General Debate 9 February 2011

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Brian Harmer

Yes!
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February 9, 2011 8:15am
nasska

No!
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February 9, 2011 8:18am
Peter

The Greens want to run the country, yet fail to organise themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/4us567o

You just couldn’t make this stuff up.

And why wasn’t he taking the bus?
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February 9, 2011 8:19am
hj

Arrowtown a good test case for the Demographia people. Hugh Pavletich should take a stand as he did on the English villages (letter to Times)

These letters were in Mountain Scene:

It seems property developers again want to expand Arrowtown’s urban areas, with an appeal lodged with the Environment Court challenging the planning commisioners’ decisions. QLDC conducted rigourous consultationourt on these plan changes, with meetings with and submissions from hundreds of residents and ratepayers, before coming down with a well-balanced decision in the best interests of the district as a whole.

Now there’s another attack on the Arrowtown boundaryand a desire for urban growth elsewhere. Do we want housing over the whole Wakatipu basin?Once again action is needed. ……..

Dame Elizabeth Hanan

Arrowtown

I love Arrowtown the way it is… just maybe a bit bigger.

When QLDC denied the Arrowtown South Subdivision, did it have any insight into the effect the decision might have on first home buyers?…..
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February 9, 2011 8:20am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/little-substance-to-the-asset-sales-reasoning/

“…Like any frugal Kiwi weathering the recession, John Key has been squirrelling away his political capital –

– and now we have finally seen what he wants to spend it on.

Flogging the family silver is firmly back on the agenda.

The reasoning behind this flashback to the garage sales we had under Rogernomics and Ruthenasia is that it will increase national savings –

– help us avoid an Irish-style collapse – and refocus our economy on exports.

Just how plausible are these claims?

Any householder knows that selling your assets doesn’t necessarily lift your savings.

Sure, debts cost us money, but assets usually earn us money too – so selling an asset to pay off debt means our income and our expenses both fall.

Unless the asset is useless – we would most likely be in the same situation afterwards.

It is the equivalent of selling the house in order to pay back the mortgage;…

… unless the house is a poorly performing asset (too big for your needs) or the debt is crippling – then it is pointless.

The bits of family silver on the block are clearly not poorly performing assets –

– electricity companies are getting good returns…” (cont..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 8:24am
hj

The talent available to the Greens has to go through the gauntlet of weird and extreme members. I imagine Kennedy Graham has to hold his nose.
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February 9, 2011 8:27am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/george-monbiotin-david-cameron-we-have-a-leader-whose-job-is-to-quietly-legitimise-a-semi-criminal-money-laundering-economy/

’I would love to see tax reductions,” David Cameron told the Sunday Telegraph at the weekend, “but when you’re borrowing 11% of your GDP, it’s not possible to make significant net tax cuts.

It just isn’t.”

Oh no?

Then how come he’s planning the biggest and crudest corporate tax cut in living memory?

If you’ve heard nothing of it – you’re in good company.

The obscure adjustments the government is planning to the tax acts of 1988 and 2009 have been missed by almost everyone –

– and are, anyway, almost impossible to understand without expert help.

But as soon as you grasp the implications – you realise that a kind of corporate coup d’etat is taking place.

Like the dismantling of the NHS and the sale of public forests – no one voted for this measure – as it wasn’t in the manifestos.

While Cameron insists that he occupies the centre ground of British politics – that he shares our burdens and feels our pain –

– he has quietly been plotting with banks and businesses to engineer the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle to the ultra-rich that this country has seen in a century.

The latest heist has been explained to me by the former tax inspector – now a Private Eye journalist Richard Brooks –

– and current senior tax staff who can’t be named.

Here’s how it works…”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 8:28am
hj

“New Zealand has been warned to act now to prepare to cope with thousands of climate-change migrants within the next 30 to 50 years.”

They are warning of a demographic crisis as the population of these (environmentally wise) indigenous people rockets.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/mnr/2011/02/09/new_zealand_warned_to_prepare_for_climate_migrants
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February 9, 2011 8:32am
big bruv

Morning Phool

287 Minimum wage jobs listed in the Auckland area today, the first one is for a bin cleaner, that sounds ideal for you.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx?search=1&mcat=5000-&sidebar=1&selected141=&140=1&141=&154=&153=&142=&144=-1&144=20000&sidebarSearch_keypresses=0&sidebarSearch_suggested=0
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February 9, 2011 8:36am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/why-vegans-have-that-golden-glownow-we-can-say-eat-fruit-and-veg-and-you-will-look-better-in-six-to-eight-weeks/

“…Most of us know that eating five portions of fruit and vegetables a day will do us far more good than 20 minutes on a sun bed or two hours basted with factor 10 and sprawled on a Mediterranean beach in high summer.

But new research suggests that it will also make us more attractive to the opposite sex.

Consequently, it seems far more likely to affect the dietary habits of the young – than any amount of hectoring from the Department of Health.

“Currently we tell them to ‘eat well or in 50 years you will have a heart attack’,” says Ian Stephen, 29, assistant professor of psychology at Nottingham University’s Malaysian campus.

“Now we can say: ‘eat fruit and veg and you will look better in six to eight weeks’.”

But he is adamant that he never set out to find a novel way of reinforcing medical advice.

“I don’t really care what people do,” he insists.

“I’m an experimental psychologist, not a public health PR man.

However, our results suggest that eating well – and staying out of the sun – would make you look healthier.”

How come?

Well, the key component is the carotenoid – an antioxidant responsible for the red colouring found in, for instance, tomatoes, peppers, plums and carrots.

That redness eventually imbues the human skin with yellowness – or rather a healthy-looking golden glow.

“Carotenoids are stored in fat under the skin,” Stephen explains.

“They are also secreted through the skin in serum – and are then reabsorbed into the top layer of the skin –

– bestowing that golden colour.”…” (cont..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 8:41am
hj

Government policies blamed for house prices

The government believes immigration benefits everyone….. yeah right.
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/research-confirms-immigration039s-contribution-new-zealand

However, not for the fist time this is being called into question:
http://www.interest.co.nz/sites/default/files/swg-report-jan11.pdf

“The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

HOW WE SUBSIDISE DEVELOPERS:
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Carter An Ally. National’s Local Govt spokesman, John Carter, appears to be on side with Banks saying Auckland’s infrastructure needs to be improved urgently. Carter says, “If we are serious about Auckland being a world-class city that competes with Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, then it needs to have high-class regional infrastructure which makes the most effective use of regional assets.” He is optimistic National’s promised watering down of the RMA will loosen the brakes on development and speed the development and construction of major transport projects such as motorway extensions.

http://www.nztransport-logistics.co.nz/home/free-articles/heat-on-nats-o…
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February 9, 2011 8:44am
jims_whare

You’re fired up today Philly – something to do with John Key’s welfare reforms huh? Worried that your career as a professional bludger might be coming to an end.

What a sad day that would be sniff sniff.
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February 9, 2011 8:44am
philu

anderton noted yesterday that the railways were sold to fay richwhite..

…for less than the value of the wooden sleepers…

(he also promised to projectile-vomit if he heard the canard ‘mum & dad investors’ again…)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 8:46am
big bruv

Come on Phool, as jims said, your time as a bludger is coming to an end.

Would it not be better for you to get a job yourself than suffer the embarrassment of being kicked off the DPB?
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February 9, 2011 8:51am
thedavincimode

“Most of us know that eating five portions of fruit and vegetables a day will do us far more good than 20 minutes on a sun bed or two hours basted with factor 10 and sprawled on a Mediterranean beach in high summer.

… But new research suggests that it will also make us more attractive to the opposite sex.”

Hopefully Joan Nathan and Huia Tamaka won’t see this.
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February 9, 2011 8:51am
philu

re all those utter bullshit pro assett-stripping arguments coming forward again:…

fool us once…your bad…

fool us twice….our bad…

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 8:52am
Manolo

A few months in jail and she’ll be free and ready to resume maiming and killing people on the roads.

A 17-year-old drink-driver wept softly in court as she admitted the manslaughter of two friends in a horrific early-morning crash.

Tuoho Marire Ta Moko Tini Christy, who was 16 at the time of the crash, changed her pleas yesterday to guilty to the manslaughter of Robert Waikari and Max Harman, both 17.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4634237/Weeping-teen-admits-friends-manslaughter
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February 9, 2011 8:55am
hj

The LTSA (Land Transport Safety Authority) has been clamping down on unlicensed tour operators. With burgeoning numbers from China operators using rental vans have been carting clients around minus tour services license (tsl) log book or ird contribution.
The Chinese government has insisted that buses carting Chinese tourists must be Qualmarked and the Qualmark people have been inspecting. This has put a lot of small (park up the suburban driveway and wash suds into stormwater) operators off the road over Chinese New Year.
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February 9, 2011 8:59am
petal

Almost all of the USA’s ambassadors have been recalled to the US to attend a briefing. This has never happened before. Something big is up….
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February 9, 2011 9:10am
dime

im sure communists like nasty ole jim hate hearing “mum and dad investers”.

much better to paint them as faceless, mutli-national behemoths, here to steal from good ole kiwis like triple dip jim
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February 9, 2011 9:10am
jaba

good to see philu down at the library using it’s Internet bright and early.
the welfare reforms are a threat to his lifestyle so maybe he can find a woman willing to bear a child for him every five years .. that would be a way around the new rules.
anyway .. the dreaded foreshore and seabed thing. I sense the fight isn’t about pipis and paua .. not even oil, which would be way offshore anyway BUT the ironsands .. Maori at Taharoa are already doing alright out of the ironsands being shipped to China but it seems the potential value of “our” ironsands is in the region of $26 billion .. that’s B i l l i o n.
I understand that ironsand doesn’t fall under the same rules (nationalised) as gold, silver petrol em etc.
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February 9, 2011 9:18am
malcolm

Iwi Mafia Line Up At Latest Trough:

“Maori leaders are working behind the scenes to ensure they get a stake in any state-owned assets that are privatised.

The Prime Minister has suggested selling off part of Mighty River Power, Meridian, Genesis and Solid Energy and selling more Air New Zealand shares.

Iwi leaders say Maori must be involved in such deals, if they go ahead.

One idea is to merge tribal and other Maori organisations into a consortium with far more money to buy shares than individual iwi would have. {absolutely no benefit to anyone but the bosses of the Iwi – why don’t they buy shares and distribute them to their members?}

Another proposal is for iwi with unresolved Treaty settlements to receive shares as part of their settlement.

Tribal leaders say their plans would ensure privatised assets remain in New Zealand.”

Copyright © 2011, Radio New Zealand
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February 9, 2011 9:18am
wreck1080

Auckland council have just shelled out 3.4 million for a ‘maori board’.

650k is allocated for some maori fellah to find out how many happy maoris live in auckland. This is absolutely true.

Again, Auckland council are paying 650k to find out the number of happy maoris.

Thankfully, this is not my council.

WHERE IS RODNEY HYDE? He seems to be keeping a low profile lately.
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February 9, 2011 9:21am
Luc Hansen

# hj (716) Says:
February 9th, 2011 at 8:32 am

“New Zealand has been warned to act now to prepare to cope with thousands of climate-change migrants within the next 30 to 50 years.”

They are warning of a demographic crisis as the population of these (environmentally wise) indigenous people rockets.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/mnr/2011/02/09/new_zealand_warned_to_prepare_for_climate_migrants

hj listens to national Radio. Well, I never would have believed it!

Thank you for posting the link, hj, you beat me to it.

But I hope you understand that these indigenous (and other) peoples are not reponsible for their misfortune. This is because they have been largely pedestrians or cyclists while we industrialised nations have been building smokestacks or driving gas guzzlers that emit 2-3 kgs of CO2 for every litre of petrol consumed.

And lucky New Zealand is a prime target for climate refugees because we will be one of the least affected land mass on the planet and we have plenty of room. I would not be surprised to see the international community compel us to accept large numbers of these people (mostly Muslims, too, by the way).

I remind you that I have warning of this impending event here for some time, but still many hold the view that climate change is a long term problem without understanding that there are already wars, famines, floods, pestilences and species flight (including human flight) as a result of anthropogenic emissions.

What are you going to do about it?
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February 9, 2011 9:25am
Manolo

Comrade Brown pushing his racist policies down the throat of gullible Aucklanders:

The unelected Maori Statutory Board will cost Auckland ratepayers $3.4 million a year to run after its budget was rushed through under urgency yesterday.

Councillors were given virtually no time to consider the budget, which has blown out from a $400,000 estimate – by the agency that set up the Super City – to a multi-million-dollar cost.

Mayor Len Brown will have to slash $3 million from existing spending in his first budget or raise rates to pay for the unbudgeted cost. The funding agreement approves $2,066,000 for the remaining eight months of this year’s budget and $3,435,500 for 2011-2012.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10705020
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February 9, 2011 9:26am
petal

http://usdebtclock.org/
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February 9, 2011 9:27am
big bruv

Luc

“What are you going to do about it?”

Nothing, nothing at all.

You and I both know it is a massive con, the whole climate change bullshit has one aim and that is the massive transfer of wealth.
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February 9, 2011 9:29am
Manolo

WHERE IS RODNEY HYDE?

A very good question indeed. Where is Rodney Hide, leader of ACT?

Why hasn’t he spoken against the government’s inaction on the reform of the welfare state? Or, is he too busy enjoying the perks and baubles of power to listen to honest citizens of this country anymore?

Where is Rodney Hide?
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February 9, 2011 9:31am
dime

luc – i plan on doing nothing 🙂

let em drown. they will just create carbon emissions when they get here!

too harsh?? Maybe! But Lucs fairy tale needs a villian (a white male of course, the most evil of all gods creations) 🙂
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February 9, 2011 9:33am
slightlyrighty

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4634892/Sweden-accused-of-acting-improperly-in-Assange-probe

I see Assanges lawyers are argueing that he won’t get a fair trial in Sweden because “an initial prosecutor “acted against the laws of confidentiality, telling one of our tabloid newspapers that Julian was suspected of rape.” He said prosecutors and police had also leaked details of the case to the media. ”

Oh the irony………….
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February 9, 2011 9:34am
malcolm

I distinctly recall that the unelected Maori Statutory Board wouldn’t have a voting capacity. Now I read that they will indeed be able to vote.

Are New Zealanders happy to have two classes of citizen; an unelected ruling class and the rest? Most civilised countries ditched this arrangement centuries ago. Ironically in NZ we’ve decided that our ruling class should be drawn from the ranks of the least successful people, with the highest crime rates.

And please don’t think this is just an Auckland problem. A precedent has been set and if the government couldn’t/wouldn’t stop it the first time, they’re hardly likely to find a backbone for next time.
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February 9, 2011 9:34am
wreck1080

I’m worried.

I don’t know how many happy maoris live in auckland. I’ve been concerned with this for sometime now.

Can anyone help?
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February 9, 2011 9:41am
hj

Luc Hansen (racial masochist):
“But I hope you understand that these indigenous (and other) peoples are not reponsible for their misfortune. ”

Not for climate change as they didn’t have the wealth but yes for the population explosion (unless it was passing sailors)?
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February 9, 2011 9:42am
mawm

A precedent has been set and if the government couldn’t/wouldn’t stop it the first time, they’re hardly likely to find a backbone the next time.

Exactly!

Comments in the Herald on the survey as to how one would vote today, I’m surprised at the number of Nat voters on the left who’ll move to greens or Labour, how many are going to vote Winston First, and how many have expressed their absolute disdain for National and Act. If this is a fair sounding of voters, I’d say that the Nats are in the doo-doo.
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February 9, 2011 9:43am
big bruv

Why is anybody surprised at Lying Brown’s behaviour?

If you look at his political history the man has left a trail of lies, theft of public funds and broken promises behind him.

He is a socialist, all socialist are crooks.
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February 9, 2011 9:44am
starboard

“Auckland council have just shelled out 3.4 million for a ‘maori board’.
650k is allocated for some maori fellah to find out how many happy maoris live in auckland. This is absolutely true.
Again, Auckland council are paying 650k to find out the number of happy maoris”

..aw thats classic…it really is.
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February 9, 2011 9:44am
All_on_Red

“without understanding that there are already wars, famines, floods, pestilences and species flight (including human flight) as a result of anthropogenic emissions”

I think the person “without understanding” is poor old ignorant Luc. Stick to slamming the Jews Luc. You know nothing about physics.
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February 9, 2011 9:44am
hj

“I remind you that I have warning of this impending event here for some time, but still many hold the view that climate change is a long term problem without understanding that there are already wars, famines, floods, pestilences and species flight (including human flight) as a result of anthropogenic emissions.”

Funny how the factions claim the moral high ground on climate change when in fact only a tiny fraction of humanity can claim to be innocent. That doesn’t include the poor as they are waiting inline for the wealth that buys a gas guzzler. Amongst the few who could claim the moral high ground would be the Amish.
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February 9, 2011 9:52am
trout

This Maori Statutory Board which was to be advisory has suddenly morphed (with the connivance of Len Brown) into an ‘ethnic oversight board’ which is placing itself to supervise and oversee Council business. It is a group of unelected Maori (appointed by te Puni Kokori) funded by Auckland ratepayers. The over-the-top budget provides for make work jobs for the whanau and juicy consultant fees for Board members.
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February 9, 2011 9:52am
mawm

hj – humour me just a second and answer this question honestly. How many trees have you planted in your life?
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February 9, 2011 10:00am
hj

Some peoples idea of a state asset is the children supported by the DPB (especially when holy-tangatwhenua).
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February 9, 2011 10:00am
mawm

hj – humour me just a second and answer this question honestly. How many trees have you planted in your life?

Oops – that should have been directed at Luc as well. Apologies.

So Luc could you also answer the question?
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February 9, 2011 10:07am
RightNow

Climate change is a non-issue, only kept alive by those who can make money from it.

real-world observations fail to confirm essentially all of the alarming predictions of significant increases in the frequency and severity of droughts, floods and hurricanes that climate models suggest should occur in response to a global warming of the magnitude that was experienced by the earth over the past two centuries as it gradually recovered from the much-lower-than-present temperatures characteristic of the depths of the Little Ice Age. And other observations have shown that the rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations associated with the development of the Industrial Revolution have actually been good for the planet, as they have significantly enhanced the plant productivity and vegetative water use efficiency of earth’s natural and agro-ecosystems, leading to a significant “greening of the earth.”

http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/prudentpath/execsum.php
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February 9, 2011 10:11am
Manolo

An uphill battle for the (false) Messiah:

Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

More than half of registered voters believe President Obama will lose a bid for a second term, even as more Americans say they approve of his job performance than at any time in more than a year.

A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, released Tuesday, shows 51 percent of registered voters, and the same percentage of adult Americans, believe Obama will lose if he runs for re-election. 46 percent say he would win.

And more voters say, at the moment, they will vote against Obama. Fully 51 percent say they definitely or probably will not vote for Obama, while 47 percent say they’re predisposed to vote for him. Independent voters would vote against Obama by a 44 to 53 percent margin, while he would win moderates by a much larger 55 to 45 percent margin.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/02/americans-think.php
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February 9, 2011 10:12am
hj

hj – humour me just a second and answer this question honestly. How many trees have you planted in your life?
…………….
I would like a block of land to plant trees on but I can only afford my suburban pad. With successive governments flogging the country off to foreigners one can’t compete.
I planted trees as a young sapling on my Grandfathers reserve. The reserve is now surrounded by expensive properties: the sort of product Harcourts sold at their Shaghai pavillion.
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February 9, 2011 10:14am
hj

You climate change isn’t happening crowd are a bunch of dead beats; history will judge you harshly— (I’m sorry)– 😥
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February 9, 2011 10:19am
mawm

hj – I’m sure we won’t get an answer from Luc. Like most climate alarmists blaming everyone else, he’ll never have done anything to prevent it (or what they perceive to be the cause of it). BTW one can plant trees on the suburban pad…….just not a native or the council will own it. 😉

If you truely believed in CO2 as the cause of climate change then you should be planting today
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February 9, 2011 10:24am
Manolo

When asked about Len Brown’s decision, all Christine Fletcher (yes, the same useless one) had to say was “the full council should have been involved in approving the budget.”

How lame and pathetic is that? Why not say loud and cleat that this racist decision has no legal basis and should be rejected outright?

Passivity to this inititative from Len Brown is the worst possible attitude. The racists and their supporters need to be confronted.

Where is Rodney Hyde, minister of Local Government?
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February 9, 2011 10:26am
malcolm

Where is Rodney Hyde, minister of Local Government?
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February 9, 2011 10:27am
malcolm

Where is Rodney Hyde, minister of Local Government?!
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February 9, 2011 10:27am
malcolm

Where is Rodney Hyde, minister of Local Government?!?!
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February 9, 2011 10:28am
big bruv

“Where is Rodney Hyde, minister of Local Government?!?!”

Playing with his baubles, as he has done for the last two years.

In many ways Rodney is like Winston, he can be silenced with a few shiny beads and blankets.
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February 9, 2011 10:34am
RightNow

“You climate change isn’t happening crowd are a bunch of dead beats; history will judge you harshly”

The climate is changing, as it always has. Satisfied?
And so far history has already harshly judged Climate Science ®

It’s all explained here: http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/prudentpath/toc.php
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February 9, 2011 10:35am
malcolm

Rodney Hiding, minister of Local Government.
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February 9, 2011 10:42am
Manolo

I expect National Party’s Jamie-Lee Ross to voice his strong and resolute opinion against Len Brown’s pandering to Maori. Yeah right!
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February 9, 2011 10:56am
side show bob

Let the extortion begin, fucking dorkland will be a corrupt hell hole in a few years time. What a fucking con, so much for democracy, it’s pure fiction up north. A prediction (philu will be impressed). The brown arsed parasites on this new board will need to have their thieving fucking palms greased before any big project gets the nod in Dorkland, of course one will need the blessing of Lens house niggers and they of course will require Koha in great amounts for progress to continue. This 3.5 million is simply money to placate the natives but it will backfire on the socialist fuckwit Brown. Brown was probably hoping to pay for an easy ride he has simply invited the brown Mafia in to help themselves.
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February 9, 2011 11:04am
Manolo

Brown was probably hoping to pay for an easy ride he has simply invited the brown Mafia in to help themselves.

That’s a very accurate description of the situation, so where is Rodney Hide, minister of Local Government?
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February 9, 2011 11:09am
ciaron

of course one will need the blessing of Lens house niggers

Dammit, coffee all over me keyboard!
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February 9, 2011 11:10am
Luc Hansen

OK, I’m back for a short while – toddler needed attention.

hj: I was just like most of you guys until I sat down at the computer and did some decent research on the topic, which initially consisted of chasing down all the arguments against AGW presented on here and examining their credibility.

I found said credibility sadly lacking. An example is those presented by RN, which I haven’t got time address right now, and plus it’s pretty sickening to watch you people performing such a, cynical, self-serving disservice to humanity.

Much to my discomfort, I had to concede I was wrong and that we are faced with a serious problem. It is not yet an apocalyptic problem, as some would have you believe I say, but is is of increasing urgency.

Do I plant trees? We are planting an edible orchard in our rather large backyard. Does that answer that question?

Do we plant enough to counterbalance our CO2 emission? Probably not, but this problem is not going to be resolved by individual actions – the problem is simple too large.

To All on Red – that argument doesn’t hold water. I don’t need to do physics (although I was top of the class at HS). This is what I know. Nearly all climate scientists, ALL internationally and nationally recognised credible science associations and academies tell us we have a problem. And every credible government of the world accepts that and have attempted, without much success so far, to do something. That’s good enough for me. If it’s physics you want, you just need to start with the basic laws of thermodynamics, especially where it says if you add energy to a system, it gets warmer. Even I understand that.

As regards the dissenting scientists, none at all disagree that planet is warming, and none (that I know of) disagree that is it largely caused by human activities. On Real Climate you can see in a debate that even Richard Lindzen agrees with the IPCC consensus report. He just like to bottom dwell in the lowest ranges, instead of the more realistic uppermost estimates (the path that A1FI is setting us on). I can post the link later or you can actually do a site search yourself.

Oh, also, All on Red, I don’t Jew bash. As an atheist, I don’t have much truck with any religion, and they are all the same to me, but people have an absolute right to their religion. But I do, if you like, in your parlance, bash Israel, absolutely. I bash them for their actions and policies, and something like 94% of the world’s governments agree with me, judging by the regular UNGA votes involving Israel.

I doubt if I would last long here if the Jewish blog owner thought I was “bashing Jews.”

Conversely, he allows, quite disgustingly, in my opinion, you guys to bash Muslims ad infinitum, to the extent that if he and this site is not in breach of the law, he and it should be (he because he can turn that stuff off quite easily, but he won’t).

What else am I doing about climate change? I am involving myself in a project to raise awareness and to pressure our government to do stuff that is in their power, without having to wait for the US to come to the party. A prime example is campaigning to leave the Southland lignite in the ground. And not reopening Pike River would be great, as well. So watch this space. Even armchair activism can make a difference, as Mubarak would readily attest to.

Finally, Right Now, there was no global Little Ice Age to “recover from”. It was a localised occurence. like the MWP.

Keep the personal abuse coming, ladies and gentlemen. It says more about you, I think, than myself.

Now I need some fresh air.
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February 9, 2011 11:22am
RightNow

Luc, so what you’re essentially saying is “blah blah blah”.
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February 9, 2011 11:26am
Manolo

A lying politician is taken to task for speaking with a forked tongue.
It would be good to see the same happening here to Key, e.g., no GST hike, no ETS, etc, etc.

Obama’s Claim That He Did Not Raise Taxes Is Rejected As ‘Blatantly False’ by Taxpayer Watchdog

President Obama’s assertion on Sunday that he “didn’t raise taxes once” is “blatantly false,” a taxpayer watchdog group says. Obama made the claim in his pre-Super Bowl interview with Fox News host Bill O’Reilly.

According to Americans for Tax Reform (ATR), Obama has signed into law at least two dozen tax increases. The first one – a federal tobacco tax hike – came just 16 days into his presidency.

ATR says the $1 trillion health care overhaul alone added numerous taxes, including the individual mandate that requires most Americans to purchase health insurance or else pay a fine.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-s-claim-he-did-not-raise-taxes-rej
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February 9, 2011 11:32am
side show bob

“Now I need some fresh air”, me to, what a stinking load of shit.
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February 9, 2011 11:33am
Manolo

Credit where credit is due. Warney is a love rat and true shagging legend. 🙂

British model Elizabeth Hurley has touched down in Melbourne and gone straight to visit love interest Shane Warne at his home.

Hurley, 45, was photographed walking into Warne’s home less than one hour after her plane landed at 8pm local time, according to reports in Fairfax newspapers and the Herald Sun.

http://sport.msn.co.nz/article/8208382/liz-hurley-touches-down-seen-at-warnes-house
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February 9, 2011 11:52am
Bevan

Finally, Right Now, there was no global Little Ice Age to “recover from”. It was a localised occurence. like the MWP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Looks like it was far from localized to me. And the only doubt I can see regarding the Little Ice Ace comes from the IPCC – not exactly non-partisan wouldnt you agree?
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February 9, 2011 11:53am
big bruv

Shane Warne is God!
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February 9, 2011 11:55am
Luc Hansen

Yes, but it surrounds you continually, doesn’t it, ssb?

Blow me down, I turned around and the toddler was asleep! I knew she was tired this morning but she refused to nap earlier. Ah well, that’s good, I’m well overdue to brace that other pit of anti-humanity, KBRM (google it) so I’ll doddle off over there and then to my website on them for a while.

BUT…in the meantime…

Those interested science behind AGW, explained in words we can all understand, can listen to this short talk by NASA scientist Gavin Schmidt: http://www.adlerpodcast.com/GCCF/adler_gccf_podcast_feed.xml

And the climate change migration report hj linked to above was based on work by the Asian Development Bank, and how seriously that organisation takes climate change can be seen by the attention the topic gets in its latest press releases here: http://www.adb.org/News/

To the best of my knowledge, the only actual climate change deniers in parliament are those two buffoons, Hide and Boscowan. Don Nicholson buddies up to them, too. The sad thing is that all three seem perfectly affable chaps, successful enough in their own fields to be treated with degrees of respect, yet they think they know better than all the world’s science academies and associations.

I guess it shows, in the end, cowardice. The cowardice that people exhibit in refusing to face up the consequences of their own actions.
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February 9, 2011 12:02pm
RightNow

I also find god-like qualities in Warney’s endeavours. I used to think he was just a cocky ozzie (but grudgingly accepting that he is a great bowler), but he’s gone up a fair bit in my estimation lately.
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February 9, 2011 12:12pm
philu

tvone has been pumping out anti-cannabis lies/scare-stories..

..saying they have definite proof linking cannabis use and schitzophrenia..

..and they are fucken lying…

thiis is from a recent time magazine piece which asked the marijuana/schitzophrenia link…

the conclusion:

“…“…In the new review, researchers also cite studies linking a particular gene to sensitivity to cannabis, which could help explain why most marijuana smokers don’t have a higher risk of schizophrenia –

– and why even many people with schizophrenia do not have earlier onset connected with cannabis use.

Still, none of the data linking marijuana use and psychosis can prove causality –

– or sufficiently explain why rates of schizophrenia have remained stable or even declined since the 1950s –

– while marijuana use has increased exponentially.

Unlike rates of cigarette smoking and lung cancer – which rise in tandem –

– marijuana smoking rates in the population do not correlate with higher rates of schizophrenia…”

y’know..just that one fucken fact…that schitzophrenia case numbers have dropped since the 1950′.s..

..during a period when pot use has exploded…

…makes their whole premise a big fucken lie….

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:19pm
RightNow

yeah phlu, you’re the poster boy for cannabis not affecting your mental health. You and Jared Loughner.
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February 9, 2011 12:25pm
Michaels

The “ban it bitch” is back……… http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10705100
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February 9, 2011 12:25pm
starboard

..ya soundin a bit paranoid there phool..a bit wound up…lots of anger and F words…maybe you should have a toke…calm back down..yeah man , thats better.. oohh yeah sweet weed…
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February 9, 2011 12:28pm
Luc Hansen

for Right Now

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11645

See all climate myths in our special feature.

Some climate sceptics argue that the warming we are now experiencing is simply due to the planet recovering from the Little Ice Age, a period of regionally cold conditions between roughly AD 1350 and 1850. But the key question is why it was colder during the Little Ice Age. And why didn’t the climate remain that way, or even get colder still?

The Earth does not have some natural temperature to which it always returns. If it cools, then it must be receiving less heat from the Sun or radiating more into space, or both. If it warms, it must be receiving more heat or retaining more heat.

The term “Little Ice Age” is somewhat questionable, because there was no single, well-defined period of prolonged cold around the entire planet. After 1600, there are records of average winter temperatures in Europe and North America that were as much as 2°C lower than present (although the third coldest winter in England since 1659 was in 1963).

Comparisons of temperature indicators such as tree-ring records from around the northern hemisphere suggest there were several widespread cold intervals between 1580 and 1850.

Yet while there is some evidence of cold intervals in parts of the southern hemisphere during this time, they do not appear to coincide with those in the northern hemisphere. Such findings suggest the Little Ice Age may have been more of a regional phenomenon than a global one.
Heat transport

Solar radiation was probably lower at times during this period, especially during a dip in solar activity called the Maunder minimum around 1700, but models and temperature reconstructions suggest this would have reduced average global temperatures by 0.4ºC at most.

The larger falls in temperature in Europe and North American may have been due to changes in atmospheric circulation over the North Atlantic, or in the Gulf Stream, or both, reducing heat transport from the tropics (see Climate change sceptics lose vital argument).

The warming after the so-called Little Ice Age may reflect both an increase in solar activity and a redistribution of heat around the planet. In particular, the increase in global temperature in the first half of the 20th century may have been largely due to an increase in solar activity. The continued warming in recent decades, however, cannot be explained by increases in solar radiation alone (see Climate myths: Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans).

Your busted!
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February 9, 2011 12:30pm
ciaron

Seeing as your lungs are designed to transfer oxygen and carbon dioxide in and out of your blood stream, how can anyone think its a great idea to inhale smoke of any description?

(note: I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to, just wondering why people do)
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February 9, 2011 12:31pm
RightNow

Thanks for thinking of me Luc, but I’m not interested. I’m content now to carry on with my life as normal, while the empirical evidence continues to prove that the climate models are very wrong.

BTW, the contracted form of ‘You are’ isn’t ‘Your’.
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February 9, 2011 12:34pm
starboard

Phool..a question. Do you smoke da weed around your boy?
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February 9, 2011 12:36pm
ciaron

but models and temperature reconstructions suggest this would have reduced average global temperatures by 0.4ºC at most.

Well, thats the catch, isn’t it? models and reconstructions inevitably include assumptions and only ever produce suggestion or theory, not fact.
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February 9, 2011 12:37pm
philu

no…i’m hard-line on that…have been for a couple of decades…

on children being exposed to second-hand smoke…

..either cigarette or weed…

..it’s a big no-no…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:42pm
philu

“..just wondering why people do)..”

‘cos they like kissing the sky…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:43pm
ciaron

‘cos they like kissing the sky…

Well, that was helpful…
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February 9, 2011 12:47pm
hj

The US fears that Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest crude oil exporter, may not have enough reserves to prevent oil prices escalating, confidential cables from its embassy in Riyadh show.

The cables, released by WikiLeaks, urge Washington to take seriously a warning from a senior Saudi government oil executive that the kingdom’s crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300bn barrels – nearly 40%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/08/saudi-oil-reserves-overstated-wikileaks
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February 9, 2011 12:48pm
Viking2

Sue Brad ford doesn’t want to be the prize.

‘Win a wife’ competition sparks outrage
11:50 AM Wednesday Feb 9, 2011

A radio competition offering listeners the chance to “win a wife” has appalled a former MP who is calling for it to be pulled.

The winner of MediaWorks’ The Rock promotion will fly to the Ukraine for 12 nights, be given $2000 spending money, and be able to choose a bride from an agency.

The station says it won’t offer the opportunity to just anybody and plans to “weed out the no-hopers and time-wasters” with its application form and various psychological tests.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10705100
Oppourtunity for dime perhaps?
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February 9, 2011 12:50pm
joana

Isn’t Rodney Hide changing nappies or re learning how to change them?
About climate change..isn’t the issue not whether it is happening but what/who is causing it?? if it is happening.
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February 9, 2011 12:50pm
philu

come back ‘sunrise’…all is forgiven…!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:51pm
philu

“..Well, that was helpful…..”

it’s like lots of things..

…if you haven’t been there…you wouldn’t know…’

i don’t ‘understand’ rugby..

but if people want to do it..?

..meh..!

i’m just asking for the same..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:52pm
hj

Israel finds Gas
“Since its founding as a nation in May 1948, Israel has had three major concerns: the building of a nation-state and the integration of Jews from 146 nations, national security and the securing of its energy needs.

In terms of energy, Israel was dependent on importation. It had minerals for export from the Dead Sea, but not gas and oil. In the past 60 years, every square-inch of the nation was explored by geologists. Except for some very modest discoveries of oil in the Sinai, which was returned to Egypt in the 1970s under the Carter-Sadat-Begin agreement, and equally modest deposits of gas, they came up empty-handed.

Golda Meir, the prime minister in the 1970s, once joked that Moses wandered for 40 years but did not arrive in a land with oil and gas. But geologists long suspected that gas and oil would be found. Vast underground deposits of fresh water had been found offshore and the geography suggested that somewhere there was gas.

They were right. They recently found the mother load. For the Israelis, this is the greatest find since an Arab boy found the Dead Sea Scrolls in caves high above the salt sea.”
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/lifestyles/spirituality/x566174212/Sander-A-Diamond-Israel-finds-gas-energy-independence
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February 9, 2011 12:55pm
ciaron

Sod of you ignorant fool. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know inhaling smoke is detrimental to your lungs.
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February 9, 2011 12:55pm
philu

i think you might need some there ciaron…

..to clear/smooth yr fevered/knotted brow…eh..?

are you always this ‘edgy’..?

ohil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:01pm
Put it away

Phool never let good science get in the way of his desire to get baked. Doesn’t matter how many people go insane from it, as long as phool gets to spark up a doob then none of those poor unfortunates matter. Jeez phool, you could join the science evaluation and ethics dept of a tobacco company.

..P.S. wonder if the herb also causes OCD..
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February 9, 2011 1:02pm
Luc Hansen

Biggest ever protests in Cairo today as hundreds of thousands cram in and around Tahir Square.

As pressure on Mubarak grows, those who think VP Sulieman is the answer should read this: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html (Title: Sulieman, The CIA’s man in Cairo)

Joana, the answer to your question is no. The issues now are mitigation, adaption and justice. But who would you believe, anyway? The Royal Society not good enough for you? 173 governments not good enough for you? 97-98% (depending on which survey you believe) of climate scientists not good enough for you? What do you need? A quote from the Bible?
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February 9, 2011 1:03pm
philu

“..Sod of (sic) you ignorant fool. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know inhaling smoke is detrimental to your lungs…”

which is why god invented vaporisers…eh…?

or you can bake it in a cake/cookies…

..you don’t have to inhale smoke..

.and pot smoke has different properties to tobacco…

i can give you links/evidence shd you require them..

eh..?

chill dude/dudette…!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:05pm
philu

got any evidence/links there..put it away..?

or is it just orifice-plucked material…leavened with irrational prejudice..?

..so many of yr scrawls/yelps are…eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:08pm
ciaron

If my brow is fevered/knotted it’s because I work for a living and it pisses me off to think you’re buying drugs with money forcibly taken from me.
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February 9, 2011 1:10pm
Bevan

he Royal Society not good enough for you? 173 governments not good enough for you? 97-98% (depending on which survey you believe) of climate scientists not good enough for you?

Why do you think the 173 Governments, the Royal Society and 97 – 98% of Climate Scientists trumpet the global warming mantra? TAXES & FUNDING!

Seriously Luc, if this was about security threats, defence organisations and the military you’d be skeptic! But when it comes to Global Warming, you bend right over and take it like a moron.
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February 9, 2011 1:20pm
philu

gee ciaron..do you get as angry about rich investors getting paid out when their gamble fails…?..plus interest..?..$1.7 billion..wasn’t it..?

do you get as angry about the rich getting an extra grand a week in tax cuts..?

do you get as angry about the fact that one in five new zealand children live in poverty..?

do you get as angry about the return/rise of third world diseases…we all thought long gone..

..amongst those children…?

do you get angry about how the dairy farmers are fucking/polluting our environment..?

…with no end in sight…?

..do you get angry at the idea of our common-wealth being sold-off to overseas investors…?.(heavily disguised as ‘mums & dads’..)..?

…with guaranteed price rises..and profits flowing off-shore as the inevitable outcomes..?

..do any of these anger you at all..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:23pm
ciaron

Not really, I’m a bit of a selfish bastard.
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February 9, 2011 1:27pm
philu

how unusual…for here…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:30pm
Put it away

Phool – “got any evidence/links there..put it away..?”

Geez phool, is your memory slipping away already? That show was only on air two hours ago and your THC soaked neurons have already lost the information… stay off the bud, dude. Here’s the source for the TV story:

http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/story/2011/02/09/smoking-pot-speeds-up-psychotic-illness/

“What our research has found is that cannabis smoking brings schizophrenia on early by an average of 2.7 years,” he said. For young people who smoke cannabis regularly, instead of having about a 1% chance of developing schizophrenia during their lifetime, they would end up with something like a 5% chance of developing schizophrenia, said Dr Large.

“His research, that pulled together data on 20,000 patients and drew on more than 80 international studies, is published in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry.”

..brain change denialist..?

..eh..? ..whoar..!!!!
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February 9, 2011 1:36pm
ciaron

Well to expand a bit more, none of those things really anger me but:

point1: didn’t your good mate & buddy Micky Cullen guarantee those?

point 2: No, because I dont suffer from envy like you do.

point 3: show me a child living in real poverty here in NZ, like the ones you see drinking raw waste in Africa.

point 4: Isn’t it free to take kids to the doctor?

point 5: No. Not seen much of that.

point 6: that’s you projecting your fears. If they had floated the idea of a total sell off, you might have a point.
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February 9, 2011 1:43pm
philu

yes put it away…that whole piece from tvone was a classic twisting of evidence/results….

because the conclusion to the preamble you selectively quoted from…says..

“…Still, none of the data linking marijuana use and psychosis can prove causality ..”..

(now..did you get that..?.so how did tvone conveniently leave that out of their report….?..shameful excuse for journalism..

“…or sufficiently explain why rates of schizophrenia have remained stable or even declined since the 1950s, while marijuana use has increased exponentially. …”

now..did you get/understand that..?….pot use explodes…schitzophrenia cases decline….once again..how did tvone leave that out..?

“…Unlike rates of cigarette smoking and lung cancer, which rise in tandem, marijuana smoking rates in the population do not correlate with higher rates of schizophrenia….”

do you understand all that…

of course..if you have schitzophrenia..don’t smoke weed…tho’ the study reports no problems for lot with schitzophrenia wwho do smoke..so..?

have the link..!..eh…?

http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/#ixzz1DPzaua1I

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(anyway..parliament calls…commentary-time…)
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February 9, 2011 1:55pm
big bruv

Applied for that bin cleaners job yet Phool?
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