voice of reason

Christchurch business owners’ protest heats up

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10713997

Simmering tension. We’ll have our own version of the Egypt demos before too long
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March 21, 2011 6:15pm
Viking2

Christchurch business owners’ protest heats up

What would you expect. Private enterprisers versus socialists in a power mode.

Just watched the news after spending sometime this afternoon with an assessor who has spent 4 months in CHCH. Basic summary. The place is stuffed.
And now we the taxpayer are going to be rorted by the socialists to “rebuild” the town.
Question is WHY?
CHCH City Council is responsible for its city. That said council have a couple of billion of assets that could be sold to pay their share.
Privately owned buildings are just that. Those owners should have their own insurance and they should be dealing with that part of their lives.
The state probably has to pay for its assets as well.
If the land is not fit to build on then don’t build on it. Go somewhere else. Why should taxpayers pay to correct the land?
Assistance should be available only to those that cannot help themselves. i.e. aged and infirm. No need for unemployed in town while there is work to be done and there is plenty. Seen too many lazy bums standing watching volunteers doing work around their properties that they could have done themselves.

Once upon a time not so long ago, before we had computers, when one wanted to insure a building the insurance person came along and did an assessment of the building.
They ticked the boxes that described the consruction etc etc and then a price was give. Now all they ask is how many sq mtr andwhat insurance do you wnat. Now you may be wondering what I’m on about but its this.
Many of buildings were not properly assessed for risk. If they had of been then the high insurance premiums that should have been charged on the buildings would have hastened their demise. In other words the failure to adequately identify the risk but to socialize the premium cost meant these buildings remained past their use by date.
The risk was not fully assessed nor clear and had the Insurance companies bothered to research the risk then no building owner of these failed buildings would have been able to afford the premiums.
Similarly, if the council had adequately identified its responsibilities for public saftey then the building codes would have reflected that risk. Falling verandas imposed an acceptable result on the people of CHCH. But what was done to ensure that these same verandas were made quake safe? Anything or nothing at all? It would be reasonable to charge someone with manslaughter.
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March 21, 2011 7:11pm
Viking2

Deep quake out at sea

Posted at 11:43am Monday 21st Mar, 2011

GNS Science is reporting an earthquake measuring 5.0 on the Richter scale occurred 40km northeast of Tauranga on Sunday night.

The earthquake struck at 8.30pm and at a depth of 190km. This is deep, with the February 22 earthquake in Christchurch occurring at a depth of 5km.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/11942-deep-quake-out-at-sea.html
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March 21, 2011 7:15pm
linkdown

From geonet, South Island has had earthquakes between 4 and 6 on 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,17 and 20 March. I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict a 4-6 earthquake on saturday or thereabouts and can Ken Ring just fade into oblivion please?
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March 21, 2011 7:33pm
Viking2

Speaking at a post-cabinet press conference this afternoon, Mr Key sent Mr Mallard a get well message.

“We don’t like to see him in that condition, so we wish him a speedy recovery,” Mr Key said.

“Tell him to go on the cycleway next time on his own so he can’t hit another bike.”

– NZPA

That will be The National Cycleway that we no longer hear anything about I guess.
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March 21, 2011 7:37pm
Steve

Trevor Mallard off his bike/trolley

As much as you piss me off Trevor, recover well. Liarbore needs you.
Now you got some bone injury close to the hip right? Well this is not an injury, it is a failure due to degeneration. The fact that the bone broke due to some outside force is irelevant. That bone could have broken anytime without warning or with even the slightest amount or pressure.
If you make an ACC claim they will drop you like a hot potato. If ACC do not, and say that you have no degeneration, I want to know why.
This is from my experiance with ACC and the Govt people who never respond.
On your bike Trev (back on it)
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March 21, 2011 7:51pm
Viking2

Journo shield laws now cover bloggers and tweeters

* James Massola
* From: The Australian
* March 21, 2011 2:17PM

BLOGGERS and tweeters will enjoy the same shield law protections as journalists under newly amended laws that passed through federal parliament today.

But the new laws, which aim to give protection against being forced to reveal confidential information or sources, do not extend to those who make anonymous comments on news sites and blogs.

The amendments broaden the definition of journalist to include so-called new media journalists, citizen journalists and independent media organisations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/journo-shield-laws-now-cover-bloggers-and-tweeters/story-e6frg996-1226025441600
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March 21, 2011 8:13pm
Put it away

“By the way, I think Ken Ring is a witch too.”

Jeez shunda, I thought you were a good fundy xtian loon, Ken Ring is an astrologer and that’s just as verboten by your bible as witchcraft. You disappoint me…
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March 21, 2011 8:39pm
Christopher Thomson

Deb Webber, what a hoot.

Why don’t these folks that talk to dead people ever talk to someone interesting? Churchill, Reagan, Oliver Cromwell. Maybe if David Bain was to toddle along they could talk to one of the family and get a definitive answer.
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March 21, 2011 9:06pm
Luc Hansen

adc

It’s difficult to ask scientists to disprove an unpublished scientific theory.

Get Ken Ring to write a paper and submit it to a credible scientific journal, preferably Nature, PNAS or Science.

He may win a Nobel Prize!

Similarly, all the deniers here simply cannot come up with a credible rebuttal of the basic theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Someone mentioned Mt Kilimanjaro. Without factchecking the link, what I can say is, first, climate change is complex and non-linear, and, second, climate scientists tell us that with more water vapour in the atmosphere, more snow will fall, but eventually our rising temperatures will overwhelm that temporary effect.

There are a number of now accepted scientific theories that form the basis of the science. Rather than ridiculous cherrypicking and lies, disprove these theories and get published.

Like Ken Ring, you could win a Nobel Prize!
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March 21, 2011 10:53pm
Shunda barunda

Jeez shunda, I thought you were a good fundy xtian loon, Ken Ring is an astrologer and that’s just as verboten by your bible as witchcraft. You disappoint me…

Burn da witch!!!
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March 21, 2011 11:03pm
Shunda barunda

Luc Hansen is also a witch.
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March 21, 2011 11:03pm
Luc Hansen

Shunda, I wish! I’d soon sort you buggers out with a few few spells and potions!
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March 21, 2011 11:13pm
Luc Hansen

Oxymoronic headline?

Christmas Island rioters will be punished, says Gillard

Really, Julia, what are you going to do?

Lock them up on a prison island? Check as already done.

Deny them their human and legal rights? Check as already done.

Force them into overcrowded facilities ripe for discontent? Check as already done.

Oh, I know, do all that, then when they riot, as real men would, deny them a visa and…then what, Julia, put them out to sea in a pea green boat?

Suggestions, anyone?
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March 21, 2011 11:22pm
sbk

Luc a witch…nah…considering his blind acceptance of every tenet of the climate witchdoctors
Grimorium Verum…spellbound fool is more apt.
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March 22, 2011 7:20am
Viking2

Yep LuC. Send them back whence they came. No issues then.
Or youy could buy an island somewhere on another planet and allow them to immigrate to your island where you could look after them and keep them the way they want to be kept.
Take some responsibility for your mouth and do the right thing.
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