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February 8, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 8 February 2011

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Bevan

..key..in his speech…blamed labour six times…promised asset sales..a pogrom on the poor..cutting public service…

Well, the reason for that is in the first term a government is always dealing with the consequences of the previous governments last term – that is why Labour is to blame for the vast majority of the ills affecting NZ. Also I distinctly remember Helen Clark doing the same thing (blaming the previous National government) well into her third term!

..save asset-stripping/wealth-transfer of our common-wealth ..to the corporates/elites…

That is partial SOE sell downs, while retaining a majority stake in the SOE – vastly different to “asset-striping” as you allude, but hey nice dog whistle – I’ll remember to remind you of it next time you accuse someone else of using the same tactic….

..then tell me how it won’t be one-term-john…

He wont, with the current opposition, it looks like he will be there for a long time.

And hey, like was said yesterday – when was the last time a prediction of yours was accurate?
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Oh look! A tumbleweed!
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February 8, 2011 6:48pm
starboard

i do about thirty stories a day at whoar…

..you mean you cut and paste 30 a day phool..
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February 8, 2011 6:48pm
Bevan

..i comment/joust here..

More like make yourself look like a complete twat whenever you try to engage in a debate.
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February 8, 2011 6:52pm
paws

Wow when hone key slashes and burns the public service ,there are going to be a few EX public servants posting tacts on this blog
Mr Farrar you better clean out the demerite bin as the four letter words will flow when the life style ends.
Also expect things to stop as every time the tories use this tried and waste of time policy every thing stops.Mybe keys going to get his big money mates from overseas to run the show, nothing like a bit of rape and pillage of a country, keys mates learned their craft in africa
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February 8, 2011 6:56pm
philu

this is of more concern…jaba..

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/which-dangerous-toxins-are-in-your-marijuana/

“…Grown under the radar of legal authorities – even “medical” cannabis can be covered in toxic mold –

– or coated in commercial-grade synthetic fertilizers and insecticides.

In 2004, California organic farm inspector Chris Van Hook submitted an unusual request to the US Department of Agriculture:…

… He wanted permission to certify a medical marijuana farm as organic.

He’d already inspected three pot farms – he says, before word came back that weed couldn’t be organic – because it wasn’t a federally recognized crop.

So Van Hook founded Clean Green, a certification program for medical marijuana farmers that’s nearly identical to the USDA’s organics program—

– except that it can’t legally use the term “organic.”

Since launching in 2004, Clean Green has certified 80 medical marijuana growers –

– who last year produced 8,000 pounds of cannabis valued at as much as $33 million.

It’s the only inspection service aimed at pot smokers who want their ganja to be farmed as safely and ethically as their organic salad greens…” (cont..)

(reason number 53 why pot shd be legalised/regulated/able to be tested for quality/pollutants..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 8, 2011 6:56pm
bereal

Further to my effort @ 2.28 Re Scott Guy murder.
How much does our embrace of political correctness eff things up in New Zealand ?
Was it P.C. that prevented police questioning the family in the Kahui twins murders untill
after the Maori grieving rituals had been observed thus enabling the ‘ tight X’ to get their story right ?
In the ‘ little pumpkin’ case, the same detective thought he was unable to look in the car boot parked
outside the house, where her body was found untill, “due process” had been followed. Wasting 3 days.
And drawing derision from the US Marshals who pointed out that suspect could have been caught much
earlier had they been given the info in a timely manner.
i suspect PC has prevented a proper, rigourous, interview, with anyone who common sense might have
concluded could be the “slappr” referred to in the graffiti daubed on the Guy farm house.
And on another note.
PC seems to prevent any discussion of our immigration policy regarding what many would consider
common sense in relation to muslim immigration.
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February 8, 2011 6:57pm
Bevan

Abut to lose your cushy public sector job paws?

Brush off the CV mate, if your any good you’ll get snapped up. If not, I’m sure there is a bus somewhere in need of a driver.
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February 8, 2011 6:59pm
philu

did someone fart..?..at 6.52..?

whew..!..quite the stench..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 8, 2011 7:02pm
Bevan

did someone fart..?..at 6.52..?

Poor phool, still hurting from yesterday?
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February 8, 2011 7:05pm
paws

I would luv a cushy public sevice job at the moment, PS easy on the bus drivers , they work and are humans to.Why do people who post think they are so better????,
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February 8, 2011 7:11pm
bereal

paws
Just for another good joke.
In your mind, who are the “tories” you refer to @ 6.56 ?

Who wrote your post at 6.45 in your name, it wasn’t you, it almost seemed someone with a brain cell to
rub together composed that. So of course, it cant have been you. Who was it ?
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February 8, 2011 7:13pm
dad4justice

“Do homos need this sort of handholding? Weak excuse for demerits,….soft cock….HA!!”

[DPF: 10 demerits for faggot. 10 points away from a 8th month suspension]

Haha you will not get the pleasure Farrar. No doubt MyNameIsMrGraemeTaylor bombarded you with complaints itching for demerits against me. What a strange place this blog has become. Poor homosexuals. What a cowardly act. What words are in the demerit dictionary?
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February 8, 2011 7:14pm
Bevan

Why do people who post think they are so better????

Cause we are.
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February 8, 2011 7:17pm
dad4justice

Can I say maggot?
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February 8, 2011 7:18pm
big bruv

Non essential public servants loosing their jobs is something we should all applaud, it is time these buggers leaned what it is like in the real world.
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February 8, 2011 7:25pm
paws

Bevan (3,104) Says:

February 8th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Why do people who post think they are so better????

Cause we are.
God everone must crap on you at work,you poor sod
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February 8, 2011 7:31pm
wat dabney

Mr Hatfield, yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/v7bZA.jpg
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February 8, 2011 7:33pm
paws

To all the public servant who are going to lose their jobs , homes lifestyle etc , who would like to respond to the fool below,form a orderly queue
big bruv (8,186) Says:

February 8th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Non essential public servants loosing their jobs is something we should all applaud, it is time these buggers leaned what it is like in the real world.
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February 8, 2011 7:37pm
Kris K

dad4justice 7:18 pm,

Can I say maggot?

If Mr Farrar does lose the plot and gives you another 10 demerits for “inappropriate” language, Dad, you know you’re always more than welcome over at Crusader Rabbit and TrueBlueNZ. And you certainly won’t get demerits or censure for using terms such as “faggot”. Perhaps Mr Farrar knows something about ‘esteemed leader’ but is keeping mum on the subject – and hence his hyper-sensitivity? Social Liberals – you gotta love ’em.
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February 8, 2011 8:24pm
Bevan

God everone must crap on you at work,you poor sod

Ahhhhh no. How does it feel to fail? Oh wait, with your attitude your probably used to it.
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February 8, 2011 8:28pm
Hurf Durf

XMFD, Philip Ure fetishes the UKUnkempt quartwits, a handful of students and boomer cretins who close Vodafone for a few minutes, move on then pretend they’re important when mummy picks them up in their 4x4s. All at the behest and support of anti-Western Communist papers like the Guardian, WHICH ALSO DODGES TAX. Funny how they don’t get targeted, isn’t it?

A flash in the pan, just like every other leftard “revolution.” Truth hurts, eh Phil?
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February 8, 2011 8:29pm
bhudson

Kris K,

He certainly could go over there. He would find the audience to be much smaller of course. And very homogenous in their opinions. Some people require the reassurance that sort of comfort blanket provides however.
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February 8, 2011 8:29pm
big bruv

Oh look..Kris K is back.

How about answering the question I asked you at 4.43pm

“Tell me, if society is not interested in getting back to “God-given principles” would you just force those “God-given principles” upon them?”
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February 8, 2011 8:34pm
Nookin

D4J isn’t going anywhere. He is salivating at the screen waiting for another c’mon from BB.
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February 8, 2011 8:38pm
big bruv

Is there a more arrogant prick in the house than Kennedy Graham?
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February 8, 2011 8:38pm
bhudson

Mallard? Lees-Galloway? Cunliffe? Harawira? Carter? Delahunty? Norman? Locke?

Little? (arrogant-MP-in-waiting)
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February 8, 2011 8:43pm
dime

the real problem with the kiwi feminist culture is it has made our women UNSEXY (and fat)
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February 8, 2011 8:44pm
big bruv

bhudson

All worthy nominations but for pure arrogance Kennedy Graham takes the cake.

Thank fuck he will be out of work come November 2011.
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February 8, 2011 8:46pm
big bruv

Dime @ 8.44pm

Damn right, fat, flat chested and decidedly unfeminine.

And…far too many of them insist on having an opinion, even worse than that, the silly cows want to be heard!
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February 8, 2011 8:48pm
dime

struth, DPF is dishing out the demerits tonight. Lucky he has nothing but love for Dime!
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February 8, 2011 8:49pm
dime

lol i like smart girls bruv (in stark contrast to my love of hookers). i just dont like girls that know how to do an oil change. dress “comofrtable”, swear like a trooper, feel the need to get fat and basically be blokey.

oh, i really hate tatts too
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February 8, 2011 8:51pm
bhudson

No, I think Kennedy misses out because because he sees himself as so much smarter than anyone else that he doesn’t realise that he comes across as a complete pompous ass who couldn’t persuade a sevens fan to dress up and drink a beer.

Oh no – I guess that’s how he manages to win all but unopposed (which is quite some feat in that place)
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February 8, 2011 8:53pm
Redbaiter

Just don’t say anything nasty about the davincimode and you should be OK. (or any other National Party sycophant). The guy can leave off topic comments everywhere and Farrar has never even reprimanded him once, let alone given him demerits. Your Panda Sports buddy/ brother Big Bruv is another writer of prolific complaint emails to Farrar, even though he is responsible for more flame wars on this site than anyone.
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February 8, 2011 8:53pm
big bruv

They can be smart Dime, nothing wrong with that, after all, I don’t want to have to show them how to work the dishwasher every bloody day of the week.

Dead right about the oil change thing, nor do I want them to be able to build a fence or clear fell the back 1/4 acre.

Tatts are bad enough on blokes, on chicks they are nothing but tramp stamps.
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February 8, 2011 8:54pm
dime

bruv got demerits yesterday for asking phil about job interviews in some random thread.
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February 8, 2011 8:56pm
philu

“…And hey, like was said yesterday – when was the last time a prediction of yours was accurate?..”

try this one from 2008..on the national party/maori party ‘deal’..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-many-perils-facing-the-maori-partywhoarholy-electoral-oblivion-in-2011batman/

this whole coalition agreement is pretty much a coalition/deal of ‘reviews’..

..everyone is reviewing everyone/everything..every which way but up..

..and ..if i heard things correctly..we are being promised a ‘review of the reviews’..

..(the ‘mother of all reviews’..?..)

..(”whoar..!..holy over-reviewing..!..batman..!..”)

..(and as an aside..you have to give key a tip of the hat..for getting such a good deal for national..eh..?..

..he appears to have given s.f.a…to either act or the maori party..and has secured support from his left..and his right..)

..and going from what both sharples and hide are both now saying..the ‘deal’ wasn’t so much about hard political negotiations/horse-trading..

..it was much more a touchy-feely ‘relationship’ experience that they all had with john key..

(”whoar..!..holy motivational speaker..!..batman..!..)

..(hide:..”my most amazing week in politics..and that’s all because of john key’..(!)..

..(whoar..!..holy rightwing-’infatuation’..!..batman..!..)

..and for those looking for political idealism/consistancy from either of nationals’ minor-players..you’ll be looking long and hard..

..in a telling moment in a national radio interview this morning..hide was asked ‘what was his main priority in these negotiations with key/this deal’..

his reply..?..(in a brief/surprising lapse into honesty..?..)..”to get my feet under the table!’..

(whoar..!..holy wholesale shelving of political ideals/promises to voters..!..batman..!..)

..and of course..the irony there is that hide did not succeed in those aims..

..last week he was asked how he would feel if key made him a minister outside cabinet..

..hide said that he ‘would be very disappointed’..if this were the case..

..well..as it turns out..neither hide nor the maori party have their ‘feet under the table’..

..they are all outside of the cabinet-room..

..they have been given card-tables to play solitaire on…out on the verandah..

..and a slightly disturbing aspect of the deal done with the maori party..

..is that tho’ hide is to set up razor-gangs to hack into public sector waste..

..we are told that sharples’ portfolio..the maori affairs ministry..

..will be exempt from any such ‘reviews’..

(’whoar..!..holy double standards..!..batman..!..)

..which brings us to the dead rats to be swallowed..

..and there are more than a few of them..

..and as just one example..for act..

..(yet one example that explains all…really..in that all their fervidly-held beliefs..have been ‘put up for review’..)

..it’s the same for the maori party..they have been promised/given little..(save ‘reviews’/baubles..)

..i mean..pre-election rhetoric/pandering to one side..

..no political party is going to unilaterally ban/do away with the maori seats..

(..get real here..!..)

and just one dead-rat glaring example for the maori party is..

..there is the un-edifying prospect of being in/supporting a government that has promised an intifada on benificiaries of all stripes..(!)

..the weakest of the weakest..(and many of whom are maori..)..are set for a good kicking/going over..

..so sharples/turia are to sit by..mute..while so many of their people are put through this wringer..?

..(and they expect no ‘blowback’/loss of their support..?..

(”whoar..!..holy political naievete..!..batman..!..)

..and despite having a rate and severity of imprisonment second only to america..key/hide are talking about ‘three strikes and you’re out!’ legislation..more prisons/longer sentences..

..and threatening/promising to ‘outlaw gangs’..

..yet sharples..knows this is all ‘wrong..yet going by his interview this morning..is willing to swallow these dead-rats..

..because..as he says..he will ‘be focusing on rehabilitation’..

(”..whoar..!..holy fatal-compromise..!..batman..!..”)

..my caveat to the maori party before they entered these/any negotiations with national..

..was that if they were not able to show clear gains/wins for maori/their people..

..that they would be toast..

..in 2011..

..nothing i have seen so far in this agreement shows any real wins/gains for maori..(save for cosmetic ‘words’..)

..this is not a ‘good deal’ for maori..(tho’ it is a good deal..on a bauble-level..for the principals..which also surprises/shocks..(?)

..and if..after three years of a national govt that disappoints..(with a toxic/feral act to its’ right..that’s not ‘if’..that’s when’..)

..the maori party are seen as all that has propped up this government..that has ‘disappointed’..

..they will face electoral oblivion..

..and a rejuvenated/resurgent labour will take back all the maori seats..

..what the maori party seem to have forgotten..is that 85% of those who voted for them gave their party vote to labour..

..and in what should be an even heavier portent for/of voter-backlash..

..is that a marae-digi-poll showed a 65% disapproval rate from maori party voters..

..that ‘disapproval’-rating being those maori party voters..

..who did not want the maori party to do a deal with national/key..

.’.under any circumstances..’

..sharples/turia certainly have a bit of ground to make up there..

..eh..?

..and a lot of ground to lose..

..eh..?

(that was pretty close…eh…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 8, 2011 8:57pm
Redbaiter

Yeah, he’s always asking lame questions.

Ure’s another one who gets away with a tonne of abuse.
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February 8, 2011 8:58pm
bereal

since about 7,oo pm onwards,
why dont all you tossers have a great big circle fuck. All fuck each other, and then go to sleep?
think how much energy u would save.
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February 8, 2011 9:02pm
dime

you realise you posted after 7pm right? lol
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February 8, 2011 9:06pm
Nookin

Sleep? Phil’s last post did the trick for me. Soporific with a capital Z
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February 8, 2011 9:08pm
Rodders

philu said “..and threatening/promising to ‘outlaw gangs’..”

I wish they would. A real vote winner!
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February 8, 2011 9:08pm
bereal

same old same old.
round and round. over and over.
Till you disapear up your own arses.
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February 8, 2011 9:09pm
big bruv

Goodness me Bereal!

That is not very lady like of you.
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February 8, 2011 9:12pm
nickb

Ure’s another one who gets away with a tonne of abuse.

And a fuckload of verbal diarrhea in general.
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February 8, 2011 9:13pm
joana

Paws…When I was living in Asia a few years back , fake degrees were a bigger business than any drugs…I think a lot of Asians are living here on the strength of these false qualifications..I was offered one of these degrees and told how I could make it a masters. This man was openly peddling his trade , even advertising in the local paper and of course calling himself a doctor. His wife and children were in CHCh and he is probably here now.
He had some dodgy connection to the NZ institute of Management…I think the fake degree holders were bumping up there great quals with NZ quals.
I wrote to the Min of Immigration about him when I got back here but did not get a reply. Before the Asian down turn , he was an insurance salesman. Wherever he is , he will be scamming someone.
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February 8, 2011 9:17pm
Nookin

Head up arse? Which one of us is this then?
http://www.spike.com/video/head-up-ass/2699970
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February 8, 2011 9:22pm
bhudson

What’s your solution joana? Send them all home?
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February 8, 2011 9:25pm
dime

joana – did you used to own a fish n chip shop in qld?
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February 8, 2011 9:29pm
bereal

As a Master of Arts in Structural Anthropology from London which cost me 10 pounds in 1979
Stood me in good stead throughout my whole career.
Whats new
i also got a student card that entitled me to discounted travel fares for 4 years.
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February 8, 2011 9:30pm
Nookin

If you still have that travel card you might be able to flog it off to Len Brown and make on the deal.
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February 8, 2011 9:39pm
bereal

Yeah ive still got it. Hair was a lot longer then. In the photo ID
Still, it stood up to any and all scrutiny all those years. LOL
It was a bargain.
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February 8, 2011 9:43pm
big bruv

“joana – did you used to own a fish n chip shop in qld?”

Ha ha ha
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February 8, 2011 9:46pm
nickb

joana – did you used to own a fish n chip shop in qld?

Lol. Who let the zoo animals out today? GD is even worse than usual.
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February 8, 2011 9:53pm
Bevan

Ure’s another one who gets away with a tonne of abuse.

Yeah well, do you bother reading all of it? Gives me a fucken migraine – someone should call OSH and have him banned on health and safety grounds.
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February 8, 2011 9:54pm
Nookin

I can’t stand the excitement. Off to bed with a good book.
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February 8, 2011 9:57pm
bereal

By the way, just for the record. I bought that MA through an advert i saw in Time Out Magazine.
It came with a really cool certificate. Least it looked really cool. Sure sucked in plenty.
Anyway, did the job for me for 30 years. Talk about a bargain.
Before i bought that i was training to be a hospital orderly. LOL
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February 8, 2011 9:58pm
dime

bereal – next youll be telling us you invented the question mark…
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February 8, 2011 9:59pm
bereal

Forgot to mention my MA cerificate was coloured nipple pink.
That must be why it sucked in so many suckers. LOL
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February 8, 2011 10:04pm
thedavincimode

bhudson

“What’s your solution joana? Send them all home?”

Well, yes actually; I think that’s the idea. I thought she was taking the piss the other day. Silly me.

soapbaiter:

“Just don’t say anything nasty about the davincimode and you should be OK”

Well, I certainly appreciate the support old boy, but where did that come from?? Seems a bit obsessive, but still, its great to know that you’re thinking about me. But, are you safe?
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February 8, 2011 10:08pm
Lucia Maria

Phil,

That last comment of yours was actually interesting. Though, I think adding the multiple “eh”s on the end was a bit too much.
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February 8, 2011 10:15pm
bereal

then again we have truely funny posters with a real good sense of humour,
sort of like bhudson, a real laugh a minute comedian.
Ho Ho Ho bhudson.
never serious, always ready for a laugh. Right bhudson ?
Ho Ho Ho.
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February 8, 2011 10:17pm
Mr Robert Black

John Key doing the catwalk is controversial?

Oh dear, lil ol NZ huh?

Overly PC, labotomized sheep all running around in little stressful circles and judgmental to the max.

For fuck’s sake he was doing it for a good cause too.
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February 8, 2011 10:20pm
big bruv

Be fair Robert, we did not have a human PM for nine years, it is going to take a little longer for some of our countrymen to accept that the PM can be normal and a throughly decent person as well.
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February 8, 2011 10:26pm
Mr Robert Black

Sensational knock-out by Anderson Silva.

I take it all back.
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February 8, 2011 11:37pm
Mr Robert Black

@Big bruv

I take the point.

The day a couple of brilliant Breakfast reporters were dumped for a couple of talentless personality-less robotic sheep was a sad day for NZ brains too.

Koren, Corin?

“OK John Key me a talentless personality-less robotic sheep. You a Prime Minister. Do you think that action was appropriate for a Prime Minister. It’s not the sort of thing Petra and I would do?”

Let’s all be sheep.

Baaaaaahhhh!
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February 9, 2011 12:27am
philu

“..# philu (9,855) Says:
February 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am

fact-check:..benificiaries don’t get working for famiies…

phil(whoar.co.nz)

[DPF: Yes they do – heaps of it. They simply do not get the in work tax credit, but that is just a small portion of WFF]

um..!..excuse me…!..fact-check here…!

the introduction of working for families did not result in sole-parents income increasing a jot…

and that is one of the main criticisms of w.f.f…..that it excluded those families often doing it the hardest…

i wd love to see yr evidence for yr above claim there..mr farrar..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 12:14pm
RightNow

phlu, you could do your own research but I realise how challenging simple tasks are for you. So here, go to this link
https://interact1.ird.govt.nz/forms/famcalc2011/

Enter some figures, the ones I used are: two children aged 0-12, income tested benefit as only income source. I put $25k for each parent, total $50k of benefits per year.
Result= family tax credit $98 per week.

Now I’ve done your work for you, I think paws wants some tofu roll.

(PS – are you deliberately posting on yesterday’s thread, or are you already stoned out of your gourd?)
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February 9, 2011 12:22pm
philu

wtf does what you’ve done have any relevance to anything..?

..are you contradicting farrar…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 9, 2011 1:37pm
RightNow

So that’s a yes to being stoned out of your gourd already.
What I’ve done is proved that beneficiaries get WFF tax credits, so that’s a no to contradicting DPF.
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