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December 19, 2010 11:23am by David Farrar

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grumpyoldhori

What did that dumb cow Palin state besides saying she was an expert rifle shot who does not bother to check the sights before she goes hunting( the fucking deer dropped dead of fright after she had missed with five rounds, she must have trained at the red baiter school of missing.)

Dumb cow in wanting the US military to push the Russians out of Georgia, first rule of war, do not invade Russia, they do not give one flying fuck how many casualties they take as long as they get to slaughter any invader
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December 19, 2010 6:45pm
Pete George

It’s a bit like some novel I vaguely recall.

But…but…but…that was “a show-up of the perversions . . . which have already been partly realized in Communism and Fascism” – the US is completely different, it is supposed to be the capitalist flagship.

noskire – I’d be more worried about those that are more likely to pump up Palin.
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December 19, 2010 6:50pm
Johnboy

Bastard Russkie’s Grumpy.

Worse than the bloody Turks eh:
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December 19, 2010 6:51pm
Johnboy

“I’d be more worried about those that are more likely to pump up Palin.”

Be worried about me Petty. 🙂 🙂
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December 19, 2010 6:52pm
grumpyoldhori

Redbaiter going to lead a right wing revolution in NZ, oh please please let it begin.
The sounds of the GPMGs starting their song as they slot extreme right wingers would be music the the ears of we normal Nat and Labour types.
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December 19, 2010 6:52pm
MyNameIsJack

I only know one person dumber than Sarah “was that recoil?” Palin – he’s got a blog where he misappropriates a great Australian term to try to paint himself as that which he is not, and never could be. I doubt the dumbfuck even knows the etymology.
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December 19, 2010 6:56pm
Johnboy

“The sounds of the GPMGs starting their song ”

Hope you are not talking of using Honkie technology in your anticolonialist war against Reds mob Grumpy.

Stick to your tried and true sticks and clubs.

Technology your lot can understand. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 7:04pm
grumpyoldhori

Johnboy, the Turks do not control any nukes we know of, Vlad the impaler controls a few and looking at his background he would be happy to use tactical nukes on US troops who are on Georgian territory.
Palin of course would then nuke Moscow, followed by a surprise when Washington cops instant sunshine.
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December 19, 2010 7:08pm
Johnboy

When did Romania (aka Transylvania) take over Georgia then Grumpy.

Have I been asleep?

Palin has the football?

Maybe I’m a Vampire. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 7:15pm
Pete George

MNIJ, his inspiration may go back further – Hudibras, 1663:
For his Religion it was Fit
To match his learning and wit;
‘Twas Presbyterian true blue

Or A Compleat Collection of English Proverbs, 1670:
“Coventry had formerly the reputation for dying of blues; insomuch that true blue became a Proverb to signifie one that was always the same and like himself.”

That sounds close, he’d like everyone on his blog to never change, and to think the same as himself.
But no harm in taking your own meaning. It’s ironic that his favourite Clayton’s politician is a lady in red.
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December 19, 2010 7:16pm
Fisiani

Missed the TVNZ poll results. Anyone know what they were?
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December 19, 2010 7:17pm
Johnboy

Whatever they were we all lose.

Just as always.
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December 19, 2010 7:20pm
adze

@Fisiani
From memory; Nats could govern alone with 73 seats, Act and Maori party down slightly, Winston First up slightly, Greens down below 5% threshold

Key doesn’t seem to have suffered over the Wong affair
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December 19, 2010 7:23pm
Zulu

@ NoSkire: How on earth did NZ Cricket manage to pull this off?

They’re obviously looking for someone they can beat … at least in the short term
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December 19, 2010 7:33pm
Pete George

Odd thing, I just heard a ‘News Update” on TV1 – leading the news is the poll, but apart from some vague info I’m none the wiser. Their website news has no mention of it that I can find. Do they try and push you to watch the actual late night 6 o’clock news repeat? Or are they just slack on the website?
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December 19, 2010 7:41pm
reid

“…I just heard a ‘News Update” on TV1…”

This was your first mistake Pete – conflating “news” with “TV1” is always a bad idea.

Pap is the correct answer Pete. If it ain’t pap, it ain’t TV1 News.
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December 19, 2010 7:59pm
Pete George

I did say “‘News Update” and not news, or update, or news update. All they do is repeat little bits of their “news” and try to entice you to stay watching another few hours of deceit to watch re-runs. And if there’s something I’m actually interested in I can’t find it.

UPDATE: after saying that I though I should check again and they now have it up.

National 55%, up 1% on September.
Labour scored 33%, up 1%,
Green Party 4.5% down 2.5%
NZ First 3.1% up .7%
Maori Party steady 2.2%
ACT steady blip on .9%
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December 19, 2010 8:07pm
Johnboy

TVNZ. Not much else to excite a vibrant mind in Dunedin of course reid. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 8:09pm
Bob

The poll results – National 55%, Labour 33%. The others about average except the Greens down to 4.5%. I think the Greens are probably a blip. Goff’s popularity at 7% to Key’s 56%. Winston is up a bit.

Any bets being taken on how long Goff will last? Labour might roll Goff after the Christmas break to bed in a new leader for the election. I feel certain he will be rolled if he loses the next election.
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December 19, 2010 8:09pm
Johnboy

“Goff’s popularity at 7%”

Wheres Helen at? (no disgusting replies accepted thank you). 🙂
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December 19, 2010 8:12pm
Pete George

I think the Green downer is the most significant. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really struggle to do 5% next election, unless of course there’s a timely book release (not just Carter’s – his may steer some from Labour to Green for those who won’t go National).

No bets Bob, except for after the election. I doubt that prospective successors are lining up enthusiastically at the moment.
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December 19, 2010 8:12pm
Doug

The Greens probably going down because of the Pike River troubles, bloody Greens and save Snails and stuff the Humans mantra.
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December 19, 2010 8:18pm
adze

Pete – I wonder if the Green result is a sign the voters think they are becoming less green and more Tino rangatiratanga/socialist?
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December 19, 2010 8:19pm
Johnboy

Funny you should say that Petty I have it on good authority that the nationwide launch of.

“The Does and Don’ts of Composting Toilets”

By J. Fitzsimons.

Is due to hit the booksellers shelves before Christmas.

A must read for all the happy campers who are heading off to the great outdoors to do their thing. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 8:20pm
Pete George

I bet that poll really puts the shits up Labour – Goff’s result will grate, but it’s same old. They are banking on the Greens when they do their numbers wishing for the election, if the Greens miss out it make’s Labour’s dream just about impossible unless there are other drastic changes. Now they’ll be frantic for both Greens and NZ First to rescue their disarray.

adze – I’ve been wondering if they would slide for a while. They don’t have the strong personalities they have had in the past. I think Jeannette carried them quite a lot.
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December 19, 2010 8:21pm
Johnboy

Her book will put the shits up them a bit more perhaps. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 8:23pm
Hurf Durf

Pete George supports sending more people to die in unwinnable quagmires. Neocon teabagger!

DenseOldFuckwit, normal? Whatevs. That offer for a one-way trip to Turkey is still open btw. Although it’s probaly better you being here banging your incoherent, illogical droolings on your keyboard than drinking heavily and beating up children with your cuzzies.
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December 19, 2010 8:24pm
Luc Hansen

We awoke this morning to an ever-so-slightly saner US of A, I’m pleased to say.

Most notable is that the US is to sign UNDRIP: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html. I haven’t yet checked out if Obama has indicated any caveats, as our weaseling government did, of whether he will simply sign it; One Declaration, Complete, which obviously would be the best and most courageous course of action.

This is good news for many indigenous peoples, especially those victims of previous and current European imperialism, including Palestinians, long denied the right to determine for themselves whether the price of European victimisation of their Jews should be slaughter, dispossession and ongoing savage oppression.

And the repeal of DADT, eventually by a healthy majority in the Senate, aside from being a truly just outcome, is a major and much needed personal victory for Obama. I don’t believe the US Army will suddenly turn into effete easybeats, but I’m sure many here, in spite of strong evidence to the contrary, will not hesitate to forecast doom and gloom.

Time to settle into a night of reading…I’m finally starting to read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Shlomo Sand, a book that was the bestseller list in Israel for 19 weeks, and when I take a break from that I will surf some blogs and journal to catch up on the latest science on climate and climate change.

I had to laugh at the ingoranti above who seize upon localised weather events in a futile attempt to refute the observed warming of the planet and the many, many consequences already arising from that entirely avoidable warming. Even a cool December will still see the global average temperature in a statistical tie with 2005 for the hottest year ever (GISS), but most likely it will rate as the outright hottest year ever recorded in 150 years of instrument data.

Oh, a closing remark regarding the nuttiness of some Tea Partiers: get it right – ALL Tea Partiers are political nutters.
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December 19, 2010 8:29pm
Rodders

“Is due to hit the booksellers shelves”

Shouldn’t that be “hit the fan” ? David Lange quipped that given the way Jeanette grows vegetables, he wouldn’t accept a mustard cress sandwich from her.
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December 19, 2010 8:30pm
reid

The Greens won’t miss out on 5% There’s too many people who don’t think, they feel. Don’t you understand they just feel it in their tummies that the Gweens are just extwa special cuddly and fluffy people and if you don’t think so too then you must be just the biggest baddest meanie in the whole wide world.

I have done extensive demographic research and this is my current working hypothesis on how they’re holding their base together.

So you see it’s almost impossible to destroy for the usual methods just won’t work. It’s most annoying.
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December 19, 2010 8:33pm
Redbaiter

The Watermelons as a political force have to be destroyed.

High profile task for those who value individual liberty.
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December 19, 2010 8:35pm
Hurf Durf

Looks like Luc’s been at the amphetamines again. I’ve never seen so many words and so much self-hatred in one post. You’d better watch yourself, Luc, that shit will melt your bra- oh wait, never mind. Carry on.

Congratulations on DADT repeal, by the way. That policy has been long obsolete and the infantry ranks of the US Army will now be open to even more willing men and women who can’t wait to kill Luc’s Taliban friends. Meanwhile, in the real world, US unemployment is still 10%, the economy continues to sluggishly drag itself along, Afghanistan is still in play and there won’t be any more reforms for at least two years. Oh well.
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December 19, 2010 8:38pm
reid

The Watermelons as a political force have to be destroyed.

How?

They don’t like guns so we can’t even lure them into a fake paintball game where secretly we use the live ammo then pretend it was all a horrible misunderstanding. So if we can’t do that, what’s your suggestion?
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December 19, 2010 8:41pm
Redbaiter

Interesting poll on the US Presidency.

Guess who is way out in front?

I guess it will stay that way until the left discover it.

Nobody they fear more.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/12/18/2012-asked-another-way/
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December 19, 2010 8:41pm
Pete George

If the Greens survive next election I think it will be thanks to continued voter disaffection with Labour. What could work against the Greens is if voters see Labour struggling so much they may throw them some votes safely knowing it won’t get them in to power but will give them a bit more say.
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December 19, 2010 8:44pm
Redbaiter

“So if we can’t do that, what’s your suggestion?”

We must use whatever resources we can to expose them for what they really are. The extreme and radical left. It doesn’t help that we continually call them the Greens. They are not Greens, they are Reds, and every time we call them Green, it helps them in their deceit.

The other thing that must be done is that their evil ideology must be expunged from the education curriculum. Most of their votes come from soft headed schoolies or recent graduates with heads full of lies and propaganda.

Its a cowardly and completely amoral political strategy that has to be stopped.
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December 19, 2010 8:50pm
Tauhei Notts

Reid at 8.33 p.m.
Spot on.
There’re too many people who feel, they do not think. And there are so many of them that the Greens will reach above 5%. My twin spinster daughters are two of them.
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December 19, 2010 8:54pm
Pete George

You sound too much like a Labour strategist Red. Why not just offer something better rather than getting obsessed trying to take others down. Get what you want in on it’s merits and lift the rest with it if they are to compete.
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December 19, 2010 9:04pm
Luc Hansen

Ha! The usual stream of incoherence from a pimply student who fancies himself as a geopolitcal analyst. Immature wet dreams.

The most stupid thing the US did in Afghanistan was to try to wipe out the Taliban, indigenous people in a proud neighborhood they consider their own. They know, as well as we do, that the US will draw down and out. We can only feel for the ordinary Afghan, caught between US brutality and wanton killing on the one hand and, well, I guess the same on the other hand. However, killing ever more innocent civilians is not the answer.

It’s interesting that those who accuse others of hate are the very ones continually violence against large numbers of people: from Yemen to Sudan to Afghanist and and Iraq and to Gaza.

Kill, kill kill is Hurf’s never ending mantra. Shallow and monotonus stuff.
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December 19, 2010 9:26pm
Johnboy

“My twin spinster daughters are two of them.”

You only have yourself to blame Tauhei if you haven’t managed to marry them off to some wealthy bastards so they can take care of you in your dotage.

Petty did just that and now the only problem his daughters have is trying to keep him away from a bloody keyboard so he stops embarrassing his whole family. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 9:39pm
Hurf Durf

Nothing a whiff of napalm can’t solve, Puke.

It’s interesting that those who accuse others of hate are the very ones continually violence against large numbers of people:

These “large numbers of people,” Puke, are in fact the violent Islamists who preach oppression and murder, not the people in between. They deserve the pain and agony they export around the world. On the other hand, the people whom you hate are ordinary, everyday Israeli Jews and indeed others who simply want to live a quiet life without nutcases and their Western enablers trying to drive them into the Mediterrenean and kill them. It is the objective you drive towards. A very simple distinction, alas one that those without the appropriate mental faculties are capable of making.

On a side note, The Shield was on tonight, Puke. It’s the episode where Vic Mackey tortures a gangbanger for killing his friend and colleague with a grenade. Beat him with a chain, then shot him in the head. It would be wrong to say I made mental notes, but…
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December 19, 2010 9:43pm
Johnboy

Impaling them on a blunt spike is better Hurf.

Sharp spikes are quicker hence more user friendly. 🙂
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December 19, 2010 9:46pm
BeaB

People don’t like being lectured at by the two Greens leaders. I don’t think Pike River did them any good either.
Labour should roll Goff over Xmas and make a fresh start in the New Year. What a gap between Lab and Nats. And Phil isn’t even in the running behind Key!
It’s time Mallard made a move but he won’t and National will benefit all year from a crippled Goff.
Just think, we might have a majority government again!
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December 19, 2010 9:47pm
Johnboy

Who the fuck would vote a party into power that had madman Mallard in charge?

Oh! Is that right!

The answer is.

All the really desperate socialist’s.

Hard to believe folks.
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December 19, 2010 9:53pm
Johnboy

Night all! 🙂
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December 19, 2010 9:54pm
Jack5

Anyone listen to Chris Finlayson talking on Radio NZ today about Bro. Key’s foreshore plans?

Finlayson (Attorney-General and Minister of Treaty Negotiations) qualified his previous statement that he thought about a tenth of the coastline would end up in Maori ownership, said that had been a preliminary, “without prejudice” guesstimate.

He said Ngai Tahu, who oppose the coastal foreshore plans, did very well out of the settlement, and were the major corporation in the South Island these days.

Finlayson acted for Ngai Tahu in its treaty claim. He got the south’s pale tribe a sweetheart deal, but at least we can’t blame Finlayson for Ngai Tahu’s status as a group-registered charity, which presumably means it doesn’t pay tax on its profits. (The Charities Commission decides who can be a charity, and thus get tax-free status). The Charities Commission recently declined Freemasons charity status, yet they don’t own fisheries companies, tourism operators, and have large commercial property holdings.

Today’s interviewer, Chris Laidlaw, raised local body concerns about how they would administer services etc over new Maori coastal property. Finlayson responded: “That’s the kind of technical detail I want to look at over the summer months.”

“I don’t think they should take the worst case scenario and extrapolate it around the coastline.”

Finlayson says there is a property right there that has to be provided for. Burial sites have to be respected, but they have to be defined. “They are not as far as the eye can see” and will be defined in legislation.

He said he would be surprised if a hapu or tribe claimed coastal rights for more than 3km out.

Of the Coastal Coalition, Finlayson said he thought the leaders were a small group of people, “some of whom don’t believe there should be any inhibition to public access” to beaches, and there are people who believe “Maori have no rights,that there were others who were here first.”

He warned those who “think perhaps the Coastal Coalition have all the answers” to look at the beliefs of the small group of leaders, and be careful, and be careful reading “those advertisements which are misleading.”

Of the constitutional review, Finlayson said up for review would be a variety of things from the electoral system to the Bill of Rights, and the length of the term of Parliament (“it would be great to have a good discussion about that”).

You can listen to Finlayson by downloading the interview from the Radio New Zealand site.

Finlayson has a lot of power for a list MP, notably one who said in his maiden speech:

…I acted for Ngai Tahu in its claim against the Crown. The proudest moment of my professional career was being at Kaikoura on 21 November 1997 when the former Prime Minister, Jim Bolger, and Sir Tipene O’Regan for Ngai Tahu signed the Deed of Settlement.
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December 19, 2010 9:54pm
Hurf Durf

The Greens continuing crash into irrelevance is cause for hope, Johnboy. Looks like we’re catching up to Australia in one way. 😀
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December 19, 2010 9:54pm
noskire

Stuff ‘national’ politics, if you have a helmet, or a bunker, use it. It’s about to go pear-shaped on the Korean peninsula.
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December 19, 2010 10:01pm
nickb

The other thing that must be done is that their evil ideology must be expunged from the education curriculum. Most of their votes come from soft headed schoolies or recent graduates with heads full of lies and propaganda.

Definitely agree with this part Red… It is sickening seeing so many “graduates” at university with nothing more than a BA in political science or sociology to their names compelling us to subscribe to their fascist unionism….

Peter Davis, Jane Kelsey et al… they sould not be allowed to fuck with kid’s minds in the way they do.
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December 19, 2010 10:19pm
Pete George

The other thing that must be done is that their evil ideology must be expunged from the education curriculum.

Better get the thought police onto it. Can’t have anyone thinking out of line.
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December 19, 2010 10:26pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, you have severe comprehension problems. I don’t advocate violence against anyone, ever. I concur with Kofi Annan when he said “All war is a humanitarian catastrophe.” I certainly do not advocate yet more violence against Jews – the Europeans already did enough of that, dating from at least 1096, the First Crusade and the Rhineland Massacre of Jews. You would have been in there boots and all, I’m sure, if you were around in those days!

Your posts continually show a deep and callous disregard for human life, not to mention almost complete ignorance of basic cause and effect concepts.
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December 19, 2010 11:21pm
Luc Hansen

Kiwiblog readers should download and digest this most comprehensive report on climate change impacts: http://daraint.org/climate-vulnerability-monitor/climate-vulnerability-monitor-2010/

It confirms that the countries that have historically emitted the most GHGs suffer the least, but many still do suffer. The US, for example, is in the red zone for human habitat loss yet, as a nation, it is in at least political denial. These venal politicians are going to cause much unnecessary suffering to their own voters.

Not that ours are much better, with good ol’ fossil burner Gerry at the energy helm!
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December 19, 2010 11:26pm
Hurf Durf

And you have severe mental issues. What’s your point?

I don’t advocate violence against anyone, ever.

lol

Your posts continually show a deep and callous disregard for human life,

Deal with it.

not to mention almost complete ignorance of basic cause and effect concepts.

You would know.
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December 19, 2010 11:43pm
Viking2

The disgrace that is DOC.
Many would have had the same attitudes from them all around the country.
No wonder Tuhoe despise them.
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December 20, 2010 7:02am
Viking2

When is Dunne going to stop this tax leakage. We have the same issue here except that the GST free amount is less but is restricted to any one transaction not total transactions so anyone can do multiple transactions of less than @400.00 and with m ultiple credit issuers and provided the goods are shipped separately they simply avoid the GST payable. Go to any market and see the results.
Applies to all online purchases including google services paid for in Ireland.

Retail inquiry too late for some of us, says Gerry Harvey
5:30 AM Monday Dec 20, 2010

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Harvey Norman is less affected than some by internet traders but says it is a threat that needs urgent attention. Photo / APN

Australia’s inquiry into the retail industry is too late to stop some retailers going out of business through competition from offshore websites, says Gerry Harvey, executive chairman of Harvey Norman Holdings.

The Government did not appreciate the urgency of the threat facing domestic retailers from overseas-based rivals making use of the internet, Harvey said yesterday.

Harvey Norman is Australia’s largest furniture and electrical retailer.
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December 20, 2010 7:16am
Manolo

A lie told ten years ago by the warmists:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
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December 20, 2010 7:43am
bereal

Hey, Luc Hansen,

How is it that people from say, the left persuation ?
Try to label contrary opinions

Like you calling someone, ” a pimply student who fancies himself”

Why do you do that ?
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