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Say Goodbye to Hollywood

After scrolling through yesterdays General Debate I have to question the logic in allowing Phil u back in here. Hey, it’s your blog David, but seriously the term FUBAR comes to mind when seeing what a mess it became.

Oh, and first…
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January 25, 2011 8:09am
Dave Mann

I hope they find the bastard who burned that poor Indian woman alive last week. And all this talk of ‘honour killing’ just shows how ignorant our media is. For my money it wasn’t ‘cultural’. It was a horrific murder and why does the whole Indian race have to be stained with the slur and innuendo that this post of thing is in their ‘culture’?
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January 25, 2011 8:11am
philu

proof that during his second term…that reagan was well down the alzheimers-road…

http://whoar.co.nz/2011/how-cose-did-lesley-stahl-come-to-reporting-reagan-had-alzheimers-while-in-office-very-close/

“…But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity – according to Lesley Stahl.

In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986.

Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent – and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president.

As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.”

Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction.

When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse –

– and Stahl immediately began to fret:

Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin.

I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated.

Larry introduced us, but he had to shout.

Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was.

He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes – and shook my hand weakly.

Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought.

I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet.

My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script.

But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.

Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy –

– but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president.

I wasn’t above a little massaging.

Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him?

Guess so.

His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction.

After Stahl mentioned that her husband, Aaron Latham, was a screenwriter, Reagan became animated –

– and pulled Latham to a couch to discuss a movie idea he had for a film in which he could star.

Stahl recalls she was “too astonished to move.”

A few minutes later, the session was over.

Reagan was now beaming, and after Stahl and her family left the Oval Office –

– Reagan chased after them and told her daughter, “I worked for your mother, too.”

In her book, Stahl noted that she “had come that close to reporting that Reagan was senile.

I had every intention of telling the American people what I had observed in the Oval Office.”

But she didn’t.

This week, I asked her why not.

In an email, she replied…” (cont..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 25, 2011 8:13am
Murray

Speak of the drug fucked wreck.

[DPF: 10 demerits]
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January 25, 2011 8:16am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Well, that didn’t take long.
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January 25, 2011 8:20am
AlphaKiwi

@ Dave Mann

Whether it’s an honour killing or not, it’s very sad. But I want to talk about the way the new media handeled it last night on TV.

I watched TV 3 last night and could sense them frothing with excitement that this could possibly be NZ’s first honour killing. The police were saying that at this stage they didn’t know what the motive was. TV3 on the other hand said they have reason to believe that it may in fact be an honour killing. They did that for one reason. Ratings! They couldn’t be bothered waiting for all the facts to come out before reporting the facts. They just rushed in and speculated. They have sold their soul and have become unprofessional are no longer worthy of being called a news program.

Notice how more and more news seems to be becoming editorialised? I don’t need to hear opinions all the time, but it must boost ratings otherwise they wouldn’t do it.

Did anyone see TV1 or Prime’s reporting of the inceident? Did they imply that it was an honour killing too?

Isn’t it better to wait until the facts are confirmed as to whether it’s an honour killing or just a vicious murder?
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January 25, 2011 8:21am
Murray

Similar Alpha. Their tenous claim to justification is the tradition of suttee which hardly holds water since she wasn’t a widow.
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January 25, 2011 8:27am
Pete George

I’d have thought honour would be the last thing involved killing someone like that. Dishonourable reporting.
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January 25, 2011 8:33am
Inventory2

How ironic; Philip Ure rattles on about addled brains…

Just saying..

..eh..?
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January 25, 2011 8:34am
Murray

er… what
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blerk blerk

ha ha …
eh..
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January 25, 2011 8:37am
Mr Robert Black

Ratana:

“Pita Sharples says his party is the last chance Maori have for an independant voice in government.”

Why exactly do we have entrenched Maori seats?

I mean it just seemed odd to see Pita Sharples saying that.

Isn’t that so defeatest and probably not true anyway?

If a candidate is good enough, popular enough, they will be voted in regardless of race. You can see that with Asian politicians.

Legally, why do we have automatic Maori seats? Making us not a true democracy?

Is is the Treaty or the constitution? I guess it is from the constitution but does it link back to a clause in the Treaty?

It’s not that I am dumb (well maybe it is) I probably knew back in legal history 101 but I have never really put my attention to the actual legal basis for it.

Can someone kind put it in clear terms?

Cheers.
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January 25, 2011 8:38am
philu

aah..!…murray is having a stream of consciousness…

..is that it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 25, 2011 8:43am
Ryan Sproull

Philu doesn’t need to be banned. He’s not breaking any of DPF’s rules. If you don’t want to read his posts, install RIP and ignore him.
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January 25, 2011 8:43am
Michaels

New Lynn Community Centre….. Hmmmmm Not quite a Rotary Club, or a Lions Club, or the Sky City now is it….
However I’m sure Phil will get a wonderful crowd…..
A wonderful crowd of pensioners with no bingo on a Tuesday afternoon 🙂

Go for the top Phil and keep climbing.
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January 25, 2011 8:48am
Dave Mann

Good points Mr Robert. As Michael Laws pointed out the other day, the Maoris are not denied anything democracywise at all…. there are more Maori MPs from the National alone than from the Maori party. Gee we really tread on them poor indigenous people don’t we? Maybe there should be a UN investigation…. oh wait…
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January 25, 2011 8:48am
Inventory2

Labour’s election year strategy was unveiled on Breakfast this morning:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/01/if-you-cant-beat-em.html
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January 25, 2011 8:54am
Diziet Sma

Telecom’s customer data open to ex staff

Former employees have questioned Telecom’s security policies and one can still look up customer details despite having left his job two months ago.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10701805
Gee that’s reassuring.
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January 25, 2011 8:58am
Lance

Every man needs an office

Bruu ha ha ha

http://gizmodo.com/5741712/this-must-be-the-craziest-computer-den-in-america
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January 25, 2011 9:06am
iMP

Re Maori Seats…
NZ’s second largest city – Christchurch – its 2nd largest ethnic population by a long stretch is Asian…no dedicated electorate seats based on race here.

1990s: dozens of candidates (some Maori) unelected with ca. 9000 votes.
Parekura Horomia elected with 7000 votes in a seat encompassing whole of Sth Is., and 1/4 of North.

Democracy?
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January 25, 2011 9:13am
dime

Was listening to ZB this morning while I brushed my teeth… Apparently Goof ball is giving his state of the nation today. In New Lynn of course, cause the multi millionaire is down with the westies….

He is going to reveal his plan for a “FAIR” tax system! One where poor people get more money!

What tax rate are they paying now? about 15% max??

I hate the left with all my heart.
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January 25, 2011 9:34am
MT_Tinman

Inventory2 (5,644) Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 8:34 am
How ironic; Philip Ure rattles on about addled brains…

Just saying..

..eh..?

You read that?
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January 25, 2011 9:39am
Pete George

What tax rate are they paying now? about 15% max??

Apparently someone earning $50k with two kids effectively pays 0% PAYE + WFF
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January 25, 2011 9:42am
dime

Pete – ya fucking with me? lol

so whats labours plan for that? they get to keep every cent they earn AND get a bigger hand out!? arghhhhh
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January 25, 2011 9:55am
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/4576789/McDonalds-may-raise-prices-as-food-costs-rise

I am not one for conspiracy theories but at all but why every week do we have a negative article about McDonald’s?

All veges are through the roof at the moment but we don’t have an article having a crack at Turners and Growers, it just seems strange
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January 25, 2011 9:55am
Manolo

If this doesn’t constitute buying the votes of the racists, wat does? Obscene waste of taxpayers’ money.

A new initiative to repair and insulate houses in Ratana township will significantly improve the quality of life for residents, and act as a showcase for the benefits of energy efficiency initiatives for other Maori communities.

The project, announced today by Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee, Minister of Maori Affairs Dr Pita Sharples, and Housing Minister Phil Heatley, allocates $2.7 million to provide basic essential repairs, insulation and efficient heating for around 100 homes.

Dr Sharples said Ratana was a place of great spiritual significance to many in Maoridom.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/ratana-receive-essential-repairs-and-upgrades
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January 25, 2011 10:07am
Kris K

AlphaKiwi 8:21 am,

Isn’t it better to wait until the facts are confirmed as to whether it’s an honour killing or just a vicious murder?

In my opinion ALL “honour killing[s]” ARE “vicious murder[s]”.
I must admit that when I first heard of this burning alive of this poor woman, and before the nationality or names were revealed, I immediately thought this was likely an honour killing by someone probably from the Indian sub-continent or similar. Funny how one’s gut feelings often turn out to be correct.

Just another example of how MULTICULTURALISM is a dismal failure in the West, and how those especially recent immigrants refuse to intergrate and embrace Western Judeo-Christian cultural values and mores.
Expect to see more of this sort of thing as uncontrolled immigration is permitted to continue, and accelerates, from “backward cultures” into the West.
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January 25, 2011 10:12am
Viking2

Cabinet agenda under wraps

Tuesday, 25, Jan, 2011 6:37AM

The agenda of the first cabinet of the year is being kept tightly under wraps by the Prime Minister.

The holiday period is over and all ministers will report back to the Beehive this morning.

John Key says it’ll be about running through some papers and reporting back on some issues.

“It’s not a huge agenda,” he says. “There’s a number of papers that we’re looking at. Some of the bigger issues like Afghanistan and the role of the SAS and whether they stay longer won’t be decided, nor will the minimum wage, but they’ll come to cabinet in the very near future.”

Also off the agenda today is the name of the new Governor-General.

Now it raises the question as to why the Cabinet agenda is secret.
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January 25, 2011 10:19am
Kris K

European Parliament calls for more protection of Christians
The European Parliament has urged governments to do more to protect Christians from persecution. It said in a resolution addressed to EU institutions: “In some cases, the situation facing Christian communities is such as to endanger their future existence – if they were to disappear, this would entail the loss of a significant part of the religious heritage of the countries concerned. “We call on the [European] Council, the Commission and High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy … to pay increased attention to the subject of freedom of religion or belief and to the situation of religious minorities.

Hat tip: TrueblueNZ

Notice that nowhere in the article do the words “Islam” or “Muslim” appear.
Until the EU, and the West in general, recognise that this is “A Muslim Problem” then such statements encouraging “governments to do more to protect Christians from persecution” are little more than meaningless platitudes!!!
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January 25, 2011 10:21am
Inventory2

MT_Tinman asks

You read that?

Not past the first line; I just found it ironic that Phil was launching a lengthy rant about someone losing his marbles. Perhaps he has a mirror near his keyboard …
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January 25, 2011 10:24am
Viking2

Here ya go Phil. Time to move

Marijuana soft drinks launched
Last updated 10:16 25/01/2011

A California entrepreneur has plans to market a line medical marijuana soft drinks.

Clay Butler says he plans to supply medical marijuana dispensaries with his soda pot, which contains the psychoactive marijuana ingredient THC, according to the Santa Cruz Sentinel newspaper.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/4577371/Marijuana-soft-drinks-launched
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January 25, 2011 10:25am
malcolm

@Kris

Just another example of how MULTICULTURALISM is a dismal failure in the West

How low would the Indian-sub-continent-immigrant murdering rate have to be for you not to consider it an example of the dismal failure of multiculturalism?
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January 25, 2011 10:28am
Manolo

The Messiah’s former enforcer gets booted out of Chicago’s mayoral race.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48061.html
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January 25, 2011 10:32am
Morgy

Viking @ 10:19

“Now it raises the question as to why the Cabinet agenda is secret.”

Does it?
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January 25, 2011 10:37am
Offshore_Kiwi

DPF, I can’t complete your current poll. You ask how we rate John Hatfield as an MP, and one of the options for answer isn’t “He’s a racist scumbag. A total dickhead who has no place in the Parliament.” I would say he’s a brown muthafucka, but you’d demerit me for that.
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January 25, 2011 10:55am
Pete George

I was just quoting the $50k nil tax from something I read from memory. Here are calculations from IRD.

Earning $50,000 pa, 961.54 per week, PAYE (M) $173.84

WFF credit:
1 child 0-12 $97.00
2 children 0-12 $158.00
2 children 13-15 $167.00
2 children 16-18 $202.00
3 children 0-12 $219.00

There are obviously many variations on ages but this gives a good indication of nett PAYE/WFF
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January 25, 2011 11:13am
philu

yes viking..i posted that story on whoar…at 4.38 am…(i had a real early start..)

..i also found an interesting one on the the new entrpreneurs of pot..in california…

…15,000 square feet shops/facilities de riguer…..

..whoar..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 25, 2011 11:15am
Redbaiter

BREAKING NEWS

Hawaii Governor admits no Obama Birth Certificate
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January 25, 2011 12:16pm
RRM

BREAKING NEWS

link whore admits to link whoring
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January 25, 2011 12:24pm
redeye

Breaking New!!!.

Hand Made Tin Foil hats prevent alien abduction!.
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January 25, 2011 12:27pm
Viking2

# Morgy (14) Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am

Viking @ 10:19

“Now it raises the question as to why the Cabinet agenda is secret.”

Does it?

Well yes. For example it was mooted that the socialists would be considering raising our minimum wage rates today. Now who the fuck asked them to interfere in our commerce and why should we not know about it until it is enforced upon us?

Running our businesses by Cabinet is not what we are all in business for. If they want to do that they might like to put up the capital, generate the new idea’s that have to pay for all this, in fact just buy me out and I’ll fuck off to where I can go about business without their constant interference. Bad enough they force me to provide them with unearned income to support their favourite socialist agenda without them telling me what I should pay to get work done. Unfortunatley their little club has managed to ensure their pay is well protected. How about they ask us what they should earn.
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January 25, 2011 12:42pm
Lucia Maria

Kris,

Notice that nowhere in the article do the words “Islam” or “Muslim” appear.
Until the EU, and the West in general, recognise that this is “A Muslim Problem” then such statements encouraging “governments to do more to protect Christians from persecution” are little more than meaningless platitudes!!!

This is not just a Muslim problem, though in all Muslim countries Christians face persecution to varying degrees. Think of North Korea, where Christians are killed for being Christian by the Communist authorities, and Vietnam where the government wants to wipe out those Christians who refuse to join the state church, or persecution by Hindus in India and Buddhists (not sure where, I’ll have to look up the references for that, can’t remember off the top of my head).

Having the EU publicly mention the persecution of Christians in general is huge step. It’s quite incredible, in fact. Looks like old Christendom might be stirring.

For more : Christianity arguably the most persecuted religion in the world
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January 25, 2011 12:45pm
Kris K

Lucia Maria 12:45 pm,

This is not just a Muslim problem, though in all Muslim countries Christians face persecution to varying degrees. Think of North Korea, where Christians are killed for being Christian by the Communist authorities …

While what you say is correct, the article I referenced to in my 10:21 am comment is speaking in an European context:

The European Parliament has urged governments to do more to protect Christians from persecution. It said in a resolution addressed to EU institutions: “In some cases, the situation facing Christian communities is such as to endanger their future existence – if they were to disappear, this would entail the loss of a significant part of the religious heritage of the countries concerned.

… and in that context, “This is a Muslim problem” – which was my original point.
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January 25, 2011 1:07pm
Pete George

Looks like old Christendom might be stirring.

…killed for chewing Bible, say police, hung from a tree then burned…

Fortunately most Christians have evolved from their most persecuting habits. Now they’re more likely to claim victimhood.
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January 25, 2011 1:09pm
minto57

So who speaks for democracy iin the National Party, do we have any South Africans who might be able to point out the finer points like one vote,why apartheid is cul de sac and yes I do live Epsom and if the John Key loses will he go home to Hawaiii
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January 25, 2011 1:13pm
dad4justice

petey gal – the idiot that brought the psychotic killing machine pit bull into New Zealand should be hung from a tree!
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January 25, 2011 1:15pm
Lucia Maria

Pete,

The US is not old Christendom. And we are talking about a dog, not a human being. The woman is obviously mad.

Fortunately most Christians have evolved from their most persecuting habits. Now they’re more likely to claim victimhood.

Last year 150,000 Christians were killed worldwide for their belief in Jesus.

But yeah, we are just claiming victimhood, it’s not based on anything substantial …

Christians were “harassed” by government factors in 102 countries and by social factors, such as mob rule, in 101 countries.

“Altogether, Christians faced some form of harassment in two-thirds of all countries,” or 133 nations, the report said. Muslims also face “substantial” harassment, the Pew report found, but in fewer countries.

Christians face harassment in more countries “than any other religious group,” a Pew Forum spokesperson told the Star.

Put in sharper focus, “at least” 75 per cent of all religious persecution in the world is directed against Christians, the conference was told.

I also note that in the news today in Timaru, an Anglican church was broken into through a nearly 100-year old stained glass window, and communion wafers were stolen.
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January 25, 2011 1:16pm
andrei

It was only a dog Pete George unlike the thirty five dead at Domodedovo Airport today – or the Coptic Christians blown up on New years eve in Alexandria.
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January 25, 2011 1:21pm
stephen

…communion wafers were stolen.

Is that less baffling than it sounds? Hardly irreplaceable, one would think.
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January 25, 2011 1:21pm
adze

I look forward to the day when hate crimes will be judged as such irrespective of the “group” they target… and the “group” that committed it.
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January 25, 2011 1:25pm
Lance

@ Pete
why did you make that comment at 1:09pm?

It was mean spirited and mocking using a completely pathetic one off example to dismiss the thousands suffering.

You really have sunk very low.
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January 25, 2011 1:26pm
redeye

petey gal – the idiot that brought the psychotic killing machine pit bull into New Zealand should be hung from a tree!

I guess we can add canine behaviour to your list of ignorances.
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January 25, 2011 1:38pm
MyNameIsJack

…communion wafers were stolen…

Before or after becoming the “body of christ”?

Timaru police are on the look out for a cannibal gang.
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January 25, 2011 1:43pm
Lance

Labour has just announced their tax proposal

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10701894
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January 25, 2011 1:49pm
Morgy

NEWSFLASH: Labour to raise top tax rate! The Super Wines wouldn’t have had a chance to get soggy in their cup of tea when the shadow cabinet came up with that doozy!
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January 25, 2011 1:52pm
Pete George

Lucia Marie saw the point I was making: “The woman is obviously mad.”

Mad and bad people do mad and bad things. Christians. Muslims. Fijian Indians. Atheists.

Actually, I don’t recall seeing any reports of “mad atheist blames crappy behaviour on not having religious beliefs”.
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January 25, 2011 1:53pm
Pete George

Mr Goff said ‘rebalancing’ the tax system would ensure everybody paid their fair share.

How could that be, when already many don’t pay anything, or anything like “their fair share”?

“It’s a tax plan that benefits everyone, not like John Key’s tax switch which gave the wealthy few a windfall while low and middle-income New Zealanders were forgotten.”

A patently false statement.
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January 25, 2011 1:58pm
andrei

The Tuscon shooter is an Atheist – Pete George
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January 25, 2011 2:00pm
Pete George

That illustrates the point, his atheism isn’t being blamed, his madness is.
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January 25, 2011 2:08pm
Pauleastbay

Lucia

Slow news day in my old home town, stealing dried flour and water is hardly a serial killing and certainly not christian persecution.
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January 25, 2011 2:11pm
bearhunter

“…stealing dried flour and water is hardly a serial killing”

Cereal offending, though, surely?
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January 25, 2011 2:17pm
MyNameIsJack

andrei (814) Says:

January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
The Tuscon shooter is an Atheist

And this proves what? That he had no need for god.

Or can you prove that his actions were a direct outcome of his atheism, that it was atheism that drove him to murder?

No, you cannot.

But when we saw Ngo Dinh Diem deny food aid to all non-catholics and imprison thousands of Bhuddists, we knew he was driven by his religion.

When we saw Mohammed Atta et al fly ionto the twin towers, we knew thet were driven by their religion.
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January 25, 2011 2:22pm
MyNameIsJack

Pete George (8,866) Says:

January 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Mr Goff said ‘rebalancing’ the tax system would ensure everybody paid their fair share.

Good, its about time churches, mosques, synagogues, Ngai Tahu paid tax and rates.
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January 25, 2011 2:24pm
dime

fuckin goof ball and labour make me sick.

they can quite easily define the tax cuts they will give.

but when it comes to taxing Dime, the fuckers are awfully vague.

“it will kickin at $100,000 but we havent decided a percentage”. go fuck yourselves you lying pricks.

if they got it, 100k would become 80k and we would probably hit 40%.

these scumbags were the reason i was worried about GST – we will be back to the out tax levels, but ill be paying 15%.

&$^$*$&^@)#
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January 25, 2011 2:30pm
Pete George

Dime, don’t know if you missed this or not.
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January 25, 2011 2:33pm
bereal

i hope Helen Clark was watching Fox News today.

Bill O’Reilly and Nile Gardiner have just caused her a shit load of grief.

Of course Helen doesnt give a shit about, where has the money gone ?

But she does give a shit about her ambition.

Thats why this will hurt. It will hurt her BAD.

Watch this space.
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January 25, 2011 2:34pm
bereal

Further to my effort at 2.34

Catch it for yourself, repeated channel 092, 5 o’clock New Zealand time today.

You need Sky, 092 is FOX, no spin. no bull.

Lets hear the socialists, etc, Scream.
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January 25, 2011 2:44pm
bereal

Second thoughts, you will not hear a peep from them.

Unless it is to point out a spelling mistake i made.

Then they can scoff and crow and prove how superior they are.

Watch for it.
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January 25, 2011 2:50pm
Bevan

I guess we can add canine behaviour to your list of ignorances.

Add geography to the list as well…
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January 25, 2011 2:50pm
philu

do all people with an iq under 100 have such insecurities/paranoia..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 25, 2011 3:03pm
adze

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/4577428/TV-exec-beheading-accused-takes-over-case

A former New York television executive accused of beheading his estranged wife has been granted permission to act as his own lawyer for the remainder of his murder trial.
[…]
Hassan is accused of killing Aasiya Hassan inside the Muslim-oriented television station the couple started to counter negative images of Muslims after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Filed under “Unfortunate Ironies”…
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January 25, 2011 3:07pm
redeye

You need Sky, 092 is FOX, no spin. no bull.

Not even a teensy wee bit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS1NWYV1i_E&feature=feedrec_grec_index
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January 25, 2011 3:09pm
bereal

As a true Fabian Socialist, Helen Clark does not give a rats arse about where the money
honest, well meaning people donate to what they consider a good cause goes.
But you can bet she gives a BIG rats arse about her own money.
As a Fabian Socialist she would know that the first person you must look after,
is yourself.
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January 25, 2011 3:10pm
bereal

Bye the way, notice how philu has already proved my point. 3.03 pm
I Q north of 140in his own mind . What a fuckin pathetic joke this article is.
C’mon philu, have a real go.
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January 25, 2011 3:14pm
RightNow

can you elaborate or provide a link bereal? I’m not even sure what to search for
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January 25, 2011 3:17pm
bereal

Redeye, screaming so loud, so predictable, so pathetic.
Have you got a point ?
Are you a fish in the barrell with philu ?
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January 25, 2011 3:19pm
dime

Pete – you trying to send me into cardiac arrest???

Belies belief.

redeye – you lose all credability when discussing fox news as you unconditionally hate them. usually you call it faux news. like its just 24/7 lies… while the huff post tells nothing but the truth
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January 25, 2011 3:20pm
bereal

Right Now
Watch Fox News, SKY TV @ 5 pm today. channel 092
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January 25, 2011 3:21pm
philu

bereal:..joke..!

‘two people with iq’s under 100 walk into a bar…

..no..i mean really walk into a bar…

..they weren’t watching..were too busy trying to think…

..injuries were minor…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 25, 2011 3:24pm
dime

bereal – thanks for the heads up! im right into it. do they show a pic of helen?

“i think the people of america are ready to move on” haha

id love it if fox decided to take a hatin to her. they could destroy her. GLORIOUS
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January 25, 2011 3:30pm
redeye

Hey Dime I didn’t comment. Just pointed you to a video that was so self explanatory even you could get it.

And I haven’t read Huffington Post since I took the bottle a Bollinger? from you.

You and bereal care to comment about the video?

Nah I didn’t think so.
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January 25, 2011 3:35pm
Pete George

But wait, there’s more. If you want to risk adding to state health care costs check out:

http://www.workingforfamilies.govt.nz/

Working For Families (for those with children and earning less than about $200k):
– family tax credit
– in-work tax credit
– minimum family tax credit
– parental tax credit.
You may qualify for one or more, depending on your personal situation.

Accommodation Supplement
(for those with children and earning less than about $75k)
– tried a couple of examples, $50-100+ per week depending on income and where you live

Childcare Assistance
(for those with children and earning less than $93k)
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January 25, 2011 3:37pm
dime

havent watched it yet. im at work.

fox news has been on the air 15 years?! 10 years!? im sure their is plenty of fuck ups in that time.
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January 25, 2011 3:37pm
dime

hey redeye – if i posted a link to a video that said “redeyes a cunt” but didnt actually type that you were.. id be off the hook? i wouldnt be insinuating anything?

as for the grog.. isnt it nice to know that Dime pays his debts 😛
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January 25, 2011 3:39pm
MyNameIsJack

Who is blocking peace in the Middle east?

SENIOR Palestinian Authority officials are expected to face intense pressure to resign amid growing public anger over revelations that they were prepared to give away some of the Palestinians’ most cherished claims in their desire to sign a peace agreement with Israel.

A cache of leaked documents chronicling the past decade of behind-the-scenes Middle East peace negotiations has shown the Palestinian leadership to be so eager for an agreement that it was prepared to allow Israel to keep almost all Jewish settlements in occupied East Jerusalem.

The trove of more than 1600 documents, which has been leaked to the al-Jazeera news network, indicates that Israel rejected the unprecedented Palestinian offer as insufficient.

The documents contradict claims by successive Israeli leaders that they had ”no partner for peace”, instead showing in startling detail the extent to which Palestinian negotiators were prepared to bend to satisfy Israeli demands.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/desperation-of-palestinian-leadership-exposed-by-leaks-20110124-1a2wa.html

(emphasis added)
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January 25, 2011 3:44pm
redeye

If you posted a link to a video where I said I was a cunt you might be onto something.

Cause the link I posted showed Fox News themselves bullshitting and spinning.
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January 25, 2011 3:45pm
dime

redeye – ya hate fox news though dont ya?

personally, i hate the huff post, cnn, ny times.. but generally ill state that before having a go or posting links about them.

transparency my good man!
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January 25, 2011 3:48pm
dime

great link jack. youve really turned me around on the issue. ill start supporting the terrorists now instead of israel.

who cares dude. seriously.
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January 25, 2011 3:50pm
bereal

No they dont mention Helen by name.
Its the clip with Nile Gardiner.
I bet Fox will keep on it in the future though, Helen wil squirm.

In the same vein they ask, “if the USA donated 2 billion to relief in Haiti, why has nothing happened ?”
Why wont Clinton and Bush front up as Obamas men and tell the people, where has the money gone.

3.24 Philu, you are what i’m talking about re shooting fish in a barrell.
you are a no contest, darling.
If anyone believes you when you state your IQ is ‘North of 140″
they would be even more ignorant than you obviously are.

You are not even a joke mate.
Sick or otherwise.
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January 25, 2011 3:54pm
redeye

I don’t necessarily hate them. They are no different to any media outlet. They’ve decided on their target market and they play to them. But to suggest there is no spin or bull…we’ll that’s just fanciful. Television news is no longer. They are entertainment networks.

I do have some indifference to those of you that watch and blindly fall for their every word though.

The Ron Paul video posted over the weekend showed in real detail how they attempt to distort the truth.
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January 25, 2011 3:56pm
big bruv

What is happening on Fox?

Has Palin finally admitted she is a moron?
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January 25, 2011 3:57pm
RightNow

philu

‘two people with iq’s under 100 walk into a bar…

..no..i mean really walk into a bar…

That’s inappropriate in this day and age phil, making jokes at the expense of others. You’re meant to tell them that they’re equal to the worlds greatest people (true if you include Obama), there’s nothing they can’t do and they’re entitled to have 24/7 in home support, and any crime they commit isn’t their fault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esRrxRRTdjY
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January 25, 2011 3:59pm
mattyroo

So the fuckwits in the Labour party think that the tax free threshold in Oz is “approriate”

Mr Goff said ‘rebalancing’ the tax system would ensure everybody paid their fair share. Other countries, including Australia, the United Kingdom and Japan had no-tax ‘zones.’ He believed Australia’s system, under which the first $6000 was tax-free, was appropriate

Yet they obviously don’t believe the Oz high income tax rate is appropriate, as they clearly have not stated that their new upper rate will come in at anything like the Oz upper rate of 45% for income over $180k. All they state is that it will “apply to those earning at least more than $100,000 a year.” And we all know what that means…

The pack of contemptuous cunts can go and get fucked. If they get back in, I will simply offshore more of my income, as will many thousands of others.

Why don’t they focus on the structural problems in the economy, instead of this envy driven class system. This sort of bullshit idiotic policy is never going to increase employment or incomes amongst the poor. But that’s not what matters to these pricks is it?
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January 25, 2011 3:59pm
Redbaiter

“What is happening on Fox?”

Ahh, here’s the king of Panda Sports, “no one is more right wing” even though I’m a gun grabbing big government commie loser who can’t even drive a damn car. No wonder the Sikhs are taking over the Taxi business. At least they can drive.

What the hell are you worried about FOX for? Its not aimed at the commie market.
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January 25, 2011 4:00pm
mattyroo

Don’t get me wrong either, I’m not advocating for a upper tax rate, such as Australia has, or any more fucking taxes for that matter.
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January 25, 2011 4:02pm
Manolo

Goff spills the beans. We can expect a torrent of people to leave for Australia if the socialist grab political power.
The policies of envy and blindness have prevailed.

Although likely to be initially introduced at a lower level, Labour would look to increase that zone to reach $5000 during its first term in government.

However, it would also introduce a new top tax rate for those earning at least six-figure salaries, although Labour had not yet decided what that would be.

Mr Goff said Labour would not pay for its tax reforms through borrowing, raising GST or selling off assets. Instead it would do so by “claiming back some of the windfall tax cuts from the very top earners”.

He said the current 33 cents in the dollar was low by international standards.

Although the new top tax rate, or at what level of income it would set in, was not yet decided, Mr Goff said it would only apply to those earning at least more than $100,000 a year.

Mr Goff said ‘rebalancing’ the tax system would ensure everybody paid their fair share.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10701894
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January 25, 2011 4:06pm
dime

red – bruvs not a taxi driver mate.
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January 25, 2011 4:07pm
Pete George

He set out a five point plan for the country’s future:

* Tax changes to better support exports;
* Increasing innovation to grow productivity and smart, successful businesses;
* Boosting skills and trade training;
* Increasing savings, stopping asset sales and keeping land in New Zealand hands; and
* Changing monetary policy to support exports and jobs.

Mr Goff said that without Labour’s policies the gap between rich and poor would continue to grow.

“We are seeing two New Zealands developing, with major social and economic consequences for all of us,” he said. “I won’t make any promises I can’t keep.”

That all sounds wonderful – poliwaffle. I guess it’s hard to prove whether “increased innovation” has improved productivity or not.
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January 25, 2011 4:10pm
big bruv

Redbaiter

Baiting you is really far too easy….

Anyway, I like FOX, I watch a lot of it apart from when Glen (I can cry on demand) Beck is on or when they have the moron from Alaska as a talking head.

Hannity and O’Rielly are my favourites.
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January 25, 2011 4:11pm
MyNameIsJack

I have no idea if Big Bruv is a taxi driver or not, but I have it on good authority that Rebaiter’s mother was a taxi dancer.
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January 25, 2011 4:12pm
big bruv

Dime

Yes I am…
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