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February 27, 2011 8:48am by David Farrar

General Debate 27 February 2011

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starboard

LC (158) Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
“Police Minister Judith Collins advocates state sponsered rape as a threat to looters. She must go”

..how did this leftard get on here…begone leftard filth…
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February 27, 2011 7:42pm
Viking2

Does that only apply to those who have house insurance? How many don’t have to pay it?

Well tenants for a start and some dipshit wanted it to be in the rates to catch the uninsured houses. If people are uninsured then tough.
Again personal responsibility

There are companies that insure their properties offshore to avoid EQC and they deserve what they get just like the uninsured.

Many cars destroyed, are they covered by EQC if they are not insured. I doubt it and I don’t care that’s their owners responsibility. Same deal with tenants and others personal property, personal choices.

Councils and other organizations that supply infrastructure should have no choice. Should be mandated in Law because we all pay for those things that are community property. well most of us do. Tenants don’t once again.

EQC said this morning that their funding is Ok and they could handle another two quakes the same size.

Unfortunately I can’t find the article form EQC from this morning but someone might be able to.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/4709213/NZs-biggest-insurance-claim-ever
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February 27, 2011 7:44pm
starboard

Collins should resign.

Come off it Rex. We are only human. We all say things in the heat of the moment especially given the current circumstances..and she only said what 99.95% of us are hoping for…that these bottom feeders are dealt to.
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February 27, 2011 7:46pm
dime

bahahaha gotta love Judith Collins.

Rape should be mandatory in all prisons 😛
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February 27, 2011 7:48pm
Johnboy

“After watching both TV1 and TV3 news tonight.”

No wonder you’re dumb Beryl! 🙂
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February 27, 2011 7:48pm
bereal

Rex @6.44
Hardenup mate, get real. Miss Collins disturbed your delicate PC sensibilities ?
i note that the Aussie police have caught more looters and shitheads in Christchurch than
the NZ Police have, my rellies in Chch who have observed the Aussie cops are
impressed that they are no bullshit straight shooters who demand respect.
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February 27, 2011 7:50pm
bereal

OK Johnboy,
Your not a bad joker,
what about a truce ?
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February 27, 2011 7:52pm
big bruv

I want to hear Key say this….(or something similar)

http://clintheine.blogspot.com/

“Our nation is in mourning, over two hundred of our family have been lost to us, over two hundred family members went to work or school last Tuesday full of the hope that comes with summer and the new year, over two hundred of them did not return.

We are hurting, our family is in pain, our nation needs help, help to drag itself up by the bootstraps, help to get going again, help to rediscover that Kiwi spirit of never giving up despite the overwhelming odds stacked against us, as always, that help must come from within.

It is because we are Kiwi and because we are used to those odds that I know we can overcome everything that nature has thrown at us, we will emerge stronger, wiser and greater than before, we will rebuild Christchurch and we will do so in a style that will honour the members of our family who will not be coming home to us.

Make no mistake, it will not be easy, it will mean we all have to make sacrifices, the reality is that we are in a fight, a fight to save our country and our way of life, over the last few days we have all heard or witnessed great acts of courage and bravery, men and women going back into crumbling buildings as they collapsed around them to save total strangers, still others paying the ultimate sacrifice in an attempt to rescue colleagues, those people demonstrate just a bit of what it is to be Kiwi, it is because of those people and because of their bravery that we simply cannot afford to let any more members of our family down.

So today ladies and gentlemen we begin the fightback, today we start on the long road back, today I ask every Kiwi to offer up the same level of courage and self sacrifice shown by so many of our family members in Christchurch over the last five days.

Simply put people we need to make some changes, our family needs help and we must not refuse them that help.

Some of what I am asking of you will not be easy, some of it may anger you, some of it will delay your hopes and plans for a short while, however, all of it is vital if we are to come out of this, I make a heartfelt plea to those directly affected, a plea to put aside your own self interests for the good of the nation as a whole, we will come back to you at a later date but at this point in time our nations resources are needed elsewhere.

In consultation with the cabinet I am announcing the following fiscal and tax changes, as of tomorrow there will be a temporary tax increase for all wage and salary earners, the recently announced 3.7% increase in all benefits is to be reversed, all of NZ’s contributions to the UN will cease for the foreseeable future, the interest free student loan scheme will cease at midnight, all treaty claims will be placed on hold, all overseas and foreign aide will cease immediately, the Working for families package will be modified so that only the most needy receive it, all WFF tax credits will be cut by 50%.

The ETS fuel tax will be redirected to the Christchurch relief fund, this will continue for some years to come.
We will be utilising our nations resources fully, if this means gold mining in the Coromandel or open cast coal mining on the West coast then so be it.

There will be other changes over the next few days and I will announce them in due course, none of these changes have been made without a lot of thought and discussion, however none of these changes can be ignored, and, when faced with the huge task in front of us none of them have been hard to make.

The last announcement I want to make is this, I know I am asking a lot of you, I know that it will hurt each and every one of you and I know that some of you will not find it easy, however, never forget that we are all Kiwis and we are all there for each other, the choice you have to make is this, would you rather sit and watch members of your family suffer or would you want to chip in and help?. ……well in a few months time you can answer that question, we have an election at the end of the year and if you are not happy with the way I am leading things then so be it, but until then I am not prepared to see members of our family suffer through no fault of their own.

For the remainder of the year the Government I lead will be doing what is needed, doing what is right, no decision made by this government will have a political angle, if this costs the government the election then so be it, however I am not prepared to sit by and watch members of my family live in squalor or go without the necessities of life.

Together we can do this, I have amazing faith in my fellow Kiwis and I know that when faced with an obstacle as big as this then most of us will look up at it and say to ourselves “how can we knock that bastard off”
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February 27, 2011 7:55pm
Viking2

Whatch it johnboy his is in submissive mode of the socialist. Go for the jugular like every good Viking does.
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February 27, 2011 7:56pm
Shunda barunda

(o)(o)
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February 27, 2011 7:58pm
BR

After the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco, there were signs posted all over town that read: “Looters shot on sight”.

Quite the appropriate response to such despicable behaviour at a time of great tragedy.

Bill.
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February 27, 2011 8:03pm
Rex Widerstrom

bereal asks:

Rex @6.44
Hardenup mate, get real. Miss Collins disturbed your delicate PC sensibilities ?

No. Miss Collins just strikes me as a typical small minded fishwife who opens her mouth and lets her prejudices and ignorance pour forth. Nothing wrong with that per se… they’re what keeps talkback radio going day after day, after all.

I just don’t want someone with an IQ south of 100, and the self control of a Christchurch skinhead, in Cabinet.

Whaleoil said they ought to be gut shot. I didn’t disagree. As I said, I can understand the sentiments of the Christchurch homeowners who say they’ll shoot looters in the back.

But while I accept starboard’s point that Collins may have simply blurted it out, she’s not just a blogger. Nor is she someone whose possessions have been taken by lowlives after they’ve been hit by tragedy, and thus understandably overcome by anger. She’s a highly paid Cabinet Minister expected, as part of what we pay her for, to set an example.

John Key has – in terms of the way he’s spoken about the tragedy, though we’ll see how he handles funding the rebuilding – struck just the right note of gravitas, understanding, moderation, sincerity and sense. By the standard set by her own leader, Collins has abjectly failed.

If you truly think what she said is okay, you’d presumably have been alright with Clark making a similar comment as she threw herself at quake victims to get in front of a TV camera, then?
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February 27, 2011 8:12pm
mattyroo

Send it to one of his speechwriters Bruv.
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February 27, 2011 8:15pm
starboard

again Rex , you forget…Collins is only human. She gets 10/10 from me.
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February 27, 2011 8:23pm
big bruv

Mattyroo

I bloody hope he has better speech writers than me.
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February 27, 2011 8:23pm
Southern Raider

Come on Rex she was just reinforcing her double bunking policy which is aimed at saving taxpayers money.

I can’t understand what alternative angle you are trying to promote.
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February 27, 2011 8:24pm
pentwig

Banned for a week Big Bruv.

That will teach you for trying to educate the riff raff.

Totally unjustified of course but you did interrupt their wank fest.

They also banned your “mate” K for life.

That really is a sad, sad site. If that represents what our education dollars for the past 20 years has produced I truly fear for the future of our country.
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February 27, 2011 8:31pm
Viking2

Why do you go there?
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February 27, 2011 8:39pm
big bruv

pentwig

Call it balance :), after reading nothing but gratuitous insults toward Key, Parker and Brownlee over at the EMPU and Labour party funded blog all week I just could not resist the chance to toss a few back in their face when Klark turned up.

Unbelievably some of them even had the hard neck to try and defend her rubber necking visit, I wonder how many people are yet to be helped because so many resources that should have been used getting to people were use on Klark, lets face it, she has seen this disaster as a way of helping out Goff and Labour, she is not here for any other reason.
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February 27, 2011 8:39pm
Southern Raider

BB

Any chance Helen will pass Goff in the preferred PM stakes in the next political polls? I reckon there will be a huge number of dumb arse voters who will think she is back in NZ for good after seeing her on the telly.
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February 27, 2011 8:45pm
big bruv

Goff will fall off the radar I suspect, given the way Key (and Parker) have handled things so far I expect to see Key reach new heights of popularity.

As I said the other day, I do not agree with a lot of his policies but right at this moment I am proud to call him our Prime Minister.
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February 27, 2011 8:53pm
RightNow

I have nothing really to say except in the endorsement of home brewing. It provides me a great hobby with a tangible output. Currently my costs are about 80c/litre and I;m getting better and better brews.
I run a 5 litre glass carboy as the primary fermenter which turns over a batch every 3-4 days. These are pretty cheap to buy about $18, although need an airlock too. Maybe another $6.
http://www.haurakihomebrew.co.nz/product_info.php?cPath=118&products_id=761

The batch is a net 4.5 litres, or 6x750ml bottles. You can either use glass (hopefully friends have crates of empty bottles – that’s the ideal scenario) or buy plastic screw tops. I’ve also successfully used screw-top stubbies, specifically Tui 330ml tall neck bottles, you just have to be sure they’re thoroughly sterilized and that the top is absolutely screwed on airtight.
Also useful are 1.5l ginger ale or L&P brown bottles, similarly must be sterilised and screwed on airtight.

You can get Cooper’s brew kits at New World quite cheap. I got a Real Ale version for $13.89 , and 1kg of dextrose (brewer’s sugar) for another $3.49. That’s all you need to brew 23l, and you can divvy it up to brew it in 5 x 4.5l batches in the 5l carboy. It yields you the equivalent of 4 stubbies/day at a cost of about 30c each. You use the whole 7gm yeast sachet for the 5l carboy which makes it ferment faster, and then re-use the yeast for the next batch of beer as well. After 5 batches you throw the yeast away, sterilize the carboy and buy a new kit with a new yeast sachet.
Basically when you bottle the beer, you put 1 rounded teaspoon of table sugar in the bottle (this bottling sugar creates carbonisation in the bottle) and decant the beer from the carboy using a funnel. You want to avoid oxidization of the beer if possible, and you could use a siphon tube in this step to help minimize oxidation, but frankly I can’t be arsed. Just be steady with your pour, and be sure all equipment is sterilised first.

I’ve also played around with all grain extracts, which add complexities to the beer but frankly are a lot of effort. I sometimes do a partial brew though, which is a mix of steeped grains and malt extract, which retains the complexities but ends up with less mess to clear up (and less of the wife saying I’ve made the house smell like stables).

Once you’ve figured out a few things you can get some really nice flavours really easily and consistently. I’ve been recently using golden syrup as a substitute for dextrose and sugar, and the batches with that should be ready in about 10 days
(after fermentation you want to leave the beer in bottles for 3 weeks to condition, also the bottling sugar will allow carbonation in this time)
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February 27, 2011 8:57pm
Johnboy

OK Beryl. Truce it is then.

Only if you give me a nice sloppy kiss though ducky. 🙂
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February 27, 2011 9:04pm
Rex Widerstrom

big bruv says:

Call it balance

Just in: exclusive picture of Big Bruv “balancing” The Standard 😀
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February 27, 2011 9:07pm
Johnboy

Rex: 🙂 🙂
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February 27, 2011 9:13pm
big bruv

bereal

Are you two timing me already?

And just after you told me you had never had anybody so good!…:(
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February 27, 2011 9:13pm
Johnboy

Beryl went right off you when she saw that photo of you Rex just posted BB.

I kiss better too. 🙂
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February 27, 2011 9:19pm
big bruv

Is anybody else a bit uneasy that Key has gone begging to other nations?

Sure, if they offer help then that is great, all will be accepted, but this remains our problem, one that WE need to work out ourselves.

Could it be that Key is still afraid of making the hard choices?
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February 27, 2011 9:31pm
Manolo

Is anybody else a bit uneasy that Key has gone begging to other nations?

Yes.

Could it be that Key is still afraid of making the hard choices?

We shall soon know if he has what it takes to lead the country in a time like this.
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February 27, 2011 9:37pm
Shunda barunda

I have nothing really to say except in the endorsement of home brewing. It provides me a great hobby with a tangible output.

Couldn’t agree more.
While I haven’t tried brewing yet I have been reaping the rewards, my brother has managed to produce some fine beer and last year some very high quality wine.
Will be helping him pick the grapes in the next few weeks for this batch, and in the mean time will continue to sample his now very good beer!.
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February 27, 2011 9:40pm
big bruv

Manolo

There is no doubt that Key has what it takes to lead our country through this catastrophe, the way he has handled himself these past few days has been fantastic, both Key and Parker deserve knighthoods for what the way they have led.

The issue as I see it is does he have the balls to do what is needed in the coming weeks and months.
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February 27, 2011 9:41pm
Johnboy

“Is anybody else a bit uneasy that Key has gone begging to other nations?”

Check out the Global Appeal thread BB.

Maybe I should dump Beryl and you and I could get together. 🙂
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February 27, 2011 9:42pm
Rex Widerstrom

Johnboy:

The picture is a representation of BB’s relative intellectual heft 😀 I’ve no idea what he looks like. But, as the Baron says to Bart and Grandpa at the end of the “Fighting Hellfish” episode:

Hey, funboys! Get a room!

😛
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February 27, 2011 9:42pm
Johnboy

God Rex. Now you tell me.

I thought the plank represented the size of his wood. 🙂
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February 27, 2011 9:46pm
big bruv

bereal called it a wand Johnboy 🙂

That was before she dumped me for you…
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February 27, 2011 9:49pm
Johnboy

Two timing bitch. Beryl will never get another sloppy kiss from me.
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February 27, 2011 10:01pm
pentwig

@Viking2

Go there occasionally just for a bit of flagellation.

Have been checking up on that Todd fellow who eats brains and posts there.

He has started a blog called The Jackal.

Unfortunately his brain diet hasn’t increased his IQ, he is a total nutter. But I guess we all knew that.
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February 27, 2011 10:31pm
Grizz

Getting away from the current debate, the Greens in Ireland appear to be “Munted”.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0227/breaking2.html
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February 27, 2011 11:30pm
Pete George

Ken Rings predictions for yesterday.

Timing of potential activity increase 27 Feb Time: at 1am, 9.30am, 3-4pm, 8-9pm

Earthquakes yesterday (Geonet):
(Saturday 11.51 pm 3.8)
3.36 am 3.0
4.54 am 3.4
7.55 am 3.2
11.44 am 3.2
1.03 pm 3.5
2.11 pm 3.0
4.21 pm 3.7
5.54 pm 3.0
8.34 pm 2.9

He “predicted” the smallest quake of the day. He was wrong on the other 8.
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