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Redbaiter

A special post for those gullible uninformed souls who insist that President Obama has produced his “birth certificate.”

http://truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/for-those-who-do-not-know-what-certify-means/
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January 2, 2011 11:15am
Manolo

If you think we have enough laws already, spare a thought for those poor Californians:
http://lamesa.patch.com/articles/there-outta-be-a-law-californians-getting-725-new-ones-in-2011
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January 2, 2011 11:17am
dave

46 year old male celebrity gets name suppression in Auckland . John Campbell is 46, so is Simon Dallow, but its not them. I have no idea who it is but Russell Crowe was also born in 1964.
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January 2, 2011 11:27am
Don the Kiwi

Bit late this morning David.
Must have been an extra long service at your Church/Synagogue/Mosque.

No, hang on, Mosques are for Friday, Synagogues for Saturday.
Maybe it was the Gaia Mother Earth God festival. 😉

[DPF: Or it was my flight landing at midnight]
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January 2, 2011 11:28am
Yvette

Interesting name – Cameron Slater
but, isn’t he just 42?

Apparently it is not –
John Campbell
Simon Dallow
Matthew Ridge
Shane Cortese
Jeremy Corbett
“None is the celebrity in question, who is on holiday and refusing to comment.”
– Sunday Star Times [stuff.co.nz]
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January 2, 2011 11:30am
Jimbob

I hear there is a move to change the law to allow people not born in the USA to become President. People will then forget about Barry being a Kenyan, as they want Arnie to rise to the top.
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January 2, 2011 11:30am
nickb

Michael Laws’ SST article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/opinion/4505801/Maori-abuse-is-our-problem
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January 2, 2011 11:35am
tristanb

A special post for those gullible uninformed souls who insist that President Obama has produced his “birth certificate.”

Are you serious!? What the hell man, why are you still going on about this?! No-one cares!! I didn’t get a GPS for Christmas, but I’m pretty sure that this isn’t the US. Yes, confirmed, the orientation of the stars in the sky last night confirm we are somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere.

Why should we care about some other country’s stupid laws regarding their leader? What do we care about Barrack’s original name? (Barry is a nickname) Who cares about a bunch of retard-Palin worshippers posting/linking to each other’s propaganda.

Do you have autism or something? Attack on the issues if you want, move to Alaska if you want. But you sound like a retard with this “but the burth certithakit, but the burth certithakit” all day. Calm down, and realise that the truth is that you will never accept that Barrack is American, no matter what evidence is shown to you – so stop worrying, as nothing will sate your obsession.

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/kenya/
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January 2, 2011 11:54am
reid

“I am not a birther. I am an enemy of the birthers,” Matthews said. But, he added, “Why doesn’t the president just say, ‘Send me a copy right now?’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say, ‘Let’s just get this crappy story dead?’ Why not do it? … If it exists, why not put it out?”
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January 2, 2011 12:08pm
Redbaiter

“No-one cares!! ”

At least 140 million people in the US doubt Obama’s US origins. Probably a lot more as each day the issue gains more traction.

And you care, or you wouldn’t have written around 200 words on the issue.

And what insanity is it that causes you to believe that before attacking the left on any issue, we must first submit that issue to them for approval? Weak and ignorant and and logically confused, you are a good example of why the left are so completely ascendant in NZ.

With your ignorant bluster, you remind me of the those who so similarly defended the scam of global warming when we first started questioning it.
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January 2, 2011 12:16pm
starboard

John Campbell
Simon Dallow
Matthew Ridge
Shane Cortese
Jeremy Corbett

…sad what passes for a ” celebrity ” in NZ…
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January 2, 2011 12:18pm
Yvette

“On Saturday, Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson was talking to The Associated Press by telephone from his ship when he said the whalers suddenly began blasting one of his group’s inflatable boats with a water cannon.
“They just turned their cannons on our Zodiac,” Watson said. “Right at this moment.”

So these stupid bastards are doing this all again – notable for not learning a single thing, one year to another.
But last year kiwiblog displayed a permit required of the Ady Gil, the conditions of which they obviously contravened.
So is anyone down there now, in waters requiring a similar permit and if so one wonders why such a permit is granted, or are the officials still considering the options open to them for action against last year’s breaking of permit conditions?
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January 2, 2011 12:20pm
reid

…Assange alleged that many senior Arab leaders have close ties to the United States’ CIA spy agency and that several Arab countries had set up torture centers to which Washington could send suspects for questioning.

They certainly have and lots more as well in countries like Uzbekistan. Those were really nasty – boiling alive, literally.

I’d be very happy if this little lot were exposed to public view. Extraordinary Rendition is a war crime and I really hope both Bush and Cheney end up on trial for it in the Hague. They won’t, but I wish they would.

Some have voiced approval of such tactics here in the past on the grounds of fight fire with fire and one understands that motivation. However, I look at it a bit like the British did with their high-level prisoners during WWII. At no time as far as I’m aware were it ever more than a battle of wits. There were no holds barred and lying and deception and bugging and trickery all were undertaken but no physical torture. I’m sure it happened now and then but wasn’t to my knowledge ever official policy. Now WWII was a conflict a gajillion times more immediate and serious than the war on terror. A gajillion times more things were at stake then. And yet the British managed to conduct themselves accordingly in that crisis, so why can’t the US do similar here?

Extraordinary Rendition is yet another illegal and immoral tactic put into place by the execrable neo-con thugs. Just like all their tactics it produces negative results out of proportion to anything positive: i.e. it’s counter-productive when you factor in the damage to the US’ international reputation. We all know its been happening, to have wikileaks prove it will be a revelation only to slack-jawed yokels but the international press will excoriate the US for this. It’s not the US’ fault however – it didn’t ask for Bush and Cheney, who the hell would ever ask to have the services of those two scum?
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January 2, 2011 12:32pm
eszett

Don’t bother, tristanb.
You could hand Red The Linkwhore the original birth certifiicate, he would still insist it’s a fake.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in this world that could ever convince him. It’s the sign of a gullible, uninformed, angry, old man, who cannot accept the truth as soon as it is even slightly inconvenient for him.
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January 2, 2011 12:37pm
reid

I wonder if “the celebrity who’s on holiday and refuses to comment…” has recorded the fact he’s on holiday, on Facebook?
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January 2, 2011 12:40pm
reid

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in this world that could ever convince him.

Maybe not eszett but what would convince me is the long form the authorities have said they have in storage. Why or why has Obama not just said, go ahead and release it? Why doesn’t he do that? It’s simple. One of the sympathetic commenters on that MSNBC link I gave, pretended that maybe he just didn’t have the time. What, since his election, Obama hasn’t had time to lift the phone and give one instruction? So again, why doesn’t he just release the fucking thing. Why not?
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January 2, 2011 12:43pm
Redbaiter

He won’t answer. He’s too busy promoting the lie that the on line form is the Birth Certificate. Too stupid to know that even Obama’s most loyal media supporters like Matthews have been forced to drop that always unsustainable deceit.
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January 2, 2011 12:58pm
TripeWryter

The so-called celebrity was never Simon Dallow. He doesn’t have a wife — well, one who lives with him, and one who would speak for him.

It is sad that the top two names put up are people who in another time might be called journalists or newsreaders.

Also, Mike McRoberts appears to be quoted as a ‘celebrity’.

Isn’t he a reporter or something? On TV? Doesn’t he also decorate the sides and backs of buses?
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January 2, 2011 1:01pm
Manolo

Don’t ask for financial assistance from the government. Just keep peddling your ghastly story to these “intellectual” magazines: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10697497&ref=rss
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January 2, 2011 1:52pm
Kris K

tristanb 11:54 am,

A special post for those gullible uninformed souls who insist that President Obama has produced his “birth certificate.”

Are you serious!? What the hell man, why are you still going on about this?! No-one cares!!

Just because useful idiots like Tristanb (and Eszett) don’t care, I think you’ll find a lot of non-Americans “do care” – I do for one. Are you guys so dense to think that illegitimate government in the US will have no effect on us here in NZ, or anywhere else outside of the US for that matter?!
Stupid is as stupid does!
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January 2, 2011 2:18pm
Redbaiter

America today is where the real battlefield is in the fight for liberty. If America goes down, we all go down. The Tea Party is western civilisation’s only hope to stem the Progressive tide. If Obama and his forces win this desperate fight in America, then all is lost. In Europe and Australia and New Zealand.

Update- The latest survey quoted by WND has 58% of America’s 300 million population now questioning Obama’s origins.
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January 2, 2011 2:34pm
Diziet Sma

US revokes Venezuela ambassador’s visa amid Chavez row

Finally, standing up to this idiot.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12091689

‘The situation had shown signs of improving with the election of Barack Obama, he says; however, President Chavez later declared him to be “a great disappointment” and claimed he had “the same stench as George W Bush”.’
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January 2, 2011 3:45pm
grumpyoldhori

58% of septics have realised Obama is not white, well took the dumb bastards long enough.
So which one of you yanks or would be yanks are going to lead the the charge against the secret service to chuck him and his brood out of the white house ?

No volunteers, no suprise
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January 2, 2011 3:56pm
MyNameIsJack

Diziet, that story cannot possibly true.

Ask redbaiter.

It is from the BBC, a charnel house of socialist misfits and useless idiots, simply regurgitating the party line, not a brain cell among them, the whole lot should be dragged out of their whores’ beds and strung from lamposts, traitors every last one of them.

It ain’t true unless its on FOX and repeated by Russell “There’s a red under my bed’ Baiter.

No, obviously the ambassador still has his visa.
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January 2, 2011 4:00pm
Komata

Re: The David Bain article in the ‘Herald. Mr Bain says he’s broke ‘because of LEGAL FEES’. Legal Fees? And Mr ans mrs ‘Average Kiwi’ thought that the kind, generous ‘I’m in it for justice’ (and I’m a former All Black) Joe Karam was handling the case because he believed that ‘Bain had been wrongly imprisoned – and that he (Karam) was doing it for free!!! Silly us – Mr. Karam is evidently as ‘fee-conscious’ as anyone else.

Am I correct in my assumption – that Mr. Karam has not forsworn his ‘pecuniary entitlement’ for handling the case – despite his protestations to the contrary?

Perhaps one of our lawyer -readers could elucidate for me?
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January 2, 2011 4:06pm
Inventory2

What The Household Name (THN) has allegedly done is hardly a hanging offence. Which of us hasn’t had a couple too many and done something stupid?

What THN has done however is create a story when there wasn’t one. It’s hardly on the same scale as The Comedian, who is alleged to have sexually abused his daughter is it? THN has been badly advised we reckon.
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January 2, 2011 4:08pm
Diziet Sma

WOAH, Thanks MyNameIsJack. I wasn’t aware of these insights. It’s like media providers aren’t impartial sometimes!

Does that mean Obama isn’t a muslim? Does that mean the Jews didn’t cause 9/11??? ?
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January 2, 2011 4:10pm
dad4justice

FFS. I didn’t know kiwiblog had turned into a left wing bat cave. Oh well good luck Red.
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January 2, 2011 4:17pm
Manolo

Laws on Maori child abuse: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4507520/Laws-in-row-over-dead-childs-photo
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January 2, 2011 4:18pm
Yvette

Komata – Am I correct in my assumption – that Mr. Karam has not forsworn his ‘pecuniary entitlement’ for handling the case – despite his protestations to the contrary?

See –
” When Joe Karam first became involved in the David Bain case (c. 1996) he paid for the then legal counsel, Michael Guest, to take the case to the Privy Council in London. In the process he also secured an agreement to a share in the earnings that David Bain might one day earn from the proceeds of the case. (Karam confirms this himself on page 20 of his book David and Goliath). This is an unusual step for someone who is on a crusade for justice.
Karam would have us believe that he has spent a lot of his own money on this case, but it is also evident that he spent a lot of taxpayer money as well, not only during the retrial but also for the Appeals that he undertook. In addition, over the years he has earnt money from legal aid and publishing books. ”
– http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/income
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January 2, 2011 4:49pm
starboard

Laws on Maori child abuse

Good on ya Laws for sticking it to the white liberal do-gooder. Its about time someone stood up and told ’em it how it is. Maori kill their children and they need to be held to account.
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January 2, 2011 4:57pm
grumpyoldhori

Gloating about a dead child Starboard, pretty sick even even for a reich winger.
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January 2, 2011 5:59pm
grumpyoldhori

Manolo so should we show the photos of ALL dead children, or just Maori ?
Should the photo of that lass who was stabed over two hundred times be put on the internet, if not why not ?
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January 2, 2011 6:06pm
starboard

maori beat/murder their children in disproportionate numbers and until people like you acknowledge the problem it will carry on. As a maori , are’nt you embarressed by the stats?
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January 2, 2011 6:20pm
hj

Re laws:
“Sahara’s mother, Chantally Baker. ”

Names like that are predictors of what sort of life your gonna have, according the Freakanomics.
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January 2, 2011 6:22pm
Kris K

I see GrumpyOldHori is at it again – defending the indefensible. Whether it’s Maori violence and child abuse/murder, or the “Chocolate Messiah” and what he and his cronies are doing to the once great U.S.

Do you ever get tired of Leftist propaganda and lies? Or are you simply a fellow traveller who wants to see the demise of the West and the destruction of all that is good and wholesome?
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January 2, 2011 6:24pm
dad4justice

Eh hori should I ask our greedy tribe elder how much they invest in combating the insidious problem of maori child abuse. Jake the Muss was cool eh bro. Yeah right wanker.
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January 2, 2011 6:27pm
starboard

hori , remember the poor wee mite recently whose scalp was partially ripped off and had her toe nail bent back while salt and hot water was poured into the wound…all done by her Mother!! maori did that. Thats just one example. It makes me puke. And you and your ilk blame everyone else. Blame the white man. Blame the moon. Blame the treaty. Why? Why cant you accept the fact that maori are serial abusers and murderers of their own?
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January 2, 2011 6:42pm
reid

Fuckin hell. Bit of balance? Just a bit?

How come we don’t ask the same of pakeha whenever a pakeha commits a horrendous crime? Why is that? How come I never but never have seen a demonstration down any main street ever saying ‘stop pakeha crime?’

Does that mean we all approve of pakeha crime? Of course it does. So I invite you all to Days Bay tomorrow so we can all have a protest and just tell everyone that we don’t really approve of pakeha crime at all, lest anyone think we do, in particular Maori, for we have never ever said that we didn’t approve of it, did we, so they probably think we do, since we criticise them for theirs all the time, but we never ever say anything about our own. Isn’t that silly. So come one, come all, it will be a gay old time had by all.
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January 2, 2011 7:03pm
Kris K

reid 7:03 pm,

Fuckin hell. Bit of balance? Just a bit?

“Balance” – is that what you call it, Reid?
I guess you’re referring to the likes of Clayton Weatherston, and the fact that sooo many of those here pointing out the reality of Maori violent crime figures were busy running to Mr Weatherston’s defense. Oh, that’s right – they weren’t.

I think most of us here are being VERY balanced in light of the statistics, it’s people like you and GOH who are entirely OUT OF balance!!!
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January 2, 2011 7:17pm
MyNameIsJack

Kris K (3,432) Says:

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I see GrumpyOldHori is at it again – defending the indefensible.

Says kiwiblogs own fundifuckingrightwingmendalistxianwarrior – who is forever defending the idefensibility of the myths by which he wants is all to live.

Xmas is over, xians can fuck off.

I don’t see Kris Klux Klan and co taking any action to stem the rising tide of child abuse – just more “blame the niggahs!”
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January 2, 2011 7:18pm
Manolo

Grumpy, your ilk deserves every bit that comes their way until the day Maoridom acknowledges its shortcomings and takes radical steps tp address them.

The child-abuse problem is not confined to Maori, but they do make a disproportionate high percentage. You can deny it until kingdom comes, but that will not stop some Maori children from being murdered at the hands of their so-called “parents”, torturers is more apt.
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January 2, 2011 7:30pm
Komata

Weid

I’m amazed at your insensitivity towards the ‘Rainbow people’ – and you a socialist too!!!! You used the phrase ‘ gay old time’ in a sentence without reference to their ‘sensibilities’and ‘feelings’ The Dears will be absolutely mortified !! How could you be so insensitive!! You’ve highjacked ‘their’ word and as a result you are sure to have offended every one of the homosexual and bi’ absolutely everywhere with your fatuous use of that ‘special’ word (and who knows, they might even know ‘old time’ personally – especially if he is ‘Gay’. . .) Expect a visit from Delahunty, McCartney, Chavez and all the other ‘dears’ to protest against your protest. They’ll be SSSOOO angry at your incorrect useage of ‘the word’ (And no doubt Locke and Minto will also be there – ‘for solidarity with the cause’). Thought you might like to know. . .
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January 2, 2011 7:36pm
starboard

Kahu twins

Nia Glassie

Sahara Baker-Koro

James Whakarehu ( apologies for the spelling )

Just five I can recall off the top of my head..now show me the names of 5 white children beaten/maimed/murdered by their white parents. C’mon..Im waiting.
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January 2, 2011 7:36pm
Ryan Sproull

maori beat/murder their children in disproportionate numbers and until people like you acknowledge the problem it will carry on. As a maori , are’nt you embarressed by the stats?

Ugh. Claiming that one person should feel responsible for the actions of OTHER people? It’s socialists like you who are undermining individual responsibility. As a fellow Pakeha, I feel embarrassed by your words.
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January 2, 2011 7:36pm
Kris K

MyNameIsLegion 7:18 pm,

Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

I trust you (and the many who reside in you) had a very Merry Christmas, Jack.
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January 2, 2011 7:36pm
MyNameIsJack

starboard, I reckon there’s quite a feew white kids listed here http://www.myth-one.com/memorial.htm, and it seems by xian parents.

Here’s anotehr 200+ white kids killed by their parents. Must be true, found it on a xian website trying to prove their god is big and important all the while exhorting poarents to murder kiddies.

http://www.spcs.org.nz/2006/swedish-parents-kill-258-of-their-children-1965-1999/
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January 2, 2011 7:42pm
Manolo

The pathetic Herald wants to play do-gooder and social engineer: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10697410&ref=rss
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January 2, 2011 7:46pm
Kris K

Ryan Sproull 7:36 pm,

Ugh. Claiming that one person should feel responsible for the actions of OTHER people?

Well someone’s got to, Ryan, the individuals concerned certainly aren’t, and neither is wider Maoridom. As long as people continue to excuse this kind of ‘behaviour’, and deny the reality of Maori violence, abuse, and murder, then nothing will change, and these statistics will only get worse.

Those who deny the reality condone these abuses/murders. And rather than being part of the solution, they become part of the problem. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem, Ryan?
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January 2, 2011 7:48pm
mikeysmokes

So is Kris K the godbotherer responsible for all the kiddies molested by christian priests???
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January 2, 2011 7:49pm
Kris K

Secularists, like Mickey, just can’t help themselves, can they?
When you take responsibility for your mates like Stalin, then I’ll give serious consideration to your ‘question’.
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January 2, 2011 7:59pm
mikeysmokes

I thought as much. Your full of shit. Your argument is stupid and full of shit.
If one Maori who has never abused their kids or even committed a crime can be held responsible for the actions of other people then why cant you be put under the same spotlight??
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January 2, 2011 8:03pm
Ryan Sproull

Well someone’s got to, Ryan, the individuals concerned certainly aren’t, and neither is wider Maoridom.

Surely the individuals concerned are the only people who should be taking responsibility for the deeds concerned.

As long as people continue to excuse this kind of ‘behaviour’, and deny the reality of Maori violence, abuse, and murder, then nothing will change, and these statistics will only get worse.

Those who deny the reality condone these abuses/murders. And rather than being part of the solution, they become part of the problem. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem, Ryan?

I don’t condone violence, abuse and murder, if that’s what you’re asking. Can you give me an example of someone who does?
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January 2, 2011 8:07pm
Kris K

Mickey – just another ‘denier’ and excuser of many who make up the “brown stain” of NZ society.

And I say that as someone who is part Maori. Time to pull your head out of your arse and face reality, mate – or have you got used to the “brown interior”?
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January 2, 2011 8:12pm
reid

Just five I can recall off the top of my head..now show me the names of 5 white children beaten/maimed/murdered by their white parents. C’mon..Im waiting.

Woosh, starboard. My point over your head, I mean. Sorry, I thought I’d better spell it out lest, you know…

But I then glance up and see Kris is still continuing your line of argument. OK. So what’s your analysis as to why precisely Maori people are higher in these particular stats. Why do you think that is? Seriously. I have my theory. What’s yours?
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January 2, 2011 8:15pm
Kris K

There’s a difference between “taking responsibility” and ‘denying reality’, Ryan. I trust you’re not another one who denies the reality? Facing reality is the first step to solving the problem. Denying it simply perpetuates it and allows it to continue or escalate. As I said before, I hope you’re part of the solution, Ryan.
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January 2, 2011 8:21pm
mikeysmokes

I havent denied or excused anything, and how do you know I’m a secularist?
By your own argument its you who are responsible not me, I’m not a Maori. What a bloody stupid argument
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January 2, 2011 8:22pm
reid

I hope you’re part of the solution, Ryan.

Crikey so do I Kris but you can’t be part of the solution till you fully understand the actual not imaginary nature of the real problem as it in fact is. So what’s your theory for the stats as they exist amongst Maori. Why are they what they are?
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January 2, 2011 8:27pm
Kris K

mikeysmokes 8:22 pm,

… and how do you know I’m a secularist?

How about your earlier comment:
“So is Kris K the godbotherer responsible for all the kiddies molested by christian priests???”

Anyway, it’s pointless debating with the average Kiwiblog halfwit – I’m outa here.
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January 2, 2011 8:31pm
Ryan Sproull

There’s a difference between “taking responsibility” and ‘denying reality’, Ryan.

Sure thing. But you’re the one claiming that “Maoridom” should be taking responsibility for the actions of individual Maori people. Where I come from, people have to take responsibility for their own actions, not for other people’s.

As has been pointed out, you shouldn’t be taking responsibility for the actions of Eddie Long because you’re Christian like he is. In the same way, no one should be taking responsibility for child abuse except the child abusers themselves.

Right?
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January 2, 2011 8:32pm
Pete George

Facing reality is the first step to solving the problem.

That’s a bit vague, of course there’s really a problem (across society but more so amongst some Maori) – but what’s the next step to solving it? Promoting any sort of violence, like political violence, is not really helping Kris, that sounds like part of the problem too.
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January 2, 2011 8:32pm
mikeysmokes

See his argument was fuck all of nothing and then he claims he is part maori which by his own silly argument makes him partly responsible.
What a dumbarse
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January 2, 2011 8:36pm
Kris K

reid 8:27 pm,

So what’s your theory for the stats as they exist amongst Maori. Why are they what they are?

Good grief, Reid – if you haven’t worked it out yet I’m not going to waste both of our time trying to explain it to you.
Good night!
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January 2, 2011 8:36pm
reid

Oh dear Kris, I didn’t mean to imply I’m thicker than a whale omelet, it’s just I truly don’t understand why you believe what you do. It’s quite plain what you believe, but not the why, you see…

…as in, I know what you believe about Maori stats on this issue, I just don’t know why more specifically how you believe this has arisen? What has caused this? Specifically? As I said, I have my theory, what’s yours?

BTW, we’re still on hols, you can stay up a bit longer, it’s probably OK.
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January 2, 2011 8:38pm
Socrates Wife

Kris K, this post is for you.

If you are truly a christian as you claim, I’m asking you to please look over the words you have written and ask yourself if you are ‘speaking the truth in love’. Idiotic insults and foul language may be the choice of some, but as a christian, you have chosen to follow a higher standard, and if you continue to label yourself as such you will be judged by that same standard.

it is your duty to love your enemies, and your posts contain no observable love, they seem to contain anger and bitterness. Please re-think your words, and choose them carefully. Who knows who may read your words and turn away from the truth you claim to represent?
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January 2, 2011 8:56pm
Hurf Durf

Alright, proggy scummers, how’s this for a general debate: the year old chocolate coins I found at the back of the fridge. Should I eat them? Open to all, even to MyNameIsJackOff.
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January 2, 2011 9:02pm
Pete George

You’ve said that well Socrates Wife. But don’t hope too much for it to sink in, Kris doesn’t listen well, he seems to believe he’s already sewn up God’s supreme approval.
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January 2, 2011 9:04pm
reid

…he seems to believe he’s already sewn up G-d’s supreme approval.

No-one ever thinks that, Pete or if they ever do, they’re a fool. It’s called The Fear of G-d for a reason.
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January 2, 2011 9:14pm
jcuknz

The Tea Party is western civilisation’s only hope to stem the Progressive tide……You are a real comedian RB … LOL

Laws on Maori child abuse ….On TV-3 tonight somebody told us that just as many white folks kill their children. But the fly in that statement is that there are only 20% Maori so as a proportion of their numbers ….. But then since there are few pure Maori maybe that argument is flawed. Maybe it is the white genes coupled with poverty and lack of education that is the problem.
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January 2, 2011 9:20pm
reid

Maybe it is the white genes coupled with poverty and lack of education that is the problem.

Personally I think it’s the warrior genes having to adjust to the sedentary white lifestyle that’s the actual problem.

Poverty as anyone knows is a correlative not a causal factor and lack of education the same. So it has to be something else. So what is it.

Have you ever noticed that all Maoris fight all the time? It’s true. Not physically but mentally, all the time. You look at an average family. They’re always big, and you can guarantee at least one of the siblings will be fighting with another any given day any part of the year and it keeps going like that, all the time, with different sets of siblings swapping in and out as time goes by. Sure other families do it sometimes, we all do but Maori families seem to do it all the time. You can see it in their tribal relationships and in their governmental relationships as well, same thing, infighting, all the time. They’re warriors. Ever wondered why there are so many Fijian SAS troops? How many Maori SAS do you think there are? See any similarities. Now, if you were of that caste albeit several generations ago but its in your DNA, how would you feel, about working in an office or a factory?
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January 2, 2011 9:40pm
Socrates Wife

Out of curiosity Reid, who do you define as a Maori?

As to your comment, I personally have observed some of my friends who have some Maori ancestry in very happy harmonious relationships with their family. Of course, some with Maori ancestry come from broken homes and are at odds with their family, but that is so with my friends who have different ancestry as well.

My personal observation is: The better the parents were at communicating constructively with each-other and their children, the better the whole family got along, this seems to be the rule no matter what people group or socio-economic background. Not that I am saying their are not differences between different people groups, but this is not one I myself have noticed.

I have however noticed the amount of poor communication (never mentioning stressful topics, never confronting, gossiping etc) in my mother’s family, who are NZ European. That is the most notable poor communication I have noticed – holding everything in.
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January 2, 2011 9:51pm
reid

Socrates Wife, those who define themselves as Maori.

As to your comment, I understand what you’re saying, however my theory is addressed to the types of families within which arise the events which began this thread, which possibly aren’t quite the same families as those you’re discussing.
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January 2, 2011 9:54pm
Socrates Wife

Reid: point taken, and you have given me food for thought. I will say goodnight and go nom on it 😛
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January 2, 2011 10:06pm
Redbaiter

“please re-think your words, and choose them carefully.”

You’re kidding me right? With the filth that flows on this forum from the minds of scum like MNIJ and other incoherent cowards on the left, you single out Kris for a lecture? Good grief.

Hey Reid, I put a special FOX News Graphic up just for you.
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January 2, 2011 10:07pm
Ryan Sproull

I don’t think those people claim to be Christian, Red. That’s why she’s talking to Kris.
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January 2, 2011 10:10pm
Redbaiter

What difference does that make? They claim to be humans don’t they?
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January 2, 2011 10:15pm
Ryan Sproull

Hmmm. Fair point.
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January 2, 2011 10:24pm
reid

Hey Reid, I put a special FOX News Graphic up just for you.

You mean this one RB?

Er. Thanks?

P.S. I still think Fox is watched only by real mentals and believed only by the lowest 0.010% of said real mental total population. This is fairly firm according to all my data over the years – margin of error 0.037 and I’m currently putting the final touches to my paper before releasing it for publication. Let me know if you want a copy.
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January 2, 2011 10:31pm
Redbaiter

You don’t have FOX do you Reid. You’re going on what you’ve read again right?

“Hmmm. Fair point.”

Damn right its a fair point. Perhaps unfair in its implication for animals, who even then would have to be suffering from some kind of mental disease to be as twisted as those people.
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January 2, 2011 10:44pm
RobbieBlack

I think Mike Laws must have a death wish, either that or balls of steel.

He does have a point but probably went a bit overboard this time.
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January 2, 2011 11:04pm
reid

RB I watch Fox all the time, but I must admit some research data came from here and also from here.

It really does show complete mentals as a proportion of total real mentals being around about 0.010% – it’s quite fascinating.
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January 2, 2011 11:05pm
Dazzaman

FFS. I didn’t know kiwiblog had turned into a left wing bat cave. Oh well good luck Red.

Yep, us righties seem to be getting few & far between! Or maybe we’re just on holiday…
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January 2, 2011 11:11pm
Redbaiter

You’re kidding me right Reid? People For The American Way? FFS..!!

# 2004: $10,000 Total – $10,000 (100%) to Democrats $0 (0%) to Republicans.
# 2002: $154,700 Total – $154,700 (100%) to Democrats $0 (0%) to Republicans.
# 2000: $174,776 Total – $172,276 (99%) to Democrats $2,500 (1%) to Republicans.
# 1998: $139,235 Total – $138,235 (99%) to Democrats $1,000 (1%) to Republicans.
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January 2, 2011 11:17pm
reid

Indeed I was RB, you got me. I was, in fact, kidding you.

Crikey.

Those are the numbers are they?

Crikey.

Looks pretty….

Crikey.

I agree RB. No doubt about it.

BTW, I still think Fox viewers are really mental
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January 2, 2011 11:26pm
Dazzaman

As has been pointed out, you shouldn’t be taking responsibility for the actions of Eddie Long because you’re Christian like he is. In the same way, no one should be taking responsibility for child abuse except the child abusers themselves.

Hear, hear!

Socrates Wife, good attempt redefining the rules as pertains to Christians….remind me what they were again? Yeah, yeah……

Pfffffffftttttt!!!!
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January 2, 2011 11:31pm
reid

What are you talking about Dazzaman?
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January 2, 2011 11:35pm
Dazzaman

Aaarrgh, Early hit on the submit button…..gotta hate that. Must be time to go to bed, lol.
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