General Debate 17 March 2011

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pdm

This must be the first ever first from the Isle Of Lewis!!
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March 17, 2011 8:03am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10712969
“Winston says that word again”

So according to Winston Peters any light-hearted fundraising events trivialises the plight of people in Christchurch. Perhaps Winston would care to help organise a few ‘sackcloth and ashes’ events to help raise money. Or is Winston now upset that a ‘gift that keeps on giving’ has got into the ‘wrong hands’ and is now being used to foment happy mischief at his expense.
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March 17, 2011 8:12am
Murray

Thank god for that. We had a real shortage of an over the hill nobody clothes hangers with a history of dishinesty telling us what they thought about fund raising for Christchurch.

Thankfully Winston is here now so that hole has been plugged.

Maybe he could give the money he owes US to Christchurch. I would have no objection to that.
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March 17, 2011 8:17am
Pete George

It seems Act have a strategy of continuing to appeal to the knee jerks, reactionaries and red necks. A piddly group of populists. No wonder Douglas has had enough. Brash in the weekend, now Calvert is trying to sound clever for the mob. I think it’s embarassing.

Act should be good for Parliament, but this is a hard Act to follow.
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March 17, 2011 8:38am
BeaB

The primary principals in Christchurch are being made to feel unwell by Ministry inquiries about when they will be able to re-open their schools. Oh dear. Nasty Ministry. Why can’t officials just leave the principals alone to stretch out their already generous holidays as far as they can.

Kudos to schools like Shirley Boys’ and Papanui HS – operating two schools on one site in two shifts. Imagine the logistics of that!
And kudos to the staff who are planning to hold holiday classes, even in their own homes, so senior students don’t suffer as they prepare for end-of-year exams.
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March 17, 2011 8:39am
Murray

Seems too people are so gutless they’ll buy into legislation based on Maori fairy stories rather than tell them to piss off.

And I want a leprechaun tax with proceeds to get to all of us who can proove Irish ancestory every St Paddys Day. You WILL respect our culture!
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March 17, 2011 8:44am
Inventory2

Winston Peters has been hoist by his own petard. He’s the only one who is politicising this

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/03/wheres-winstons-sense-of-humour-gone.html
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March 17, 2011 8:47am
Manolo

More about the Messiah’s incompetence. It goes to show you cannot put a community organiser as president of the United States.

Obama the invisible – Anti-leadership amid world crises

The world is beset. Moammar Khadafy is moving relentlessly to crush the Libyan revolt that once promised the overthrow of one of the world’s most despicable regimes.

So where is the president?

Japan may be on the verge of a disaster that dwarfs any we have yet seen. A self-governing nation like the United States needs its leader to take full measure of his position at times of crises when the path forward is no longer clear.

This is not a time for leadership; this is the time for leadership. So where is Barack Obama?

It is not merely that he isn’t rising to the challenge. He is avoiding the challenge. He is Bartleby the President. He would prefer not to.

And yet, since Friday and a press conference in which he managed to leave the American position on Libya more muddled than it was before, we have not heard his voice. Except in a radio address — he talked about education legislation.

And he appeared at a fund-raiser in DC. And sat down with ESPN to reveal his NCAA picks.

He cannot go on like this. Niall Ferguson, the very pessimis tic economic his torian, wrote the other day that the best we can now hope for is that Obama leaves the country in the same kind of shape that Jimmy Carter left it in.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/obama_the_invisible_Ass40MBstf15MAr9DYAORK
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March 17, 2011 8:51am
Manolo

Tinkerbell jumps to the defense of his racist former bosses and current political masters.

Race row over ACT comments on Foreshore

“Racist” and “inappropriate” remarks by ACT MP Hilary Calvert have been condemned by the Maori Party and Attorney-General.

In Parliament yesterday, during debates on The Marine and Coastal Area Bill, Ms Calvert was disparaging about how the legislation had to take into account Maori rights.

“Tikanga is an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ word. It means whatever the Queen – I think it was the Red or White Queen – said it would mean, no more and no less.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4775423/Race-row-over-ACT-comments-on-Foreshore
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March 17, 2011 8:54am
Luc Hansen

BeaB

Lots of teachers work extra hours during the year for kids, and tuition classes for keen kids, especially leading up to exams, and often held at the teachers’ homes, are common.

The point in Christchurch is that teachers have their own battles as a result of the quake, and should not be required to work during their contracted holidays. Of course, the govt could always offer to pay them overtime rates, thus putting more money into the local economy.

As it stands, the govt took census work away by cancelling the census (truly ridiculous: India is doing their census as we speak in a country where chaos is a way of life!).

Now BeaB, are you sure you are not David Farrar in drag? You seem to have the same hard-wired hostility towards teachers.
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March 17, 2011 8:57am
Manolo

How ironic! A fight between two merchants of doom and promoters of fiction: Ring (earthquakes) vs. Gluckman (AGW);

Nobody can predict when an earthquake will strike, the Prime Minister’s chief science adviser says.

The Government and the Royal Society of New Zealand today released a scientific paper at a briefing in Wellington, looking at earthquake predictions and future earthquake risks for Christchurch and New Zealand.

During the briefing, Sir Peter Gluckman hit out at Ken Ring’s controversial prediction that another big quake will hit Christchurch on or near March 20.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10712870
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March 17, 2011 8:58am
David Garrett

Peter George: Are you aware that Parekura Horomia said much the same thing as Hilary in the House yesterday? I am paraphrasing,but he said something like the meaning of tikanga is different depending on the tribe…his tribe’s tikanga is not anothers, and vice versa.

Admittedly that is not quite the same as “tikanga means whatever we say it means”, but it’s damn close. The Bill certainly provides for wahi tapu to be “wherever we [the iwi of the area] say they are.” If that doesnt worry you, I wager you dont spend much time on coastal pursuits, (sorry, this prime fishing spot off these rocks is wahi tapu and only we can fish here) or you havent read the Bill carefully, or both.
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March 17, 2011 9:00am
Mr Magister

A fight between two merchants of doom and promoters of fiction: Ring (earthquakes) vs. Gluckman (AGW)

As soon as Gluckman popped up I knew there was something to Ring’s prophecies after all.
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March 17, 2011 9:04am
Luc Hansen

RadioNZ headline:

Wall Street falls.

I checked FoxNoNews, and they seem to think Wall Street is where is has always been.

So where does RadioNZ think it fell to? Did it hurt? Was anything broken? Was there a tsunami?

And did its mate, the dollar, test any barriers today, like I keep hearing?
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March 17, 2011 9:05am
Pete George

Manolo, if you disregard the opinion of anyone who supports anything you think is fiction that will leave you as lonely as RB. You diss just about every scientist, anyone who suports any degeree of socialism, every religious person, that’s a large majority for a start. You will be left with even less than the true blue few (who all believe in fiction anyway).
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March 17, 2011 9:05am
Luc Hansen

So David, did God give Palestine to the Jews?
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March 17, 2011 9:06am
Luc Hansen

Pete

(who all believe in fiction anyway).

You already mentioned religious folk.
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March 17, 2011 9:08am
BeaB

Luc Hansen Did you actually bother to read what I wrote?
Or are you the kind of teacher that just loves the sound of your own voice?
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March 17, 2011 9:08am
Pete George

David (Garrett) – trivialising with Alice did not sound like a serious politician. Do you think the current Act campaign is going to increase support?

I live on the coast and frequent coastal areas. I have few worries about this legislation. I don’t expect to be prevented from access any more than I am now. I hapen to think that most Maori in this area are very reasonable people, and the Act hardly gives them a free hand to absue access.
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March 17, 2011 9:09am
Luc Hansen

BeaB

I work in factories. I would only teach kids if I could carry an AK47 and have the same legal protection as US soldiers deployed overseas.

You’ve been dissing teachers with disinformation.

Why?

Is your ex a teacher?
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March 17, 2011 9:12am
BeaB

So you work in a factory, Luc hansen, but know more about teachers and the PPTA than people who have spent their lives teaching kids.
Unlike you perhaps, with your spiteful pen, I and my partner of 40 years live a happy life, perhaps because we don’t accept fairy stories at face value – from unions, the media or politicians.
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March 17, 2011 9:30am
Murray

Luc god gave the Land to Abraham to the Jews. “Palestine” is a Roman name imposed on the land during their occupation.

If you’re going to be an anti-Semetic pice of crap at least make a tiny effort to get factual content into you rants. Now off you go and give out lollies to the children in celebration of Fatahs grat blow for liberation by cutting the throat of a 3 month old baby.

You got some fucked up heros there Luc.
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March 17, 2011 9:30am
Luc Hansen

BeaB

As I said, you spread disinformation.

I have lots of teacher rellies. I know the score.

PS the line about your ex was meant to be a joke. Just doesn’t work the same on the net, I know.

Congratulations on your long relationship. I will say this, I may have had more variety than your hubby.
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March 17, 2011 9:34am
Luc Hansen

Manolo, David disses Maori attitudes to, basically, their spirituality.

He claims not to be racist.

I’m interested in his response.

For my view on your post, see my 9.08am reply to Pete.

Here’s an Israeli joke for you: 75% of us are atheists, but 100% of us believe god gave us the land.

A Jew told me that one.

Now I’m quite happy to leave that subject. I’m interested in hearing from David (not the king variety).

I won’t hold my breath.
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March 17, 2011 9:41am
Luc Hansen

Manolo, by the way, I think you are talking about the murder of an Israeli colonising family in the Occupied Palestine Territories.

I agree it’s a disgusting crime. I have a two year old.

But you need to know, it would not have been either Fatah or Hamas. The first is collaborating with the occupiers, the second is happily occupying Gaza and actively prevents attacks on Israelis. The government in Israel knows all this. Maybe you don’t.

Let’s wait until the perpetrators are caught.

But isn’t it interesting how settler home invasions and wanton killing of Palestinians never make the news over here. I can tell you it’s that’s just everyday stuff that Palestinians endure from the colonists.

But facts would be inconvenient to your belief, wouldn’t it?
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March 17, 2011 9:50am
Brian Smaller

Maori spirituality is the same as any other belief system – open to criticism. I believe it to be hocus pocus garbage – just the same as I categorise all spiritual belief systems.
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March 17, 2011 9:51am
Manolo

You diss just about every scientist, anyone who suports any degeree of socialism, every religious person, that’s a large majority for a start.

Yes, I do. But it doesn’t mean we cannot have a civilised conversation or debate on the subject. Are you afraid?

I’m against following blind beliefs, be that AGW or religion, just because they are fashionable, trendy or a given; and for fighting ideas with ideas.

That’s why communism was defeated. Now, lets do the same with socialism. 🙂
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March 17, 2011 9:54am
Pete George

Communism defeated itself. You will defeat your own argument if you dismiss all climate science like a religious belief system.
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March 17, 2011 10:04am
Viking2

AHHH, what climate science Pete. Oh you mean all the fudged readings and politics and fraudulent hockey sticks.
You need to get out in the sun more insteadof spending all day blogging and listening to bullshit.
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March 17, 2011 10:27am
Viking2

I also see the new Tinkerbell Law is going thru despite considerable reservations by all but the Nats and Maori Party.
I trust that you will all remember this at voting time. It reinforces what I have always thought about the Nat. blue rinse sect. Most of them are light weight when it comes to thinking.

Tinkerbell Findlayson is the National Party’s David Lange.
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March 17, 2011 10:28am
grumpyoldhori

Garrett you seem as confused as Hide did when he was ranting that ACT having eight members would stop the Nats from passing the Foreshore act, fair enough he is not the brightest bulb around, but adding the Nat, Labour, Greens, Maori votes in the house gives a guaranteed pass for the foreshore.

Yes, democracy is a bitch is it not ?

Oh, since you like all those on the hard right speak no reo, how the hell can you even get close about tikanga ?
Yours views on an ACT member suggesting that natives be shot ?
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March 17, 2011 10:29am
David Garrett

grumpyold(claiming to be)hori: When you use your own name I might bother responding to you…
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March 17, 2011 10:34am
Luc Hansen

Pete

AGW is not a belief. It’s a theory that explains observed facts, and gives provable predictions for the future.

Just like evolution.

Hey, viking2, what do you think about evolution?

Just another conspiracy theory?
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March 17, 2011 10:36am
Luc Hansen

David, I’ve seen you you respond to many others here who don’t use their real names.

Why do you pick on the hori?
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March 17, 2011 10:38am
James Stephenson

Yours views on an ACT member suggesting that natives be shot ?

Your proof that the person making the suggestion was an ACT party member?
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March 17, 2011 10:38am
RightNow

I see our resident climate botherer is in full troll mode.
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March 17, 2011 10:45am
Fletch

Manolo, The Gifted One is busy using his intelligence to solve all those problems – or is he? 😉

http://bigjournalism.com/hudlash/2011/03/13/commander-in-chief/
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March 17, 2011 10:46am
Fletch

The response of the NYT and other media to the killing of that Israeli family.

http://bigjournalism.com/epokroy/2011/03/14/nyt-building-houses-much-worse-than-murdering-families-in-their-sleep/

Disgusting really. If it were ‘Palestinians’ killed by Israeli’s they’d be a huge uproar, and an investigation by the UN.
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March 17, 2011 10:48am
voice of reason

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/4777114/Breach-of-cordon-essential

I have heard from Friends and family in CHCH that there is more than discontent at the way the cordon is being managed.
It would appear that one reason for the cordon is now to allow unimpeded demolition.
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March 17, 2011 10:58am
Rick Rowling

cancelling the census (truly ridiculous:

Surely sensible as it attempts to give data on typical population statistics, and holding it now would suggest a massive population boost to Timaru, Waimate etc, an a huge population decline in Christchurch.

Give it 6 to 12 months and the data will be much more meaningful.
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March 17, 2011 11:13am
Bobbie black

God what is up with Jacinda’s teeth?

I kid you not I needed a pair of sunglasses to watch the political young guns item on Breakfast today.

She’s flashing them too.
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March 17, 2011 11:16am
Rick Rowling

RightNow (2,371) Says: I see our resident climate botherer is in full troll mode.

Geez, you could be referring to so many of us – did you mean Pete, Luc or Viking2?

IMHO debating climate science on a blog is as pointless as debating evolution. No one present is likely to have anywhere near the expertise to be convincing, but everyone involved will KNOW that they’re right.
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March 17, 2011 11:18am
Pete George

It’s similar to debating evolution Rick – a few insist with religious fervour that the main scientific body work on beliefs.
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March 17, 2011 11:24am
Luc Hansen

The difference, Rick, between me and the other two is that I wish I was wrong in accepting the scientific consensus.

I have a 2 yo daughter.

I do wish that the scientists are wrong, for sure.
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March 17, 2011 11:29am
Manolo

We should try this approach here and put the greenie Nick Smith out of a job.

Ousted Miami Mayor Carlos Alvarez said Wednesday that not only were the last 24 hours in which he was recalled by voters “extremely difficult,” but also the last two years in which his administration struggled to close huge budget deficits.

Alvarez defended his budget, which included a property tax rate increase and salary raise for county employees in a county struggling to recover from the recession.

With 100% of precinct votes counted, 88 percent voted to oust the mayor Tuesday, making Miami-Dade the most populous area, with more than 2.5 million people, ever to recall a local official. Just 12% of the 204,500 who cast ballots were in favor of allowing Alvarez to finish his second term, which ends in 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/16/miami-dade-voters-overwhelmingly-choose-remove-mayor/?test=latestnews
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March 17, 2011 11:31am
Luc Hansen

Where’s David?

I guess being called out doesn’t please him.
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March 17, 2011 11:32am
RightNow

Rick, wear the label if you want.
As you say, debating it on blogs is pointless for the majority of us. It’s become more of a spectator sport.
God botherers, Climate botherers, it’s all moot to me.
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March 17, 2011 11:33am
kowtow

Debate or not whenever warming stories appear the media hype them relentlessly. Much less the other side like this story below.

http://www.news1130.com/news/world/article/197630–icebreakers-freeing-ships-trapped-in-gulf-of-finland-97-still-waiting-for-help
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March 17, 2011 11:57am
Manolo

There’s a fire in Japan
Libya Broken out in Fights,
The Federal deficit
is backed up to unknown heights
Michelle is feeding a child
And Biden is brain idle……

PRESIDENT OBAMA, WHERE ARE YOU?
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March 17, 2011 12:16pm
Simon

NZ dollar is crashing as the Japanese need their money back.

The banks here and in Aust are crapping their pants.

If you buying a house wait because house prices are gonna fall. Its gonna get ugly.
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March 17, 2011 12:16pm
Luc Hansen

Fucking lawyers.
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March 17, 2011 12:17pm
RightNow

Luc, is that related to anything already in this thread, or are you segueing into something else?
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March 17, 2011 12:23pm
Manolo

Take an educated guess at how much money changed hands here? What was the price paid for “protection of the haka from misappropriation”?

The All Blacks will continue their tradition of performing the Ka Mate haka before matches after months of talks with Ngati Toa ended in agreement.

Ngati Toa filed an application last year to trademark four key phrases of the Ka Mate haka. They had previously wanted to gain control of the rights to the entire text, but that application had failed.

Lengthy talks, however, between the New Zealand Rugby Union and the lower North Island iwi have finally led to a mutual understanding and a memorandum is expected to be signed today which acknowledges the All Blacks’ right to perform the pre-match ritual.

Ngati Toa kaumatua and spokesman Taku Parai said the deal simply formalised a previously informal agreement.

“We’ve always accepted the All Blacks performing Ka Mate, so this is just putting a formal acknowledgment in place. It really has always been about ensuring a certain level of protection of the haka from misappropriation.”

http://sport.msn.co.nz/article/8225089/all-blacks-will-keep-performing-the-haka
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March 17, 2011 12:32pm
kowtow

Here’s the price Manolo.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10556148

Only in NZ could the alleged mumblings of a genocidal maniac be turned into a copyrighted cultural icon.
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March 17, 2011 2:29pm
Fisiani

Just watching Question Time and seeing Murray McCully kick Trevors arse over and over again was priceless.
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March 17, 2011 2:36pm
big bruv

Who cares if the All Blacks preform a primitive rain dance before their games anyway?

The NZRU and the government should have told Ngati Toa to go and get stuffed.
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March 17, 2011 2:39pm
DJP6-25

Manolo 11:31 am. Thanks for that info. It’s a pity NZ doesn’t have re-call legislation for Mayors, MPs, and judges.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 17, 2011 2:52pm
Inventory2

That Maryan Street’s a nasty piece of work – check this out, about 45 seconds in …

http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/7815
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March 17, 2011 3:23pm
bereal

Just for the digestion of the US embassy staffer who is charged with monitoring this blog site
And to help him so he can submitt an informed report back to Washington.
Does any correspondent reading this feel that President Obama is doing a good job regarding,
1. US foreign policy.
2. Leading the free world.
3. Having any aim/ambition/direction whatever other than domestic social engineering.
4 Getting his golf handicap down.
5 Having some good holidays. (off to Brazil soon, that will be cool)

i hope some Obama supporters will speak up.
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March 17, 2011 3:26pm
RightNow

Inv2 – Street is representative of her party. Nothing but bile.
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March 17, 2011 3:39pm
bereal

Inventoty2 3.23
A nasty piece of work is an understatement.
That would have to be the lowest effort ever to try and score a political point out of a disaster.
Carter could have replied and wondered how much help to buisness did comrade Clarks visit do.
A very nasty piece of work.
Sickening in fact. Maryan reveals his true colours.
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March 17, 2011 3:40pm
Chuck Bird

I just received an offer to buy my Vector shares for $3.20 from NZ Investment LP.

It is the same outfit that tried a scam before but this time their offer is above market price.

Has anyone got an idea what the current scam is?
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March 17, 2011 4:10pm
Akaroa

Hi Chuck Bird,

Yes, basically it seems to be another scam, but for a fuller insight I suggest you go to the front page of todays Business Herald, which contains an article by Grant Bradley addressing the issue.

It contains the para: “In two-page letters, Trustpower and DNZ shareholders are being offerred above market prices for their shares but in the fine print are told they will be paid off over ten years. They miss out on dividends paid out over those years”

The article advises: “Read the offer carefully” and “Seek advice from an expert….” and “For advice go to http://www.seccom.govt.nz/invest/articles/270810.shtml”

Good Luck!
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March 17, 2011 4:26pm
Chuck Bird

Thanks. I will cost the scum bag another $ 0.60 for postage.
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March 17, 2011 4:30pm
bereal

Looks like the Donald will run.
Hallelujah, he reckons it may cost up to 6oo mill. But.
If he has to he can put it all up himself.
Onya Donald.
Best of British.
The world needs you.
History needs you.
i hope your not too late.
Kia Kaha Donald
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March 17, 2011 5:58pm
joana

Great to see the CHCh business people uniting to confront the civil defence wally , David Hamilton..Why does he still have this job.?.What an outrageous circus. Anyone checked his CV? Sad seeing someone in such a public position making such a cock up of his job ; but much sadder for all those people who have had all sorts of things smashed just because Hamilton has been promoted way beyond his capabilities.
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March 17, 2011 6:30pm
Sofia

Maori tag team Jackson and Tamahere spent some time this afternoon on Radio Live [yes, I know – but in some parts of the country, of what stations are available, it does happen to be the best, whatever that says!] anyhow they were saying they have no objection to what ACT MPs are saying in Parliament – generous of them – respect their right to hold their views, but Jackson and Tamahere did not say, any time I heard, that ACT’s criticism of tikanga is those undefined parts of it that are going to be written into New Zealand law, to become another moving feast like the Treaty of Waitangi, to be reinterpreted by one party as often and as varied as they see fit, or more accurately: as suits their purpose at the time.

Ken Ring is getting regularly screwed over for the views he holds [and is silly enough to express] but they would seem to be quite a bit more scientific than belief that mountains, rivers, lakes and rocks have spirits.

Why write Stone Age beliefs into New Zealand law which politicians year in and year out for bloody decades are supposedly trying to improve streamline and modernise?
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March 17, 2011 7:16pm
wat dabney

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March 17, 2011 7:34pm
wat dabney

Best.Decade. Ever.

“Consider that in 1990, roughly half the global population lived on less than $1 a day; by 2007, the proportion had shrunk to 28 percent — and it will be lower still by the close of 2010.”
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/16/best_decade_ever

Global Capitalism
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March 17, 2011 7:52pm
Hurf Durf

Anyone see that letter in the Hoeruld? Some berk saying there are trace amounts of plutonium in the teeth of UK children, which would cause them to grow third arms and glow et cetera. I’ve read a lot of anti-nuker bullshit over the years (comes with the turf) but I’ve never seen anyone spout that before. The writer said he was from around there though, so that probably accounts for his stupidity.

The BP oil spill destroying all life in the Gulf of Mexico. Four years until we all get roasted to death by global warming. 48 hours until NUCLEAR DEATH. You think the media would sort of slow down on these predictions of death before the wolf really does come.

Best.Decade. Ever.

“Consider that in 1990, roughly half the global population lived on less than $1 a day; by 2007, the proportion had shrunk to 28 percent — and it will be lower still by the close of 2010.”
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/16/best_decade_ever

Global Capitalism

Pffft, shut up man. Capitalism doesn’t work. Journalists tell me so, and they’re all super clever so why should I disbelieve them?
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March 17, 2011 8:11pm
Fisiani

Support for national up. again. will it reach even higher?
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4645
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March 17, 2011 8:51pm
krazykiwi

Support for national up. again. will it reach even higher?

I hope not. Selling our coastline for a few votes. Makes H1 look like a saint.
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March 17, 2011 9:45pm
joana

Apparently the demo companies can help themselves to anything they find in an ”unsafe; building so they are helping themselves to all and sundry and auctioning things off ..making a killing in more ways than one..What a ridiculous law.
The only reason this issue hasn’t really blown up is because CHCH business people are polite and restrained..Too restrained I would say.
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March 17, 2011 9:55pm
Inventory2

@ joana – so you could do a beter job than David Hamilton then? Lots of speculation and innuendo; do you write Parliamentary question for Maryann Street?
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March 17, 2011 10:51pm
TimG_Oz

I know there’s no point answering the lies of Luc Hansen. But I’m going to anyway .. at the very least for the memory of the innocents that have been brutally murdered in the name of hate.

But isn’t it interesting how settler home invasions and wanton killing of Palestinians never make the news over here. I can tell you it’s that’s just everyday stuff that Palestinians endure from the colonists.

Please give examples. I think we all know that should it happen as you say “on a daily basis” that it would be all over the news.

Here’s a more usual example: Settlers and the IDF save the life of a Palestinian Mother and baby. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4043536,00.html

Also love your quote about Hamas:

happily occupying Gaza and actively prevents attacks on Israelis.

Oh thank God! So you’ve finally realised that Gaza is not a prison after all (with the aid billions being re-appropriated). Actively prevents? Perhaps ask the people of Sderot, Beersheba and Ashkelon how the Hamas rockets are being “prevented”. Perhaps we ask Gilad Shalit’s family how the holding of a hostage is being prevented.

(who all believe in fiction anyway).

You already mentioned religious folk.

Hope you including the aforementioned Hamas in there. Except they are religious folk who say it’s OK to kill and kidnap, even though it’s forbidden in the Koran. Surely that is more sick than any other religious folk PG may refer to.
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March 17, 2011 11:25pm
reid

Tim you clearly care very deeply about this intractable issue therefore must have done extensive research so what’s the best indisputably independent source on the web of independent stats (i.e. from neither Palestinian nor Israeli nor US nor US puppets nor US “independent think tank” sources) on the crimes, killings etc on both sides?

What’s the most objective source you can give us?
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March 17, 2011 11:33pm
Shunda barunda

This is the best facebook status I have read for a while:

I have 14 cans of baked beans in the pantry, there’s my disaster supplies all sorted. Do your worst Ken Ring you goddamn witch!
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March 17, 2011 11:49pm
SPC

Manolo raises a fair point for David Garrett and ACT MP’s to explain, if he and they oppose respect for Maori cultural practices in our bi-cultural nation what’s the position on swearing on the bible and parliamentary prayer?
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March 18, 2011 12:12am
TimG_Oz

Hi Reid,

so what’s the best indisputably independent source on the web of independent stats

PeaceNow – founded by Amos Oz (amongst others), who I have met and previously posted about. He’s coming down under on speaking engagements in August (if you are interested).

I challenge you or anybody else to find a more balanced peace organisation (the usual “peace” organisations, including New Zealand’s very own Green party are clearly pro-violence)

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/

Amos Oz is a huge promioter of inter-culture dialog, and the meeting spots he sets up between Jews and Arabs have been the target of Hamas suicide bombings in the past.

Happy to answer any more questions on the subject.

Regards,
Tim
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March 18, 2011 12:21am
Manolo

Sad end for a school named after the Messiah. Quite befitting, really.

The state fiscal monitor who oversees financial operations in the school district Thursday morning ordered the closing of the Barack H. Obama Elementary School as of July 1.

Students next year will go to the district’s two other more modern elementary schools — Thurgood Marshall on the east side and Bradley on the west side.

Bruce Rodman, the monitor, made the decision after the school board in recent weeks failed to support a plan by Schools Superintendent Denise Lowe to reconfigure elementary grades to create early childhood learning centers in the district, a plan which would have kept the Obama school open.

Officially renamed early in 2010 after the president, the building was known as the Bangs Avenue School since it was built a century ago. The state School Development Authority had planned to build a new school to replace the historic building, but has pulled back and Lowe said recently the state would not build a new school.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/03/17/mmm-mmm-mmm-nj-shuts-down-barack-obama-elementary-school/
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March 18, 2011 7:25am
Manolo

Labour-lite is very democratic for doing this, isn’t it?

Speech ban ends for foreshore bill

The Government caved in to delaying tactics on its new foreshore bill yesterday, allowing its MPs to make speeches after three days of silence in an attempt to speed up progress.

The National Party had hoped the bill would pass its final reading this week – but delays from opposing parties meant that will not happen until at least next Thursday, after a protest hikoi is due to arrive in Wellington.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10713178
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March 18, 2011 8:03am
Manolo

The next generation of crooks, criminals and thugs is well under way:

Pupil so drunk in morning he needed hospital care

The man in charge of youth policing in Whangarei is urging parents and caregivers to keep a better eye on their children after a 15-year-old boy was so drunk police had to take him to hospital.

On Monday morning four boys, including one aged 10, were caught by police after a crime spree. “You have to ask the question where are the parents and what are they doing in relation to this?”

The “extremely drunk” boy was picked up while trying to ride a stolen bicycle on Bank St about 8.30am after a concerned member of the public rang police.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10713168
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March 18, 2011 8:07am
TimG_Oz

Hi Reid,

so what’s the best indisputably independent source on the web of independent stats

PeaceNow – founded by Amos Oz (amongst others), who I have met and previously posted about. He’s coming down under on speaking engagements in August (if you are interested).

I challenge you or anybody else to find a more balanced peace organisation (the usual “peace” organisations, including New Zealand’s very own Green party are clearly pro-violence)

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/

Amos Oz is a huge promioter of inter-culture dialog, and the meeting spots he sets up between Jews and Arabs have been the target of Hamas suicide bombings in the past.

Happy to answer any more questions on the subject, Thanks
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March 18, 2011 9:02am

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