General Debate 27 December 2010

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metcalph

Helen Clark’s really been stung by the Wikileaks.

A denial of the Fonterra story was understandable.

But to complain that the US were bullies over the Michael Moore fuss? It would have been wiser to keep silent over something rather trivial.

And now she’s claiming that the wikileaks cables have damaged the image of the US in NZ? Methinks the woman does protest too much.
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December 27, 2010 9:39am
TripeWryter

I thought I was going to be first.

Bugger …
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December 27, 2010 9:50am
Manolo

The indefatigable Lindsay Mitchell makes it to today’s Herald: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10696647

It’s time for the welfare state to be reformed.
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December 27, 2010 9:51am
Komata

Smoke would indicate fire, so bring on the Wikileaks – and watch DL make an absolute fool of herself (and about time too). She can dish it out but she sure can’t take it . . . . .

Now if the MSM were to be as ‘vigilant’ about DL as they are about John Key it could be ‘interesting’ to read what they ‘uncover’ but as they always look after their own . . .
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December 27, 2010 9:51am
DRHILL

Just saw the Doctor Who X-mas Special through “Alternative Methods”
Great episode, however pissed off that America and Australia get it 12-24 hours after it’s aired and NZ TV will have to wait up to 6 months for it!
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December 27, 2010 10:14am
All_on_Red

Great articles from Pointman.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/the-msm-and-climate-alarmism/

http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/why-climategate-was-not-a-computer-hack/
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December 27, 2010 10:16am
jaba

Lindsay Mitchall must be crazy to print that .. bloody rednecks
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December 27, 2010 10:31am
Fale Andrew Lesa

😀

Personally, I fully endorse Helen Clark’s position on America and the wiki-leaks saga. America has proven time and time again that its foreign policy outlook is based solely on self-interest, and self-gain. There is an ocean of examples to support this (and as able-bodied and politically-active citizens I’m sure you’re all aware of them – more or less) observation.

The US government has learnt a valuable lesson from this saga – the world no longer revolves around their self-interest. We have already pledged loyalty to China and its ‘slum dog trillionaires’.
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December 27, 2010 10:53am
CHFR

Wikileaks the gift that just keeps on giving.

I was a bit upset that the Herald yet again gave platform to the wierd utterances of out unlamented ex-Prime Minister but have to admit what was printed just makes her look so petty.

As an aside does anyone else finds it a bit strange that she is on holiday in NZ. Maybe having to pay for herself makes Ms Clark a bit more frugal??
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December 27, 2010 10:55am
Interested Party

I’m a bit slow today but who is DL
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December 27, 2010 10:55am
Fletch

DRHILL (51) Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Just saw the Doctor Who X-mas Special through “Alternative Methods”
Great episode, however pissed off that America and Australia get it 12-24 hours after it’s aired and NZ TV will have to wait up to 6 months for it!

DRHILL – me too! I watched it last night. Great take on Dickens ey?
I agree about the timing. We got reruns of 5 episodes of Dr Who yesterday on Prime, but we’ll probably end up getting this latest Christmas special some time in July…. lol

Christmas episodes should be seen at Christmas (and I don’t mean waiting until next year).
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December 27, 2010 11:05am
TripeWryter

I see that Stuff has swallowed uncritically more, well, ‘stuff’ from Save Animals from Exploitation.

Read down into the story, supplied by Safe, and we find that the animal cruelty, if it happened, is historical, and is hearsay.

MAF confirms that four complaints had been made, and here’s the interesting point: no laws were broken and breaches of the animal welfare code were found.

Some pigs apparently had stood knee-deep in muck, either their own, others’, or just general. Has anyone never seen a pig standing in muck. Has anyone never seen a pig rolling in it.

Has no-one never thought that pigs might think differently about ‘muck’ from what humans do?

The Dominion Post the other day suggested that US diplomats in Wellington should get out more. Quite right. Perhaps its reporters should do, too. Go out to farms. Then they might discover that – lo! – pigs are pigs, and not sort-of humans.
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December 27, 2010 11:11am
backster

Manolo 9.51……..'”T.he indefatigable Lindsay Mitchell makes it to today’s Herald:”

She invariably makes sound logical commonsense and expresses it well. The Herald might start to restore its’ declining appeal if they made her a regular columnist. The Government would be acting more in tune with those who elected them if they took her advice, instead of motivating the production of more meal ticket children as soon as the eldest such child in a unit turns five.
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December 27, 2010 11:18am
nickb

Great article by Lindsay Mitchell, I am surprised the Herald found it fit to print, it might have offended their PC sensibilities.
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December 27, 2010 11:36am
Don the Kiwi

Interested party.

10.55 am.

DL is abreviation for “Dear Leader” – a satirical title for Helen Clark.
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December 27, 2010 11:41am
MT_Tinman

Fletch (1,692) Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
DRHILL (51) Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Just saw the Doctor Who X-mas Special through “Alternative Methods”
Great episode, however pissed off that America and Australia get it 12-24 hours after it’s aired and NZ TV will have to wait up to 6 months for it!

DRHILL – me too! I watched it last night. Great take on Dickens ey?
I agree about the timing. We got reruns of 5 episodes of Dr Who yesterday on Prime, but we’ll probably end up getting this latest Christmas special some time in July…. lol

Christmas episodes should be seen at Christmas (and I don’t mean waiting until next year).

Fantastic idea!

Why don’t you two go out and buy a television outfit, buy the rights and do exactly that?
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December 27, 2010 12:45pm
Manolo

Key and English’s legacy of their “courageous and decisive” government: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10696710

Don’t we all love the ETS?
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December 27, 2010 12:47pm
Fletch

Tinman, sounds good. A station devoted to all Dr Who all the time…. lol
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December 27, 2010 12:58pm
Fletch

Awww, Hugh Hefner, aged 84, has just gotten engaged – to his 24 year old girlfriend….LOL

Lucky for some, ey?
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December 27, 2010 1:00pm
tristanb

Some pigs apparently had stood knee-deep in muck, either their own, others’, or just general.

And not just that, the pigs were kept naked! And they weren’t allowed to have lawyers, or even to argue in their own defence.

With so much real cruelty towards animals committed by psychopaths (i.e. the seals, dog’s ears, bird sanctuary in Temuka, nails through cat’s head, etc. [list would go on forever]) I wish they’d concentrate on this, rather than the relatively humane conditions on NZ farms.
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December 27, 2010 1:20pm
TripeWryter

Thank you, Tristanb …
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December 27, 2010 2:47pm
Manolo

Karl du Frene at his best: http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2010/12/bring-us-more-caviar-waiter.html
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December 27, 2010 2:53pm
immigant

http://www.economist.com/node/17733061

Reminds me of stuff
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December 27, 2010 4:11pm
john.bt

CHFR @ 10.55… “Maybe having to pay for herself makes Ms Clark a bit more frugal ??” Hilarious. She has only cost us about $75,000 in the last couple of years for her travel. We will NEVER stop paying for this woman.
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December 27, 2010 4:14pm
Manolo

Bullshit research beyond absurdity: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/8214222/Christmas-trees-make-non-Christians-feel-excluded.html
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December 27, 2010 4:16pm
Fletch

Manolo, looks like a load of bollocks to me too. I would have thought that even those who are not Christian are attracted by a tree covered with lights and shiny baubles. Most don’t display any overtly Christian symbols either.

The fact is, Christmas trees are nice to look at.
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December 27, 2010 5:07pm
reid

Bullshit research beyond absurdity:

Researchers at Simon Fraser University in Canada, found non-Christians feel less self-assured and have fewer positive feelings if a Christmas tree was in the room.

The scientists conducted the study using 77 Christians and 57 non-believers, including Buddhists and Sikhs.

Good spotting Manalo. I wonder what they’d find if they tested Christians and Hindus against say Muslims, re: The Haj? Honestly it’s like Keystone Cops isn’t it, some of this Tavistock stuff.
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December 27, 2010 5:12pm
Redbaiter

A quote from an article on David Horowitz’s blog-

The Left thinks that if its members can chip away at the fabric of our society long enough, they can replace our values with those of their own making — belief in the state and the collective, rather than in the individual. It’s no stretch whatsoever to see that the battle over Christmas is but a small part of a battle over what this nation, what our families, what our society, and what our belief system as a whole is.

Well worth thinking about.
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December 27, 2010 5:28pm
Hurf Durf

America has proven time and time again that its foreign policy outlook is based solely on self-interest, and self-gain.

Yeah. And? So does and so should every other country in the world, unless you’re one of those idiots who believes in liberal foreign policy.
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December 27, 2010 9:04pm
Redbaiter

“And not just that, the pigs were kept naked! And they weren’t allowed to have lawyers, or even to argue in their own defence.”

Even worse than all that, they weren’t permitted to marry each other.
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December 27, 2010 9:35pm
hj

Machete attacks.
Are we ignoring the seeds being sown in society by radicals, including the Maori Party? Tarianas not o.k
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December 28, 2010 6:53am
Komata

hj

Naaah – it’s just the oppressed indigenous peoples exercising their suppressed cultural inclinations and resisting the white colonialist invader – the ‘tirity says they can . . .
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