General Debate 07 March 2011

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starboard

Big up’s TV3..love the new morning format for grown ups…and no John Campbell to be seen…
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March 7, 2011 8:28am
Pete George

Comparing party leader’s comments on the by election…

Leader Phil Goff said the swing to Labour was 4.2 per cent in the National stronghold.

“Despite the appalling weather, a higher percentage of Labour voters turned out, while National and ACT supporters stayed away in droves,” Mr Goff said.

“This should be a wake-up call to National that its failure to manage the economy and the impact of its policies are alienating more and more New Zealanders.”

Prime Minister John Key said he was happy with National’s victory but did not want to read too much into it.

“I think it shows that the Government’s in good shape, that it’s tracking well, but I think the turnout is so low and the conditions are so unusual that I wouldn’t read too much into it either way.”

Goff is again replete with standard eye glazing political blah blah blah.
Key puts in a political plug but reverts to stating the obvious.

Colin James backs this up and says after crunching the numbers there was “so little Left-Right swing that nothing much can be read into the result”.

This shows why Key has more voter empathy – his comments tend towards being realistic and believable, while far too often Goff hits the turn off switch.
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March 7, 2011 8:52am
minto57

Cardonay chunts need to take care if they think introducing the Marine and Coastal Area Bill to Parliament is the sneaky thing to do
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March 7, 2011 9:21am
Yvette

I am still mystified at the lack of any reference to ‘state-of-the-art software’, Edreflect – “BEING INSTALLED in leading Auckland’s Macleans College, a decile-10 state school in Howick”, according to NZ herald yesterday, “HOPES TO INSTALL” in the next sentence – and subject of a 97 comment post ‘Heresy’ here on kiwiblog.

How is something, with so little status, ‘state-of-the-art ‘
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March 7, 2011 9:30am
mikeysmokes

Good to see the Meateaters choke in the Cricket overnight. Strange game, if it was Pakistan, Sri Lanka or the Windies everyone would be calling it fixed.
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March 7, 2011 9:41am
Christopher Thomson

mikey; me too. I sat up and saw the 4th SA wicket fall and figured it was a walk in in the park and toddled off to bed. totally surprised when catching the news this morning.

Same feeling about the Irish/English game.

I have watched all the others and always seem to miss the boil-overs.
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March 7, 2011 10:19am
Murray

Why is it that for some people the first relief they’ve seen came yesterday and in the form of a private citizen using his own resources to gather and deliver supplies to them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SbI1cgGNbg

Bob Parker keeps saying they’re on top of it… but it doesn’t look like it.
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March 7, 2011 10:21am
RightNow

The Marine and Coastal Area Bill is strike 3 for National. Ignoring the referendum results on the S59 amendment, and introducing the Emissions Tax Scam were strikes 1 and 2.

Does anybody know what cities in Australia don’t have water restrictions?
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March 7, 2011 10:26am
Inventory2

TVNZ is at it again; inventing news instead of reporting news:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/03/newsbreakers-or-newsmakers.html

Am I being too cyncial in suggesting that it might have something to do with what Starboard commented about at 8.28am?
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March 7, 2011 10:29am
BeaB

Revealing vignettes in the Koru Lounge last night. Murray McCully in a sharp suit and open neck white shirt, carrying a briefcase and sitting quietly with a cuppa.

Metiria Turei in a too-tight tee shirt, long skirt and jandals amply re-filling her plate with another helping of curry and rice and still unable to wait to start forking it down before getting back to her seat. She has packed on the weight and looked fat and unhealthy.

Then downstairs to the departure gate to see Hone charge off to be first in the queue leaving his wife about five people behind, carrying the bags and hurrying to catch up.
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March 7, 2011 10:33am
gazzmaniac

RightNow – there are no water restrictions in SE QLD at the moment. However, the cost of living is higher and you will get the shits with an even worse bureaucracy than in NZ on the odd occasion you have to deal with the government. You’ll also pay a small fortune to buy or rent a house.
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March 7, 2011 10:46am
RightNow

Thanks gazz, Brissy looks like a contender, and realistically the house prices don’t look much worse than Wellington. I’m picking the exchange rate will get more favourable around the time Gillard’s government falls apart too.
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March 7, 2011 11:11am
Manolo

Metiria Turei in a too-tight tee shirt, long skirt and jandals..

Ah, that woman has an exquisite taste for clothes. The fat Luddite is a sartorial champion.
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March 7, 2011 11:23am
starboard

Fill-in goof is delirious…” Botany was a win for the left and a defeat for the right “. What planet are you on Goff?? You lost. Labour did not win . Labour lost ! No matter how much spin you put on it , no matter how many charts and figures you drag out..you lost. NZ does not want you or your lot anywhere near the company chequebook for the forseeable future. Step down and retire now whilst you still retain an iota of dignity.
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March 7, 2011 11:26am
Pete George

The current blog poll is difficult to answer, I’d give a partial tick to all three options.

Do you think Ken Ring can predict earthquakes?

Yes – but only slightly raised possibility, not with any degree of accuracy (place, time, size) that is any use
No, but I think he genuinely believes he can – I think he probably genuinely believes he can
No, he is a charlatan exploiting vulnerable people – I think he’s a charlatan exploiting vulnerable people
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March 7, 2011 11:46am
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Quite simply I believe that anyone found guilty of inflicting pain or mistreating a animal should have the same form of cruelty inflicted upon them which they inflicted upon the animal

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4739708/Horrific-attack-on-horse-shocks

New Zealand’s record of animal abuse is increasing and it is shameful.
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March 7, 2011 12:36pm
Ryan Sproull

Quite simply I believe that anyone found guilty of inflicting pain or mistreating a animal should have the same form of cruelty inflicted upon them which they inflicted upon the animal

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4739708/Horrific-attack-on-horse-shocks

New Zealand’s record of animal abuse is increasing and it is shameful.

That’s fucking awful.
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March 7, 2011 12:39pm
Jeremy Harris

Wanna read a post about the history of the National Party and what it was actually formed to represent..? This is a good start:

http://truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/new-zealand-national-party-founding-principles-1936/
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March 7, 2011 12:44pm
Lance

@only red
I would settle for the injury inflicted on any person be visited upon the perpetrator, animals to follow.
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March 7, 2011 12:47pm
RRM

What are Maori obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi to compensate those that have suffered a loss due to the quake?

We are constantly hearing of Maori entitlements to benefits derived from “the land” because of the “partnership” between the Crown and the tribes. I see the Crown coughing up some money due to their obligations, so can someone give me the billing address for Maori so I can bill them for the damage their land has caused to my house – or is the money flow a one way deal?
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March 7, 2011 12:49pm
Yvette

RRM – we have already found the answer to your question is NO when compensation was reputedly sought after the initial quake last September for land which is found to be faulty.
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March 7, 2011 1:03pm
Manolo

What are Maori obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi to compensate those that have suffered a loss due to the quake?

That must be the joke of the century!

The wonderful Treaty is a one-way avenue where all money goes towards Maori tribes to be spent on productive huis, consultation with kaumatuas, piss-up meetings at the marae, and above all on the promotion of the wonderful and advanced local “culture”, e.g., waka carving, flax weaving, tiki making, etc.
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March 7, 2011 1:12pm
kowtow

Positive developments in politics in France.
Electorates are getting fed up with “established” parties that fail to address real problems. Note the scary language used by the Left leaning BBC….Shock, far right,offensive,populist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12660329
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March 7, 2011 1:35pm
mawm

The National Party intends pushing the Marine and Coastal Area Bill through Parliament this week. John Key promised he would withdraw the bill if there wasn’t widespread public support. It appears that there is not.

This Bill will allow secret deals between Maoritocracy and a friendly Minister, instead of the Courts, (http://www.nzcpr.com/maoripartypaper_lr.pdf ) and eventually will lead to privatisation of our whole coast. This bill also shifts the burden of proof, which means that iwi will no longer have to prove that customary title exists, to the Crown who now will have to prove that it does not!

It is extremely dangerous in that it is sure to lead to racial unrest as the Maoritocracy start charging ordinary New Zealanders for access to the beaches, to be able to fish their waters – both Joe Public and commercial enterprises, and as coastal developments are held up until the bribes are sufficiently extortionate. It will also give Maoridom the huge wealth that lies in our seabed and on our foreshore.

John Key, Chris Findlayson, the National Party and Peter Dunne do not have the electorate’s mandate to introduce this bill. It is a massive betrayal of the ordinary Kiwi and will not be able to be undone.

Remember how Key and his party have listened to us over S59, the ETS , and the Electoral Finance Act. Once again they intend rammining this through Parliament …….. while the public are looking the other way.
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March 7, 2011 2:24pm
Manolo

John Key, Chris Findlayson, the National Party and Peter Dunne do not have the electorate’s mandate to introduce this bill.

They don’t but they will.
To the eternal shame of Labour-lite and its acolytes, the selling out and pandering to the racists is almost complete. The word treason comes to mind.
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March 7, 2011 2:31pm
kowtow

To the National Party researchers who read this blog.

You don’t get my vote cos of Foreshore, ETS and a lack of leadership on the anti parent bill.
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March 7, 2011 2:37pm
BeaB

I would love a dollar for every Bill that will be the end of civilisation as we know it. I suspect the Marine and Foreshore Bill will make little difference to any of us, not really satisfy anybody (Maori or Pakeha) and settle comfortably into obscurity.

It amazes me what people find to rant and froth about while our local bodies incur massive debt, pay themselves astronomical salaries and keep ramping up the rates.

That has a direct and daily effect on us all yet Manolo etc are much happier madly tilting at their racist windmills and searching their thesaurus for yet more inflammatory vocab.
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March 7, 2011 2:39pm
Manolo

To the National Party researchers who read this blog:
You don’t get my vote because of the absolute lack of leadership and testicles after more than two years in power.
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March 7, 2011 2:42pm
mawm

BeaB –

Read what Muriel Newman says about the Bill @ http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly264.htm and what Chris Trotter has to say @ http://www.nzcpr.com/guest231.htm

Educate yourself about it and maybe you won’t be so amazed. What does amaze me is how the NZ public are like possums in the headlights over this.
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March 7, 2011 2:54pm
Pete George

Mawm, I think you’re incorrect on all your dire claims about what will happen due to the Marine and Coastal Area Bill. What is your source? Seems to be old scaremongering.
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March 7, 2011 2:56pm
BeaB

And both Newman and Trotter are such unbiassed and objective commentators!
Believe it or not, it is possible to be both well informed and not at all alarmed.
The NZ public, I think, know this is a largely irrelevant issue and all the racist scaremongering leaves them cold.
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March 7, 2011 2:58pm
mawm

BeaB – I linked to them as they are from opposite poles. I think Newman and the Coastal Coalition have it spot on.

Pete George – I have given you enough links – three so far, now do some work for yourself, visit them and follow links within them to get the facts. I know that you can (maybe/possibly). What is telling is that the vast majority of submissions to the Committee were against this Bill.
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March 7, 2011 3:04pm
Manolo

More entrenched racism and rubbish from the incompetent Nick Smith:

“The Environmental Protection Authority has been established to strengthen and improve New Zealand’s environmental management. It will be an independent Crown agent at arms length from the Government with its own board of directors.

The role of the Establishment Board is to start the recruitment process for a chief executive for the EPA, and give consideration to appointments to and terms of reference for the Māori Advisory Committee and Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Committee,” Dr Smith said.

Hat Tip: TrueBlue NZ
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March 7, 2011 3:42pm
nasska

BeaB @ 2.39pm

I doubt many people are happy or satisfied about the Marine & Coastal Area Bill but our leaders have sold us out & are blind & deaf to all protestations. I would be less worried if the clause enabling clandestine deals between cabinet & the promoters of apartheid had been struck out. The lack of disinfection afforded by light shining on these backroom antics concerns me much more than the bill itself.

Your reminder that the ripoff artists in local government are getting fat while passing on ludicrous rate increases is timely. The short fat trougher heading ACT needs to be reminded that not long ago he was looking to limit rate increases to 2% pa. A decrease of a similar amount for the next ten years might bring the rates bill of the average homeowner back to reality.
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March 7, 2011 4:00pm
Inventory2

@ Manolo (2.42pm) – d’ya think they didn’t already know that? 🙂
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March 7, 2011 4:06pm
Manolo

@ Manolo (2.42pm) – d’ya think they didn’t already know that?

IV2, I just wanted to dispel any lingering doubt. 😀
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March 7, 2011 4:11pm
Manolo

Waging war by proxy.

America’s secret plan to arm Libya’s rebels

Desperate to avoid US military involvement in Libya in the event of a prolonged struggle between the Gaddafi regime and its opponents, the Americans have asked Saudi Arabia if it can supply weapons to the rebels in Benghazi.

The Saudi Kingdom, already facing a “day of rage” from its 10 per cent Shia Muslim community on Friday, with a ban on all demonstrations, has so far failed to respond to Washington’s highly classified request, although King Abdullah personally loathes the Libyan leader, who tried to assassinate him just over a year ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/americas-secret-plan-to-arm-libyas-rebels-2234227.html
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March 7, 2011 4:15pm
nasska

It must be something in the water. On P8 of Section A of the Dom Post this morning is an report of a group of mental defectives in rural Hastings asking for a bigger rates increase. It seems that the masochists weren’t content with the council’s proposed increase of 0.78% & have pleaded with the troughers to raise the increase to 2% to provide future flood clean ups.

Councils should be operating on a sinking lid budget, not the gold plated version funded by the ratepayers they purport to serve.

It would seem a good time to underwrite Madam Lash’s expansion of her Houses of Pain into Hawkes Bay. There would be no shortage of clientele.
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March 7, 2011 4:21pm
Pete George

It’s a weird world Manolo, not only the promoter of freedom and democracy secretly urging a non democratic monarchy who doesn’t want it’s own uprising to support an uprising in another country – but a democratic monarchy is also dabbling in the uprising.

SAS and MI6 officers released by Libya’s rebel commanders

Who dares… gets trussed up by farm guards, as MI6 and SAS actions cause major embarrassment for British government

Same country country fighting Islamic extremists, and holding Wikileaks leader in prison.

WikiLeaks cables warn of extremist beliefs

Leaked diplomatic cables obtained by the WikiLeaks website and passed to The Daily Telegraph disclose fears that eastern Libya is being overrun by extremists intent on overthrowing Colonel Gaddafi’s regime.

Try working out how that’s all going to end up – except for the obvious, more expensive oil.
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March 7, 2011 4:34pm
Christopher Thomson

The Americans arming the Libyan rebels. Now that sounds like a good plan that really worked out well in Afghanistan – not.
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March 7, 2011 4:43pm
Lazybum

Only a provincial holiday for the Chch memorial on 18 March.
Should have been a national one to signal end of greiving and start of the rebuild/revival.
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March 7, 2011 5:43pm
Christopher Thomson

Bugger, I am out of town and working. That’s 3 days off this year already.

Never mind, I shall take 29 September in lieu.
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March 7, 2011 5:53pm
big bruv

Don’t know if anybody else has covered this so far but have a look at this crazy wimin and then tell me what the fuck she is doing being an MP?

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/?p=21610

I cannot wait until she is out of a job come November.
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March 7, 2011 7:49pm
nickb

Catherine Delahunty is a mad bitch alright.

She should be in a padded room, not Parliament. Imagine if John Key abused brainwashed Green party kids like this? He would probably be hounded to resign.

This will not even raise a single line in the MSM. It shows the so called “calibre” of the Green party when our MSM won;t criticise them for their daily brain farts and general fuckwittery.
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March 7, 2011 8:00pm
bhudson

I think it shows that Delahunty has no respect for the views of young people. There she was in full on “I am older than you. I know better than you” mode. And she would be the first to profess bewilderment at why people don’t take the views and policies of the Greens seriously.
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March 7, 2011 8:07pm
Fisiani

In the Brave New World of Red Alert Trevor Mallard has libelled Gerry Brownlee. When called out on this and asked to apologise like a man he has deleted all critisism and banned me for 3 months. I wear it as a badge of honour.
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March 7, 2011 8:57pm
Viking2

John’s summary of the Three Kings Finlayson public meeting on 3rd March.

Mr Finlayson will take no comfort from the Three Kings meeting last night. He faced hostile questions from the beginning. At least 90% of the audience was supporting the Coastal Coalition.

He began with a history of the legislation but only… started in 2003, leaving out the long settled history of Crown ownership before that. He raised the 12000 existing titles to foreshore and seabed red herring. When I asked him how many of these went below the average high tide mark, he said lots. I had to say How many twice more to get him to say around 200. According to LINZ there are less than 50. He then ignored me and I was unable to ask another question all evening.

He seemed to indicate that the wording “without charge” would be added to the Bill but refused to say why this only applies to “every individual” and not to groups. He tried to invoke the sanctity of property rights, comparing our beaches to a chair or a table. It’s a pretty funny chair or table which can be lost for 150 years and then your try and reclaim it on the basis it belonged to your great great grandfather. And of course no mention of the fact that when beaches and seabeds became Crown property in the nineteenth century every person (Maori and some Pakeha) who lost some local rights gained a share in the foreshores and seabeds of the whole country. Any descendent getting special rights to some particular part of the country under this Bill now should lose their rights as members of the public to the remaining publicly owned beaches and seabeds, shouldn’t they?

It was not reassuring to hear the minister state that Thorndon Quay should be safe but all the Eastern Bay of Plenty could go to Te Whanau a Apanui and Taranaki to the iwi there. Will the beachside baches at Te Kaha mean that a small sliver of beach remains in Crown ownership? Nor was it reassuring to hear the Minister contradict himself on how far out customary title might extend, admitting that in the Sealord settlement and the Kaikoura whale watching case a “right of development” had been found to exist.

Nor was it reassuring to hear him admit that iwi could put in claims to hundreds of kilometres of coast and the onus was on the Government to prove that “exclusive possession” had been substantially interrupted.

Once the principle of private title has been conceded owners of customary titles will naturally ask “how come we own this and we can’t get any benefit from owning it” Future governments will concede more and more until there is nothing let.

One final question left the Minister hurrying off without any answer to cries of Shame – “Can you say your Coastal and Marine Bill will be any better drafted than the Auckland City Council Bill which has given unelected, unrepresentative advisory board members votes on every Council subcommittee without any one of seven councils noticing what it was going to mean.”

John

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=990&sid=7fff326769166caf7a02843caeaed8dd&p=34497#p34497
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March 7, 2011 9:43pm
Nookin

Is the onus on the crown to disprove continuous possession or is the onus on Iwi to prove continuous possession? There is a slight difference.
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March 7, 2011 9:56pm
Viking2

It would seem the onus is on the Crown.
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March 7, 2011 10:27pm
Hurf Durf

The Americans arming the Libyan rebels. Now that sounds like a good plan that really worked out well in Afghanistan – not.

Well, Barky has wanted to put his own stamp on foreign policy. And what better to leave for his successor in 2012 than a string of bellicose Islamist regimes stretching from the Straits of Gibraltar to the Gulf of Oman? At this point it’s a case of whether known knowns or known unknowns are preferred.

As for Krazy Katherine, that sort of behaviour should be expected from a member of a totalitarian ideology who sings in parliament.
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