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metcalph

Nothing about Zaoui in the wikileaks? I wonder what all those who were claiming we were acting at american interests had to say.
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December 20, 2010 8:03am
Lazybum

Are the Greens taking the brunt for the Pike River disaster? Polling under 5% in the latest TV1 poll. Hope the trend continues.
Remember, snails & blue ducks are more important than miners lives.
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December 20, 2010 8:08am
Lazybum

See the UK is suffering under the weight of Global Warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8212468/Travel-misery-continues-for-millions-heading-for-Christmas-getaway.html
See the average Dec temp is 5 deg C below average. 3 severe winters in a row now, but the question is: Is this weather or climate?
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December 20, 2010 8:13am
Komata

It would appear that Phillip G still adamantly and vociferously believes he has done nothing wrong in lying about the disposal of his Wellington Flat. This from a wannabe Prime Minister? By their deeds you shall know them. . .
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December 20, 2010 8:15am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Nothing about Peter Davis in Wikileaks?
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December 20, 2010 8:24am
mattyroo

I wouldn’t normally condone the media and their hounding of someone, for really what is worthless news. However, in the case of Mark Hotchin, I say: Sic ’em!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695474

Make the pricks’ life as uncomfortable as possible.
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December 20, 2010 8:27am
Manolo

And a lie told ten years ago by the warmists:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
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December 20, 2010 8:27am
Pete George

The weather in NZ has been unusually settled and warm over the last couple of months.

Any climate change will be variable, while overall temperatures may move one way or the other local effects could be either with or opposite to that trend.

The Gulf Stream keeps the UK and Europe unusually warm for it’s latitude, if that is disrupted it could easily cool Europe. It is thought that Europe cooled down after a massive release of melted water from North America stalled the Gulf Stream after the last ice age.
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December 20, 2010 8:27am
bchapman

People still don’t get the difference between climate and weather- maybe DPF could do a post explaining.
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December 20, 2010 8:33am
mattyroo

Overseas borrowers, who are expected to make regular loan repayments unless they opt for a three-year repayment holiday, have a collective debt of more than $2 billion.

So $2,000,000,000 owing to the taxpayers of NZ – that is ~8 weeks of borrowing by the drunken sailors Key and English!

For the past few months, IRD had been matching data with Australian customs officials to track defaulters and send letters about how to repay loans. There had been a good response, with $220,000 already repaid by those who had not previously made payments.

I don’t know whose opinion deems the recovery of 0.011% of a bad debt a “good response” – but I’ll be fucked if I think it is a good response! With the massive bureaucracy that is IRD, I’ll bet my balls that it has cost more than 200 nicker to get that good response!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4475102/IRD-gets-tough-on-student-loan-debtors
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December 20, 2010 8:36am
James Stephenson

Are the Greens taking the brunt for the Pike River disaster? Polling under 5% in the latest TV1 poll. Hope the trend continues.
Remember, snails & blue ducks are more important than miners lives.

I’d be more inclined to ascribe it to the lack of Jeanette’s soft “authentically Green” presence filtering through. Nice to see Espiner.G hopefully spinning it as a “statistical blip”.
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December 20, 2010 8:38am
Lazybum

However, there seems to be a lot of cold weather happening that surely should not happen in the frequency it is. The ‘it’s weather, not climate’ line starts to wear thin when winters are colder. CO2 is not the driver we are led to believe, after all, average tempertures have not increased dramatically over past 10 years despite 5% increase in CO2.
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December 20, 2010 8:40am
Pete George

Nice to see Espiner.G hopefully spinning it as a “statistical blip”.

I’d expect Labour to be desperately hoping it’s a “statistical blip” as well, they need the Greens in their calculations of hope for 2011, not that the Greens have agreed to anything openly.

I won’t be surprised if it’s post-Jeannette waning, if it proves to be the case expect post election Labour wailing.
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December 20, 2010 8:46am
James Stephenson

Lazybum – it’s really simple, as bchapman said above, you need to be aware of the difference between “Climate” and “weather”.

When it’s hot, this is “Climate Change” but when it’s cold it’s only “weather”.

HTH
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December 20, 2010 8:48am
jinpy

Sounds excellent lazybum — why don’t you write it up into a paper and submit it to Nature .
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December 20, 2010 8:53am
Inventory2

@ Mattyroo – couldn’t agree more. Hotchin is getting nothing less than he deserves. It’s nice to see too that the Securities Commission has turned its attention to Eric Watson as well.
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December 20, 2010 8:54am
bhudson

Apparently Bank of America has announced it will no longer process payments for wikileaks.

Wikileaks has responded that it will be releasing documents showing unethical practises at a bank (believed to be Bank of America.) there has been no previous threat/announcement to do this that I am aware of.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/4474783/WikiLeaks-payments-cut-off

Perhaps Assange should change the name to wikiblackmail. As Orwell noted – All power corrupts…
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December 20, 2010 8:57am
Lazybum

Jinpy – will probably have for more truthful information than the articles it does print. As a scientist (from a former life) a lot of the papers in Nature are of poor quality. Thats what happens when it is an agenda.
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December 20, 2010 9:06am
adze

bhudson – no there have been earlier announcements of releases pertaining to one or more “large american banks” for several weeks. The scuttlebutt has it as Bank of America.
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December 20, 2010 9:07am
jinpy

After reading some of the Wikileaks cables off stuff you have to ask the question why more of this information isn’t freely available. Imagine going to the website of a government department and being able to see what they’ve actually been doing.

bhudson, talk of a Bank of America leak has been out for a while. Interestingly, your comment didn’t seem to note that obviously Bank of America is engaging in a form of blackmail or coercion as well. R u really rushing to defend a bank that may have been operating unethically?
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December 20, 2010 9:10am
stephen

there has been no previous threat/announcement to do this that I am aware of.

Dec 2:

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Forbes magazine last month that the nonprofit group, which released a huge cache of sensitive U.S. diplomatic correspondence this week, plans to release thousands of documents from a major U.S. bank early next year, spurring speculation that Bank of America could be the target.

Assange did not identify the bank. But in a separate interview 13 months ago, Assange told Computerworld magazine that his organization had obtained a five-gigabyte hard drive from an unidentified Bank of America executive. Still, Bank of America said it has no contact with WikiLeaks and is unable to verify the assertion that WikiLeaks has an employee’s hard drive.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/02/1881955/bank-of-america-ready-for-wikileaks.html

As Orwell noted – All power corrupts…

It was a Lord somone WELL before Orwell.
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December 20, 2010 9:13am
bhudson

adze / jinpy – thanks for pointing that out. I hadn’t caught the bit about info on Bank of America previously.

jinpy – no, I don’t condone corrupt practises. I also don’t condone narcissism – I don’t see Assange as some sort of crusader or saint.
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December 20, 2010 9:17am
bhudson

stephen,

The image of pigs and Assange go well together (IMO)
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December 20, 2010 9:19am
Manolo

Welcome back Mr Hudson. Your Tory perspective of all things was missed of late. 🙂
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December 20, 2010 9:28am
Ryan Sproull

I’m fascinated by how precise the number of Maori converts to Islam is: 708.

Not 707, not 709…
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December 20, 2010 9:29am
jinpy

bhudson,

I think Assange is a tool myself and agree that hes probably a narcissist and I’m not convinced by a lot of the more sensitive international leaks — after all why should the West punish itself for having ‘relatively’ free systems and information compared to the rest of the world. But I have to admit the guy has potentially created a game-changing paradigm and that some of the leaks are most definitely in the public interest. I’m particularly for leaks about corporate interests behaving unethically, for example. I also think that Assange partly acts according to a belief system that although taken to extremes in terms of the pragmatic realities is really what a lot of people agree with — freedom of information. In this I applaud his ability to exercise human agency to change the world. Although I recognize that exercising human agency is not always good for certain individuals, who may come off second best such as Afghanistan informers.
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December 20, 2010 9:29am
stephen

I’m fascinated by how precise the number of Maori converts to Islam is: 708.

Census data is precise like that..?
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December 20, 2010 9:31am
Fletch

The dhimmis at youtube close down Palestinian Media Watch’s channel for hate speech, which only translates Palestinian television; so if anyone is propagating hate speech, it is actually Palestinian TV. But that doesn’t matter to the politically correct…

From Atlas

Youtube close Palestinian Media Watch’s account. Dhimmitube snivels and prostrates itself yet again.

This is unfrigginbelievable. Seriously. All PMW does is translate Palestinian television. That’s it. It is a news source. I have been telling you for years, truth is the new hate speech.

So devout Muslims and jihadists can post, publish, and broadcast their bloodthirsty screeds against Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims, but if we expose it — we are shut down.

YouTube closes down PMW account

PMW needs your help. YouTube has closed down PMW’s main video account – PALWATCH – for “violating YouTube terms of use”, by supposedly propagating hate speech. Of course PMW does not promote hate speech, but exposes the hate speech of the PA and the Hamas, in order to bring about its elimination.

YouTube stated that the account was henceforth terminated “due to repeated or severe violations of our Terms of Use” and they specified the following PMW videos from Palestinian sources, promoting the killing of Jews:

1. “Hamas TV teaches kids to kill Jews” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwN2M6ZIIRU
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 10/02/2009.

2. “Jews are a virus like Aids” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYaGl3KjPUw
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 01/18/2010.

3. “Farewell video before suicide attack of Hamas suicide bomber Adham Ahmad Hujyla Abu Jandal” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYdTudQhWM4
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 06/10/2010.

4. “Hamas suicide farewell video: Jews monkeys and pigs; Maidens reward for killing Jews” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryc7RqXlVdE
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 08/14/2010.

5. “PA cleric: Kill Jews, Allah will make Muslims masters over Jews” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuDTO8fgqM
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 12/12/2010.

6. “Hamas suicide terrorist farewell video: Palestinians drink the blood of Jews” formerly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSftYIGH6-w
Removed for violating our Terms of Use on 12/15/2010.

PMW urgently seeks to have this account reopened, since some of these videos have accumulated hundreds of thousands of viewings and the exposure is critical to our ongoing work.
If any of our subscribers could help, it would be much appreciated.
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December 20, 2010 9:34am
trout

National Radio asserts that Wikileaks exposes America’s distaste for NZ having an independent foreign policy. How do they get to make up this nonsense? The cables certainly show the Americans’ dismay at the lies being told by labour politicians re American influence on the NZ elections. And the Americans certainly show frustration at the Labour Govt. wanting to cozy up behind the bike sheds as long as nobody knows.
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December 20, 2010 9:38am
Manolo

I’m fascinated by how precise the number of Maori converts to Islam is: 708.

I find the conversions mind-boggling.
Akin to marrying the peaceful Muslims with the even more peaceful Maori.
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December 20, 2010 9:38am
Ryan Sproull

Census data is precise like that..?

Well, yes, fair enough.
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December 20, 2010 9:41am
Fale Andrew Lesa

😀

Assange is legendary in my books, and he has my full support. Politicians uphold the interests of their constituency, when that particular line begins to thin – power turns to corruption.

Average Joe’s should be doing more to maintain this golden line within the sand, by all means necessary. Secrets usually suggest secret agenda, and inappropriate use of state resources.
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December 20, 2010 9:44am
Viking2

So pouncy men want to drink wine with Key and their wives identify with Cheryl West.
No wonder real men get no where in NZ.

It could be his self-deprecating humour, his apparent fine dress-sense or the fact that he has a holiday home in Hawaii.

Whatever the reasons, it seems most New Zealanders would rather share a glass of wine with Prime Minister John Key than discuss the finer points of All Black selection policies with coach Graham Henry.

An independent study, The Mud House Wine Survey, looked at New Zealanders’ attitudes towards drinking wine and who they’d like to consume it with this New Year’s Eve.

It found that more than a third, or 36 per cent, of men surveyed wanted to have a glass of wine with the Prime Minister.

Nearly a third (28 per cent) of women also ranked Mr Key as top choice of drinking buddy but he was tied with actress Robyn Malcolm, who played Cheryl West in Outrageous Fortune for the last time this year.
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December 20, 2010 9:52am
Manolo

A reminder the “peaceful people” can be also be greedy: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10695456
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December 20, 2010 9:55am
stephen

No wonder real men get no where in NZ.

It’s a slab of Double Brown or nothing say!

edit: well ok not really
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December 20, 2010 9:58am
stephen

Well, yes, fair enough.

A sign of things to come when Roger Douglas and I take over the Beehive in three moon’s time.
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December 20, 2010 10:01am
bc

Viking2, I would rather have a nice glass over wine and some intellegent conversation, that sit with a group of guys arguing over the latest All Black selection anyday. I find our national obssession with the All Blacks tedious to the extreme. I think I will have to go into hibernation during the World Cup.
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December 20, 2010 10:12am
mawm

Adolf @ 8;24 Nothing about Peter Davis in Wikileaks?

I found this at VoteMeNot:-

mikey853nz wrote:
How much did the US know about John Key and Shipley’s coup?

The bit about Peter Davis at LAX makes interesting reading

by mpork

http://www.votemenot.co.nz/thread/515407/wikileaks-terrorists-release-vile-bile/on 02:06 pm, 29 Nov 2010

There might be some smoke about……but it’s hard to find the fire.
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December 20, 2010 10:13am
AlphaKiwi

Interesting concept of Collaborative Consumption

http://www.ted.com/talks/rachel_botsman_the_case_for_collaborative_consumption.html
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December 20, 2010 11:01am
Luc Hansen

For the deniers, Real Climate has a post on the cold winter in Europe. More to come before they perhaps disappear forever, perhaps.

I see in the Herald, 61% support for release of the Wikileaks cables. If Assange is prosecuted for publishing classified information, surely so should all the other media outlets? I would look forward to seeing Murdoch in the courts for treason!

And lastly, look at this:http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/05/09TELAVIV1098.html

The title of the cable is: Israel, The Promised Land for Crime?

Just make sure your antivirus is up to date! Spooks abound…
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December 20, 2010 11:40am
backster

Robin Malcom/Cheryl West no thanks, but I’d even pay for the wine to share with Loretta or Pasquale.
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December 20, 2010 11:44am
bereal

I wonder, when they arrive at their final destiations, will they consider it was worth it ?

and which will be the worst fate ?

Pfc Manning; 50 years in a military prison with hard labour.

J Assange; many, many years 5 floors underground in Federal supermax prison, Florence Colorado.
locked down 23 hrs a day.
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December 20, 2010 12:01pm
Redbaiter

In view of recent Wikileaks revelations, readers may be interested in reading about Klark’s historical communist connections.
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December 20, 2010 12:05pm
Lazybum

LucH – Realclimate is not an authorative site, it is from all of the players in Climategate and the makers of the splintered hockey stick.
Maybe 708 maori fellas want more than 1 wife so they can have a pretty looking one after they thrash the current one.
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December 20, 2010 12:05pm
RightNow

Julian Assange – now known the world over for lousy, violent sex: “Not only had it been the world’s worst screw, it had also been violent.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden
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December 20, 2010 12:09pm
Redbaiter

“Julian Assange – now known the world over for lousy, violent sex:”

Yeah, and funny thing is he’s complaining about the details of his case being leaked to the media.
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December 20, 2010 12:17pm
Pete George

Total eclipse of the Moon, 2010 December 21

The total phase of this eclipse lasts for just over 72 minutes, with the partial umbral eclipse spanning almost 3.5 hours.

In northern parts of New Zealand to just south of Auckland, moonrise occurs just before the onset of totality, so all parts of the total stage of the eclipse are visible.
Further south only the later parts of the total phase will be visible.
More than half of the total eclipse is visible in all of the North Island and the top half of the South Island.
At Timaru the Moon rises about 1 minute before the time of mid eclipse.
Further south only the final stages of totality are visible.
At Invercargill moonrise is just over 15 minutes before the end of the total part of the eclipse.

Some times of moon rise in New Zealand are:
N. Is. Auckland 8.35pm, Hastings 8.35pm, New Plymouth 8.45pm, Wellington 8.49pm.
S. Is. Nelson 8.56pm, Christchurch 9.07pm, Dunedin 9.25pm, Invercargill 9.36pm.

This is a poor eclipse for th southern hemisphere. It occurs with the moon at is greatest northerly declination so at its lowest in southern skies and its occurs on the shortest night of the year.

First contact with penumbra: 5:27:40 UT.
First contact with umbra: 6:37:19 UT.
Total eclipse starts: 7:41:01 UT.
Maximum eclipse: 8:16:58 UT.
Total eclipse ends: 8:53:14 UT.
Last contact with umbra: 10:01:48 UT.
Last contact with penumbra: 11:06:14 UT.
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December 20, 2010 12:19pm
adze

Crap weather doesn’t help either Pete…
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December 20, 2010 12:23pm
Rick Rowling

General debate template (for use every fricken day because we just can’t get enough layman opinion on climate change).

I tend to be left/right wing (delete as appropriate) and so I reckon that man-made climate change is/isn’t happening (delete as appropriate).

I have no relevant qualifications whatsoever, however I read heaps on the internet, and after dismissing the crap that the loony warmists / evil deniers (delete as appropriate) have written, there’s a heap of convincing evidence from right-thinking chaps like me that support my view.

It’s therefore really important that I comment on how AGW is/is not (delete as appropriate) really happening, because it doesn’t at all feel like flogging a dead horse, and I’m sure that the loony warmists / evil deniers (delete as appropriate) will be convinced by my sound arguments, especially if I comment on todays / last week’s weather.
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December 20, 2010 1:53pm
Manolo

Pity the Dom Post doesn’t put it online, but today the new cartoonist, the horrible Hodgson, dishes it out to John Key for being two-faced. What’s new?

Worth a laugh.
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December 20, 2010 2:03pm
TimG_Oz

How dumb is John Minto?

reason #6712 – So dumb, that he is organising a protest against someone who is not even turning up to a tennis tournament.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/4476831/Protest-at-Israeli-tennis-star-in-NZ-despite-no-show

I seriously wonder how such imbeciles can be allowed anywhere near school children to teach.
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December 20, 2010 2:07pm
Manolo

Don’t be surprised Tim. The imbecility of Minto and his unemployed bludgers and cohorts is limitless.
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December 20, 2010 2:19pm
alex Masterley

Mr Minto is not teaching now.
I understand he is now a Unite organiser.
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December 20, 2010 2:24pm
Manolo

The vile Chavez finds unexpected support from the current U.S. administration:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121902461.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576023452250748540.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/134327-democrats-go-public-in-pressuring-fcc-commissioner-on-net-neutrality

Birds of a feather flock together.
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December 20, 2010 2:27pm
jinpy

Rick,

Ah ha, excellent — permission to use that template ?
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December 20, 2010 2:30pm
Inventory2

About bloody time – John Wright is the new coach of the New Zealand cricket team

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/12/big-changes-in-new-zealand-cricket.html
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December 20, 2010 2:44pm
Don the Kiwi

The weather forecasts for today are about as cocked up as the climate forecasts.

If these pricks can’t get it right from day to day, how the hell can they expect us to believe that they can predict 10, 20, 60 years ahead?

Oh that’s right, Weather is not climate and V/V.

I understand that there are two cycles involved in climate – a 10 year cycle, and a 30 year cycle, apparently determined by/in conjunction with the decadel oscillations of the various oceans.

Can anyone point to an accurate update on this?
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December 20, 2010 2:49pm
Nookin

NZ cricket have at last made the Wright decision!!!!
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December 20, 2010 2:53pm
side show bob

Rick, laments on the pointless arguing about AGW. Don’t know which country you live in Rick but the peasants residing in this joint are paying for this fucking shit. Personally I wouldn’t give a flying fuck about climate change but when thieves and scumbags like Shonkey and the mad doctor keep helping themselves to my hard earned wealth then I will continue to call this bullshit out for what it is. My comments may be ill informed, wrong or dead right I don’t really care, what I do know however is that we are getting done like a dogs dinner.
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December 20, 2010 3:20pm
Fletch

TimG_Oz (470) Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
How dumb is John Minto?

reason #6712 – So dumb, that he is organising a protest against someone who is not even turning up to a tennis tournament.

What a loser. It’s no wonder the poor girl probably won’t turn up after the display this a**hole and his cronies put on last time. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. If ‘Palestine’ ever does overcome Israel, those like Minto and his crones will be the first ones put up against the wall and shot, just like the leftists were when the Shah was deposed in the 1979 revolution in Iran.
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December 20, 2010 3:33pm
kowtow

Don the Kiwi

Lots of links and interesting stuff at the Arts and Letters offshoot ,Climate Debate Daily. See below. I am strictly “eyes right”on that site.

http://climatedebatedaily.com/
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December 20, 2010 3:37pm
BeaB

Manolo That sounds a bit lame, like most of our political cartoons.
We need a PM with at least 10 faces – 2 isn’t anywhere near enough.
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December 20, 2010 3:46pm
Pete George

An unsurprising progression:

Attempted murder charges for teens

Two teens who allegedly attacked a Waiouru police officer with a machete have had charges upgraded to attempted murder. The pair, aged 18 and 14, were previously charged with assault, unlawful taking of a motor vehicle and attempted arson.
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December 20, 2010 4:51pm
Don the Kiwi

Thanks kowtow.
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December 20, 2010 4:54pm
Luc Hansen

Poor ol’ Kowtow, so blinkered:

Lots of links and interesting stuff at the Arts and Letters offshoot , Climate Debate Daily. See below. I am strictly “eyes right”on that site.

But I must admit, I used to chase down all the deniers arguments, but as each and every one led to a dead end, sinking fast in a quicksand bog of ignorance and malevolent intent, I now know enough to recognise crap when I see it, as from Don the Kiwi.
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December 20, 2010 8:31pm
kowtow

I rather not address Luc at all,the prick who called 9/11 an “auspicious day”,but on this occasion as he thinks the world is coming to an end with global warming, my advice to him (and other warmers)is to :

sit on the floor and tuck your head firmly
down between your knees ,
as in the “crash position” on a plane
and kiss your arse goodbye.

And on that note Luc ,fuck off.
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December 20, 2010 9:56pm
adze

Another foiled suspected terrorist plot in the UK, 12 arrests over several cities:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4479015/Dozen-arrests-over-suspected-UK-terror-plot
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December 20, 2010 10:22pm
Hurf Durf

Adze, please, Luc will tell you that they are noble freedom fighters, not terrorists. And I have no reason to doubt him, other than the fact he is batshit crazy.
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December 20, 2010 10:54pm
Luc Hansen

I called 9/11 an “auspicious day”?

That doesn’t sound like me, sorry.

Hurf, the last mass arrest of “terrorists” by British cops, if you had but read the article in full, resulted in mass release of the same people. So let’s see what comes out of this little lot. No one wants to see terrorist attacks succeed, so I for one would rather the cops err on the side of caution (but not to the extent of filling the head of a Brazilian sparky with lead just because he “looked like a terrorist.”)

Kowtow, even global warming will see the not end of the world. But if left unchecked it will mean a relatively quick and messy end to mass human civilisation, not to mention mass extinctions of most other species of the like not seen since the end of the dinosaur era. That’s just fact. Why do you think every government in the world turns up to the UNFCCC meetings? Fun?

Bit it’s certainly fun watching you guys spew. A dwindling minority in a world of non-whites, your day will soon be done as the majority gradually puts you out to pasture.

Have a nice night.
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December 20, 2010 11:29pm
Hurf Durf

your day will soon be done as the majority gradually puts you out to pasture.

And you assume they’ll spare you? I love it when Puke spews out his self-hatred and genocidal desires because he’s internalised it so much he doesn’t even notice it. “How dare those nasty Europeans invent the internal combustion engine! Their ancestors must be punished!” Our very own George Monbiot, without the intelligence. I feel sorry for his kid.
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December 20, 2010 11:47pm
Viking2

What a useless bozzo this clown is.
Just in case he can’t manage I will find him a house where his kids can go to a public school, the buses run past the end of the street and the rent will about $220 per week.

Mark Hotchin: I need $7,000 a week
By Isaac Davison
5:30 AM Tuesday Dec 21, 2010

Former Hanover Finance boss Mark Hotchin wants a $7000-a-week allowance to maintain his lifestyle on Australia’s Gold Coast.

The Securities Commission gave the Hanover co-founder a $1000-a-week allowance after freezing his New Zealand assets.

But that’s not enough for Mr Hotchin, and the Herald understands he has sought to increase that limit to between $6000 and $7000 so he can pay for rent, living costs, a hire car, and private school fees for three children.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695687
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December 21, 2010 6:54am
Viking2

About time too.
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Legal eagles examine ‘status symbol’ family trusts
By Adam Bennett
5:30 AM Tuesday Dec 21, 2010

The Law Commission is taking aim at New Zealanders’ widespread use of family trusts – in many cases to hide their wealth or avoid liabilities, including up to $300 million a year in tax.

The commission yesterday released a discussion paper looking at the use of family trusts in New Zealand, where there is one for every 18 people, against one for 34 in Australia and one for 294 in Britain.

The problem is that the very people who make the most income from establishing trusts are charged with examining their need. Do I smell self interest here?
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December 21, 2010 6:58am
Manolo

What’s wrong with family trusts?
I’ll use them anytime to avoid the sticky fingers of the state from getting more of my money. Trusts are a legal avenue.
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