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December 5, 2010 8:00am by David Farrar

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reid

“…he should not be regarded as some sort of national hero.”

So why is he so regarded, Zhumao?

Hint: myself and other commenters have already explained that above.

Given that we all have a common understanding of that, why is it wrong?
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December 5, 2010 5:21pm
Inventory2

Zhumao’s backdown has begun – contrast:

From what I know already, I am not confident enough to say he should be slung in jail, or that he is guilty of criminal negligence. I am confident enough, however, based on the facts to date, that he, as CEO, and principal under the Health and Safety Act 1992, should resign.

with this:

# Zhumao (385) Says:
December 5th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

Whittall should most likely be awarded a set of prison overalls.
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December 5, 2010 5:22pm
joana

Zumao ,
I think you have made your point so why keep repeating it? It is obvious that quite a few others do not share your view. This forum is not about ”being right”…it is a discussion forum where all sorts of views can be expressed…this is the freedom we enjoy; they freedom to read and listen to all sorts of views. I have found some of yours interesting which doesn’t mean I agree with them…keep an open mind .. try not to be so dogmatic…and remember that name calling does nothing to further your case.
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December 5, 2010 5:24pm
Zhumao

“So why is he so regarded, Zhumao?”

Because of a media beat-up and desire to create a sensation and drama where one guy is the hero (Whittall) and another the villain (Superindendent Knowles).

Entirely media driven – just like Obamamania – and people follow along like a flock of sheep. And of course it becomes almost sacriligeous to mention the obvious facts of the matter – as McCarten has done in calm and measured tones.
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December 5, 2010 5:25pm
Zhumao

Inventory2: Knock another 10 points off your 25 IQ.

He should most likely go to jail, is a personal opinion. But that does not mean I think he should be put in jail now. Because we need to hold off for the results of the inquiry for that. And then a criminal trial.

No contradiction there whatsoever.
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December 5, 2010 5:30pm
mike tan

flip

“I hope he gets thrown to the dogs”
“He is a complete and utter fucken fraud”

flop

“From what I know already, I am not confident enough to say he should be slung in jail, or that he is guilty of criminal negligence. I am confident enough, however, based on the facts to date, that he, as CEO, and principal under the Health and Safety Act 1992, should resign.”

Commentators:

It should be noted that Zhumao is a loon

-He defends the murder/starvation of citizens (to the bitter end)
-He believes Asian’s are “racially superior” to Europeans
-He believes that the availability of basic human rights to humans worldwide should be subject to governmental policy and “others should butt out”

He is bittersweet, that one harbours such extremist views and seems to genuinely believe he is correct is bitter, that one is so childish in terms of how he pleads his case is just plain funny.
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December 5, 2010 5:36pm
mike tan

Zhuamo, i don’t think you are in any position to be estimating the IQ level of others; that you think you are is in itself an example of your buffoon like logic.

You are a walking, talking communist propoganda robot.
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December 5, 2010 5:40pm
flipper

Zhumao….
Four, or is it five hours later, and you are still digging the hole in which you (along with your virgin loving, murderous namesake) will remain for eternity.
On the other hand, you could, if you have the intelligence to apply yourself, learn something from the Socratic west.
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December 5, 2010 5:51pm
Zhumao

Yes. The same West which murdered at a minimum 50 million Africans and Asians in the first half of the 20th Century.

“….These colonizers turned Africa into one giant gulag, with each colony being like a separate camp…..Based on this research, I’m willing to estimate that over all of colonized Africa and Asia 1900 to independence, the democide was something like 50 million. This is way above my original 870,000. Even 50 million may be too conservative.” R J Rummel
http://tinyurl.com/2cf8sfp

Sorry. The devloping world will find its own path. And China, for one is doing pretty well.

Compared to those countries which follow the Western ‘democratic’ prescription – far more murderous than anything communism can even be accused of.

http://tinyurl.com/24upx6g
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December 5, 2010 6:01pm
alex Masterley

Just been reading this after a long weekend out and about. One question? Is Zhumao the duty troll this weekend?
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December 5, 2010 6:04pm
reid

“Because of a media beat-up and desire to create a sensation and drama where one guy is the hero (Whittall) and another the villain (Superindendent Knowles).”

Fucking d’oh Zhumao.

I explained above. Whittall is currently rated by NZ for what he actually did, not for how the media portrayed him as he was doing it.

This was the most serious onshore industrial accident NZ has had in living memory. 29 people have lost their lives. Extraordinary situations require extraordinary reactions. The reason NZer’s rate Whittall for his response is because he did respond, magnificently, under extreme pressure. He didn’t fold he didn’t collapse he didn’t shirk he didn’t hide he didn’t obfuscate he didn’t take any wrong decisions once the conflagration started and hasn’t yet to date.

This is why he rates. NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THE MEDIA HAS SAID OR DONE.

Failing to understand this is a fundamental geo-political flaw in understanding how NZers think and if, instead of being an engineer you’re really the NZ Specialist at the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs I hope your boss is reading for I doubt you’ll be getting glowing reports for your perspicacity over this one.
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December 5, 2010 6:07pm
Zhumao

Of course one of the most murderous regimes in the 20th Century (if we apply the same standards to Western countries as is applied to Socialist countries when it comes to a definition of ‘murder’) is the New Zealand colonial regime in Samoa, whose almost wilful negligence and refusal to accept outside medical help was the direct cause of Samoa losing an incredible 22% of its population to the influenza epidemic.

The American Commander offered to send volunteer medical personnel to help. Western Samoa’s administrator stubbornly refused…American Samoa remained the only country in the world in which not a single person died during the pandemic of 1918. In neighboring Western Samoa, just a few miles away, more than one-fifth of the entire population died, probably the highest percentage of any country in the world

http://birdflubook.com/a.php?id=93&t=p

So anyone who supports the New Zealand ‘democracy’, is to Mike Tan, “equally guilty of pulling the trigger” (in his own words).
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December 5, 2010 6:09pm
mike tan

Zhumao, remember in the last thread where i posted all that information pertaining to your motherland and its treatment of its citizens?

You proceeded to ignore all of it, started calling me names and got back to your bullshit.

Why is it that you are so afraid of addressing those issues Zhumao? Is there a clause in your contract that says that you are not allowed to discuss certain things?
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December 5, 2010 6:12pm
Zhumao

“This is why he rates. NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THE MEDIA HAS SAID OR DONE.”

For fucks sake Reid. You are just fucken deluded. What was Whittall supposed to fucken do? He is a glib cunt. That’s all.

Failing to understand this is a fundamental geo-political flaw in understanding how NZers think

So Matt McCarten is not a New Zealander? And what the fuck has ‘geo-political’ flaws got to with it? ROFL

[DPF: 20 demerits for cunt]
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December 5, 2010 6:12pm
Zhumao

The reason NZer’s rate Whittall for his response is because he did respond, magnificently, under extreme pressure.

So what the fuck did Whittall really do apart from be an effective communicator – at least to those who can’t spot a hollywood?

Come on.
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December 5, 2010 6:14pm
MT_Tinman

Zhumao, How do you know Whittall hasn’t offered his resignation?
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December 5, 2010 6:14pm
mike tan

And whats the deal with all the flip flopping?

eg.

flip

“I hope he gets thrown to the dogs”
“He is a complete and utter fucken fraud”

flop

“From what I know already, I am not confident enough to say he should be slung in jail, or that he is guilty of criminal negligence. I am confident enough, however, based on the facts to date, that he, as CEO, and principal under the Health and Safety Act 1992, should resign.”

For someone who claims to be a Professional Engineer you certainly have a extremely hard time making up your mind.

Oh and what was the talk of racial superiority about? Care to back peddle on that also?

You racist twat
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December 5, 2010 6:16pm
Zhumao

New Zealand’s ‘murder’ of Samoans of course would be the equivalent of Mao killing 176 million Chinese….although I suppose the West will be accusing him of this within a decade…hahahahahaha.
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December 5, 2010 6:17pm
Zhumao

Oh and what was the talk of racial superiority about?

Come on. Where did I talk of Chinese racial superiority? Care to requote here? You fucken liar.
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December 5, 2010 6:18pm
mike tan

How you can relate two event’s that are such polar opposite’s of each other so casually is just amazing.

Keep cherry picking which response’s you wish to reply to, its honestly funny how scared you are when it comes to facing the music.

EDIT: I’m not requoting that vile hatred over here, everyone know’s you said it, how about you defend your position instead of flip flopping?

I fear for the project’s you work on if you are infact a Professional (we highly doubt you are anything but a social engineer).
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December 5, 2010 6:19pm
Zhumao

Come on Mike Tan. You call me a ‘racist twat’. You have made a direct accusation. Now I want you to provide the evidence. If you cannot you are an outright liar. So come on. Provide the quote.
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December 5, 2010 6:21pm
mike tan

It’s also interesting to note that out of these three thing’s here:

-He defends the murder/starvation of citizens (to the bitter end)
-He believes Asian’s are “racially superior” to Europeans
-He believes that the availability of basic human rights to humans worldwide should be subject to governmental policy and “others should butt out”

You only jump to the defense of the middle (however we already know you are a racist pig so your flip flopping isn’t doing you any favors).
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December 5, 2010 6:24pm
Swampy

“wreck1080 (1,343) Says:
December 5th, 2010 at 11:28 am”

The amount of nastiness and finger pointing that is already coming out before the Royal Commission has even started its work is proof enough of how messy it is going to get for the key players in this.

Sure, Whittall is the CEO and he should step down, and who knows that he won’t? That is entirely different from whether he was actually responsible for causing the deaths of the 29 miners.

But the fact that you have a columnist who is prepared to use their spot in a daily newspaper to attack him out of hand before any process has been started at all (and at the same time attacking all and sundry on politics grounds) speaks volumes for how this is going to be handled by the union movement. Already there has been a row over the company bringing in its lawyers and attempting to ensure the process so far is not being dominated by the union with its political agenda. It looks like turn back the clock 100 years already. It starts to look like payback, and then John Armstrong’s comments in the Herald a few weeks back don’t look so out of place.
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December 5, 2010 6:24pm
mike tan

Before you go around commanding me to do things, how about you address this post that you seem so afraid to answer?

“Zhumao, remember in the last thread where i posted all that information pertaining to your motherland and its treatment of its citizens?

You proceeded to ignore all of it, started calling me names and got back to your bullshit.

Why is it that you are so afraid of addressing those issues Zhumao? Is there a clause in your contract that says that you are not allowed to discuss certain things?”
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December 5, 2010 6:26pm
Zhumao

The middle one is something I can quickly catch you out on you fucken twerp, because it comes almost like a direct quote.

Now. Where have I said that I believe Asian’s are ‘racially superior’ to Europeans?

Where? Come on. Anyone happening to read will be able to see you for the filthy fucken liar you are.
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December 5, 2010 6:26pm
Zhumao

Mike Tan……still waiting…..will give you another half hour to ‘prove’ I am a racist. That should be ample time for you to trawl through previous posts.
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December 5, 2010 6:33pm
Swampy

“Zhumao (394) Says:
December 5th, 2010 at 4:54 pm”

Scue me Zmumao this is not your forum so piss off. Get a life or something.
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December 5, 2010 6:34pm
Nomestradamus

Zhumao:

I am confident enough, however, based on the facts to date, that he, as CEO, and principal under the Health and Safety Act 1992, should resign.”

So you’re confident?

Let’s take your legal knowledge for a test drive.

Point 1: you got the name of the statute wrong – it’s the Health and Safety in Employment Act 1992.

Point 2: you appear to have misunderstood the definition of “principal”, which is:

principal means a person who or that engages any person (otherwise than as an employee) to do any work for gain or reward

What do the words “otherwise than as an employee” mean to you? Are you saying that the 29 victims of the Pike River tragedy were not employees?

*Waits patiently for Zhumao’s public retraction*
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December 5, 2010 6:36pm
Zhumao

Scue me Zmumao this is not your forum so piss off.

It belongs to you?
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December 5, 2010 6:36pm
Blue Coast

Zhumao
A engineer uses facts and logic in their profression. Clearly you missed class that day. I had very close relatives in the mine 30 minutes before the explosion so to clarify a point I know a little more than you about the previoius shift conditions and can only say F…..k off.

You are just proving to all on this site that you IQ is clearly below those of most engineers.

Do you honestly think the miners would let their mates go down if they had experiened methane problems.

FFS
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December 5, 2010 6:37pm
mike tan

“That supports my claim of, yes, Asian racial superiority re crime – regardless of the magnitude of organized crime”

– Zhumao

Remember that?

Arsewipe.

Once again Zhumao, i think this is the fourth time, can we just conclude that you have no answer or rebuttal to the following post?

“Zhumao, remember in the last thread where i posted all that information pertaining to your motherland and its treatment of its citizens?

You proceeded to ignore all of it, started calling me names and got back to your bullshit.

Why is it that you are so afraid of addressing those issues Zhumao? Is there a clause in your contract that says that you are not allowed to discuss certain things?”
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December 5, 2010 6:46pm
davidp

Alex Masterley>Just been reading this after a long weekend out and about. One question? Is Zhumao the duty troll this weekend?

That’s about it. To bring you up to speed, Zhumao is a great example of Fenqing, or “Angry Youth” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenqing) …sort of a Chinese version of Islamic Rage Boy.

In his odd world, all people with white skin are collectively responsible for all crimes committed by any western country as far back as any one can remember. We might be in NZ, but we’re responsible for Lithuanians, Greeks, Canadians, and possibly Peruvians. Altho I’m not 100 percent sure that Peruvians qualify as white under Zhumao’s rules of racial purity. More specifically, the great great grandparents of modern British people repressed Zhumao’s great great grandparents and he’s still pissed off about it. We’re all personally guilty and he’s organising some sort of criminal action to punish us. He hates us.

In Zhumao’s world, historical misbehaviour excuses current misbehaviour. You might mention that Chinese aren’t allowed to vote. Zhumao will point out that ancient Etruscans weren’t allowed to vote either, so that makes it okay. He is opposed to us commenting about Chinese affairs, and feels it is arrogant of us to do so. But at the same time he has barged in to a mostly-NZ web site, monopolised every comments thread, and tells us what we are and aren’t allowed to talk about. Zhumao doesn’t let irony get in his way.

Zhumao’s been feeling humiliated for everything that happened in China before the late 1940s. No one else here understands why he doesn’t just get over it. Zhumao feels inferior. We all agree. Zhumao has been basically owned and mocked in every thread he has joined here. Which is most of them.

This is all self-perpetuating. Because of the one child policy and widespread abortion of females, Zhumao is unlikely to ever mate. But, 100 years from now there will be an angry Chinese boy who will set out to avenge the humiliation that Zhumao has suffered at the hands of evil NZers. He will make it his life’s mission to make the NZers of the years 2110 suffer for poor Zhumao’s humiliation. And so the world goes on.
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December 5, 2010 6:47pm
reid

“For fucks sake Reid. You are just fucken deluded. What was Whittall supposed to fucken do? He is a glib cunt. That’s all.”

glib:

a : marked by ease and informality : nonchalant
b : showing little forethought or preparation : offhand
c : lacking depth and substance : superficial
2
archaic : smooth, slippery
3
: marked by ease and fluency in speaking or writing often to the point of being insincere or deceitful

Really? If he was I doubt we would have seen the reactions from him that we have seen. Of course if you were of the mindset that found him guilty based on the fact it happened in the first place, you’d have no problem seeing him that way.

Suggest you retire on this issue Zhumao, for you clearly know not of what of you speak, even if you are a professional engineer, I’m not sure I see much of that discipline emerging in your comments to date.
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December 5, 2010 6:47pm
mike tan

Excellent post davidp, now sit back and watch Zhumao completely ignore all of it, it’s something he is quite good at.

When faced with the truth, he either make’s some completely illogical argument (usually by shifting the post’s north of a mile) or he just completely ignore’s the opinion and continue’s on with whatever he was previously saying.

It’s amusing really.
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December 5, 2010 6:52pm
Inventory2

Given that Zhumao has used the “C” word, and has repeatedly told people to “f*ck off”, an e-mail or two ought to be enough to see him benched. At the risk of losing the remaining 15 IQ points he alleges me to possess (+ or – 5 points), I will opine that Kiwiblog will be a much nicer place without him 🙂
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December 5, 2010 6:56pm
Zhumao

“That supports my claim of, yes, Asian racial superiority re crime – regardless of the magnitude of organized crime”

Thats all? …..that was in rebuttal to a whole lot of yellow peril bullshit put out by a poster called Kris K….And I have since made clear that I do not think differences in rates of criminal offending have anything to do with inherent genetic differences.

And yes, East Asians commit less crime than other races, at least in the West. Especially when it comes to sex crimes. But not because of inherent genetic reasons.

My comment is mild as you can get, compared to the contributions of other posters here, compared to say Reid’s continual claims of a genetic basis, a racialist basis, to explain differences in behaviour of Asians and whites.

Anything else? Asswipe.
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December 5, 2010 7:05pm
Zhumao

Nomestradamus: stop quibbling. Principal and Employer overlap. The principal thing is brought in so that employers cannot wash their hands of safety issues regarding the safety of the employees of the contractors they employ. So Whittall would have likely been both. But ok. Point taken. He is an employer then. Who is equally if not more responsible for those directly under him,than the principal;. That you assume that because he may not have in this case, at least in respect to his employees, the ‘principal’ that this would absolve him of direct responsibility is completely deluded. In fact as ’employer’ he is if anything even more responsible. Not less.
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December 5, 2010 7:10pm
Komata

FWIW

A casual reading of the numerous postings that have appeared from the pen of the correspondent who writes under the nom-de-computer of ‘Zhumao’, over the last few days, would seem to indicate that our esteemed oriental ‘visitor-monopolist’ is not New Zealand-born and that he believes that the use of an obscenity (and a very consistent use of one specific obscenity at that), is an essential part of almost every reply that he gives. There is however a minor problem in respect of spelling the often-used word , which largely negates the effect that is being sort, and reduces its ‘charm’ and impact. (Kiwi-born readers will be aware to what I am referring).

The other notable aspects of the ‘tirade’ to which we have been subjected, are that there is a marked lack of both local knowledge and custom in relation to New Zealand culture in respect of respect for the dead etc, and the status of a Royal Commision of Enquiry within New Zealand law. There is in addition a very marked lack of objectivity in the replies that are received, and a consistent ‘attack’ mode against those who reply – ‘playing the man, rather than the ball’ (Kiwi’s will be aware of the significance of the analogy), which, along with the other points already noted, does tend to minimise the effect, to the point that one tends to ignore the responses a la’ a certain (unlamented) Mr. Ure; again, an action which really must necessarily neutralise any (coherent) points which ‘Zhu Mao’ (whomever he/she is) might have made.

No doubt the response to what I have written will be in the form of vitriolic invective, directed against my person, which will I suspect, merely confirm such suspicions that some of us may hold.

But then again, I could be wrong . . .

as i said, FWIW – watch this space.
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December 5, 2010 7:11pm
Nomestradamus

Zhumao:

That you assume that because he may not have in this case, at least in respect to his employees, the ‘principal’ that this would absolve him of direct responsibility is completely deluded. In fact as ‘employer’ he is if anything even more responsible. Not less.

And where do I assume this? Quote my exact words, please. I don’t recall expressing a view either way, and I have no intention of doing so, until the Royal Commission has ascertained all of the relevant facts.
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December 5, 2010 7:15pm
Fletch

A promotional video for a new Norwegian show that’s gone viral. Features any Hollywood actor they could get their hands on to sing Let It Be (in We Are The World fashion). Actually it’s amazing how well some of them sing. A case of spot that star (although they are labelled).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cNHCP3juQ&feature=player_embedded
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December 5, 2010 7:19pm
cha

The Sod is back
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December 5, 2010 7:19pm
Zhumao

for everything that happened in China before the late 1940s.

So the Jews should just ‘get over’ the Holocaust. The Poles, Katyn, and New Zealanders and Australians, Japanese atrocities towards POW’s right? Just forget it?

“In his odd world, all people with white skin are collectively responsible for all crimes committed by any western country as far back as any one can remember. We might be in NZ, but we’re responsible for Lithuanians, Greeks, Canadians, and possibly Peruvians. “

Where have I ever said this? Where have I mentioned ‘collective’ responsibility. What I have said is the West berating China over ‘human rights’ is the equivalent of say a hypothetical non-de-nazified germany beating up New Zealand over the seabed and foreshore issue. Utter hypocrisy. That of course is completely different from holding individuals responsible. Nations can be however.

“We’re all personally guilty and he’s organising some sort of criminal action to punish us.”

Not criminal action. Because of course all those criminally responsible are dead. But certainly action to demand compensation, because many of the same actors around at the time, in the form of corporations, successor nations, etc still exist and this wealth has a way of being traced. No different from someone claiming against the estate of your ancestor. Nothing to do with ‘punishing’ anyone.

And as I have made clear. Even if the eventual ruling goes in our favour, we would be unlikely to demand compensation due to us, because we would not want to hurt the ordinary British people. It would simply be a moral victory, the ruling in our favour implemented only if Britain continued to harass and bully China.

“More specifically, the great great grandparents of modern British people repressed Zhumao’s great great grandparents and he’s still pissed off about it. “

Bullshit. The Russians treated us badly also. As did the Italians. The Russians still occupy vast swathes of land (outer manchuria) that use to be China’s. We have relinquished claims on this. And bygones are bygones. But why? Because Russians, or Italians, rarely bully China today, Russia in particular, over so called human rights, and Tibet and Taiwan.

If the US and UK would give up their self-righteous drivel, the past would be the past. But they do not. So we need to bring up the past in self-defense.
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December 5, 2010 7:22pm
Johnboy

Looks like you are still not getting enough deer velvet then Zhumao. 🙂
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December 5, 2010 7:29pm
Zhumao

…the status of a Royal Commision of Enquiry within New Zealand law.

Komata….when has the sacking or resignation of a CEO required a Royal Commisison of enquiry?
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December 5, 2010 7:31pm
joana

Mike Tan…we got the racial superiority bit..it is very thinly disguised. I am not an engineer but I am surrounded by them , none of them carry on like this bloke..he has to be young too to have so much time to endlessly repeat himself.
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December 5, 2010 7:49pm
pentwig

Obviously DPF is not monitoring GD currently.

The commie bum has used the c word often enough to get banned forever.

Roll on that blissful day.

[DPF: No I don’t monitor GD much. But people have e-mailed the abuse address and I suggest you check the demerits page]
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December 5, 2010 7:57pm
Inventory2

@ pentwig – all it takes is an e-mail to david@farrar.com and the demerits should start to flow ….
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December 5, 2010 8:01pm
Johnboy

The Chinese have never been able to learn to speak Latin correctly.

Perhaps you should give online lessons IV2. 🙂
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December 5, 2010 8:01pm
reid

“…compared to say Reid’s continual claims of a genetic basis, a racialist basis, to explain differences in behaviour of Asians and whites.”

No I use Craniometry not genetics to explain difference in behaviour between Whites and Asians Zhumao. I thought you would have picked that up by reading between the lines.

You’re a bit slow, aren’t you.
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December 5, 2010 8:11pm
WebWrat

Zhumao.

Your man had 50 million die on his watch.
Did he resign?
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December 5, 2010 8:14pm
davidp

DPF> No I don’t monitor GD much. But people have e-mailed the abuse address and I suggest you check the demerits page

There were 5 or 6 c-words on Friday night, and more f-words than I could count. It’s like Angry Boy has tourettes.
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December 5, 2010 8:35pm
Hurf Durf

Zhumao is like phool but capable of stringing together a complete sentence.
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December 5, 2010 8:41pm
big bruv

Hurf….please do not tempt fate by mentioning THAT name.
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December 5, 2010 8:56pm
Viking2

bviously DPF is not monitoring GD currently.

The commie bum has used the c word often enough to get banned forever.

Roll on that blissful day.

[DPF: No I don’t monitor GD much. But people have e-mailed the abuse address and I suggest you check the demerits page]

Well done.
Good thats a weeks peace without that nutcase.
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December 5, 2010 9:00pm
Rick Rowling

Zhumao, I’m sorry no one’s listening to you.

Here are a couple of pointers:

(1) If you bury your argument under too much ad hominem, not only does the subject of your argument get lost in the detritus, but you look defensive as if supporting a weak position, or are just a poor debater who has to fall back on personal insult instead of rational argument. Either way you lose credibility and respect.

(2) If you’re going to use a nom-de-plume, it’s completely pointless asserting anything about yourself. It is unverifiable and worthless.

I can claim to be a professional engineer, an expat kiwi woman living in Australia named jennifer, someone who’s never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, but hey, I may as well claim that there’s a teacup in orbit around the moon – it’s unverifiable and therefore pointless.

/For my money, I reckon you’re an ACT party hack who’s trying to radicalise people in the centre-right with the OTT diatribes 😉
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December 5, 2010 9:02pm
Viking2

The utterly inevitable creep of the zealots.

http://www.macdoctor.co.nz/2010/12/05/prediction/

For a quick look at the future – after we have succumbed to the hysteria and reduced our blood alcohol driving to 0.05% (50mg/100ml) – we need look no further than today’s news:

“The Australian Transport Council this week released a discussion document calling for the national alcohol limit to be reduced to 20mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood. Some states, such as Victoria, already have a limit of 50mg, which is 30mg lower than New Zealand’s 80mg.”
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December 5, 2010 9:03pm
RobbieBlack

He has gone, suspended for a week, good one DPF.

I tell you what though, the little fella could type.
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December 6, 2010 12:20am
Viking2

Is this fellow a unionist as well. Seems he is National’s answer to Chris Carter.

PM urged to take Finlayson off foreshore duties
By Audrey Young
5:30 AM Monday Dec 6, 2010

The Coastal Coalition wants Prime Minister John Key to remove Attorney-General Chris Finlayson from foreshore and seabed repeal bill duties after he attacked the group as “clowns” and “profoundly sickening”.

Spokeswoman Muriel Newman said his attack – in the midst of the select committee process – was so personal it showed he was not being open-minded as a minister in charge of a bill needed to be.

She was writing to the Prime Minister yesterday, before her appearance today before the Maori Affairs select committee in Whangarei on the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill.

Nasty little man and scum list MP.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10692354
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December 6, 2010 7:07am
Pete George

Spokeswoman Muriel Newman – in the midst of the select committee process – is trying to get some advance publicity for her submission?
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