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Manolo

New York-based bureaucrats lecturing us:
The United Nations has expressed concern over shortfalls in the rights of New Zealand children, including “staggering” infant and child mortality rates and a lack representation for children in legislation.

It has questioned why New Zealand does not have a department or ministry responsible for children’s issues.

Another committee underlined that many developments had been seen regarding the right to life and survival, yet child and infant mortality rates remained “staggering” and had not changed over the past ten years.

The member noted that 20 percent of children in New Zealand lived in income poverty.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4562042/UN-concern-over-Kiwi-kids-rights

I expect a robust response from this “valiant and brave” government.
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January 20, 2011 4:28pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Manolo, if John Key had any stones he’d tell the UN to FRO and stop meddling in NZ’s internal affairs.

If Aunty Tari had any integrity she would say “this is a Maori problem and Maori will fix it.” Without, of course, dipping into the taxpayer pocket any more than she already does.
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January 20, 2011 4:39pm
kaya

Manolo – The USA was a great country and hopefully will be again one day. Currently it is an oligarchy run by Wall Street.

(Apologies if I don’t get involved in lengthy debate. broke my wrist on Sunday and typing one handed is no fun!)

I’m currently 2/3 through “13 Bankers”. An astonishing insight into the GFC and how Wall Street took control of Washington over the last 30 years.

Essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what comes next for the world economy. Dangerous and reckless elements of our financial sector have become too powerful and must be reined in. If this problem is not addressed, there is serious trouble in all our futures.

Nouriel Roubini, Professor of Economics, New York University
Right, off for a lie down…..
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January 20, 2011 5:50pm
Fletch

@ Fletch

I can read that two ways. “upon this rock” could mean this statement as in that Jesus is the Christ. Isn’t that what the church should be building on?

Wouldn’t Jesus Christ, if perfect, made it clearer if he meant, Peter by saying, “upon YOU I shall build my church.”?

AlphaKiwi, actually the word “Peter” literally means “rock”. No one had ever been called that historically before Jesus referred to Peter that way. The full text reads –

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

He is talking to Peter, to whom he gives the keys (an office). Even Martin Luther believed in the Primacy of Peter.

Why are you searching heavenward in search of my keys? Do you not understand, Jesus said, ‘I gave them to Peter. They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven for I left them on earth. Peter’s mouth is my mouth, his tongue is my key case, his keys are my keys. They are an office. They are a power, a command given by God through Christ to all of Christendom for the retaining and remitting of the sins of men. (Martin Luther 1530 – after he left the Church)
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January 20, 2011 6:34pm
bereal

My name is jackoff

Check up on some statistics before you keep sprouting your dreamland belief that US citizens go to Canada
for health care.

Check the 5 year suvival rate for the top 10 cancer killers between the 2 countries for eg

Check the waiting lists for elective surgery in Canada.

Check how long the waiting list is to see a specialist in Canada.

Why does King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia go to Johns Hopkins for treatment ?

Have a look at how much Canadian citizens spend on health treatment in the USA

You have no idea mate. Blinded by dogmatic ideology.

Where did you come up with your view that US citizens go to Canada ?

Unless it was in your dreams.
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January 20, 2011 7:21pm
bereal

Also. Jackoff,

You hate ‘Amerika’ so much perhaps you would care to enlighten us with your opinion of a superior
democracy.
or
If you would prefer a socialist/communist system i would be interested to hear of what you consider
a better system

Let me guess Titos Albania would have appealed to your type , right ?
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January 20, 2011 7:30pm
adze

Why is it that every year, I like the UN less?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4562042/UN-concern-over-Kiwi-kids-rights

I particularly liked Bob’s comment #5 in the article. They are showing themselves to be cheerleading enablers to non-western oligarchies, and chardonnay socialists to liberal democratic nations.
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January 20, 2011 7:46pm
grumpyoldhori

bereal fuck an old hori should not be telling you this, the USA is not a democracy they are a republic.
They do not one man, one vote of equal value in their Senate
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January 20, 2011 8:13pm
MyNameIsJack

bereal (283) Says:

January 20th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Let me guess Titos Albania would have appealed to your type , right ?

Guess you got your education in Amerika.

Tito was the Yugoslav patriot and dictator. Albania was run by Hoxha.

Guess I did OK, got my education from a socialist history teacher in Oz.

As for the rest of your horsehit, well, let’s just leave it to fertilise the roses,eh?
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January 20, 2011 8:24pm
AlphaKiwi

@ Fletch

I think you and I’ll never agree. 🙂

I know in the Bible Jesus is referred to as a rock as well.

The “rock” in prophecy in Daniel 2 is generally accepted to be referring to Jesus.

Dan 2:34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands.

This “rock cut out not by human hands,” is of supernatural origin, i.e. is Christ (Mat 7:24-25; 16:18; Rom 9:33; 1 Cor 10:4; 1 Pet 2:8).

It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.

Christ at His second coming will destroy the last kingdom (Ps 2:9; 1 Cor 15:25; 2 Thess 2:8; Rev 2:26-27; 11:15; 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2) and therefore all of them. See below my comments on Daniel’s interpretation in 2:44-45.

Anyway, I think the Bible can be interpreted in different ways by people, hence the variety of doctrines and denominations.

I’m not a Christian, but don’t mind discussing religion. However, in general I think KiwiBlog isn’t the best place as it’s mainly a political blog.

In future if I start a blog, I would have a section for discussing religion as well politics, philosophy, etc. I’ll let you know if and when that happens. I’d welcome you to share your views from time to time. I’m open to learning how other people see the world differently from me.

Thanks, Fletch.
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January 20, 2011 8:45pm
reid

Further to Pete’s post re: the Chilcot enquiry into Blair’s Iraq adventure, the real current day Sir Humphrey refuses to release notes sent by Blair to Bush.

Chilcot, who, with his four-member panel, has privately seen Blair’s notes, said the documents “illuminate prime minister Blair’s positions at critical points”.

O’Donnell replied to Chilcot that releasing Blair’s notes would damage Britain’s relations with the US. and would not be in the public interest. “We have attached particular importance to protecting the privacy of the channel between the prime minister and president,” he told Chilcot.

The Cabinet Office said the refusal to allow Blair’s notes to be disclosed conformed to the inquiry’s protocols. Chilcot said recently the protocols were “put in place to protect national security, international relations and the personal security of individuals. They are not there to prevent embarrassment.”
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January 20, 2011 9:04pm
Viking2

Looks like Paul Henry was right about little Mrs Dipshit all the time.

Aussies owed millions from Delhi Commonwealth Games

Sydney Olympics maestro Ric Birch has this week commissioned Slater & Gordon to launch a likely multi-million dollar class action against Delhi Commonwealth Games organisers for substantial unpaid bills. Mr Birch said he was “seriously pissed off” with Games organisers.

ACGA CEO Perry Crosswhite said his body was one of “30 or 40” similar Games bodies around the world owed money by Delhi organisers.

Mr Birch was creative director for the Delhi ceremonies, Howard & Sons provided all of their fireworks, and Norwest provided all the sound. Both ceremonies were hailed as shining successes amid the Games general chaos. But Mr Birch said he was told by Delhi Games organisers secretary-general Lalit Bhanot: “We’re not going to pay you because your services were not up to the mark.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/commonwealth-games/aussies-owed-millions-from-delhi-commonwealth-games/story-fn65mzk7-1225991377970
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January 20, 2011 9:10pm
Hurf Durf

DenseOldFuckwit and JackOff in fucking idiot shocker. Someone change the channel please, I’m sick of their whining that doesn’t even change direction regardless of the facts that have emerged. Nice to see DOF cling to his conspiracy theory though. He’s as bad (and as stupid) as the birthers.

Cha: you mean the far-left and radical Islam converging in order to meet their own goals (anti-Western, anti-capitalist, anti-consumption). It’s funny how your type are little better than Anwar al-Aulaki.
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January 20, 2011 9:13pm
Viking2

Virgin soars as Air NZ buys stake
January 20, 2011 – 5:09PM

Air New Zealand has bought a substantial stake in budget carrier Virgin Blue and plans to raise that stake to between 10 per cent and 14.99 per cent.

Air NZ said today it had no intention of making a full takeover offer and had received Australian Foreign Investment Review Board approval for the transaction.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/virgin-soars-as-air-nz-buys-stake-20110120-19xs8.html
Virgin Blue shares jumped 4 cents, or 10 per cent, in late trade to close at 44 cents.
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January 20, 2011 9:16pm
Pete George

I just saw this quote…

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw

I think it’s far too simplistic. A person who is too reasonable/adaptable won’t change much, but neither will someone who is too unreasonable, they will demand too much and usually achieve little. As with many things there has to be a reasonable balance.
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January 20, 2011 9:34pm
bereal

Jackoff.
You remain staunchly typical to your type.
Correct the spelling, heap the abuse, do anything, ANYTHING.

Except addres the question.

Put it this way, for one more try.

What do you consider to be a superior political system to the Amerika you hate so much ?

Wreckers and haters like you usually have no reply.

All you have is what you hate, what do you admire ? i’ll answer for you, effing nothing.

Prove me wrong. Addres the question. Try, just once in your life. You know you would feel better if you could.
But you can’t, it’s impossible for you isn’t it ? Just admit it.

Grumptyhori, nice hair splitting mate. One up to you.
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January 20, 2011 11:02pm
bereal

Also, i’d rather not fuck an old hori. LOL

There are 300 odd million Americans who would laugh at you.
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January 20, 2011 11:08pm
Herman Poole

# Pete George (8,785) Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

I just saw this quote…

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw

I think it’s far too simplistic. A person who is too reasonable/adaptable won’t change much, but neither will someone who is too unreasonable, they will demand too much and usually achieve little. As with many things there has to be a reasonable balance.

Do you even think about what you post or do you just apply a wishy washy algorythm?

Our lives would not bear any resemblance to what they are today without unreasonable people.
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January 20, 2011 11:22pm
Fletch

AlphaKiwi, yes, Christ is also the Rock, as is his Church. Father Corapi explains this very well below –

All through the Old Testament, “Rock” with an uppercase”R” refers to God himself. Then in the Gospel of Matthew referred to above, we see Jesus, the “Rock,” because he is a divine subject of action, renaming Simon “Rock.” Jesus, the real “Rock,” is also referred to as the “bridegroom” or “groom” as well in Scripture. The Church is his “bride” (#796). We know, also from the Word, that in marriage, whether natural or supernatural, the “two become one flesh.” Jesus and his church are one; bridegroom and bride are one. Hence, Christ is naming Peter “Rock”, one with himself. There is no other “Rock” other than Christ absolutely speaking. However, the Rock, in a mystical marriage, unites his beloved bride, the Church, to himself. Simon is named “Rock”, and whoever hears the Rock Peter is hearing the Rock who is Christ; whoever rejects the Rock who is Peter, rejects the Rock Christ and the One who sent him, the Father.

You cannot separate the Lord Jesus from his beloved body and bride, the Church. To reject the teaching of Peter and his successors the Roman pontiffs, together with the bishops who are united with the Holy Father in teaching the one faith which has been handed down faithfully from the apostles, is to reject the teaching of Jesus Christ, and the One who sent him, the Father (cf. Luke 10:16).

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Head and body are one; bridegroom and bride are one. Those who attack the Church attack Christ. When Saul of Tarsus was persecuting the newborn church on his way to Damascus, he was knocked off his horse by the light who is Christ. “He fell to the ground and at the same time heard a voice saying, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, sir?’ he asked. The voice answered, ‘I am Jesus, the one you are persecuting.’” Saul was “breathing murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples,” against the Church. Christ told him clearly that he was persecuting him, Jesus, the Lord. Christ and his church are one. To love Jesus truly, we must love his church.

Thus, yes; Christ is the Rock, but so is the Church because Christ is the Bridegroom, the Church is the Bride and the Bride and the Bridegroom are one. Fr Corapi makes the point that to attack the Bride (the Church) is also to attack Jesus, the Bridegroom (again, because both are one). I don’t expect you to get this straight away, as it’s not a concept the Protestants really follow.
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January 21, 2011 12:54am
Pete George

Our lives would not bear any resemblance to what they are today without unreasonable people.

Nor without reasonableness.

Unreasonable and reasonable are never absolutes anyway, everyone is some mixture – that’s not wishy-washy, it’s how things work in practice.
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January 21, 2011 6:58am
Herman Poole

# Pete George (8,787) Says:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:58 am

Our lives would not bear any resemblance to what they are today without unreasonable people.

Nor without reasonableness.

Unreasonable and reasonable are never absolutes anyway, everyone is some mixture – that’s not wishy-washy, it’s how things work in practice.

You are a dolt Pete.

Shaw’s comment was not absolute. Comparatively, but not absolutely, unreasonable people make things happen.
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January 21, 2011 8:23am
Pete George

I was just suggesting something to discuss Herman. I don’t think I’ve been called a dolt before so at least you are adding something new.

I guess blogs “would not bear any resemblance to what they are today without unreasonable people”.
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January 21, 2011 8:40am
Herman Poole

You should observe what happens to reasonable conservative candidates in the US Pete, they flop. The unreasonable candidates like Goldwater and Reagan infuse the movement.
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January 21, 2011 8:48am
bereal

grumptyhori

correct me if i’m wrong but did i see Obama on the box today referring to the USA as a democracy ?

You should give him a call and put him right .

What a mug he must be to be dumber than an old hori.

LOL
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