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February 15, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 15 February 2011

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rouppe 11:45: “I wonder how they actually graduate. Surely it must be a requirement of being a teacher that you have a suitable grasp of the basics.”

Why are we even surprised at this outcome? After 25-30 years of the school curriculum being dumbed down relentlessly and almost nobody being able to “fail”, a proportion of those who have sought teaching as a career are demonstrating to school principals what most other employers already know about inadequate education standards.

I love the the following reference attributed in the news item to the Director of the Education Council, a PhD it seems (although it is possible that the interviewing journalist is responsible for mangling the language below):

“The rest [of the 174 incompetent teachers] had either not reached an agreement with the council, had decided to leave the profession, could not be located, had bad health or had died. They would need to meet conditions before their practising certificates became current again.”

I await information on what conditions the dead teachers will have to meet.
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February 15, 2011 2:43pm
Offshore_Kiwi

bereal, seriously friend, just RIP the prick. You’ll be a LOT happier.
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February 15, 2011 2:44pm
bereal

Thanks Offshore_Kiwi
Good advice, however, i enjoy exposing a hugely self important, self declared 140 plus IQ prick with my modest IQ
particulary when my taxes are paying for the bludging parasite nonce to eat.
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February 15, 2011 2:56pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Exactly why I RIP’ed it. It is sucking up enough of my family’s wealth (not mine directly as I am currently serving time on Julia Gillard’s prison island) so I decided not to waste any more by dealing with it. I tried a while over the weekend on the Coddington thread but decided it was a waste of my time. I’ve been a lot happier since I don’t see the explosions of punctuation interspersed with indecipherable drivel spewed up all over the browser page in an orgy of dope and munchies.
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February 15, 2011 3:10pm
thedavincimode

Bloody hell. Shall we just go back to swapping recipes?
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February 15, 2011 3:14pm
philu

(here is the commentary on todays’ questiontime….)

1. Dr RUSSEL NORMAN to the Minister of Finance: Does the investment protocol the Prime Minister will be signing with Australia include any provisions that would stop Australians from buying shares in New Zealand State-owned assets such as Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power, Genesis Energy and Solid Energy, should a future Government privatise them?

english says new zealanders will be ‘at the head of the queue..’..(wtf assurance is that…?..)

norman points out the terms of our trade deals with australia….prohibit any such favouring of new zealanders..

english then takes a patsy question…and bangs on and on about how much new zealanders have invested in australia..(w.t.f..was that..)

goff quotes treasury document saying foreigners will have quarter shares after some years..

..english denies knowledge of this advice….

english lodges the treasury-paper saying just that…

norman asks about profits flowing offshore..and how does that help new zealand’ economy..

..in reply..english bangs on again..about how much we are invested in australia…

(banks take out $2.5 billion in profits each year..(!)..w.t.f..!)

english advises that new zealanders should save more..(!)…..and buy shares in those profiteering businesses…(!)

(ed:..norman did a good job of shining the spotlight on these ‘mum ‘n dad’investors…lies..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/questions-for-oral-answer-tuesday-15-february-2011-questions-to-ministers/
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February 15, 2011 3:15pm
thedavincimode

see what I mean?
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February 15, 2011 3:16pm
malcolm

I got the following nice reply from Hon Tim Macindoe (Hamilton West) and a “Thank you for your interesting views” from Louise Upston (Taupo):

Dear Malcolm,

Thank you for your recent email.

National’s bottom line in reviewing the Foreshore and Seabed law has
always been to guarantee free public access in our foreshore and seabed
area for all New Zealanders. We also want to restore the right of access
to justice where it has been taken away.

The bill has been with a select committee for the last five months while
public submissions were heard. At the same time, the Attorney-General,
other Members of Parliament and I have been meeting with and listening
to constituents. Last year I participated in (and helped to organise)
two well-attended meetings on the Bill in my electorate.

The Government has listened to people’s concerns, and will amend the
bill to ensure greater transparency in recognising customary title.

We are amending the bill so any agreement negotiated with the Crown to
recognise customary title must be passed into legislation. This will
ensure full public and Parliamentary scrutiny, and will prevent any
future government from closed-door negotiations on customary title.

Any negotiated agreement must still meet the legal requirements for
customary title set out in the bill.

The Marine and Coastal Area Bill does not automatically grant property
rights to coastal iwi and hapu. Instead, it restores the right for iwi
and hapu to prove that property right through our court system, or via
negotiation with the Crown. Where customary title is proved, it will sit
alongside common area rights such as public access, fishing and
navigation, aquaculture, and port operation. Customary title does not
supersede these rights and activities.

All applications for customary title must be made within six years of
the enactment of the bill.

Now that the Select Committee has reported back to Parliament, the
Marine and Coastal Area Bill will go through full second, third, and
Committee of the Whole House readings in Parliament.

The Marine and Coastal Area Bill:
* Repeals the Foreshore and Seabed Act.
* Guarantees free public access to the common marine and coastal
area for all New Zealanders.
* Preserves all existing use rights – including recreational
fishing rights and navigation rights
* Protects the Marine and Coastal Area from being sold
* Preserves and in some cases extends the rights of vital
infrastructure, such as ports or aquaculture.

The new Bill does not affect the 12,500 existing private titles in the
Marine and Coastal Area, but means that no further private titles can be
created.

The Marine and Coastal Area Bill guarantees the rights of all New
Zealanders in the common marine and coastal area, including free public
access. It restores access to justice through the Courts and long
established common law property rights, which are both core National
Party principles.

Every party in Parliament agrees the 2004 Foreshore and Seabed Act
should be repealed and replaced. National wants to settle this issue so
that it does not remain as a weeping sore for New Zealanders and for
future governments. We’re determined to move New Zealand forward.

I trust this response has clarified and corrected the misinformation
that is being deliberately spread by our opponents for their own
political purposes through media advertising, leaflet drops and email
circulars at the present time. As a proud and patriotic New Zealander
of European (pakeha) descent, I am convinced that the Marine and Coastal
Area Bill is a fair and balanced solution that reflects core National
Party principles including one law for all, respect for all races,
cultures and the rule of law, and in years to come I believe that the
inflammatory and divisive claims of the Bill’s critics will be shown to
have been false and without substance. If we do not resolve this issue
now, it will continue to divide our nation and we will have abrogated
our responsibility to our children and grandchildren.

Our solution is enduring and just, and a positive outcome for all New
Zealanders. If you are one of my constituents (resident in the Hamilton
West electorate) and would like more information and/or to meet me in
person to discuss this issue and your concerns about the Bill, please
phone my office on 846 0055 to make your request and supply your contact
details.

Yours sincerely,

Tim Macindoe
MP for Hamilton West
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February 15, 2011 3:19pm
bereal

The penny will drop one day for this bludger when he realises that even his own sprog cant have any respect for him.
‘How come you sat on your arse for at least 16 years dad ?
How about some of my friends who have a single parent who work ?
They set some sort of an example for my friends and instilled a work ethic in them.
‘What did you do for me dad, you parasite bludger ?
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February 15, 2011 3:20pm
philu

“..I’ve been a lot happier since I don’t see the explosions of punctuation interspersed with indecipherable drivel spewed up all over the browser page in an orgy of dope and munchies…”

that sentence hangs together quite well..eh…?…

…it builds suspense….maintains it…and finishes in a tidy/satisfying manner…

(shame he has me rip-ed..eh..?…he’ll never hear the praise/well done that man..!…

another tree falls in the forest…

..and the rip-ers/tunnel-visioners …

.. don’t hear it….)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 3:22pm
malcolm

Thanks for that reply yesterday, thedavincimode. I totally agree. I made a few coq au vins over winter. Fantastic.
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February 15, 2011 3:25pm
philu

(ahem..!..of course goff lodged the treasury-paper/advice..not english..

..it was english who was nailed/proven wrong..

phil(whoar.co.nz)..
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February 15, 2011 3:25pm
bereal

Hey dad, (philu)
Did you realy think that sitting on your arse all those years and making smartarse comments was
a substitute for setting an example for me to follow.
Guess what dad, i’m going to suceed in life, despite you.

The above could be a bit tough even for me, but a bludging parasite like philu needs to hear it.
You listening bludger ?
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February 15, 2011 3:30pm
Offshore_Kiwi

@Malcolm, there are so many half-truths, outright lies and weasel words in MacIndoes communique I’m not sure where to begin (although I do congratulate him for actually responding).

(1) Why is it when the government is talking about Maori’s avenues for gaining title, they always say “it restores the right for iwi and hapu to prove that property right through our court system, or via negotiation with the Crown”. If they were being honest, they would say “It gives Corporate Iwi the ability to negotiate with the Crown, and in the unlikely even they don’t get the outcome they want, they can go running to the Courts”. The political avenue will always be attempted before the Courts are approached and if anybody thinks this is anything other than arse-about, they are seriously in need of some of Phool’s medicine.

(2) Why is it they are lying about free public access? The bill as reported back from the Select Committee does not specifically mention free public access. Chris Finlayson has promised to include it but the wording has not yet been released. Anybody silly enough to take the hopelessly compromised Finlayson at his word on this issue deserves what they get. Also, the Apartheid Party have said previously that if the new law provides a guarantee of free public access, they will not support it. So who does Finlayson support? His current employers (all the people of New Zealand), or his former (and future) employers (Corporate Iwi, in the guise of the Apartheid Party)?

(3) Why do they never talk about the massive proportion of submissions in opposition to this outrageous law, and Quisling Key’s promise to withdraw it if there wasn’t widespread public support?

In short, the National Party and their supporters are liars on this issue. Quisling Key and Tinkerbell Finlayson are trading New Zealand’s heritage for 5 votes (well, 4, because John Hatfield has already said he won’t support it) that they don’t need.
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February 15, 2011 3:33pm
bereal

by the way. i now expect the huge brain philu will now score max points in his mind by correcting my spelling.
Hold your breath.
He cant help himself.
C’mon philu,
what you got to say ?…………….eh…….?
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February 15, 2011 3:36pm
malcolm

I sensed that as well, O_K, but I don’t have the time at present to wade through it. It’s a lengthy reply which makes me wonder if they’ve used it a few times. Which could be a good sign.
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February 15, 2011 3:38pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Yep true. If it’s a form letter it is an indication they’ve had to use it a few times. We can but hope the good work of the Coastal Coalition gets the right result.
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February 15, 2011 3:47pm
bereal

philu, you just don’t get it baby,
No one is interested in your view of question time in parliament . Any one who is interested can make up their own mind.
Nobody needs, or wants your purile interpretation. Get it parasite ?

What we want to hear is how you will explain to your sprog why his bludging dad sat on his arse all these
years and what sort of an example that was. How do you justify your bludging life to him ?

How do you compare yourself to other single parents who, got a job, had a career, employed home help,
set an example for their kids, with your sick, loser, drug addled, smart alec pittiful life ?

We know you have no self esteem, no pride. What do you have loser ?
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February 15, 2011 3:58pm
calendar girl

A different news item in today’s online “Herald”:

“The former national property manager for the ACC has today pleaded guilty to corruption charges brought by the Serious Fraud Office.”

The allegations against this person have been around for some time, but his guilty plea now is a fresh development. That doesn’t interest me quite so much as why the Herald should see fit to place the story in its Business section. It’s got very little to do with business:
– ACC is not a real business at all, it’s a Government-operated entity running a state-sanctioned monopoly over most forms of personal accident insurance.
– The former ACC national property manager is not a businessman – he’s been a public servant (for over 30 years?).
– While there are no doubt occurrences of corruption in real businesses as well, this story is not an example of such corruption or any indication of its likely frequency or seriousness.

I just wish that the Herald’s journalists, sub-editors and business editor would learn to keep that publication’s sparse business content strictly to genuine business stories and information. Otherwise we may as well read about the “business plans” of the Ministry of Education or the Office of Prime Minister and Cabinet for our daily business media fare.

On a brighter note, well done to the SFO for nailing the ACC fraudster.
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February 15, 2011 4:18pm
DavidR

2.41pm, bereal arrives on GD with a post all about philu. “Thus scoring a huge point. . ” etc.

2.56pm, another post about philu.

3.20pm another one and again at 3.30pm, 3.36pm and 3.58pm.

Honestly, bereal, can’t you think or talk about anything else? You’re frigging boring, Darling! Day after day after day . .

We get it already!
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February 15, 2011 4:18pm
bereal

C’mon philu
You’ve got a smart alec, dismissive comment about all and everthing, all day long, hundreds of them. So.
Respond to my comments about you.
Let me guess, if you do respond it will be to correct my spelling or call me a name.
You got anything else ? i doubt it. But if you can.
Show us how smart you really are.
Go for it darling.
Take the stage.
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February 15, 2011 4:26pm
Manolo

One of the chief racists joins the Maori Board debacle:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10706431

Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples has called for urgent negotiations to repair a growing rift between Auckland Council and its Maori Statutory Board.

The board has hired a barrister to prepare legal action against the Auckland Council for slashing its 2011/2012 budget from $3.4m to $1.9m in a close decision last night. Its chair David Taupiri said that the funding cut was unlawful, as the council was bound by legislation to meet the reasonable costs of the board.

Dr Sharples said the council needs to get used to a Maori board with real authority and work constructively with it.

He blasted Local Government Minister Rodney Hide for saying he never agreed with Maori having special representation on the Council.
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February 15, 2011 4:32pm
bereal

Hey DavidR.
Filter me out with Firefox if you dont like it.
If you want to discuss something with your mentor philu,
go to his site.

The point is, philu doesn’t get it yet, neither do you.
Eventually you will. Trust me.
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February 15, 2011 4:32pm
philu

i’m wondering if be-real is one of those particularly incoherent tory backbenchers..?

i dunno…paul quinn..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 4:36pm
Manolo

The future is bleak for some. You’ve been warned!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10706379

Children who live in houses which contain ‘P’ labs have similar exposure levels to the drug as adult users, a Environmental Science and Research (ESR) study of hair samples shows.

The study used hair samples from 36 children, aged between two months and 16 years, who had lived in houses which contained a ‘P’ lab and compared the levels of methamphetamine found with adult users.

Eighty-nine per cent tested positive for methamphetamine, and levels of the drug found in the hair samples were similar to adult users.
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February 15, 2011 4:36pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

An email received about 1 hour ago –

Hi there,

You are receiving this email because you have indicated you oppose the government’s Marine and Coastal Area Bill and agree with the Coastal Coalition that the foreshore and seabed should remain in Crown ownership.

  There is every sign that National is planning to ram the Bill through Parliament under urgency. That means it will be passed into law by the end of the week. You can read my newsletter explaining what is going on here [ http://www.nzcpr.com/Admin/Newsletter.htm ]  

To help us STOP the Bill, we are calling on you to do two things:

1. Read the flier and email all National MPs and Peter Dunne
 2. Send the flier on to everyone in your address book – let’s send it viral!

Flyer – http://www.nzcpr.com/StopTheBill.pdf 

The flier explains why the Bill will be bad for New Zealand and should be stopped. It enables readers to email all National MPs to tell them directly that they will not vote for them, donate any campaign funds, nor help in the election – if they go ahead and pass this Bill.

In a democracy, your opinion counts, so please email National MPs urgently.

And don’t forget Peter Dunne – his vote is crucial. If he were to vote against the Bill right now, the Bill would fail. In 2003 he was opposed to race-based laws: “If we create rights for some New Zealanders and not others, then we start down a very sure and slippery slope to anarchy.” Shouldn’t he be opposing the Marine and Coastal Area Bill for the same reason?

If you believe New Zealand’s foreshore and seabed should stay in Crown ownership, then please help us circulate this flier as far and wide as possible.   There is no time to lose.

If you need more information, please visit [ our http://www.CoastalCoalition.co.nz ] website.

Thank you for your help and support.
Kindest regards,
Dr Muriel Newman

One does wonder why the discussion reported on this bill, was two hours for 500 pages plus the consideration of 50 pages of recommendations, so amounting to less than 13 seconds per page, and now it may be banged through under urgency, when the Committee was not scheduled to report back for another two weeks?
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February 15, 2011 5:24pm
DavidR

bereal @ 4.32pm. Mentor? Not likely! Philu was RIP’d long ago, which cleaned-up General Debate, a bit. Unfortunately, most of what is left is people moaning about him. You’re not the only one, but you’re currently the worst offender. Even when he was banned they kept talking about him for months!

Even the notorious Redbaiter holds off on the infantile insults and abuse and talks sense sometimes – sort of.
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February 15, 2011 5:25pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Puzzled, I got the same email yesterday. I hope you’ve done your patriotic duty! There is some good commentary in this GD from Malcolm as well – worth a read.

And to answer your question, they’re ramming it through under urgency because that is what politicians do when they’re pulling a swifty which, if they left it to the usual course, would stink like last week’s leftover smoked fish pie.

The whole process is an egregious assault on democracy, and the resulting law will be a blight on this country for decades to come.
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February 15, 2011 5:30pm
philu

so..the hottest month in new zealand..ever…

do we have any 17%-ers here…?

y’know..!..that hardcore rump of denialists…

the 17% of people who still refuse to accept that humans are causing serious climate-change….

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 5:31pm
bereal

a truely pittiful response from philu @ 4.36
possibly his most purile ever. What do you think DavidR ? Proud of him ? Stand by your man ?
i actually feel sorry for the poor sad sack. Shit, i’m almost embarrased to go on he’s s so weak. Piss weak.
Your sprog would be able to be proud of his dad, right philu. Jeez , the poor sod. Have another go.
Remember?
i called you a bludging loser whose own sprog would be squirming with embarassment when he realises what
a nonce his own father is. Remember ?
Have you got any answer to those damming facts ?
Or, is your best witty reply to refer to someone called ‘Paul Quinn’ whoever that may be ? to prove your, ‘point’
Got any real answer philu you nonce ?
Go for it, you usually have a non answer for every thing.
bereal.
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February 15, 2011 5:32pm
philu

“..Or, is your best witty reply to refer to someone called ‘Paul Quinn’ whoever that may be ? ..”

ouch..!..my one would have hurt…yours’ will have him bleeding….

he’s one of yours….eh..?

you two wd probably get on quite well..

why don’t you ask him for a poli-date…?

go on..!..something beautiful might come out of it….!

..you could bray at each other….

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 5:46pm
wat dabney

“The Central England Temperature record is one of the longest continuous temperature record in the world extending back to the Little Ice age in 1659. December 2010 was the coldest December in 120 years with an average of -0.7C just short of the record of -0.8C recorded in December 1890 and the Second Coldest December Temperature in the entire record (352 years).”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/14/the-met-office-link-buries-the-cet/
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February 15, 2011 5:47pm
nickb

is like reading a list of whose who’s in the world of professional troughing.

Hahaha I was thinking that exact thing this morning, fuck me can you imagine what some of these drongo’s CV’s look like?

e.g.

Senior Policy Analyst at Te Rangi Kawhia O Marama

Maori Responsiveness Coordinator at Ministry of Maori Affairs

Maori Issues Consultant at Nga Tahu

etc etc
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February 15, 2011 6:07pm
big bruv

I wonder when DPF is going to realise that his blog was a far better place when Phool was banned, perhaps it might take an organised bombardment of DPF’s email address for him to appreciate just how much Phools fucks up every single thread.

Phool is not funny, Phool is not smart, Phool never debates an issue and Phool is the major reason nearly every thread ends up wildly off topic.

Phool might be bearable if he had some new material, but alas, it is the same old crap reposted time and time again.

So please DPF, take note of what others have said and please kick his sorry arse off the blog for good.
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February 15, 2011 6:15pm
paws

Mr Farrar(be afraid be very afraid) ban big bruv as he has a fixation on Philu , this shows a dangerous trend in a poster , a threat to you Mr Farrar if you dont obey big bruv and a threat to Philu a great poster, as i say just pass him by if he upsets,whats the problem????
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February 15, 2011 6:23pm
minto57

Malcolm yes it is a form type reply and smelly one at that
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February 15, 2011 6:27pm
side show bob

More evidence that we suffer under the dumbest politicians ever to draw breath. TV One news tonight, first two items. One) The government plans to invest in a fleet of new BMW’s, shit the old ones are 3 years old, poor bastards are slumming it. So much for the fucking belt tightening. Two ) WINZ giving out loans to the stupid so they can get their cars out of the pound. There really isn’t much hope for us, is there.
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February 15, 2011 6:29pm
paws

Watching the news tonight TV1 i can see why us white mother fuckers are going over the ditch to honky AUSTRALIA country,pity im to old.I live in WELLINGTON the capltal of New Zealand,and i see the maori in the dorkland super shitty are taking the council??to court to increase their budget (do they deserve any money ) but the rub is the maori are using (the sweat of my brow) my taxes to sue.As a white motherfucker i dont want dorkland maori to use my Taxes to sue anyone with,damnTROUGHERS
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February 15, 2011 6:34pm
philu

“..Phool is not funny ..”..yes i am..

“.. Phool is not smart …”..yes i am…

“.. Phool never debates an issue..”..yes i do..(c.f. coddington-thread…)

“.. and Phool is the major reason nearly every thread ends up wildly off topic…”…

i usually stick on gd…but c’mon..!…i retaliate to (off-topic) abuse from you..and others all the time….

..(but hey..!..that’s ok….’cos you suckers are just my foils…eh..?)

(what’s that grinding sound i can hear..?..)

“…Phool might be bearable if he had some new material …”

haven’t you heard….?..30+ new stories/links..each and every day…

http://whoar.co.nz/

go wallow..!..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 6:39pm
nickb

The government plans to invest in a fleet of new BMW’s, shit the old ones are 3 years old, poor bastards are slumming it. So much for the fucking belt tightening. Two ) WINZ giving out loans to the stupid so they can get their cars out of the pound. There really isn’t much hope for us, is there.

And then they will bang on about “property tax avoiders” and the like.

No wonder people structure their affairs to avoid tax when they see how the idiots in wellington piss it up against the wall.
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February 15, 2011 6:40pm
paws

NEWS FLASH,hone key opens a BMW dealership specialising in 7 series bemmers , DAMN it hone spend up as if its not your money OPPS you do,hone buy new cars dozens Lexus is better and cheaper but a new car makes you feel better,not that i would know
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February 15, 2011 6:43pm
philu

“..professional troughing…”

speaking of ‘professional troughing.’…

look..!..there’s that parasite-lawyer….!..nicb…

(don’t we all love ‘parasite-lawyers’…eh..?..)

..he is a lackey of rich people…who want to hide their income from the tax man…

(i think he must have had an irony bye-pass…eh..?

..to even bring that ‘professional troughing.’ subject up..eh…?

…seeing as that what he does..in his servant role…as a ‘professional trougher’…

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 6:44pm
bereal

philu @ 5.46
You obviously have no shame at all. No self esteem, no pride, no nothing.
Except your only fan. Nobody.

Nobody gives a shit about your interpretation of question time
Nobody gives a shit about anything you say.
Nobody reads your blog.
Nobody cares your sprog has no role model.
Nobody thinks you are witty.
Nobody cares what your next smart comment may be.
Nobody could teach you anything at school.
Nobody could instill any pride in you.
In fact.
You are a true nonce, the best nonce, punk ever. i pity your poor sprog. What chance has he ?
No chance. Except his mum. And i bet she woke up and took off.
Who has any respect for you ?
Not your mum
Not your dad
Not your sprog
Not your ex partner ?
There is just one person who has any respect for a parasite such as you,
Nobody
LOL
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February 15, 2011 6:47pm
bhudson

the 17% of people who still refuse to accept that humans are causing serious climate-change…

phil, Rump? In statistical analysis 17% is considered statistically significant. Thanks for pointing out that the percentage of the global population skeptical to AGW warrants deep and considered analysis of that position.

A turning point for the warmists!!

(If you open really really wide you might just manage to squeeze the other foot in too)
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February 15, 2011 6:49pm
nickb

Nope phil, nice try, but I get paid for providing my clients a valuable service that saves them a shitload of money from parasites like you.

I don’t see how that is parasitical in itself. More like the opposite.

But then you have always struggled to put a logical thought together, you silly old man.
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February 15, 2011 6:50pm
philu

“..No wonder people structure their affairs to avoid tax..”

see..there he trying to justify the ‘ew!’-role he has…

how he makes his dirty-money…

but he points the finger/preaches like a new convert…

..eh..?

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February 15, 2011 6:50pm
philu

“..Nope phil, nice try, but I get paid for providing my clients a valuable service that saves them a shitload of money from parasites like you..”

no..you are helping them to avoid their fair share of taxes…eh..?

you/they are the true ‘parasites’…

you take from the common-good…

..just to satisfy yr greed…

as i said earlier…national is the party of self-interest/greed..

..so is the natural home..and for those you are servant too…

..eh..?

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February 15, 2011 6:53pm
nickb

Phil your point would only make sense if avoiding/minimising tax was some kind or immoral act or crime.

It isn’t. It should be the duty of every person to pay as little as possible. And apart from naive ideologues like yourself, most of NZ thinks the exact same way. And I would know better than you.
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February 15, 2011 6:53pm
big bruv

If there was a God then nickb is doing his work.

All of us have a duty to pay as little tax as possible, perhaps if we had a government we could trust to do the right thing with our money then things might be different.

Until then we all should make sure that as little of our money as possible makes it’s way to the Phools of this world.
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February 15, 2011 6:54pm
nickb

no..you are helping them to avoid their fair share of taxes…eh..?

you/they are the true ‘parasites’…

Do you think most NZ’ers think that handing over 33% of their hard earned income (plus an extra sixth of everything they buy) only to give to sloths like you and so National can by some shiny new limousines is paying their “fair share”?

More likely they think it is legalised theft.

Most kiwis would jump at the chance to lessen their burdens. You are an idiot if you don’t.
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February 15, 2011 6:55pm
starboard

“TV One news tonight, first two items. One) The government plans to invest in a fleet of new BMW’s, shit the old ones are 3 years old, poor bastards are slumming it. So much for the fucking belt tightening. Two ) WINZ giving out loans to the stupid so they can get their cars out of the pound.”

There should be rioting in the streets over this sort of shit but alas..the sheeple carry onwards…oh for the revolution
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February 15, 2011 6:56pm
starboard

…and WTF do they mean by ” investing ” in a new fleet of beemers…what sort of positive return are they going to give us??
Dumb fucks.
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February 15, 2011 6:58pm
nickb

you take from the common-good…

..just to satisfy yr greed…

If the common good means:

Handing over money to parasites like yourself
Funding an upgrade of a 3 year old BMW fleet
Paying for 120 utterly useless cunts to live the high life in Wellington
Paying for legions of welfare bludgers to breed

Then fuck yes I am taking from the common good, and proud of it.

And anyway, have you read your quote to yourself in light of your own circumstances? I just did, and wet myself at the sheer irony.

Jesus phillip, you are too easy.
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February 15, 2011 6:59pm
bhudson

…avoid their fair share of taxes…eh..?

…they are the true ‘parasites’…

Ah phil, as you freely admit, you choose the life of a beneficiary. That lifestyle choice avoids you paying your fair share of tax. Therefore you are, by your own definition, a ‘true’ parasite.

(Yep. Sure enough, the second foot does fit in.)
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February 15, 2011 7:00pm
Offshore_Kiwi

NickB: “It should be the duty of every person to pay as little as possible” I think it was Lord Demming in the House of Lords that said that some 50 years or so ago? It is just as true today as it was then. Governments are less trustworthy now than they were then, and less deserving of our hard-earned.

Starboard: “baaaaaa”. The sheeple will not start rioting until they are penned in and waiting for the trucks to take them to the abattoirs.
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February 15, 2011 7:00pm
nickb

…and WTF do they mean by ” investing ” in a new fleet of beemers…what sort of positive return are they going to give us??
Dumb fucks.

Fucking oath! haha.

But anyway starboard, stfu and hand over the cash like a good taxpayer. Times are tough for our MP’s, you know
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February 15, 2011 7:00pm
philu

i guess the 3 yr old bmw’s must be nearly worn out…

..maybe they don’t make them like they used to…?

..crap servicing/maintenance…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:00pm
big bruv

So this year in a time of financial difficulty we have seen the bastards give themselves a pay rise and a fleet of new cars.

Utter bastards.
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February 15, 2011 7:01pm
philu

nicb is obviously proud of his parasite-work…

am i inflating yr worth/qualifications..?

are you just a low-level shyster-accountant…?

..a book-fixer..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:04pm
starboard

and remember phoolwhore…when the revolution in NZ comes….you can run but ya cant hide..
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February 15, 2011 7:05pm
nickb

I think it was Lord Demming in the House of Lords that said that some 50 years or so ago?

Wasn’t it a brilliant quote? I think I am going to put it on my wall at work haha.

Although I think the two most famous such quotes were by different judges.

“Every man is entitled if he can to order his affairs so as that the tax attaching under the appropriate Acts is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax.”

By Baron Tomlin

“Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.”

By Judge Learned Hand.

Oh for such judges in New Zealand- instead of the saps in the Court of Appeal that sat on Penny v Hooper. (Ellen France J excluded of course)
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February 15, 2011 7:05pm
nickb

Get off the grass phil, I’m no cardigan-wearer 🙂
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February 15, 2011 7:06pm
bereal

hey philu
See 5.46 you nonce.
Anything to say? Try to respond, youve got plenty to say about everything else. ……..Right………eh ……?
Who gives a shit about a bludging parasite nonces view of the BMWs for eg.
Except your fan,
Nobody.
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February 15, 2011 7:09pm
Offshore_Kiwi

NickB I think the Tomlin quote has been somewhat undermined (at least in NZ) by the revenue authorities ruling that where such an arrangement is made with the sole intention of reducing liability, it constitutes avoidance and is therefore actionable.

The problem we have in New Zealand is the pool of legal talent is about as deep as a carpark puddle. That is why Wilson’s no-mandate move to remove the ability to appeal to the Privy Council, and set up her own coven of Progressive Activists, is such a damaging move for jurisprudence in New Zealand.
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February 15, 2011 7:09pm
philu

gee..star-bored…are you threatening me there…?

what ya gonna do..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:11pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Folks, I have to tell you, it’s fucking funny watching the one-sided conversation y’all are having with the Phool. I RIP’ed him so I don’t get a headache from the explosion of punctuation, but your comments to him, taken without context, are downright fucking hilarious.
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February 15, 2011 7:11pm
philu

“..Get off the grass phil, I’m no cardigan-wearer :),,:

oh..do you get to wear the suit-uniform…?

how individualistic of you..eh..?

stand out from the crowd..do you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:12pm
nickb

Yea I agree OK. Although I think the test now is more “parliament’s intention”.

How exactly one is to ascertain Parliament’s intention no one seems to know, it would be like herding cats at the best of times.

It was ironic that the doctors lost on this point in the court of appeal through their use of trusts, bearing in mind the number of Trusts our parliamentarians have a beneficial interest in. For this reason I find the “parliamentary intention” test a bit ironic 🙂
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February 15, 2011 7:12pm
philu

look..bulletin from the land of rip..!

how is everyone…?

oh..that’s right…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:15pm
big bruv

That is the same RIP that you claim to use Phool…

Is there anything at all that you do not lie about?
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February 15, 2011 7:19pm
philu

y’know..the more that be-real says..

the more i am leaning to it being paul quinn…eh..?

there is that same irrational shouting in both…

it’s too close..

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February 15, 2011 7:22pm
philu

never used rip..me..

i am able to ignore without blinkers…

color me clever..!

eh..?

and the sociopathic-liar accuses others of lying…

brilliant..!..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:24pm
philu

a big brave person like you..eh star-bored…

tough guy..are ya..?

haven’t you heard..?..

..there is always someone tougher…

and hiding/snivelling behind a false name…

makes you a gutless wonder you…eh..?..bubba…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:27pm
Viking2

Sharples says Hide should resign
KATE CHAPMAN
Last updated 16:20 15/02/2011

Two government allies have locked heads over the Auckland Council’s Maori Statutory Board with one calling for the other to resign.

ACT Party leader and Local Government Minister Rodney Hide said it would be up to ratepayers whether the board was value for money.

The reaction to the board’s budget, which was cut to $1.9million from the original proposal of $3.4m, was democracy in action, he said.

“I opposed it of course, in statute it exists to advise the council and to recommend one or two members to a council committee… obviously the council have decided to give it a considerable role

Hide said it was not democratic to give the appointed board members voting rights.

He earlier threatened to quit over the issue of designated Maori seats on the new Auckland Council.

Maori Party co-leader and Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples said if Hide could not accept the councils decision to appoint the board he should stand by his threat to quit.

He said Hide would have to come to terms with the fact the board was not a toothless advisory committee.

“The issues that went to Cabinet were quite clear. I proposed dedicated Maori seats, and Minister Hide threatened to resign if Cabinet supported me…if he cannot accept the decision, Hide should carry out his threat to resign.”

Many of us would agree he should stop supporting this mortally bankrupt Govt.
That and Dunne refusing to vote in the foreshore Bill would be good for everyone. Early election right in the middle of world cup.
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February 15, 2011 7:28pm
starboard

Dont ya just love this…hat-tip Trueblue

“Residents in Surrey and Kent villages have been ordered by police to remove wire mesh from their windows as burglars could be injured.

Home owners in the villages of Tandridge and Tatsfield in Surrey and in Westerham, Brasted and Sundridge in Kent have said they are furious that they are being branded ‘criminals’ for protecting their property.

Locals had reinforced their windows with wire mesh after a series of shed thefts but were told by community police officers that the wire was ‘dangerous’ and could lead to criminals claiming compensation if they ‘hurt themselves”
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February 15, 2011 7:29pm
Viking2

The Key to the Foreshore and Seabed is Peter Dunne. He is the one vote that makes a difference.
Tell him so.
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February 15, 2011 7:33pm
big bruv

“never used rip..me..”

Despite claiming that you did less than a week ago on this very site.

You really are full of shit Phool.
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February 15, 2011 7:42pm
philu

no i didn’t..

yr sociopathic-liar tendencies are showing again…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 7:45pm
Steve

Quite obvious Phool has not started working and paying tax yet. Just spends the day off his tree. As the full moon gets closer Phool is more outrageous.
How many jobs did you apply for today Phool? same as yesterday? same as last year?
You really are a low life parasite
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February 15, 2011 8:16pm
Fletch

Is anyone else having problems with the front page not loading? I thought it was part of a Telecom problem (and it was), but the front page still doesn’t quite load for me. Something to do with the Twitter feed?
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February 15, 2011 8:26pm
Hurf Durf

If you are going to see one good, hard smackdown this week, it’s this: Niall Ferguson totally schools the dense leftards that make up MSNBC’s morning schedule. Behold as Mika and Joe can just sit and gawk while Ferguson destroys their naive take on human nature and politics.

The article it references is here. Apologies for the link to Newsweak’s new web effort. Go for the reasoned dissection of Ebola’s failure to craft an over-arching grand strategy for the Middle East, stay for the proggy retards in the comments section who genuinely claim the twat managed to “play a developing situation masterfully.” No, really.
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February 15, 2011 8:36pm
Manolo

Actually, it is not a bad idea if Hide, the missing-in-action Rodney Hide, resigns from Key’s spineless government and immediately starts taking a stronger position on Labour-lite’s sellout to the racist Maori Party.

What has ACT achieved othe than getting the baubles of power for being Key’s lapdog? Zero.

Hide, and his party, will deserve to lose (and the political oblivion that will follow) if he doesn’t lead decisively on the marine and seabed bill issue.
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February 15, 2011 8:58pm
calendar girl

Fletch, I too am having serious problems with loading the front page of Kiwiblog.

After several frustrating experiences today, I have finally decided that the culprit is the Inland Revenue advertisement that sits above the Kiwiblog masthead. If excessive taxation is such a dead weight on the economy at large, it’s hardly surprising that the presence here of Inland Revenue is enough to stuff the usual efficiency of DPF’s site.
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February 15, 2011 8:59pm
philu

act are toast…

it must be quite depressing for calvert/boscowan/douglas…

knowing their best case scenario is hide just scraping in ..

with them disappearing off the radar screen..

(maybe calvert can go back to her led zep tribute band gig…?..)

..she does look a lot like plant..eh..?..and it’s not just the hair..’

have you seen any recent photos of him..?

..the similarities are striking…)

doiuglas will just trough off for an extended troughing-holiday…

..boscowan will just go back to chewing his fingernails..

(and isn’t that whole super-city thing hide did going well…eh..?

..that should all be quite putrid by election-time…

whither act…?

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 9:10pm
starboard

…the revolution phool…start running loser..
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February 15, 2011 9:15pm
philu

you an act voter there..star-bored..?

it must be really depressing for you ..eh..?

i feel yr anger..i feel yr pain…

do you feel that hide/douglas/and the other ones have let you down…?

..you should…eh..?

remember all the promise..?..all the optimism..?

oh..!..how you dreamed…!…eh..?

..act wd be the ‘big’ third party…

…and wd turn national into yr pussies…eh…?

all you had to do was to get the stupid voters to buy it..

..and you’d be sweet…eh…?

that didn’t work out too well…eh..?

so..bumpy road ahead..eh…?

..i’ve heard rescue remedy can help…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 15, 2011 9:28pm
Falafulu Fisi

Hurf, that’s an excellent interview from Niall Ferguson. Thanx.
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February 15, 2011 9:55pm
Falafulu Fisi

Hurf, I’ve only seen one of Niall Ferguson’s interview last year (I think it was on O’Reilly show), but checking out his other videos on youtube, they’re brilliant. This guy should run for president.
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February 15, 2011 10:05pm
bereal

philu what is it ?
Not able , or not capable ,of answering my abuse of you @ 6.47 today ?
How could anyone, who had anything about them ignore that gross abuse ?
Did you learn to suck it up in the boob you punk ?
That why you have nothing about you ?

Don’t try and pretend you didn’t see it. Anyone with any shred of self esteem would have responded
especially a ——– like you who never misses commenting on any thing on this blog , ever.

We all know you can hand out the smart alec light weight stuff, but……
i might even make an example out of you one day soon darling.
Watch this space.

Spend this weeks bene on ‘rescue remedy,’ you could need it
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February 15, 2011 10:24pm
Rodders

starboard says: “There should be rioting in the streets over this sort of shit but alas..the sheeple carry onwards…oh for the revolution” & “…the revolution phool…start running loser..”

So starboard wants to stage a Beer Hall Putsch? I’m quaking in my boots…not!
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February 15, 2011 10:43pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Manolo (8.58pm) you’re right. ACT should walk from their deal with the Nats.

Let’s look at the way the 2 partners have been treated by this shameless group of Liarbore interlopers pretending to be a National government, shall we?

The Apartheid Party demands a review of the Foreshore & Seabed Act, and gets it. Off the back of that, their “inside man” and paid lapdog Finlayson is ramming through a replacement that will make it a shit-load easier for the racists to get their hands on the foreshore & seabed. In addition, Key has given them concessions in the form of insulation and other beads & blankets as part of getting the Emissions Tax Scam rammed through.

On the other hand, what has ACT got? Part of ACT’s deal was a taskforce to look at how New Zealand could “catch” Australia by 2025. Regardless of whether the idea of “catching” Australia is a silly goal*, the taskforce was implemented and every single one of its recommendations promptly ignored.

About the only good thing to come from the ACT deal was the Three Strikes legislation.

ACT should walk, and walk now. National are fast approaching the point where the sheeple will awake and hold them to account, and ACT will want to be well clear when that happens.

*rather than catch Australia, howzabout you start with a goal to arrest New Zealand’s speed-race to the bottom of the OECD charts?
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February 15, 2011 10:51pm
starboard

hey rodders ( neat name) ..if I want to hear from an arsehole I’ll fart..now run along…
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February 15, 2011 11:19pm
Pete George

About the only good thing to come from the ACT deal was the Three Strikes legislation.

Not a great legacy is it.

ACT should walk, and walk now.

To irrelevance? Oblivion?

If Act want to revive their chances they need to look like they can be a strong coalition support party, not just pandering to a bunch of knee jerks.
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February 16, 2011 7:00am
Manolo

Breathtaking arrogance from an out-of-touch government. English’s defense is pathetic.

When you are running out of money you don’t drink Champagne. It’s better to stick to Lindauer until things improve.

Perception is everything in politics. This is not a wise decision.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10706548

The Government has been criticised for spending millions of dollars on 34 BMW limousines at a time when it is telling people to tighten their belts.

The limos for ministers and VIPs, which cost about $200,000 each, will replace the current fleet, which is three years old. The Government is understood to be getting a discount.

A Department of Internal Affairs spokesman said the new limousines were bought under the terms of a deal signed by Labour in 2007. It included a clause stipulating replacement with new vehicles after three years. That contract expires after another three years and the Crown will go back to the open market for its next fleet.

Finance Minister Bill English last night told One News: “We could go out and buy second-hand cars but one way or another, cars need to be maintained and you have to renew them eventually.”
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February 16, 2011 7:21am
Manolo

The almost invisible Rodney Hide speaks.

Conflict over funding for Auckland Council’s Maori board shows why it should never have been legally required, Local Government Minister Rodney Hide says.

Auckland Council caused controversy by proposing the city’s Maori Statutory Board get $5.4 million over two years.

“My concerns about having this board in statute have been borne out because it is inherently divisive and controversial. I made it very clear that I wouldn’t introduce legislation that would put seats around the council because then those un-elected members would be controlling the budget.

As it stands, the council controls the budget and only elected members are on the council so ultimately the responsibility is with the council.”
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February 16, 2011 7:28am
Manolo

It is not a good idea to invest taxpayer’s money in business ventures with crooks, is it?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4661845/Ministry-defends-wild-horse-job-scheme

A taxpayer-funded job scheme was given more than $30,000 to round up wild horses in the Ureweras only for them to be released back into the mountains.

Most of the horses caught in the six-month scheme were sent back into the wild after a bid to sell them to Maori activist Tame Iti fell through, it was reported last night.

The scheme is one of several under scrutiny as the Government faces questions about its $57.3 million Community Max programme to help young people get work experience and jobs during the recession.

Scheme organiser Richard Tu Marae said the aim was to identify the horses’ owners and look at the potential to sell some to Tuhoe’s Mr Iti. But the sale was called off after he offered only $250 each for 20 of the horses. As a result, 27 were returned to the wild.
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