General Debate 12 January 2011

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Dave Mann

@Gulag…. On what basis do you claim that NZ built buses are rubbish? Moreover, are you saying that we do not have the skills, the technology or the workforce here to rustle up a homegrown company to build them? I suppose too that the money to buy these bloody things will end up being borrowed from some international bank. What a sorry state we have become.
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January 12, 2011 2:22pm
jinpy

Eszett, thanks hadn’t seen that info
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January 12, 2011 2:25pm
ciaron

And small muslim extremist groups represent all muslims, right?

Thats a question of expanse and frequency.
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January 12, 2011 2:25pm
KiwiGreg

@ Dave Mann is your idea that anyone looking to buy anything should get someone’s (yours? the governments?) approval before daring to buy from someone other than a New Zealand business?

What’s so great about manufacturing? They are shit jobs, generally done better by machines. Would you rather work at the end of a lathe or in an office?
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January 12, 2011 2:29pm
Gulag1917

We have the skills the problem is the bodywork is built cheaply [blame accountants] however there is a good firm in the North Island building buses. The chassis, engine and steering are generally imported and NZ firms do the bodywork. Lot of imports now coming from China but they are not suitable for meat eating Kiwis, too small. Probably the better alternative would be to import them from Australia where the quality and workmanship seems superior although there may be legalities such as bigger widths to be settled.
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January 12, 2011 2:33pm
Redbaiter

The left are vile amoral scum. We need to get a lot less tolerant of their lying and their propaganda and their totalitarian objectives-

http://truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/we-have-every-damn-right-to-be-angry/
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January 12, 2011 2:38pm
thedavincimode

bruv

“Need any more evidence as to why religion has NO place in government?”

That is just about as silly as saying that Palin shot what’s-her-face.
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January 12, 2011 2:39pm
thedavincimode

oh god, he’s link-whoring to his silly porn site again…

traffic slow again today Russ?
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January 12, 2011 2:40pm
Redbaiter

As I said on the other thread, does your sick obsession with Redbaiter mean I need to be careful in my private life? You nutters are everywhere today, and dangerous. Look what happened to Rep Giffords. Stalked for years and finally shot.
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January 12, 2011 2:45pm
thedavincimode

As I said on the other thread, does your sick obsession with thedavincimode mean I need to be careful in my private life? You nutters are everywhere today, and dangerous. Look what happened to Rep Giffords. Stalked for years and finally shot.
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January 12, 2011 2:49pm
Redbaiter

You’ll see that I post numerous responses here on numerous issues to numerous people. Today, as with most days, the very first comments you make here have Redbaiter as the subject. You are a sick obsessive, and your lies and smears cannot hide that fact.
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January 12, 2011 2:54pm
gazzmaniac

kaya re fishing – a dying, flapping distressed fish and blood running out are also a great invitation to kingfish and larger predatory fish, if you think it’s worth the risk. And you’re lucky being able to catch fish like that – I have 2 weeks off (well timed as usual) and it’s a bit hard here thanks to the flooding, although my flatmate caught a 55cm Mangrove Jack on the weekend. We are waiting for the weather to die down a bit and might head out to the GC Seaway tomorrow (on a boat not a kayak).

Methinks the debate is on its way downhill.
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January 12, 2011 2:59pm
thedavincimode

“You are a sick obsessive, and your lies and smears cannot hide that fact.”

Classic!
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January 12, 2011 2:59pm
Redbaiter

Yeah right Jared.
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January 12, 2011 3:04pm
thedavincimode

You’re not stalking me are you Russ?
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January 12, 2011 3:07pm
Pete George

You’ll see that the very first comments RB made here today are stalking BB.

Redbaiter: Look what happened to Rep Giffords. Stalked for years and finally shot.
Redbaiter claims Democrats (and just about everyone else) are Marxists.
Redbaiter: I’m even happy to go down in a hail of lead as long as I can take a few dozen Marxists with me.

That’s something you can’t project onto anyone else here. Playing the “poor me victim” thing is a bit desperate.
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January 12, 2011 3:07pm
Redbaiter

What a leftist shithole this is. Worse than the Standard.
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January 12, 2011 3:15pm
thedavincimode

Is it really “poor me victim” PG?

I think he’s actually starting to channell Leonardis. All the talk about hails of bullets, war, taking a few pinkos with him. I think we’re about to see something spectacular from ‘baiter; his own little Thermopylae. I expect he dreams about it when he dozes off on the lawn.
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January 12, 2011 3:17pm
gazzmaniac

If you don’t like it leave.
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January 12, 2011 3:18pm
Redbaiter

Oh heck Gazza- thanks for that command. Until your authoritative order, I was already to sit around here all day dealing with the insane rants of psychopaths, leftist liars and obsessive compulsives.
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January 12, 2011 3:27pm
thedavincimode

But isn’t that exactly what you’ve been doing you silly old thing?
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January 12, 2011 3:32pm
All_on_Red

@Stephen
“one of the UK’s leading climate scientists is blaming the UK blizzards on global warming somewhere else in the world.

Out of curiosity, what’s wrong with what he said?”

Because the reason for the storms is a change in the Arctic oscillation. Its cyclical
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/11/something-topical-2/#more-31134
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January 12, 2011 3:43pm
backster

I am surprised so much comment has been made about American Political corruption yet no one has mentioned the Democratic Governor of Illinois Rod Blagojevich who put President Obama’s Senate Seat on the auction block for his personal gain.
As for Sarah. Good luck to her, she has been the subject of malicious vilification ever since McCain selected her as his running mate, and none of it has been justified. She has more credentials to succeed in the role than most. I also think Hilary was pretty hard done by and would have done far better than Obama.
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January 12, 2011 3:47pm
gazzmaniac

backster – Hilary wouldn’t have got elected. She’s the wrong colour.
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January 12, 2011 3:50pm
kaya

gazzmaniac – yes re the kingfish etc, I’m on Gt Barrier Island for a spell “working” so the fishing is relatively easy. We get a lot of sharks on the east coast so I do my best to avoid them. The kingies go best on a live bait or a popper if I spot them on the surface.

Are you in Brisbane? Good luck with everything, including the fishing.
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January 12, 2011 4:08pm
grumpyoldhori

thedavincimode His own little Thermopylae ?
Being carried on his shield might just upset him.
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January 12, 2011 4:29pm
thedavincimode

Shield? Oops, of course – you’re referring to his metaphorical shield; the Sarah Palin bathing suit photo.

Its what he dreams about.
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January 12, 2011 4:52pm
Rex Widerstrom

One of the fish was flapping around wildly, so he decided he would rather tow the slimy fish on a line than keep them in his single-seat kayak as he made his way back to his yacht.

He leaves a creature writing in agony on his spear rather than humanely dispatching it? I’d say his being subject to similar agony by a larger fish would come under the heading “karma”.
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January 12, 2011 5:59pm
Ford Anglia

@James Stephenson 11.00 – subtle Donald Sutherland line from the movie Kelly’s Heroes. Good story but don’t understand the inclusion of a hippy in command of a troop of armour in 1944. Must have been a sign of the times when it was made.
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January 12, 2011 6:11pm
gazzmaniac

kaya – Gold Coast. The rivers are dirty at the moment, however there’s a long way till we have to worry. We are lucky here because all the rivers have small catchments and the water tends to head west then south to NSW. Hopefully will be able to fish in the Seaway (the bottom bit of Moreton Bay) tomorrow afternoon or Friday – the Brisbane River is a fair bit North of there.
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January 12, 2011 6:20pm
Fletch

No offense to Brooke Fraser, but I can see myself getting rapidly sick of hearing “there’s something in the water” as the new TV One station I.D song.
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January 12, 2011 7:17pm
bc

I know what you mean Fletch. I know the Swingers “Counting the Beat” is a classic, but for those of us who have heard it thousands of times over the years, I’m already sick of it being the TV3 song.
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January 12, 2011 7:54pm
bc

From the Herald Sideswipe:

Green gaffe

Green politics are sometimes criticised for over-representing the white middle classes – but in October the Green Party candidate for governor of Illinois, Rich Whitney, was shocked to see that the sample ballot mistakenly displayed his name as “Rich Whitey”. (Source: News of the Weird)
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January 12, 2011 7:55pm
Put it away

Interesting, the loon was obsessed with lucid dreaming, sounds like he’s probably seen “Inception” a few too many times. Where are all the leftards bellowing to themselves that it is all Inception’s fault? Oh right, can’t think of any way to dishonestly pretend Sarah Palin has anythign to do with Inception. Better get back to the “tone of rhetoric” then.
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January 12, 2011 8:12pm
big bruv

Has anybody else here ever been lucky enough to hook a Kingfish?

I recently experienced this for the first time, there is not another fish in the sea quite like it, when they take the bait you would swear that the fish on the end of your line is at least three or four times bigger than it actually is.

(For the record mine was 95cm, the legal limit is 75cm but as with nearly all the fish I catch it went back in and swam away.)
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January 12, 2011 8:25pm
gazzmaniac

The Queensland government seem to be doing everything right – just recieved the following email:

12 January 2011

Tolls waived on Gateway and Logan Motorways

Queensland Motorways is waiving all tolls on the Gateway and Logan motorways from 12 midday on Wednesday 12 January 2011 until further notice.

Acting Chief Executive Officer John Gardiner said the Gateway and Logan motorways were unaffected by flood inundation.

“I encourage all motorists to use the motorways at no cost as a reliable means of travel during this flood crisis, particularly in emergency situations,” he said.

“The Gateway Motorway is open between Nudgee and the Pacific Motorway, whilst the Logan Motorway is open between the Pacific Motorway and the Gailes/Camira exit in the west.”

With the Ipswich Motorway now closed, westbound traffic on the Logan Motorway is being detoured at the Gailes/Camira exit.

Mr Gardiner said motorists should take care in the wet conditions and follow all road signage in place.

Further information will be posted on govia.com.au as it becomes available.

I suspect it’s to ensure that people can get to the airport without going through the city – many of us (myself included) usually refuse to use the Gateway Bridge because it’s too hard to pay the toll and detour through the city to get to the airport (off peak usually takes about an extra 15 min from the Gold Coast).
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January 12, 2011 8:25pm
gazzmaniac

bb – I caught one a few years ago off Durville Island. Awesome fish, only slightly over the limit. I also had another smaller fish (a cod from memory but it’s not important) on the other hook at the same time, and everyone else on the boat was wondering why I was taking so long to reel it in!
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January 12, 2011 8:28pm
RobbieBlack

I just heard on BBC that there are bull sharks swimming around the Brisbane CBD.

Must be looking for some post Christmas bargains.

Hehe, sorry to be flippant.
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January 12, 2011 8:40pm
Hurf Durf

Hahaha, proggy gets boner over a return to a Cold War/pre-WWI style of international power politics. Very Lockeesque. Cos we all remember the peace and harmony that flowed during those eras.

Debate time: is proggy misguidance on international relations the product of solely ignorance, solely naivety or a bit of both depending on the objective? I think the more (relatively) clever and ruthless ones are in the third, the thicker majority are the first two.
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January 12, 2011 8:51pm
Hurf Durf

Ah shit, didn’t check with Peteypoos if that was in keeping with his new civility initiatives. Oh well.
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January 12, 2011 9:02pm
Fletch

bb – I notice that on iTunes there’s an Inception (like the film) app you can download that encourages dreaming. It “uses augmented sound to induce dreams through the headset of your iPhone or iPod Touch. It will change your perception of reality.”

Must be a current trend or something.
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January 12, 2011 9:39pm
Rex Widerstrom

RobbieBlack notes:

I just heard on BBC that there are bull sharks swimming around the Brisbane CBD.

Must be looking for some post Christmas bargains.

Or looking for litigants to represent.
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January 12, 2011 9:39pm
Hurf Durf

Sounds like New Age bollocks tbh Fletch.
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January 12, 2011 9:45pm
Fletch

Yep.
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January 12, 2011 10:03pm
Christopher Thomson

On that noise thing for dreams I would have to say I can see it working. From personal experience I can recall dreams in which events occurred and woke me to find an external noise matched what I was hearing as something else in the dream. For example an alarm clock was ringing and I dreamt of watching fire engines (with the oldentimes bells ringing) racing to the fire.
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January 13, 2011 5:27am
JiveKitty

Wikileaks got the blame for putting a US embassy cable regarding Zimbabwe into the public domain. They were soundly condemned for endangering Morgan Tsvangirai and democracy in Zimbabwe. As it happens, Wikileaks did not choose to release the cable into the public domain and publish it. It was the Guardian newspaper. Link here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241595

Here’s Glenn Greenwald’s piece about it: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/12/propaganda/index.html

The interesting part is the documenting of the news outlets reactions. I don’t give a shit about James Richardson.
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January 13, 2011 8:12am
Manolo

Accidents happen.
Hillary Clinton takes a tumble: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346410/Hillary-Clinton-takes-tumble-boards-plane-meeting-Yemeni-President.html
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