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double d

my name is goof and im oof
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March 16, 2011 8:02am
reid

For those concerned about media-driven Japan nuke hysteria, repeating the link given yesterday by someone on GD to an MIT nuclear engineering site that explains in detail the real risk, not the hysterical one…

http://mitnse.com/
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March 16, 2011 8:27am
reid

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
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March 16, 2011 8:32am
Murray

ABC Australia interviewed a nuke specialist scince type dude. Apparently it took them a while to find one because people kept trying to get them to talk to their specialist political agenda talking guy.

The actual expert said rad levels low and dropping, whats the fuss? But of course we was clearly a plant by the right wing military industrial machine and people are growing thrid arms as we speak.

Course next year the a guppy that was exposed to radition will be coming back as Godzilla.

Oh yeah and like 10,000 plus people are dead but thats not on the agenda today. Saying nuke to a leftie is like saying witch to a Spanish Inquistor. The reation is the same and with about as much sense.
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March 16, 2011 8:35am
Lipo

How long will it take if ever for the SFO to charge Alan Hubaard
Been about 9 months now

Shit – Justice take so long in NZ

Not comparing him to Madoff but he was clsoe to being in jail after 9 months
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March 16, 2011 8:41am
Lance

@Murray
A regular mistake Redbaiter makes is assuming EVERONE who has a contrary opinion to him is an extreme left wing nut job. I suggest you don’t go down that path either.
Also to strengthen your argument that the reaction to the Nuclear crisis is ridiculous and a media beat up by using patently ridiculous statements about Godzilla and third arms paints your argument as invalid and not able to be argued with logic.

Now I concede that this can be argued logically and some people have brought up some valid points on the scope of the Nuclear disaster (I assume we actually agree it is a disaster?) and that to focus on this compared to the huge loss of life and devastation of the quake and resultant Tsunami is disproportionate.

Some people such as I have felt is necessary to point out there is more to the story than some people are asserting, Further to use the background of this Nuclear disaster (level 6 emergency seems like a disaster to me) to argue for Nuclear power in NZ while this is still unfolding and then to denounce those whom question this wisdom as fools manipulated by the media and the extreme left does appear at best to be conceited.
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March 16, 2011 9:15am
Luc Hansen

reid

Where you see hysteria, I see rational caution. This episode has been a sequence of failed safety systems. The Japanese are now trying to extinguish burning fuel rods with helicopter-carried monsoon buckets.

I would hazard a guess that this tactic was not in the original plans.

And this tells me that the situation is by no means under control. In fact, the nuclear scientists have been playing catchup since the earthquake.

You are also dealing with a country still traumatised by the only ever use of nuclear weapons in war. While they were negotiating surrender terms.

Now Germany has shut down half their nuclear plants, the older ones, while they have a think. Are they being hysterical?

Or thoughtful?
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March 16, 2011 9:18am
Lance

@Luc
The idea of a hysterical German sounds like an oxy-moron 😉
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March 16, 2011 9:22am
Bobbie black

I was told today that the wind in Japan changed to West and now China is getting ready to evacuate some of its citizens.

Bad.

And red wine can protect us:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3067317/Red-wine-can-protect-against-radiation.html

Good news at last!
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March 16, 2011 9:23am
Manolo

Another very good article from Karl du Fresne. Calling a spade a spade.

A Radio New Zealand listener emailed Morning Report last week complaining that all prime minister John Key had talked about since the Christchurch earthquake was the economy. Nothing about social welfare.

In fact the government and the social welfare system moved very swiftly to ensure that support was in place for those affected by the quake. But that’s largely beside the point, because there’s a much bigger issue here.

The Morning Report listener’s complaint reflected a widespread misapprehension that government is all about redistributing wealth – hardly surprising, given that this was Labour’s main preoccupation when it was in power.

But a much more important function of government is to create an economic environment in which wealth can be created in the first place. You can’t have a Rolls-Royce social welfare system without a prosperous economy generating revenue and taxes to pay for it.

This is the key fact that so often escapes the Left. They want to redistribute wealth without giving too much thought to the inconvenient business of creating it first. Even worse, they seek to penalise the wealth creators.

This is precisely the reason the Clark years were a tragic missed opportunity. The government was so focused on punishing “rich pricks” – in Michael Cullen’s famous words – that it sucked money out of the productive sector and frittered it on middle-class welfare, interest-free student loans, no-questions-asked dole schemes for anyone who fancied themselves as “artists” (one pop band boasted that it kept them in dope) and other follies.

The crucial issue in election year is whether New Zealand can be freed from the ideological grip of ageing baby-boomer socialists who think the measure of a country’s success is the number of people dependent on the state. Are Mr Key and the National Party up to the challenge? I can’t say I’m brimming with confidence.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2011/03/free-speech-means-putting-up-with.html
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March 16, 2011 9:23am
Manolo

Congratulations to Brian Smaller for getting his letter published in today’s Dom Post as feature correspondence.

I’ll shout him some single malt next time he comes to town. 🙂
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March 16, 2011 9:27am
joana

When is the ultimate bureaucrat Hamilton of Civil Defence in CHCH going to be stood down for incompetence..when is he going on fatigue leave or whatever it is he needs??
We do not need the tyrany or ”the nameless and faceless” in CHCH at this point. What he is overseeing in the name of haste is outrageous. What he is not taking responsibility for is outrageous. I never thought he was the brightest and now everyday he is proving me right.
Who are Southern Demolition? Who are Ward demolition? Why are business owners not even being spoken to before their buildings are being demolished? Why are two demo companies being sent to the same job? Who are these out of town cowboys? Are they paying kickbacks to officials?
Dipstick Hamilton must go. Where is the earthquake minister?
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March 16, 2011 9:27am
Pete George

Official hysteria now…

Official: Japan’s nuclear situation nearing severity of Chernobyl

The explosion Tuesday at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has elevated the situation there to a “serious accident” on a level just below Chernobyl, a French nuclear official said, referring to an international scale that rates the severity of such incidents.

“It’s clear we are at Level 6, that’s to say we’re at a level in between what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl,” Andre-Claude Lacoste, president of France’s nuclear safety authority, told reporters Tuesday.

They should be bloody concerned by three explosions and a fire, it’s not a great average, especially as there is plenty of room for further deterioration.

Ah, refer to the next topic. DPF is getting hysterical too.
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March 16, 2011 9:32am
Luc Hansen

Where is the earthquake minister?

Simon Power seems to make the Earth move for DPF, so maybe it’s him?
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March 16, 2011 9:39am
reid

This episode has been a sequence of failed safety systems. The Japanese are now trying to extinguish burning fuel rods with helicopter-carried monsoon buckets. I would hazard a guess that this tactic was not in the original plans. And this tells me that the situation is by no means under control.

How much have you read about the science as opposed to the hysteria?

The plant design is based on defence in depth and the critical barriers have not been penetrated. The reactor building that exploded was there only to keep out the weather, not to keep anything in. The reactor vessel which is the critical part has not been penetrated and the plant successfully shut down as designed when the earthquake, which was magnitudes over the designed limit, hit. The issue is the cooling of the fuel rods. The mains electricity shut down caused the diesel generators to kick in, however they were flooded when the tsunamai hit and the cooling switched to battery power which lasted for seven hours. Meanwhile other generators were bought to the site and are now operating. The explosions were caused by the venting of various gases amongst which is hydrogen to relieve pressure buildup and such venting is a standard part of such an event, which BTW is something all operators practice constantly.

The core by now has been shut down for several days now and there is no repeat no danger of meltdown because the reactor vessel has not repeat not been damaged and furthermore it is specifically designed to contain the rods even if they do go into meltdown. The China syndrome was a movie Luc. There is a difference between that and the real world.

The issue they’re dealing with through the helicopters dumping water in is to replace water in the pool that contains the spent fuel rods which were stupidly, stored about the reactor vessel. when the reactor building expoded this has exposed them to the air and if the water evaporates there will be trouble, however that can be dealt with in a number of ways. Note that spent fuel rods are NOT the ones in the reactor vessel.

The fact is the rods in the vessel themselves are fine, and will be fine. The only issue is the spent fuel rods, and hysterical media reports whipping up paranoid fervour amongst millions of ignorant useful idiots around the world.
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March 16, 2011 9:50am
Lance

@ried
So if it’s all so hunky dory why is it officially a level 6 emergency. Are you accusing the Nuclear regulatory authorities of hysteria?
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March 16, 2011 9:56am
Luc Hansen

hysterical media reports whipping up paranoid fervour amongst millions of useful idiots around the world.

reid, that’s your paranoid fervour, not ours.

Are you aware of the trend of escalation of this crisis?

Like I said, humans are playing catch up. I don’t believe it will ever go close to Chernobyl, but significant numbers of people will suffer, long term, it it does get any worse.

Personally, if I was there, I would take my wife and daughter as far away from there as I could, preferably all the way back to NZ.

Funnily enough, two places we were looking seriously for ex-pat work three years ago was Bahrein and Japan.

Phew!

So reid, are you happy to join Hurf and camp outside the gates of the plant?

I’ll shout you your ticket. 🙂
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March 16, 2011 9:59am
Luc Hansen

And reid, no-one told us that the explosions were part of the safety systems.

Have you got the rundown on how that works?

Just all part of the plan?

Like monsoon buckets?
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March 16, 2011 10:01am
Manolo

The racists squabble while “I always hedge my bets” Finlayson appeases.

Foreshore bill sparks Harawira backlash

The return to Parliament of the new foreshore and seabed bill has reignited the acrimony between independent Maori MP Hone Harawira and his party.

Debate on the Marine and Coastal Area Bill is expected to drag out over at least two days as its opponents seek to delay its final reading until next week to give time for a protest hikoi which left Northland yesterday to reach Parliament.

Yesterday, Attorney General Chris Finlayson was dismissive of the hikoi, which numbers about 100 people – far short of the 20,000 who marched to Parliament in 2004. “I think there are about five or 10 who have left Kaitaia, whether it gathers momentum as they march through the towns, we will wait and see.”

He said the speed with which the bill passed would depend how much Labour “filibustered” to delay the bill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10712714
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March 16, 2011 10:07am
Manolo

Another Asian country that should be told to get lost.

The Philippines government wants extra compensation for the families of its citizens killed in the Christchurch earthquake if inquiries find the Canterbury TV building was not up to scratch.

All 11 Philippines nationals killed in the magnitude 6.3 quake were studying at the King’s English language school in the ill-fated Canterbury TV building when it collapsed and caught fire.

The Philippines government’s first priority was repatriation but if a Royal Commission of Inquiry found liability then the families would demand compensation from those responsible, Philippines Embassy charge d’affaires Giovanni Palec told NZPA.

“The students come here to have a better chance of employment and families have invested a lot of money for them. Some were working and sending income to their families,” Mr Palec said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/4770924/Philippines-may-sue-if-CTV-building-liability-found
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March 16, 2011 10:12am
Murray

Lance the journalist in question told me of the troubles he experienced in finding an unbiased cscientific view. the situation is so patantly rediculous that godzilla siuts the hysteria well.

Many commenters here feel they are morally and interlectually superior to everyone else and like to tell others what to do under the disguise of “advice”. Your tail lights are disappearing down that road.

If I suddenly feel the need for yuor direction I know where to find you. Till then NFI thanks.
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March 16, 2011 10:14am
Luc Hansen

Hmmm, Murray, let’s see if I get his right:

a jounalist has trouble finding an unbiased scientist.

Is that journalist with a story looking for facts, but having trouble?

I think I’ll go with the scientist, on science.
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March 16, 2011 10:27am
Manolo

More peaceful natives making the news. Dole bludgers, I suspect.

Couple returning home shot at by intruders

An elderly woman sought cover as she was shot at by burglars shortly after arriving home from holiday.
Lorena Oldham and her husband John arrived home to find a car parked in their driveway at their Glen Massey home, about 27km northwest of Hamilton.

The couple initially thought the car belonged to their house-sitter and thought little of it.

But Huntly police said they did not know they had disturbed three men who had been loading up the car with their belongings. Police say a firearm from the house was used to shoot at the couple. The burglars then left the scene and raced towards Huntly.

The trio were eventually arrested after throwing stolen property out the window as police chased them.

Stanton Hapeta Edmonds, 26, Joseph Tamati Turner, 33 and Mace Topia Whalley, 25, appeared in the Hamilton District Court yesterday where they jointly faced one charge each of attempting to murder Mrs Oldham.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10712715&ref=rss
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March 16, 2011 10:40am
RichardX

There is a fund raising event this Saturday 19th March at the Holy Trinity Cathedral in Parnell, Auckland at 7.30pm. Lord Jeffrey Archer, author, former politican and many other things, is speaking. $20 donation at the door with all proceeds going to Christchurch Earthquake Appeal.
Could be interesting and supports a good cause
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March 16, 2011 10:43am
Bobbie black

“Stanton Hapeta Edmonds, 26, Joseph Tamati Turner, 33 and Mace Topia Whalley, 25, appeared in the Hamilton District Court yesterday where they jointly faced one charge each of attempting to murder Mrs Oldham.”

Let’s play spot the race…I’ll go first, um Icelandic?

What do you think Grumpyoldhori?
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March 16, 2011 10:45am
reid

And reid, no-one told us that the explosions were part of the safety systems.

Have you got the rundown on how that works?

Just all part of the plan?

Like monsoon buckets?

Luc, read those links I gave above, if you really want answers to your questions. I could re-produce the relevant text here, but why bother.

@ried
So if it’s all so hunky dory why is it officially a level 6 emergency. Are you accusing the Nuclear regulatory authorities of hysteria?

Lance I would assume it’s a Level 6 because of the spent fuel rods, not because of any meltdown hysteria.
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March 16, 2011 10:47am
starboard

“Stanton Hapeta Edmonds, 26, Joseph Tamati Turner, 33 and Mace Topia Whalley, 25, appeared in the Hamilton District Court yesterday where they jointly faced one charge each of attempting to murder Mrs Oldham.”

maori scum..coupla years in the slammer…time off for good behaviour..the scum should be given life , no parole. What sort of sentence would they receive if they did this in the States?
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March 16, 2011 10:55am
joana

Richardx
Ostensibly , it is a good cause..and I thank you on behalf of other CHCh people..but if the demo cowboys are not reined in there won’t be anything much left of the CBD…
A friend of mine lives in the Port Hills area..she was very ticked off about all the fuss over the Eastern Suburbs..This whole thing was very politicised by left leaning activitists..They had a bit of sand but homes , walls etc were wrecked in the hill suburbs and they hardly got a wide angled view. There is also the issue of the Reservoir which lost all its water on Huntsbury hill. The aftershocks are really scarey in these hill suburbs and residents fear what is going to happen in the next big rain. Just a day or so ago , Rachel Smalley TV 3 said the CBD and the Eastern suburbs were the main areas of damage..Amazing how things can take on a life of their own on the telly. If I lived up in those hill suburbs I would feel aggrieved too. More and more people have been allowed to build in these areas in recent years.
Thanks again for you generous spirit Richard.
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March 16, 2011 11:03am
Bobbie black

@Starboard – well in China, let’s just say they would have cost the country three full metal jackets.

I am guessing total cost less than 1000 RMB (for all three). About 200 dollars.

Of course, in good ol friendly guilt ridden Kiwiland, we are probably talking half a million dollars to house, feed, and entertain them, and of couse then we have the post jail treaty claims.
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March 16, 2011 11:27am
Bryla

Nuclear power. Safe under any circumstances!
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March 16, 2011 11:39am
Bobbie black

Isn’t it time that someone close to Phil Goff let him know, subtlely, that he just isn’t suited to politics?

He would be great on a TVNZ game show, or perhaps this is your life.

Spookily, Bob Parker seems set to be the future PM.

Give it up Phil. I respect you and you are a nice guy, great guy, but give someone else a go. Otherwise Labour are doomed.

Geoffrey Palmer probably suffered the same fate.

Time to go.
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March 16, 2011 11:39am
KevinH

The situation in the Nuclear plant is critical, the Japanese govt is playing down the seriousness of the accident which has already exceeded the Chernobyl accident by a factor of 2 ( 3 meltdowns as oppossed to one).
The tsunami on friday wiped out the integrated cooling systems as well as destroying the water treatment facilities, and what we are witnessing is a catastrophic failure that is unprecendented.
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March 16, 2011 11:55am
jinpy

Regarding the Japanese hysteria, Its interesting how some people tend to interpret all world events through a political lens, when really its a question of factual validity and incomplete knowledge. A critical thinker would hedge their bets and not rely on a single report one way or another.
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March 16, 2011 12:06pm
minto57

So tell me again what was the point was the submission process.
The ninny needs to remove his head from his arse
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March 16, 2011 12:47pm
Dave Mann

STOP PRESS! News has come in from Japan. Tsunami kills 10,000+ people and destroys towns and villages along a 2000 km path….. Nuclear power incident slightly injures15. Gee, that dirty unsafe nuclear power, eh? No wonder nobody likes it.
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March 16, 2011 1:26pm
Bryla

It’s completely SAFE!
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March 16, 2011 1:28pm
Dave Mann

Oh hang on… … One of those injuries was apparently quite serious. That makes it even worse! Obviously we should ban nuclear power.
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March 16, 2011 1:31pm
Pete George

Another slight difference Dave – the worst of the tsunami is over, it’s now basically counting up and cleaning up. The worst of the increasing number of serious reactor problems may be yet to come – and could possible linger for years, or generations.

And another – a lot will be learnt from the tsunami, but it is just a matter of knowing how to improve early warning, evacuation procedures, and cross your fingers.

Justified or not the repercussions of the possible risks of nuclear power could impact significantly, even severely, on future power production.
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March 16, 2011 1:39pm
Manolo

Train station named after a useless politician. I expect it to revert to its previous name once this non-enity disappears.

Frequent train rider, Vice President Joe Biden will be forever linked with the Wilmington train station.

In honor of the long-time Amtrak rider and strong advocate of passenger rail, the newly renovated station will be dedicated as the Joseph R. Biden, Jr., Railroad Station on Saturday. As a U.S. Senator from Delaware for 36 years, Biden regularly traveled by train between Wilmington and Washington, D.C.

Wilmington Station underwent a nearly two-year, $37.7-million renovation. Funding for the project included $20 million from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Biden-Rail-Station-Dedication-Set-117961529.html?dr
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March 16, 2011 1:42pm
Dave Mann

Pete, nothing is going to linger for generations except that future generations will benefit from am already safety obsessed nuclear industry further developing their systems as a result me what they have learnt from this.

As far as the Tsunami warnings in, almost nothing can protect you from am almighty fucking wall of water 2000kms long crashing down at you faster than you could drive away from it on a dead flat road mate.

Shit happens. Lets face it.
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March 16, 2011 1:47pm
Bryla

What part of “completely, totally SAFE” don’t you understand?
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March 16, 2011 2:06pm
reid

the Japanese govt is playing down the seriousness of the accident which has already exceeded the Chernobyl accident by a factor of 2 ( 3 meltdowns as oppossed to one).

Kevin you’re being hysterical.

Where is the evidence there has been a meltdown: i.e. the fuel rods in the reactor vessel have melted into a gloopy mass?

Hint: There isn’t any evidence.

What has happened in case you didn’t know, is that all three reactors shut down as designed, immediately after the quake. There is residual heat which is causing the current issues but there is no evidence any of the reactor vessels have failed and so far they are performing as designed.

At Chernobyl there was no similar protection in the form of the 17 inch thick stainless steel reactor vessel designed to withstand the extreme heat of a meltdown so when the building blew apart there it released all the radiation. You can’t compare the design of Chernobyl to the design of Fukushima unless you’re an idiot or a hysterical schoolgirl.
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March 16, 2011 2:24pm
wreck1080

Incidentally, Tauranga/Mt Maunganui still does not have a working Tsunami alarm.

They do have some sirens , but most people couldn’t hear them when they tested it.

I think it’s disgusting that authorities can’t get something – they are citing that it is too expensive to build a mobile notification system.

I wonder, if they’d think it were too expensive after the event? And, it will happen at some time in the future.
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March 16, 2011 2:27pm
DJP6-25

Murray 8:35am. You nailed it.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 16, 2011 2:37pm
DJP6-25

reid 9:50am. Ah, some hysteria free facts. Thanks.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 16, 2011 2:43pm
Lance

Yea
Concern over an out of control fire at a Nuclear reactor is hysterical shrieking.

Glad I understand that now.
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March 16, 2011 2:50pm
DJP6-25

Murray 8:35am. You certainly got that right.

cheers

David Prosser
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March 16, 2011 3:00pm
lofty

@wreck1080. The Mount Papamoa area has no sirens, apprently they were removed and people now have to rely on electronic notification (if they sign up for it I suppose).
Still only 3 ways out of that area of coast.
In the event of a tsunami, God knows what the consequences would be , I shudder to think.
It appears that the council and local civil defence have slotted this little issue into the too hard basket.
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March 16, 2011 3:08pm
wreck1080

NZ managed funds score lowest in the world.

Despite all of the taxation and disclosure reforms that NZ has made in the last few years, we just scored a D- .

http://corporate.morningstar.com/us/asp/subject.aspx?xmlfile=174.xml&filter=PR4642

This is disgraceful. For all of John Keys blathering about wanting to encourage investment etc, we are still one of the worst countries in the world in which to put money into managed funds.

This country will always be on the backburner until we give tax incentives for investing.

Did you know, that , if you own shares worth 1million, then, you lose 100k , and gain 100k the year after, you will be back to 1 million – yet, you will have paid tax of approx 15,000 even though you made no money at all.

The rules are complex though, you need a whole year to learn how it works.
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March 16, 2011 3:10pm
double d

its official – Christchurch has been stripped of ALL RWC games.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10712838
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March 16, 2011 3:24pm
Manolo

Gaddafi is winning
Muammar Qaddafi’s forces overwhelmed rebels in the strategic eastern city of Ajdabiya, hammering them with airstrikes, missiles, tanks and artillery Tuesday in an assault that sent residents fleeing and appeared to open the way for an all-out government offensive on the opposition’s main stronghold in the east, Benghazi.

In desperation, rebels sent up two antiquated warplanes that struck a government ship bombarding Ajdabiya from the Mediterranean. But as tanks rolled into the city from two directions and rockets relentlessly pounded houses and shops, the ragtag opposition fighters’ defenses appeared to break down.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/15/fearing-attack-libya-rebels-fortify-eastern-town/

While the useless U.N. passes toothless resolutions.

A proposal to establish a no-fly zone over Libya has been introduced to the U.N. Security Council, though both its chance of passage and effectiveness even if it does pass are very much in doubt.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/15/uns-security-council-introduces-fly-draft-resolution-libya/?test=latestnews
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March 16, 2011 4:47pm
wreck1080

I wonder, what will Libya be like once Gaddafi has suppressed the rebels?

Could get nasty if he determines to execute all of the rebels.
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March 16, 2011 6:15pm
Viking2

wreck1080 (1,443) Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

NZ managed funds score lowest in the world.

Despite all of the taxation and disclosure reforms that NZ has made in the last few years, we just scored a D- .

http://corporate.morningstar.com/us/asp/subject.aspx?xmlfile=174.xml&filter=PR4642

This is disgraceful. For all of John Keys blathering about wanting to encourage investment etc, we are still one of the worst countries in the world in which to put money into managed funds.

Yep and Gareth Morgan was ranting the last few days about housing losing value. Obviously not as much as funds and shares and guess what is going to be in demand in the next few years. Shares, funds. Yeh Right.
Never seen a share portfolio that gives shelter and have yet to see any fund that is not at the mercy of anyone but shylocks and charlatans and money manipulators.
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March 16, 2011 6:36pm
Manolo

Could get nasty if he determines to execute all of the rebels.

Is there any doubt Gadaffi will wipe out any opposition to his brutal regime? The whole world will watch the massacre and do nothing.
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March 16, 2011 6:36pm
Viking2

Talking of charlatans and so on. Here’s another once insightful knowledgeable man in his own subject making an arse of himself once more in defence of Jowave. ( i.e. John, Smile and Wave).

PM’s chief scientist hits out at quake forecasters
4:00 PM Wednesday Mar 16, 2011

Nobody can predict when an earthquake will strike, the Prime Minister’s chief science adviser says.

The Government and the Royal Society of New Zealand today released a scientific paper at a briefing in Wellington, looking at earthquake predictions and future earthquake risks for Christchurch and New Zealand.

During the briefing, Sir Peter Gluckman hit out at Ken Ring’s controversial prediction that another big quake will hit Christchurch on or near March 20.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10712870
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March 16, 2011 6:40pm
Manolo

Thank you, Viking2.
It shows there is no loyalty among thieves and charlatans. The irony is no lost in seeing the AGW charlatan attacking the earthquake one.

Both are sellers of snake oil.

We have seen Smith and now Gluckman attack the nutter Ring. We could expect smile-and-wave Key himself joining the fray.
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March 16, 2011 6:43pm
Viking2

Well no. According to Trev he (Key) is hiding in his office.
Shit it must be hard to be the boss when you just can’t fire those you don’t like or want.
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March 16, 2011 7:15pm
Fisiani

just watch question time today to see Labour get their butts kicked over and over
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March 16, 2011 7:24pm
bereal

Gaddafi will dish out plenty of demerit points when he eventually takes Bengazhi.
No doubt in the true Arab way there will be no mercy.
His sons will take care of buisnes just like Saddams sons did.
What a pity there is no leader of the free world.

Nice try Sarkosy but without the anointed one there is no hope.
Of course the anointed one has bigger problems supporting unions in Wisconsin.

Lovely story about Mumamars favorite mayor of Bengazhi when she ran out of
the crowd to cling onto the legs of of one of his opponents to show her support
as he was being hanged when she was a 20 year old looking for a career.
Thats how she got her start. Now she’ll be back.
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March 16, 2011 7:25pm
hj

“ACT MP Hilary Calvert has been labelled a racist, over a speech she made in Parliament last night.

During debate on the marine and coastal bill she called tikanga – or Maori customs – an “Alice in Wonderland world”.

She also said Maori couldn’t prove customary title to the seabed.

“No one historically crawled about on the seabed, miles from shore,” she said.

“There was just no chance of anybody holding their breath from 1840 until now on the seabed – that’s not going to happen.”
http://www.3news.co.nz/defaultStrip.aspx?tabid=213&articleID=202670
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March 16, 2011 7:33pm
hj

In Parliament yesterday, during debates on The Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill, Ms Calvert was disparaging about how the legislation had to take into account Maori rights.

“Tikanga is an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ word. It means whatever the Queen – I think it was the Red or White Queen – said it would mean, no more and no less.”

Under the bill tikanga covered inherited rights and interests, she said.

“So we are to believe that this Alice in Wonderland word, a word that can be defined by the person claiming some property in our coastal land, creates legal rights based entirely on the say-so of the claimant. We might just as well ask iwi for a list of what they want and put through a legal transfer.”

Later in the evening she questioned Maori rights to relating to the seabed saying it was questionable that historical use any distance from shore happened.

“Historically no one has crawled about the seabed miles from shore… There is just no chance from 1840 to now of anybody holding their breath on the seabed.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4775423/Race-row-over-ACT-comments-on-Foreshore
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March 16, 2011 7:41pm
joana

More shyte tonight from david hamilton….civil defence..when is this going to end? When is this guy going to get the sack? Anyone would think it is circus he is running. Who promoted the codger to this positon? Amazing restraint being shown by CHCh business owners..Where do these demo cowboys come from? Who is currently in charge of USAR?
Where is Brownlee?? MIA as per usual.
Hopefully the next victim won’t be one of these very restrained CHCH types and Hamilton wears it.
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March 16, 2011 8:37pm
Hurf Durf

Must say I’m enjoying the spectacle of Puke Hansen pretending to be “thoughtful.”

Must also convey my appreciation, the same man who thinks a revolution that killed 300 people is a “nonviolent civic organisation,” continuing to be stupid rather than logical and sensible.

Their trademarks, isn’t it?
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March 16, 2011 8:38pm
Bryla

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March 17, 2011 1:06am
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Yep, no problem. Dickhead.
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