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January 24, 2011 9:19am by David Farrar

General Debate 24 January 2011

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big bruv

Hey Red, seen this quote?

“My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular”

What do you reckon are the chances of a gun loving redneck posting that on his site?, the same gun loving Redneck who has suggested on more than one occasion that it is time for the Christian hard right to take up arms against Obama?

Would it not be even funnier if that same gun loving redneck was one who went on and on about freedom and liberty?

Seems he wants freedom and liberty for his people but not those who oppose him.

That guy would have to be a moron would he not Red?
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January 24, 2011 10:22pm
big bruv

“Same old commie strategies. Cowardly lies and smears. Get back to Panda Sports you taxi driving talk back addicted commie dumbarse.”

Ah yes….my work for the day is done, another day of getting right under Redbaiters skin.

It really is too easy.
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January 24, 2011 10:24pm
Redbaiter

Go join the Watermelons Graeme. “No one is more right than me.” Hahhahahahahahah.. taxi driving loser. Quick, ring up Danny and get an idea.
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January 24, 2011 10:24pm
Hurf Durf

Cheers for the info, Angus. I wouldn’t be surprised if Father MacGuire had a fiddle of JackOff when he was younger too.
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January 24, 2011 10:24pm
Angus

Bruv – “The same goes for health care, it is inconceivable in todays western world that a huge % of a countries population has no access to effective health care.”

OK. Let us examine the facts . . .

1) The 18 million who earn over $50,000 p.a. (half of whom earn over $75k) and who choose to pay as they go;

2) The 13 million illegal aliens;

3) The 8 million Americans under the age of 18 who are eligible for taxpayer-funded cover but whose parents haven’t signed them up;

4) And the 18-20 year olds who consider themselves invincible and haven’t purchased health insurance;

Then we are left with 8 million low-income Americans, 3 percent of the population, most of whom are eligible for subsidized care under state Medicaid or federal Medicare programmes, or (heaven forbid!) help from charities.

Like reid, you really need to wake up & get a handle on reality. What would it take to get a factual reference into your head ? A megaphone to the ear and a ball peen hammer to the temple?

You really are one dumb son of a bitch, bruv.
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January 24, 2011 10:24pm
philu

red…i’m blushing..!’

..you old flatterer you…

..any answer yet why you have a quote from someone who wd have loathed you/yr politics…namely george orwell…

..up on yr blog masthead..?

..ideological-alzheimers…?

phil(whoar.co,nz)
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January 24, 2011 10:25pm
noskire

big bruv, agree on your analysis that the Greens will struggle to make 5%. No “big names” hitting the headlines, and the Sea Shepherd bullshit has probably put off a lot of the moderate fence-sitters who will probabaly sponsor some oprhan in Somalia instead to clear their conscience.
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January 24, 2011 10:25pm
Angus

“wouldn’t be surprised if Father MacGuire had a fiddle when JackOff was younger too.”

Well yeah! Ian Wishart at http://www.tbr.cc was close to getting Mr Piesse to admit to why he abandoned his faith . . but Mr Piesse buggered off
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January 24, 2011 10:27pm
Redbaiter

“A megaphone to the ear and a ball peen hammer to the temple?”

Maybe we could ask Danny Watson to broadcast it.. 🙂
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January 24, 2011 10:28pm
big bruv

Angus

How can you type so well when your knuckles are dragging on the ground?, it is a bloody miracle.

Anyway, the magic word here Angus is “effective”, the REALITY is that many, many Americans die each year because they are denied EFFECTIVE health care.

But…as you say, they happen to be mostly Blacks and Hispanics so you don’t really care do you.
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January 24, 2011 10:29pm
Redbaiter

“the REALITY is that many, many Americans die each year because they are denied EFFECTIVE health care.”

Hhahahah, never happens in the UK. Or NZ. Or Cuba. Or Canada. You sad shit for brains leftist moron.
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January 24, 2011 10:33pm
philu

anyway…must be off…

..have to be up early for whoar…eh…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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January 24, 2011 10:34pm
big bruv

Come on Phool….if you don’t come across with that list soon old Redbaiter will miss out.

The nurse comes around at 10.45, she changes his incontinence pants and tucks him in bed for the night, he then dreams about $70,000 Ford motor cars and winning his ten year war against the left.

Hurry up for goodness sake.
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January 24, 2011 10:35pm
Redbaiter

Take your half witted boring crap back to Panda Sports Graeme, as bad as this place is you’re at least a hundred points down on the minimum intellectual requirement. There you can pretend you’re right wing and they’re all too dumb to know what you really are. A lame arsed gun grabbing big government commie.

BTW Angus, don’t go too hard on the poor whining POS, he’ll start firing off complaint emails to Mr. Farrar like he usually does.
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January 24, 2011 10:38pm
big bruv

“Hhahahah, never happens in the UK. Or NZ. Or Cuba. Or Canada. You sad shit for brains leftist moron.”

More than good enough to get under your skin though aye Redbaiter.

Now run away old man, the important people are discussing the affairs of the world and we do not need the mad rantings of a geriatric and incontinent old man butting in with the same cut and paste crap we see from him day after day.
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January 24, 2011 10:38pm
Redbaiter

Whose “we” Bruv, you and you’re multitude of sock puppets. Or is that just the same ol delusional collectivist dementia that all you gun grabbing big government commies suffer from?

“No one is more right than me”…

Hhahahah.. in Cuba maybe. Moron.

“a geriatric and incontinent old man butting in with the same cut and paste crap we see from him day after day.”

Wow, never seen that before..!!
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January 24, 2011 10:43pm
tom hunter

Angus

…it is inconceivable in todays western world that a huge % of a countries population has no access to effective health care.”

Big Bruv said the exact same thing in the GD debate of October 29,2010.

You and I responded with those same factual numbers:

here;

here;

and here

And now here we are again. I once described Rogernome as the living definition of obtuse, but in his absence…..
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January 24, 2011 10:46pm
Redbaiter

“And now here we are again. I once described Rogernome as the living definition of obtuse, but in his absence…..”

What’s more, even that very fact has been pointed out to him again and again too, and it just makes no impact. The guy’s lame and completely off his damn rocker.
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January 24, 2011 10:48pm
Angus

“And now here we are again. I once described Rogernome as the living definition of obtuse, but in his absence…..”

I feel your pain buddy !
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January 24, 2011 10:54pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Red, Angus, Tom, I don’t know why you bother. Bruv, his drug-addled alter ego Phool and MyNameIsPiesseOfShit are simply not worth the effort. They will never be educated, because they lack the capacity. Their comments, which they repeat ad nauseum ad infinitum (on the basis that if something is repeated often enough it becomes truth) lack the depth of even the average car park puddle. Their analysis is worthy of a NZ Herald Letter to the Editor.

Save yourselves the cost of the Panadol guys, just stop interacting with these fucking buffoons. If you ignore them long enough, they’re bound to get bored and slink off back to frogblog and the stranded (or, of course, the most popular blog on the web – I’m sure I don’t need to name it!)
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January 24, 2011 11:10pm
Redbaiter

I don’t worry about Philu and Mr. Piesse, but there’s a modicum of satisfaction to be gained from kicking that fake “rightist” Bruv’s useless arse. But you’re right O-K, I should know better.
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January 24, 2011 11:46pm
tom hunter

Red, Angus, Tom, I don’t know why you bother.

Funnily enough that’s exactly what RB has said to me on a number of occasions and I can see his point. I certainly get tired of rebutting the exact same points, but….

Their analysis is worthy of a NZ Herald Letter to the Editor.

Exactly. Those sorts of thoughts are very common in NZ, especially in relation to aspects of the US like gun laws and healthcare (I pretty much believed all the same crap about the US before I went to live there) – and how many decades did people put up with reading brain-dead soundbites like that, with no worthwhile counter-argument passed by the editor.

The latter point is one of the many reasons that blogs took off and now that the capability to provide counter-arguments in detail is here I don’t think the field should be abandoned. Sure, you’ll never convince people like BB, but there are other open-minded silent readers who might pursue the links and the arguments. Better than leaving such stupid claims uncontested.
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January 24, 2011 11:46pm
Mr Robert Black

Ratana:

“Pita Sharples says his party is the last chance Maori have for an independant voice in government.”

Why exactly do we have entrenched Maori seats?

I mean it just seemed odd to see Pita Sharples saying that.

Isn’t that so defeatest and probably not true anyway?

If a candidate is good enough, popular enough, they will be voted in regardless of race. You can see that with Asian politicians.

Legally, why do we have automatic Maori seats? Making us not a true democracy?

Is is the Treaty or the constitution?

It’s not that I am dumb (well maybe it is) I probably knew back in legal history 101 but I have never really put my attention to the actual legal basis for it.

Can someone kind put it in clear terms?

Cheers.
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January 24, 2011 11:55pm
Mr Robert Black

Probably a bit late.

I’ll stick this in GD tomorrow morning.

Have a good one.
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January 25, 2011 12:10am
Pete George

Better than leaving such stupid claims uncontested.

Tom, your selection of stupid claims to contest is curious, you could have a field day with someone like Redbaiter – if you disagreed with him of course.

Do you deem anyone claiming to be on the same side of politics to be untouchable, not matter what they post?
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January 25, 2011 7:12am
Offshore_Kiwi

Point taken Tom. The lesson is in the discussion, not necessarily with the blockhead being directly addressed, but with other more objective people who may be observing. I think I get it; the more people like you and Red counter their fallacious and vacuous memes with logical argument, the less oxygen their lies receive.

My thanks (as usual) for the education.

Of course when I mentioned that collection dumb-arses, I forgot to list their spiritual leader Petey.
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January 25, 2011 7:56am
Pete George

…the more people like you and Red counter their fallacious and vacuous memes with logical argument

If you want fly your flag on Red’s mast then “other more objective people who may be observing” will make up their own minds how credible you are. He has a small minority of visible backers here (and on his own and rabbit blogs), it may be wishful thinking to expect a vast silent readership in thrall to his over the top rhetoric.

Redbaiter and objectivity go together like Obama and mass cups of tea.
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