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Luc Hansen

To magic bullet

bang bang

Just to be first
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February 25, 2011 4:20pm
magic bullet

John Key, along with the American Bankers want an ANZAC currency. This is what they were due to discuss on the day of the quake. What i want to know now is, what has happened to those talks? Are they being carried out now by Key’s underlings? Or perhaps Key’s superiors in the New York Banking community where he made his millions? Can we expect the news to cover these things at the moment?

All very interesting questions IMO.
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February 25, 2011 4:25pm
RightNow

Two and a Half Men to stop filming. Shame, one of my favourite shows. Mind you if they replaced it with a reality show just following Sheen around with a camera it would probably be even better.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/24/cbs-reportedly-shuts-half-men-season-charile-sheen-behavior/
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February 25, 2011 4:26pm
magic bullet

Very good Luc – minor internal laugh…
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February 25, 2011 4:27pm
big bruv

V2

Where did you ever get the idea I was a Green supporter?

As for Winston Hide…..there is no chance he will ever get my vote either.
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February 25, 2011 4:31pm
Luc Hansen

I spotted this statistical snippet in last weekends SST, that natural catastrophes have increased in number from 30 in 1970 to 130 last year. I don’t know the provenance for that statistic, so I went looking for more information.

This, from one of the giant reinsurance companies mentioned in the article, is informative: http://www.munichre.com/en/media_relations/press_releases/2010/2010_09_27_press_release.aspx

Especially,

Munich Re’s natural catastrophe database, the most comprehensive of its kind in the world, shows a marked increase in the number of weather-related events. For instance, globally there has been a more than threefold increase in loss-related floods since 1980 and more than double the number of windstorm natural catastrophes, with particularly heavy losses as a result of Atlantic hurricanes.

The rise in natural catastrophe losses is primarily due to socio-economic factors. In many countries, populations are rising, and more and more people moving into exposed areas. At the same time, greater prosperity is leading to higher property values. Nevertheless, it would seem that the only plausible explanation for the rise in weather-related catastrophes is climate change. The view that weather extremes are more frequent and intense due to global warming coincides with the current state of scientific knowledge as set out in the Fourth IPCC Assessment Report.

{Why do Fox trot out Dick Morris – he’s always so wrong!}
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February 25, 2011 4:37pm
RightNow

I spotted this biography on the AFLCIO website:
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/history/history/meany.cfm

I wonder what George Meany had to say about the idea of public sector unions?
““It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions
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February 25, 2011 4:42pm
pentwig

Is Magic Bullet another alias for Trevor Mallard?
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February 25, 2011 4:44pm
magic bullet

Hey pentwig – thanks for supporting tyranny. Please play again.
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February 25, 2011 4:46pm
kowtow

Sorry to reignite.

Corage wolf at 1010 says “most people do not believe….”

I think our last census shows NZ to be over 60% Christian. (Iwill take a correction from any clever fellow with a link )

The ME is full of Muslims who definitly believe. Africa probably has very few aetheists. South America, thanks to the conquistadors is very Roman.
Asians are a mix of many religions.
Where are Coward woofs “most people”,Dawkins is not a majority.
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February 25, 2011 4:49pm
RightNow

Friday Funny: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5474333318_d79c8022ee_z.jpg
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February 25, 2011 5:04pm
Jimbob

I had a thought that the Govt. take over the Pike River coal mine, it has 4-6 Billion dollars worth of coal in it. Open cast it and all profits to the Christchurch rebuild.
Nobody should have a problem with that. Would a greenie be so heartless?
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February 25, 2011 5:06pm
Courage Wolf

# kowtow (966) Says:
February 25th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

Sorry to reignite.

Corage wolf at 1010 says “most people do not believe….”

I think our last census shows NZ to be over 60% Christian. (Iwill take a correction from any clever fellow with a link )

The ME is full of Muslims who definitly believe. Africa probably has very few aetheists. South America, thanks to the conquistadors is very Roman.
Asians are a mix of many religions.
Where are Coward woofs “most people”,Dawkins is not a majority.

I probably should have made it more grammatically correct but of course had you quoted my full sentence you would see that I was saying the reason most people do not believe in God is because of injustice, i.e. the reason most people who do not believe in God out of those who do not believe in God do not believe in God is because of injustice

Of course as you would know Jesus also said those who claim to believe in Him and utter His name will not necessarily enter into the afterlife – what with God saying to them: “Away from me, evildoers, I never knew you,” and what have you. I daresay this accounts for quite a few of that 60% that don’t necessarily subscribe to the idea of receiving Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and speak in tongues whilst falling over during the Sunday morning Pentecostal power-pop God is superman and better than ice-cream singing sessions.
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February 25, 2011 5:22pm
starboard

Where is this God ? I seek him but he has not come.
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February 25, 2011 5:35pm
Luc Hansen

I don’t actually seek him, starboard, but if he happened over my way I’d have some tough questions to ask that prick!
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February 25, 2011 5:40pm
All_on_Red

“Munich Re’s natural catastrophe database, the most comprehensive of its kind in the world, shows a marked increase in the number of weather-related events. For instance, globally there has been a more than threefold increase in loss-related floods since 1980”

heck Luc, are you telling us you believe what a great big evil capitalist corporate poor bashing corporate like Munich Re says?
Also real scientists look at the data from the 1800’s which show clearly there is no increase…They dont really think data from 1980 to 2010 is long enough to judge a climate trend. Nice try though.
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February 25, 2011 5:43pm
bereal

State troopers scouring Wisconsin for the MIA democrats who are getting paid for avoiding
doing their duty is just like truant officers looking for kids who are wagging it.

Why is it that virtually the only field of endevour where total incompetents have the protection
of their union and are never fired is school teaching ?

Why is it that performance based pay is sacreligiuos to the PPTA
I heard recently that in New Zealand of over 300 teachers who were investigated for being
useless, totally useless, illiterate nincompoops, only one has been dismissed.
How does that work ?
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February 25, 2011 5:47pm
bereal

Anyone interested to the answer as to why school teachers are never dismissed when they prove to be
useless incompetants i will draw you a picture and spell it out for you later today,
Think about it.
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February 25, 2011 5:53pm
kowtow

argghhh

starboard,I’ve just noticed the number after your moniker…….argghhhh,deduct 1000 which of course is one milleneum and we are left with arghhhh the mark of the BEAST arrgghhhh.

If , if you then are the BEAST then there must be a God ………proof at last,here on kiwiblog, a sign.!!!!!

and Luc you can put your questions now , not to God but to the Beast that will be called starboard. Here ,here on kiwiblog, all answers to the mystery that is life on Earth . From our very own starboard.
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February 25, 2011 6:03pm
starboard

shit I know..I just noticed that myself.
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February 25, 2011 6:10pm
starboard

kneel before me…
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February 25, 2011 6:13pm
starboard

..and now its magically changed to 1668..
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February 25, 2011 6:15pm
Luc Hansen

What mystery, starboard?

Hey All Red – got a link to a peer reviewed journal, preferably on the ISI master list of journals for your “real scientists” findings of no increase in weather events since 1800?

Also, 30 years is exactly the time period used worldwide to define climate as opposed to weather.

What’s the bet you just hide under a rock?
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February 25, 2011 6:26pm
adze

[useless trivia]1666 was also the year of the great fire of London, and another period of ‘end times’ hysteria because of the 666 number.
In a few posts starboard you’ll be up to the (English) Bill of Rights :)[/useless trivia]
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February 25, 2011 6:26pm
starboard

ah well back to me rum.
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February 25, 2011 6:38pm
big bruv

73-6….need I tell anybody which side is batting?
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February 25, 2011 6:39pm
RightNow

red rum?
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February 25, 2011 6:39pm
Luc Hansen

Ain’t gonna be much suspense in this one – may as well leave the beer in the fridge.
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February 25, 2011 6:46pm
All_on_Red

Luc
No rock just putting a 2yo to bed.
Try this. Some nice graphs for you and links to papers by:
Global Tropical Cyclone Activity -Dr Ryan Maue
Crompton and Macaney (2008)
Bureau of Meteorology -Tropical Cyclone Trends
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/02/questions-real-journalists-ought-to-be-asking-about-yasi/

Read and learn. You really need to give up on some of your sources
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February 25, 2011 6:48pm
All_on_Red

Luc, you probably should read this too. That positive feedback from radiative forcing aint happening to get that “extra” 2-4 degrees. Thats why we are only seeing .7 per century, and after 30 years the anomaly is now only .083 above the start point -source UAH series
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
http://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/the-missing-hotspot/
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February 25, 2011 6:53pm
starboard

Coruba and coke…just booootiful..
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February 25, 2011 6:54pm
RightNow

Say, has anyone seen my graph of global world population lying around? It’s shaped like a hockey stick.

Having a nice home-brewed ale myself.
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February 25, 2011 6:56pm
All_on_Red

ahh, Sauvignon and the sweet feeling of having fisked a moron.
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February 25, 2011 6:57pm
starboard

A beautiful woman crushed in the earthquake..you wouldnt meet a nicer person..an air traffic controller here in chc..why?
Why not the scum who stole the power generators? Why the good people? Where is this God? I want some questions answered. You bastard. Tell me why.
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February 25, 2011 6:59pm
RightNow

“just putting a 2yo to bed.” you lucky lucky bastard. I can’t get mine to sleep before at least 8!
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February 25, 2011 6:59pm
paws

The slackcaps 85 for 6 ,fuck stay there NO ONE will notice this team of rubbish slackers has not returned home. Should i call them crapcaps or slackcaps so many insults so little time
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February 25, 2011 6:59pm
big bruv

Ice Beer here, not usually a drinker but made an exception tonight.

Always a bit suspicious of wine drinkers… 🙂
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February 25, 2011 6:59pm
big bruv

Luc……Luc….where have you gone?
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February 25, 2011 7:00pm
nickb

starboard you from chch? You alright down there mate?

Bruv just shut up already. In the time it took me to walk home we went from 60-2 to 80-6.
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February 25, 2011 7:01pm
starboard

nah mate Im not good. Ive seen to much.
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February 25, 2011 7:04pm
big bruv

nickb

You walked home?…are you a closet Green?

There are things called cars that you can use.
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February 25, 2011 7:05pm
big bruv

starboard

Then get the hell out for a few days mate, you and your family are welcome here.
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February 25, 2011 7:06pm
Manolo

Always a bit suspicious of wine drinkers

Shame on you.
Only three beverages are worth drinking: fine wine, good beer and single malt whisky. 🙂
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February 25, 2011 7:06pm
Manolo

Alan Jones challenges and exposes the liar Australian Prime Minister Gillard.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=8186

Hat Tip: TrueBlue
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February 25, 2011 7:09pm
Luc Hansen

I’m here, I’m here…

I’ve got a Jo Nova link for you too. I’ve been really enjoying following Shelly in the comments thread for the announcement of a deniers conference!

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/09/join-us-in-sydney-friday-october-1/

Some of them even quote Monckton! FFS!

And they trot out the usual lies. But then, de Freitas is pretty good at that himself.

Talking about 2yos – ours is pretty tough at the moment. She has late sleeps then won’t sleep again till 9 or so!

Yay! We made our ton!

All Red – don’t forget the other .7C that’s in the pipeline. It coming at ya, and it’s going to hit like a freight train! The tragedy here, living in sweetly temperate NZ, is that we can safely ignore the misfortunes of those already suffering from climate change. But of course, these are overwhelmingly black/brown and Muslim, so we don’t care, do we?
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February 25, 2011 7:11pm
starboard

Id love to BB and thank you for the offer. We are outa here May 2nd for 6 weeks overseas and the time cant come quick enough believe me.
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February 25, 2011 7:17pm
nickb

Thats no good mate, sorry to hear.

Do you have a holiday home etc you can make it to?

I can’t speak for people down there but I would be getting out for a few weeks if I could
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February 25, 2011 7:22pm
big bruv

121 – 7
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February 25, 2011 7:28pm
nickb

Oh and starboard if you are thinking of waving guns around you could start worse by pointing them at the skinheads that stole those generators…. lowlife pieces of shit
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February 25, 2011 7:29pm
RightNow

Lol Luc, I can just see you grinning to yourself as you troll through comment threads looking for someone dumb enough for you to feel superior to.
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February 25, 2011 7:33pm
Luc Hansen

All Red

When you start posting credible peer-reviewed journal articles (or sources where these are referenced), you are wasting our time. Any of us can invent data and doctor graphs to make them look the opposite of what they really mean.

Every credible government, every single national science academy and 98% of scientists actively engaged in climate research all agree with the IPCC consensus reports, which are very conservative. I am sure the next will convey more urgency.

Their is no scientific uncertainty about the broad fact that the planet is in an energy imbalance which is causing warming. The uncertainty is about the effects of that warming, and report after report indicates that the changes are coming faster than previously believed.

And you all need to understand this: the hockey stick graph was reviewed under the orders of the US Congress and not only found valid, but its reach (ie handle, if you like) was extended back another 500 years or so.

But, I know, facts mean nothing.

PS A peer-reviewed study on Tibetan glaciers by those who know them best: http://zh.scichina.com/new_web_en/News.asp?id=850
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February 25, 2011 7:47pm
bhudson

Luc,

Any of us can invent data and doctor graphs to make them look the opposite of what they really mean.

So you would be referring to the Hockey Stick effect then? (oh yes, I see you are desperately trying to. Keep clinging Luc, you must have a shred of fingernail left yet.) Or perhaps the eradication of the Himalayian Glaciers within 25-odd years? Or, really, just any old piece of IPCC-endorsed material?
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February 25, 2011 7:53pm
reid

Oh and starboard if you are thinking of waving guns around you could start worse by pointing them at the skinheads that stole those generators…. lowlife pieces of shit

Not to mention these guys here.

Does the fact this family has been heavily featured in the media over the last few days in photo galleries mean these guys did it knowing what the family was going through, or was it all just a coincidence, out of the thousands of other properties, they just happened to chose that one.

Depends who they are doesn’t it. Really looking forward to seeing their faces on TV.
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February 25, 2011 7:57pm
reid

Luc are you still wanking on about AGW science as if that makes any diff at all? Fuck is it because now phil’s been banned you have to fill-in for awhile? So you get all fanatical about something about which all the arguments are the same and whatever you quote and whatever I or anyone else quotes makes no difference at all?

Get off it mate, we know what you think, we just think you’re quite wrong. Change the subject.
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February 25, 2011 8:05pm
Luc Hansen

All Red

For comprehensive rebuttal of Dr Roy Spencer see here
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February 25, 2011 8:05pm
joana

Unconfirmed reports…that Gaddaffi has been assassinated.
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February 25, 2011 8:08pm
Johnboy

I’m really pissed they have canned the census.

I wanted to see if I could not do four of them without getting caught.

I’ve got a better record than the Wizard of Oamaru and I don’t even de-materialize like he can. 🙂
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February 25, 2011 8:10pm
Johnboy

It was obviously a mercy killing by the fashion police joana.

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://nehandaradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Muammar-Gaddafi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://nehandaradio.com/2010/09/01/gaddafi-calls-african-migrants-%25E2%2580%2598starving-and-ignorant%25E2%2580%2599/&usg=__vAhL7tmBTT5VUtvE3UmuRTP264w=&h=393&w=610&sz=64&hl=en&start=90&zoom=1&tbnid=CqO1CFx6_-kdOM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=208&ei=8VZnTZbrKYyosQO-nOCmBA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgaddafi%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1507%26bih%3D803%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C2128&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=343&vpy=226&dur=5921&hovh=180&hovw=280&tx=184&ty=113&oei=eVZnTd_IEYiosAPg1tjuBA&page=4&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:90&biw=1507&bih=803
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February 25, 2011 8:16pm
Viking2

# starboard (1,674) Says:
February 25th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

A beautiful woman crushed in the earthquake..you wouldnt meet a nicer person..an air traffic controller here in chc..why?
Why not the scum who stole the power generators? Why the good people? Where is this God? I want some questions answered. You bastard. Tell me why.

Answers simple if you think about it.
You are not likely to get killed lying around some scummy house whereas those beautiful people go to work and suffer the consequences.
These scum should be sent to Singapore jails.
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February 25, 2011 8:22pm
big bruv

196 – 8…..is there a glimmer of hope?
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February 25, 2011 8:27pm
big bruv

One of the things I will never get about the left is they way that so many of them are prepared to make excuses for the low life who loot, rob and steal during a crisis like the one we have in Christchurch.

Why on earth do they defend them?
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February 25, 2011 8:30pm
Luc Hansen

No trouble reid – change of topic: A good day for us.

Our kind neighbour (just below us) took out some trees today and added another $20,000 at least to our house value by widening our view of the inner harbour. We look directly out onto the Greenhithe bridge, can see both ends it and surrounding vista, and can now actually see our Hercules land on the other side of the harbour.

Nice BBQ view
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February 25, 2011 8:33pm
big bruv

Maybe not…….206 all out.
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February 25, 2011 8:35pm
Johnboy

Gotta look after your supporters BB.

Take a look at the Green/Labour line up.

Only a low life would vote for a bunch of retarded, losers like them. 🙂
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February 25, 2011 8:35pm
starboard

You are not likely to get killed lying around some scummy house whereas those beautiful people go to work and suffer the consequences.

..The poor girl was in the city mall shopping..she got crushed by falling masonry..she was on her way to buy an engagement ring with her partner…bastard God you fuckin tell me why…show yourself and explain…you bastard.
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February 25, 2011 8:40pm
starboard

thats right..you cant can you..you dont exist. Yeah whatever…strike me down..pfft.
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February 25, 2011 8:41pm
reid

Good on ya for doing it Luc but next time IIWY (if I were you) I’d try something a bit more dynamic, like:

joanna, re: alleged Gaddafi assassination, got a link?

-or-

bastard God you fuckin tell me why…show yourself and explain…you bastard

G-d’s justice is unfathomable. Look what He has allowed in the past and will continue. This is not an issue for those with faith but please don’t imagine we don’t also ask the question.
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February 25, 2011 8:48pm
virtualmark

Starboard, to take an alternative view of it … if there is no God then how is anyone dying in an earthquake a tragedy? How is it “unfair”?
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February 25, 2011 8:50pm
MT_Tinman

Johnboy (4,310) Says:
February 25th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
I’m really pissed they have canned the census.

I wanted to see if I could not do four of them without getting caught.

I’ve got a better record than the Wizard of Oamaru and I don’t even de-materialize like he can.

I can match you, census for census and would have easily made four.

Maybe this god fellow lives in NZ and also had a run going – for a fellow who has a habit of mass murdering children to get back at their parents an earthquake to avoid a census should be easy.
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February 25, 2011 9:01pm
Nookin

I didn’t watch much of the nz innings but saw the last wicket. I think we had 4 or 5 overs to go and could have got 15 or so in ones or twos. So what does he do — tries to get 20 off one ball. I remember that when the needle was coaching the Orblax anyone running the ball out in front of the posts would be reduced to a quivering mess in the changing rooms. Maybe time for some more needle. If any batsman does that sort of shit they should be too bloody scared to go back to the dressing room. They should be bloody well ashamed of themselves. How did the others go out? Give their wickets away?
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February 25, 2011 9:02pm
Luc Hansen

Ah well, cricket’s kaput, but I’ll keep an eye it on once toddler has gone to sleep in front of her cartoons. I’d put her to bed but her Mum’s sick and sleeping and baby would wake her up bawling about going to bed.

Time for a quick catch up on Al Jazeera; watch the latest http://www.democracynow.org with Amy Goodman;catch up on Rachel Maddow at msnbc, then maybe see if Keith Olberman has got started on Al Gore’s channel.

Just a quiet Friday night.
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February 25, 2011 9:05pm
reid

I’m beginning to understand, Luc.

Maybe this G-d fellow lives in NZ

No this was for a time in the 70’s mistaken for heaven when Jesus Christ Superstar West End show landed here and everyone started calling it God-Zone. However that didn’t last after the 1987 crash and it’s been pretty subdued since then.
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February 25, 2011 9:07pm
Johnboy

How did you do it Tinnie?

I just tossed it in the fire and told them I had posted it when they came round.

Never heard anymore.

When I used to fill them in I used to lie like buggery.

I really feel it is every citizens duty to fuck the bureaucrats at every opportunity. 🙂
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February 25, 2011 9:08pm
Luc Hansen

Be fair reid

I spent the afternoon watching Glenn beck, Bill O’Reilly, Hannity and some aging blonde whose name I forget. Only while running around after toddler, I admit.

I like Bill – he’s a grandfatherly type but boy, is he fucked up bigtime in his politics and his idea of FACTS (that five letter obscenity for right wing loons)!

Anyway, I forgot to let you guys know, the Federal Govt in the US is no longer defending the DOMA (act that says marriage can only be between a man and a woman) so it’s only a matter of time before gay marriage is widespread in the US. The lovely Rachel Maddow looked pretty happy at the news. I wonder why?
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February 25, 2011 9:40pm
reid

the Federal Govt in the US is no longer defending the DOMA (act that says marriage can only be between a man and a woman) so it’s only a matter of time before gay marriage is widespread in the US.

Why that’s wonderful news Luc. Isn’t it super that the institution of marriage which I understand goes even beyond Western civilisation is being undermined by the superficial value of lust.

I don’t know about you Luc but personally I’m very very happy about that and think it’s a very good thing indeed, not. Cause I’m afraid Luc I don’t buy the “human right” argument. I’m afraid I don’t agree that preventing gay couples from becoming indistinguishable from straight couples in every way is an abuse of human rights. I’m afraid I think there are deep psychological dynamics that happen within straight families which don’t happen in gay families. The male-female dynamics of a straight family with father mother son and daughter more accurately reflect the actual microcosm of real life and that’s just the simple fact of it.

It’s amazing how many useful idiots there are isn’t it.
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February 25, 2011 10:06pm
Luc Hansen

reid

Who says you are useful?

😉
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February 25, 2011 10:21pm
big bruv

Johnboy

The census form can be a bit of a laugh, when you get to the bit about naming the people in your house that evening I like to write down names like…

1 Mr N Mandela
2 Mr J Lennon
3 Mr G Best
4 Ms P Anderson
5 Mr J Christ

How the hell would they know you are telling porkies?
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February 25, 2011 10:49pm
Yvette

virtualmark – “… if there is no God then how is anyone dying in an earthquake a tragedy?”

Because, from many accounts, it appears to hurt like fucking hell, and that seems a tragedy.
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February 25, 2011 11:28pm
Shunda barunda

It is always interesting when the non believers start cursing a God they don’t believe in for an event that is as natural as rain, day and night, and the changes in the seasons.

NZ wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for earthquakes.

It is up to us to learn about, and then live in harmony (as best we can) with the land we live on.
A tragic loss of life is sometimes the only thing that causes us to shift our values to where they need to be, these people don’t need to die in vain , they can save many lives in the future if we approach this terrible event the right way.
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February 26, 2011 12:31am
DJP6-25

Luc Hansen 3:55 pm. Is there no ‘climate science’ degree? I was being a tad facetious. I should have said Art History and ‘Gender Studies’. That is to say degrees in subjects where you can waffle on, and still get a pass. Not like engineering or math.

cheers

David Prosser
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February 26, 2011 6:12am
DJP6-25

big bruv 8:30pm. They’re defending their voting base.

cheers

David Prosser
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February 26, 2011 6:35am
MT_Tinman

Johnboy (4,311) Says:
February 25th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
How did you do it Tinnie?

I just told them I was somewhere else and filled in the form there – after they finally found me which I made sure wasn’t easy.

As you noted no one ever checked.
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February 26, 2011 7:24am
Manolo

Gaddafi trying to bribe the insurgents. These are desperate times for the (hopefully) soon-to-be-hanged dictator.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0225/Libya-s-Qaddafi-offers-400-per-family-as-rebels-close-in-on-Tripoli

As anti-government forces and demonstrators draw nearer to Libya’s capital, Tripoli, Qaddafi appears to be further losing his grip on power.

In an attempt to appease the masses – possibly inspired by Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, who promised his subject $36 billion in benefits to stave off any potential revolutionaries – Libya’s besieged leader on Friday pledged a 150% increase in some government workers’ wages and promised to give every family $400.

Libyan state television announced the increase and said each family would receive $400 to help them cope with the rising food prices.
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February 26, 2011 7:30am
Manolo

The horrible Nancy Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, and tireless Democratic leader defender of the poor:

Chocolate strawberries among extravagant demands by Nancy Pelosi as she spent $101,000 in two years on services while travelling with US Airforce

The former House Speaker was showered with a cornucopia of gourmet food and alcohol as she travelled over 90,000 miles around the world in just nine months last year – all courtesy of the US Air Force.

On one overseas excursion, her office even wrote to the USAF asking for strawberries dipped in dark chocolate as a birthday treat.

The documents, uncovered by political corruption watchdog Judicial Watch, reveal that the US taxpayer was billed for $101,429 (£64,000) in Mrs Pelosi’s in-flight services over a period of two years. One internal Air Force email sent on March 25, 2010 said: ‘The speaker’s office is requesting egg salad sandwiches on wheat toast with fruit for dessert.

‘It’s the speaker’s B-Day tomorrow so we’re also asking for something like chocolate covered strawberries (dark chocolate preferred)…’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351005/Air-Taxpayer-Chocolate-strawberries-extravagant-demands-Nancy-Pelosi-travelled-world-courtesy-US-Airforce.html
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February 26, 2011 11:22am
virtualmark

Yvette, just to be clear, I’m not saying it isn’t a tragedy. And I was there, right in it. A man died less than 100m down the road from where I was. I think that was a tragedy.

But starboard is trolling, trying to use a 3rd formers understanding of religion to score points in some game he thinks is important. My post was just to turn his spurious questions around on himself.
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February 26, 2011 12:48pm
Luc Hansen

To David Prosser

Interesting that you mention engineering and maths – two vital components of climate research. Along with the other sciences like physics. I can attest to the fact that i never found much “waffle room” in physics.

Cheers
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February 26, 2011 1:12pm
Courage Wolf

# Shunda barunda (1,530) Says:
February 26th, 2011 at 12:31 am

It is always interesting when the non believers start cursing a God they don’t believe in for an event that is as natural as rain, day and night, and the changes in the seasons.

NZ wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for earthquakes.

It is up to us to learn about, and then live in harmony (as best we can) with the land we live on.
A tragic loss of life is sometimes the only thing that causes us to shift our values to where they need to be, these people don’t need to die in vain , they can save many lives in the future if we approach this terrible event the right way.

It is always interesting when the believers start praying to a God they believe in for an event that is as natural as rain, day and night, and the changes in the seasons.

NZ wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for earthquakes.

It is up to us to learn about, and then live in harmony (as best we can) with the land we live on.

A tragic loss of life is sometimes the only thing that causes us to shift our values to where they need to be, these people don’t need to die in vain , they can save many lives in the future if we approach this terrible event the right way.
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February 26, 2011 6:21pm
big bruv

As one of the worlds most committed atheists I have to say that at time like this the I can see the value in religion for those who believe.

Over the coming weeks many people will start to crack up, some will turn to booze, some may even turn to drugs, others will turn to religion, I think most of us would agree that a few hundred new followers of middle eastern superstition is preferable to people becoming drunks or druggies.

I see nothing wrong with it at all, at times like this religion can be a good thing, just as long as they do not try and tell me how to live my life or try and force me to change based on their beliefs.
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February 26, 2011 6:34pm
MT_Tinman

‘ere!

What the hell’s wrong with being a drunk?

The rest I agree with, people need gods.

I have several.
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February 26, 2011 6:53pm
DJP6-25

Luc Hansen 1:12pm It’s quite possible to BS your way through university by taking a bunch of soft humanities subjects, and ending up with a ‘BA’. Then you can go and work as a ‘policy analyst’ and have a job for life.

cheers

David Prosser
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February 27, 2011 6:19am
Manolo

The thug Harawira speaks after his expulsion from the racists’ party. As usual, he blames the white man.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4709372/Maori-MPs-just-pawns-says-Hone/

Maori MPs just pawns

Maori politicians are being used as political pawns by mainstream parties, Hone Harawira has told a Native American news service.

According to Indian Country Today Media, the former Maori Party MP, who is now an independent, said: “Maori people who hold office with white parties are basically ignored. They are trotted out to do a speech, and then kicked out of the room when the decisions are made.”

When asked about the importance of dedicated indigenous seats in parliament, he added: “At that level it’s about learning the skills of macro management, rather than bullshitting yourself that you’re part of the government, because the white boys will kick you out.”
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February 27, 2011 7:58am
Manolo

Comrade MacacaCarten weekly column in support of the thug Harawira:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10708966

You can say what you like about Harawira, but no one doubts his sincerity when it comes to fighting for the poor. This is a constituency screaming out for a staunch champion. In Harawira they’ll get one.

I suspect Harawira’s new party will get one to three seats from his party list in addition to his own. As a consequence, even if the Maori Party leadership stuck with National after the election they would be neutralised by Harawira if he got other MPs in with him. Hell would freeze over before Harawira went with National.

Given that the Maori seats will overwhelmingly support Labour on the party vote, it’s quite possible all seven MPs will back a Labour-led government as part of a joint negotiation strategy.

Taking into account there will be more than 120 seats in the next parliament (in the event that the Maori Party wins more electorate seats than its party vote), the National Party, even with Peter Dunne and Act, will need 47 per cent of the party vote to win a majority. Last election they got 45.

Any takers for John Key sleepwalking to victory now?
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February 27, 2011 8:12am
Pete George

McCarten: Harawira expulsion may be Key’s undoing

It’s more likely it will be Harawira’s undoing.

I suspect Harawira’s new party will get one to three seats from his party list in addition to his own.

I suspect McCarten is dreaming, The MP get a poor party vote, how will Harawira do much better?

…but no one doubts his sincerity when it comes to fighting for the poor.

I’d rather speak for myself on that – I don’t doubt his sincerity when it comes to fighting for the “poor me”.
I also don’t doubt his apparent lack of reality.
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February 27, 2011 8:30am
big bruv

Also note that the other racist low life party the Greens are quick to agree with John Hatfield.

Both Hatfield and the Greens deserve each other, their is nothing more sickening than a middle class liberal with white man’s guilt syndrome.
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