General Debate 1 March 2011

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Pete George

Those sucked in by the Ken Ring quackery should read what he says, try this: An Inexact Science
(except that it’s not science)

Really weather is an opinion-based product based on best-guessing, from blending available information into experience, just like economics or political science.

Really, Ring admits he is selling his “opinions” – he often stresses they are only opinions unless one happens to coincide with what has happened, then he calls it a successful prediction.

So if a forecast says rain for Auckland but it only rains in Huntly, 60 miles away, given the tools available it is as close as one can reasonably get, and should therefore be considered a successful forecast.

Even when he gets it wrong he claims success.

Most weather readings, averages etc are taken at airports. Airports are usually windier, which the planes need to be able to take off with, and then land again safely, and being windier are therefore drier places than hills or nearby towns. Unless your location is at or near the airport the forecast may be at least slightly (and possibly way) out.

He suggests if you don’t live near an airport he can’t be relied on anyway??

When calculating weather from the Moon I am looking for repeatable Moon factors.

But it’s all done by precise calculation and patterns?

The hammer manufacturer cannot be blamed for your bruised thumb. If an inaccurate forecast is given, that does not invalidate the moon method but might just mean this author is still learning.

Except he may not have learnt how to do it properly yet.

To that extent any rigorous scientific assessment of any method is just not viable. There are simply too many variables for the scientific method to be applied.

And admits it isn’t science?

About the only legacy we seem to be leaving future generations at the moment is that weather is bizarre, unfriendly, unpredictable, and because of that we must pay extra taxes for boneheaded scientists to endlessly research it, under the label of ‘climate change’.

His target market is the ‘climate change’ deniers? He must at least know the difference between climate and weather.

I ask that we bring back the weather wisdom of the Moon, learn and apply it for ourselves and for our livelihoods, and teach it to our children. We can at least leave them that. Let us teach them that the Moon comes in cycles and as does the tide so does the weather, and these cycles can be quantified. It is not perfect and no one has all the answers, but we can use the Moon’s cycles to make useful predictions as to trends.

He emphasises how vague and imprecise his ‘opinion’ methods are, while he keeps quoting specific weather (and now earthquake) events as proof of his calculations. But…

We should not expect too much. As good and effective as any method is, it is our responsibility to also plan for alternative outcomes.

The best alternative outcome may be to ignore his snake oil. He may believe in what the “opinions” he sells, but Ring is a ding-a-ling.
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March 1, 2011 8:32am
thedavincimode

Memo to H Clark (belated)

1. It isn’t a competition. Whether it was bigger, smaller or the same as Haiti isn’t relevant. The only thing that is relevant is that its a catastrophe and everyone there is doing their best.

2. You’ve caused enough damage here yourself thanks very much.

3. Just fuck off.
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March 1, 2011 8:36am
CHFR

Gee Pete are you leading the charge against this guy, because you seem a wee bit evangelical in your opposition. From where I sit he seems to have as much credibility as anyone else.

While I am ranting I am getting a bit sick of the disaster porn on tv. I have friends in Christchurch who just want to get on with things and the media’s thirst for a story is just getting too much.
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March 1, 2011 8:50am
pdm

I could not have put it better myself – thedavincimode (1343)
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March 1, 2011 9:09am
BeaB

Geoff Robinson on Morning Report this morning said that the rise in ‘domestic incidents’ was ‘understandable’.

Perhaps we women should be told when being beaten up by our partners is understandable. Is it only in time of earthquake?

Will the judges agree bashing partners is understandable and let the thugs off?
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March 1, 2011 9:27am
nasska

Pete George @ 8.32am

We (as in my family) followed Ken Ring’s forecasts for 2010. I make no claim that it was a scientific study but we noted that although his day to day forecasts were on a par with readings from chicken entrails the long term predictions were surprisingly accurate. For such things as resowing paddocks & working out stocking rates I would rate his forecasts on an equal with any qualified meteorologist……for picking a day at the beach no way.

Just my two bobs worth.
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March 1, 2011 9:27am
Lance

In the spirit of utter lunacy…
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/8926863/iran-says-london-2012-logo-racist-report/

No doubt the Greens an Hart etc will call for a boycott of the apartheid games.
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March 1, 2011 9:29am
dime

Bea – hes clearly an idiot.

could they see a rise in domestic abuse because of the quake? maybe. is it understandable? never.
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March 1, 2011 9:44am
Pete George

Naaska, short term forecasts done by meteorologists are far more accurate than longer term forecasts.

Longer term forecasts become much more of a lottery with general timeframes and conditions, so meteorologists, Ken Ring and throwing a dart at a weather map will be closer in accuracy – and it’s easy to pick bits out that fit if you want to believe, and see the inaccuracies if you look more closely.

for picking a day at the beach no way.

For picking the day of a major quake, no way too? So what’s the point? We know there will always be quakes around New Zealand, and some will be large ones, occasionally near larger populations, but we have no idea where or when or what damage will occur. We can buy raincoats, we can have emergency kits, but we won’t know when we’ll need to use them in the future.
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March 1, 2011 9:47am
Murray

The Roman army read entrails as a matter of doctrine. They were evidently wrong all the time… yet still managed to carve out the most succesful empire to date.

Which only fell over after they became “enlightened”. hmm its almost like reality doesn’t care what Pete thinks. How could that be?
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March 1, 2011 9:49am
MT_Tinman

BeaB (547) Says:
March 1st, 2011 at 9:27 am
Geoff Robinson on Morning Report this morning said that the rise in ‘domestic incidents’ was ‘understandable’.

Perhaps we women should be told when being beaten up by our partners is understandable. Is it only in time of earthquake?

Where was it reported that the “domestic incidents” were only about sheilas getting beaten up by their partners?
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March 1, 2011 9:53am
3-coil

BeaB/dime – you must always cut “Geriatric Geoff” a bit of slack. He oftens gets a little confused on Morning Report (confusing “million” with “billion” etc), but if you persevere, you can usually get the drift of what he is trying to say.

Edit – having said that, he was supposed to be pensioned off a year or two back (don’t know why that didn’t happen).
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March 1, 2011 10:00am
dime

tinny – lets be honest, the majority of domestic assualts are by dudes.
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March 1, 2011 10:01am
nasska

Peter George @ 9.47am

Agreed that short term forecasts are always more accurate…. the further out you get the more variables come into play. In this respect meteorology can be compared to a game of chess. Although I’m certainly not promoting Ken Ring’s day to day forecasts it must be fairly stated that he is making them at least a year out. In most things unproven I’m a world class sceptic but I admit to a grudging respect for his long term predictions….at least for now.

The earthquake predictions even if proved reliable would be so vague as to intensity & position as to be worthless.
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March 1, 2011 10:12am
adze

Poor choice of words, most likely. The word he (Robinson) was looking for was “predictable”, as the same thing happened after the September quake.
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March 1, 2011 10:12am
BeaB

I think Tinman that it’s probably women who are most at risk – and a few blokes. But sorry not to be inclusive cos I know how important it is to be scrupulously PC.
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March 1, 2011 10:19am
thedavincimode

3-coil

“but if you persevere, you can usually get the drift of what he is trying to say.”

Why would you want to?
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March 1, 2011 10:22am
nasska

Since the sisterhood redefined the phrase “domestic violence” to included yelling, threatening, throwing articles around & anything else that suits their intent of demonising men we have no guarantee that Geoff Robinson’s witterings were about actual assaults.

It would be fair to say that men do not have a monopoly on screaming or yelling & acting irrationally under pressure isn’t exactly unusual female behaviour.

His comments seem to do little other than move air around.
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March 1, 2011 10:23am
BeaB

nasska It was in the context of a police report on actual arrests. The police officer also said he considered the incidents ‘understandable’.

As adze suggested, a better word would have been ‘predictable’ and the fact that they didn’t use it may or may not signal their attitudes towards domestic violence. I hope not.

Don’t get your knickers in a twist about the sisterhood. We are your mums, wives, sisters and daughters. You might like to think about how you want them to be treated by their partners and whether you would excuse “yelling, threatening, throwing articles around”, much less using fists.

My husband says violence is never ever understandable, acceptable or excusable in any circumstances at all. I agree.

The great thing is disasters bring out the best in most people and that is overwhelmingly what we are seeing.
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March 1, 2011 10:39am
All_on_Red

“short term forecasts done by meteorologists are far more accurate than longer term forecasts”

Exactly Pete. The max they can predict accurately is about 4 days. After that the variables become too complex. This complexity lead to what is called the Butterfly Effect (which way will a butterfy fly?) and the development of Chaos Theory.
Long term they have no show. Witness the Met Service in the UK who predicted a warm Christmas for the UK and ended up with the worst weather in decades. So much for their new 170 million pound super computer. Or was that the warmists view coming through…
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March 1, 2011 10:41am
william blake

I agree nasska, the term domestic violence should be held in quotation marks and called by its real name; assault or grievous bodily harm or kidnapping, or torture, or murder as each case suggests.

However when your bloke raises his voice to his wife after “training” her with the jug cord I can see that as part of “domestic violence”.
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March 1, 2011 10:42am
william blake

…as for the adjective; ‘understandable’ is better than ‘allowable’ but worse than ‘predictable’; what about ‘you are under arrest’.
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March 1, 2011 10:49am
david

On predicting weather – It was analysed that you would be right more often than the met service with tomorrow’s forecast if you simply said “same as today”

On “understandable” perhaps he is an experienced police officer and understands the way the minds work in a section of the population in the same way as you might say that teenage driving accidents are “understandable” especially as more is learnt about teenage brain development . You will note that he did not say “excusable” so lets not spend the week on semantics and accept that there is a lot of tension in the air and understand that people in Christchurch are pretty fragile as they try to hold it all together and appear relaxed and calm.
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March 1, 2011 10:54am
nasska

BeaB @ 10.39am & william blake @ 10.42am

My comment was intended to argue that the hijacking of the English language by single issue groups has rendered many previously useful words & phrases to meaningless tripe. Bashing a woman around is & always should be inexcusable but the phrase “domestic incidents” is so wide as to easily include a heated argument or any form of unresolved disagreement.
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March 1, 2011 10:55am
slightlyrighty

I have just had a quick look at the different political party websites in NZ

Act has a large link to the Earthquake appeal.

The Nats, Labour, the greens and the Maori party all have messages of support for the victims of the earthquake with links to red cross or similar donation options. The Maori party has alist of marae that are available for emergency accommodation.

The progessives have as a lead item, an article outlining Andertons victory over a DB ad that has been deemed untrue.
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March 1, 2011 10:59am
sparkyspitz

I suspect John Campbell (and his producers) as gatekeepers for the powers that were, had a wee bit of a dilemma when it came to Ken Ring.

Evidently Campbells viewers were wanting to hear from Ken. If they didn’t have him on, people would be wondering why not.

If they did have him on, would people listen and become curious and start investigating for themselves, maybe spend some time reading Ken’s website?

What might they find there? Hmmm could it be an alternative view points to the Government and Campbells man made global warming position?

The poor wee lambs might be exposed to different ideas to the approved establishment viewpoint which both the Government and Campbell are heavily invested in.

Ken Ring is Kryptonite to the man made global warming paradigm. His theory must not be allowed to gain any traction.
People must not have reason to question authority.

Mr Ring may not have the right Uni degrees, but his livelihood depends on there being value in the information he present. The same cannot be said for the Wonks with the tax payer funded guaranteed Government paycheck.

The monopoly on information is challenged and Campbell becomes belligerant.

Oh what a show!
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March 1, 2011 10:59am
Fishfurta

It is quite common for a large earthquake to be followed up by aftershocks including a quake pretty large (usually one notch less on the scale.) This has just happened . The earthquake gurus reckon there is a 25% chance of another biggy within 6 months . Is this a forecast ? or just noting what has happened in the past .
My ol dad told me that his family had a brilliant forecaster in the form of a cut out wooden donkey nailed to the garden shed. It had a bit of rope for its tail and the sign underneath said –1: If tail dry… weather fine 2: If tail wet ….Raining and
3: If tail falls out …earthquake !
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March 1, 2011 11:02am
Longknives

Lance 9:29am -Minto will be beside himself. An emergency meeting will surely immediately be held at Global Peace and Justice (Or whatever they call themselves) headquarters to show solidarity with their oppressed Palestinian brothers….
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March 1, 2011 11:03am
Longknives

Thats if he’s not too busy blaming the earthquake on evil Capitalists…..http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2011/02/to-the-front-humanity-trumps-selfishness-in-earthquake-devastation/
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March 1, 2011 11:06am
Shunda barunda

What is interesting about this Ken Ring fulla is the parallel to plate tectonics theory.
The fellow who came up with the idea of plate tectonics was routinely mocked and ridiculed for decades by the pompous scientific establishment.
They to cried: he is not qualified! , they mocked and hissed and poked fun in the most humiliating of ways.
Turns out they were all just a pack of dicks, and really, really into intellectual masturbation*

* (the only form of masturbation that does actually make you blind)
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March 1, 2011 11:07am
slightlyrighty

with regard to Ken Ring, even a broken watch is right twice a day.
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March 1, 2011 11:15am
Shunda barunda

But the government funded geologists refuse to give us any warning unless there is a seismic event in progress (after the fact).

If they think there is even a possibility the Alpine fault (or it’s northern offshoots) is about to go, I WANT TO FRIGGIN KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
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March 1, 2011 11:21am
Bobbie black

Just watched UFC 127, great to see a big heavy handed Samoan Mark Hunt and veteran K1 fighter get a huge knockout and oh yeah I think there was a Maori guy in there, kind of got his ass kicked…by a Swedish guy.

Sort of reminds me of the Tua versus…what’s his name, Maori guy, curly white hair?

Why can’t Maoris fight when it counts?

I mean in the big time where it counts?
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March 1, 2011 11:27am
Pete George

The problem is Shunda, there’s a possibility the Alpine Fault could go at any time. I’d rather have a pragmatic idea of possibilities rather than an endless prediction of dates until Ring “gets one right”.

For the earthquake last week Ring predicted “on the Ring of Fire, possibly somewhere within 500km of the Alpine fault”. And he still got the days wrong.
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March 1, 2011 11:33am
Pete George

This is exactly what Ring said on 14th Feb:

The 7+ is sure to be somewhere in the “Ring of Fire”, where 80% of all major earthquakes seem to occur, and NZ is at the lower left of this Ring. The range of risk may be within 500kms of the Alpine Fault.

Right about location (half the world), wrong about the day and the size. Three paragraphs later he said:

The risk is no greater than it has always been in NZ; after all they call us The Shaky Isles.

Is that enough certainty?
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March 1, 2011 11:40am
RightNow

And now for something different. A limited time offer, to watch a live police chase in California
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4
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March 1, 2011 11:59am
MT_Tinman

dime (2,959) Says:
March 1st, 2011 at 10:01 am
tinny – lets be honest, the majority of domestic assualts are by dudes.

The word you missed there Dime is “reported”.
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March 1, 2011 12:02pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Domestic violence has not only been re-defined to include yelling and kicking the cat, but also to exclude any such similar behaviour and indeed physical assault, by women. That entitles the otherwise quite incorrect presumption by the sisterhood that only men engage in “domestic violence” and women are always the victims.
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March 1, 2011 12:18pm
nasska

While I stand by my 10.55am comment that bashing women is inexcusable both MT_Tinman & thedavincimode have correctly pointed out that man beats woman is not the only version of domestic violence. A short stroll along the High St of my local town reveals some horrible sights. The classic example of “Jake the Muss & his poor cowering wife” is given the lie by the sheer number of women with a fighting weight of 250lb & more. Many of the bad tempered bitches show by the way they ill treat their kids that they are certainly not averse to dishing out violence.

In many cases their personal lives are probably full of endless confrontation. In any war truth is the first casualty & there are enough man haters out there to make sure that no opportunity to blame their enemy is wasted justified or not.

They do the genuine victims a great disservice.
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March 1, 2011 1:29pm
BeaB

Gosh I hadn’t realised what pussies Kiwi men are!
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March 1, 2011 1:29pm
thedavincimode

BeaB that pretty well sums you up. You kick it off with the classic sisterhood sneer and indignation and then close out with a remark like that.

Do you actually think spousal abuse by women is funny? Is it funny that some men are physically attacked and harmed and that they put up with it because they have nowhere else to go and are concerned about their kids? That despite being physically more powerful, they don’t actually want to retaliate by smashing the shit out of their partners? That this might all happen in front of their children? Is that being a pussy? You clearly think so. Maybe its the combination of a lack of judgement, will and options. But whatever, its certainly self-restraint. Of course, if there is a response in kind, then that’s a different matter isn’t it …
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March 1, 2011 1:50pm
big bruv

BeaB is obviously pissed off that she was not born a man.

Never mind dear, so you got second prize in life, deal with it and move on.
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March 1, 2011 1:55pm
BeaB

Wah wah
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March 1, 2011 2:28pm
backster

REDEYE///No first I acknowleged the generosity of a man I reviled as supporting the oppression of the Socialism in New Zealand while benefiting and enjoying life as a result of his capitalistic labours and dwelling in a state relying on capitalism. Others on the list have been leaders and examples within our nation and have not been shy in sponsoring racing, building golfcourses and sponsoring tournaments
establishing property empires etc and the thought occurred to me that perhaps they wouldn’t be too bashful about emulating the example of Glen as motivation to the rest of us.
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March 1, 2011 3:10pm
thedavincimode

Gosh. Does your husband say that too BeaB? I’d love to know.
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March 1, 2011 3:13pm
Redbaiter

Communist Watermelon Nick Smith Gambles Another $798,300 Of Your Money.
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March 1, 2011 3:28pm
bereal

Here is an idea.

Given the power that blog sites now have to shape opinion and political direction.
Given that this one is well read by many. ( thank you David) even if not all post a comment.
What about a thread to introduce and kick around ideas with the one proviso that they are only
positive suggestions for the development of New Zealand.
For eg, headed, “If I were the dictator of New Zealand, i would….”
i bet plenty of readers of this blog have good ideas. They could express them and maybe the
powers that be might pick some of them up, see votes and merit in some of them And help develop
our great country.

For what it is worth, i will give it a go.
Tomorrow AM on the general debate i will stick my kneck out .

For the good of New Zealand, “If i were the dictator of the country i would……..”

Good idea ? Crap idea ? What do you think?
Regardless, i will have a crack tomorrow.
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March 1, 2011 3:53pm
thedavincimode

Impoverished link-whore gambles on another mouse click …
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March 1, 2011 3:54pm
paws

We are all doomed sigh
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March 1, 2011 4:10pm
paws

http://www.predictweather.com/
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March 1, 2011 4:40pm
bereal

paws
“We are all doomed sigh.”
Why not just top your self now and save the wait ?
Would you be the most Negative loser ever to appear, ever ?
Why do you live then ?

[DPF:You’ve been warned before about comments in this tone]
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March 1, 2011 5:02pm
bereal

Ok thanks David,
fair call,
i needed that, i’ve pulled myself together now.
Lucky i didn’t cop some demerits.
I’ll try and lift my game.
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March 1, 2011 5:18pm
DJP6-25

thedavinchimode 8:36 am. My thoughts exactly.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 1, 2011 6:44pm
rfdunedin

On TV ONE News tonight. Guyon Espiner speculating on what government programs might – or might not – be cut as a result of the Christchurch Earthquake. All he could say: “I think! I think! I think!” Well, we think he was totally unthinking. His comments are unnecessary – totally unnecessary – untimely and absolutely disgraceful.

A journalist playing politics simply to stir things up and a total lack of judgement given the circumstances. If you feel the same, email your protest to: news@tvnz.co.nz.
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March 1, 2011 6:46pm
Steve

Bereal, why wait for GD tomorrow?

“If i were the dictator of the country i would……..”
If I were the Dictator of NZ I would continue to come back and and traumatise you, but hey! I already do that. Thanks, Helen Clark
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March 1, 2011 6:49pm
Steve

Whilst I am provoking ….. Phool will still read Kiwiblog. Just hooking into bbq scotch fillet impregnated with garlic and apricot bits, plastered with olive oil, and then some scallops on the side.
Enjoy your mung beans and grass Phool
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March 1, 2011 7:02pm
nasska

Steve @ 7.02pm

Have you considered that he may be vegan not because he loves animals but because he hates plants?
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March 1, 2011 7:55pm
big bruv

I note that English has said that “Nothing is off the table” when it comes to working out how we are going to pay for the Christchurch rebuild.
When questioned further English replied that WFF, interest free student loans and tax increases were all options they were looking at.

Another area they MUST look at is the Rugby world cup, while I would love to see the Govt and the NZRU tell the IRB to stick their cup up their collective backsides the reality is that Key will never do that, what he should do however is tell the NZRU and the IRB that the tax payer is not going to cover any of the losses.

If the NZRU still wants the RWC in NZ then they cannot expect us to pay for their party, if there is a loss then so be it, the IRB and the NZRU can cover that loss.

The tax payer has far more important things to be doing with their money.
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March 1, 2011 7:56pm
Johnboy

I don’t mind them holding the RWC BB as long as they don’t give any tickets to that arse Mallard. 🙂
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March 1, 2011 8:02pm
big bruv

I don’t mind them holding it either Johnboy, I just object to paying for it.
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March 1, 2011 8:09pm
reid

If the NZRU still wants the RWC in NZ then they cannot expect us to pay for their party, if there is a loss then so be it, the IRB and the NZRU can cover that loss.

No way the RWC is going BB. It’s the perfect pick-me-up. No way also is it going to make a loss.

Goff was on Wilson’s radio show this evening saying he didn’t think it was a very good idea putting “popular” policies on the table using these times as an excuse although he acknowledged everything re: ChCh was non-partisan.

Yeh right. Like Liarbore wouldn’t campaign in 2014 for a restoration of their Hulun-given us-funded dual life-lines since ChCh was now “under control?”

It’s the “us-funded” bit I have the issue with. I generally on-balance really like interest-free student loans and WFF for the wealthy and think they’re wonderful, fluffy policies, full of goodness and light in every way.
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March 1, 2011 8:25pm
big bruv

reid

Right from day one the Labour and National governments have said the RWC WILL run at a loss, that is not in dispute.

Both Labour and National have agreed that we (the tax payer) will cough up around $52 million to help cover that loss, this is after we have built a new stadium for the NZRU’s piss up and spent around $700m.

I do not object to the RWC coming to NZ, I like the game of Rugby, what I object to doing is paying for the NZRU’s party when they are the ones who should be covering the total cost of the tournament and any losses.

The NZRU would be the most arrogant and useless bunch of pricks on the face of the earth, they boast about having a ‘war chest’ of $65 million, well now is the time to spend that money, they cannot expect the tax payer of NZ to cover the cost of their minor sporting tournament.
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March 1, 2011 8:33pm
Johnboy

‘war chest’ of $65 million, well now is the time to spend that money’

Don’t be bloody stupid BB. They need every dollar of that to train our heroes to toss the oval ball into chilly bins and catch the sausage and tucker fucker bottle. 🙂
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March 1, 2011 8:42pm
3-coil

Excellent post by CK at Asian Invasion 2006 today.
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March 1, 2011 8:50pm
lofty

Yes an excellent post by CK, a must read.

It is interesting that private enterprise alone will fix CHCH…yet the lefties must be rejoicing at employers and providers i.e “rich pricks” going to the wall…that’ll teach em.

The bi partisan politics can get stuffed..we don’t need lefties or want em, let us ‘rich pricks” get on with the fixin’
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March 1, 2011 8:56pm
dime

ah christ, another rwc post from bruv.

hey bruv, its almost easter. lets talk about trading on good friday lol

ill be a happy dime if the govt has a go at student loans and wff
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March 1, 2011 9:10pm
big bruv

Now come on Dime, quitting is for losers.

Anyway, I was thinking about getting a masters cricket tournament going next year Dime, I want to invite teams from around the world, it should be a great time.

Just one thing though Dime, I want you to pay for it, the travel, the piss up, the hookers and the cost of running the games.

I was going to ask you if you were OK with that idea but then I thought fuck it, I will just send you the bill anyway.
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March 1, 2011 9:14pm
Johnboy

Dime might stage a masters whore rooting contest and send you the bill BB. 🙂
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March 1, 2011 9:17pm
dime

bruv – as long as they bring 15,000 fans with em, no worries 🙂
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March 1, 2011 9:17pm
big bruv

Speaking of paying for things…….

How many rugby fans were highly pissed off that the tax payer funded a couple of America’s cup campaigns?

I hope those same fans are disgusted that the tax payer if being forced to fund a minor rugby tournament.
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March 1, 2011 9:27pm
Nookin

BB @ 8.33 pm “The NZRU would be the most arrogant and useless bunch of pricks on the face of the earth, ”

Been following the cricket over the last couple of year Bruv?
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March 1, 2011 9:47pm
Inky_the_Red

I am surprised not to read anything from DPF on the Irish General Election. Very surprising since the centre right Fine Gael Party won the most seats gaining 25 seats to reach 76 seats.

There were also gains on the left with likely coalition partner Labour picking up 37 seats (up from 20). Gerry Adams is among 14 Sinn Féin members of the Dáil up from 4 in 2007. Also the new group called the United Left Alliance gaining 5 seats.

Needless to say the former government did badly. The junior partner Green lost all 6 seats while the senior partner (free market) Fianna Fáil lost 57 seats down to 20 (lowest in their history)
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March 1, 2011 10:15pm
Johnboy

Bugger. Wrong thread. 🙂
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March 1, 2011 10:19pm
big bruv

Nookin

Yep, I always follow the cricket……. the NZC are not what one could call arrogant, they are however inept.

That is surprising given the intelligence of the CEO, the good Dr Vaughan is a very smart cookie, the same cannot be said for Teflon Tew at the NZRU, who is, at best, a bumbling fool.

At last count the NZRU had over 100 people at head office (suitably placed on the Wellington waterfront for that sinking feeling they will eventually have when reality smacks them straight in the face)
What do all those people do?, they do not raise any money as the game is losing money hand over fist every year, they sure as hell are not working on boosting the crowds as those numbers are embarrassingly low.

Nope, I suspect that each and every one of the morons is working out another way to stiff their stupidly loyal fans out of some more of their hard earned cash.

Remember Nookin, these are the fuck wits who think they own the silver fern, these are the people who I contacted way back in September with the suggestion of an earthquake relief game between the mighty Wellington team and the Canterbury team, I suggested that the NZRU might like to let the Cantab fans in for free given that they had been through such a terrible time…….the reply I got from Teflon Tew was nothing short of disgusting.

Thankfully the same email to the CEO of the Canterbury rugby union elicited a more mature and reasoned response.

The reality is Nookin that the CEO of the NZRU and NZC cannot do a lot about what happens on the field, you cannot blame Dr Vaughan for the teams piss poor results, what you want your CEO to do is get it right off the field, on that score both the NZRU and NZC have royally fucked up.
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March 1, 2011 10:24pm
Johnboy

“the reply I got from Teflon Tew was nothing short of disgusting.”

Publish it?
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March 1, 2011 10:27pm
Nookin

I am certainly inclined to agree with you about Tew. I am not sure whether I have the same confidence in the good doctor. I have the feeling that he has bowed to to player pressure. For example, when they were appointing a new coach, he announced that the criteria for selection was an ability to get on with Dan. Last year, he interfered with the selection of the 20/ 20 team when McCullum threw his toys out of the cot. Something is seriously wrong with the culture. I do not pretend that I have the answers. I do not see Justin Vaughan as one of them..
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March 1, 2011 10:41pm
double d

another big rattle out Rangiora way – the shaking goes on…..
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March 1, 2011 10:55pm
Viking2

What more can we say. The racists are at it still.

Maori board rejects mayor’s plea to negotiate out of court
By Bernard Orsman
5:30 AM Wednesday Mar 2, 2011

Mayor Len Brown has failed to stop the Maori Statutory Board going to court to overturn an Auckland Council decision to slash its budget.

The board has rejected Mr Brown’s desire for a negotiated settlement by filing a statement of claim in the High Court at Auckland yesterday asking the court to uphold a $3.4 million budget approved by the council’s strategy and finance committee on February 8.

Faced with a public uproar at the cost of running the board, the unelected members of which are able to sit and vote on 11 council committees, the council voted at a full council meeting on February 15 to reduce the budget to $1.9 million. It also cut the board’s budget for the rest of the financial year from $2,060,000 to $950,000.

Last week, Mr Brown called on the board to give up its court action and work with a group of three councillors to sort out the budget row without involving lawyers.

The board has rejected a negotiated settlement and yesterday chairman David Taipari said the litigation was about seeking “clarification, not confrontation” while continuing to operate constructively and in good faith with the council.
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March 2, 2011 7:16am
Manolo

Another progressive icon with feet of clay. The venal Ted Kennedy exposed.

Ted Kennedy Arranged to ‘Rent’ Brothel in Latin America, ’61 Memo Says

The late Sen. Ted Kennedy arranged to “rent” a brothel for a night while on a visit to Chile and other Latin American countries decades ago, according to a 1961 State Department memo obtained and published by the watchdog group Judicial Watch.

Judicial Watch released several documents said to be from Kennedy’s FBI file. The group said it obtained a cleaner copy of the State Department memo after a mostly redacted version was made public earlier.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/28/ted-kennedy-arranged-rent-brothel-latin-america-61-memo-says/
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March 2, 2011 7:19am
thedavincimode

What are you suggesting Manolo? That he shouldn’t have planned his trip?
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March 2, 2011 7:24am
Manolo

Time to start correcting socialist Labour mistakes and bribes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4719932/High-income-benefit-cut-hint-after-Christchurch-earthquakes/

High-income earners face a cut to their Working for Families payments as the Government looks for ways to meet the cost of the Christchurch earthquakes.

Finance Minister Bill English signalled a major review of spending plans and debt levels yesterday, including possible cuts to Working for Families payments and interest-free student loans.

“We are just not ruling stuff in or out. We are in day six,” he said. Mr English said in terms of income support the Government would continue to “protect the vulnerable” – a likely signal that cuts to Working for Families would be limited to those on high incomes. A highly placed Government source said advice from the Treasury included the option of a higher abatement rate on Working for Families payments, meaning those on higher incomes would receive less.
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March 2, 2011 7:26am
thedavincimode

Nookin

More than agree. Vaughan seems completely ineffectual and vacillates between trying to keep everyone happy and trying to appear authoritive and in control. It strikes me that the problem at the moment is a leadership vacuum that starts at the top and finishes on the field. Vettori is a fantastic player but one just gets the impression that he isn’t prepared to back himself against other strong personalities in that team – we know who they are. Several give the appearance of people who really only want to do their own thing. There is no other way to explain the fact that some of them – like the former wicketkeeper, have all the talent in the world but simply no capacity to temper raw talent with self-discipline. God knows who will captain in place of Vettori. The present form and attitude of the two most likely candidates raises issues about whether they should even be in the team. Those personality types can be very disruptive in a team environment – you can in fact be better off without them.
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