General Debate 17 December 2010

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Paulus

Poor old RORTY Goofy.

Foisted by his own petard. Please stay as Labour de facto leader, at least up to the election.

You are the country’s greatest asset, keeping socialists, and their cohorts, out of any form of power, and with it responsibility.
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December 17, 2010 9:19am
Manolo

Troughers of the world, unite: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10694765
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December 17, 2010 9:21am
Manolo

Meanwhile, in the US the Messiah faces an uphill battle: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/16/fox-news-poll-just-percent-voters-think-obama-win-election/
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December 17, 2010 9:23am
Radman

Disgusting antics by the mayor of Auckland. Political interference in private developement.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10694822
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December 17, 2010 9:23am
Jimbob

NIWA says there will only be 80% of the snow in NZ by 2090. Will I predict that there will be an 80% chance of Aliens landing on the planet by 2090. Because the odds of these two thing happening would be the same. Who do these people think they are, no one can predict what is going to happen in 2090, and these people are funded by tax payers.
Man is his own worst enermy.
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December 17, 2010 9:23am
BeaB

I am sorry Phil Goff has turned out to be such a slippery hypocrite. He could have sold his flat at any time, or given his tenant notice and moved in himself. It’s shifty and sly of him to try to blame the PM for his own lack of candour – and lack of speed in doing what he said he was going to do.
Trevor Mallard likes having a go at Bill English over his Margaret Wilson-approved housing arrangements. Will he now turn his attention to his own leader for being less than truthful and exploiting the taxpayer – even if it is within the arcane and complicated rules?
Legality and morality are two very different things, especially when you are posturing as a leader and being self-righteous about the behaviour of others.
Stones and glass houses come to mind.
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December 17, 2010 9:24am
Nookin

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4469105/Pay-docked-for-two-minute-Pike-River-silence

When I first read the headline I was astonished at how mean-spirited the decision to dock wages was. It turns out that the employees concerned were paid on a per head basis and did in fact get paid on a per head basis – they simply did not meet the daily quota. There was no issue of docking. They were paid what they earned which was the basis of the agreement.

It also seems that the employer offered the opportunity to make up the quota at the end of the day which would have involved working until 5.0 2 p.m. but this was rejected by the union.

For what it is worth, Silver Fern Farms would not have lost much in the way of goodwill by making up the additional wages as a concession. The union, however, is not on the moral high ground. The 2 min silence was not observed for the sole purpose of allowing union members to pay their respects. It was a matter of national respect. That we now have what seems to be a major rift over two minutes work lost as a result of tragic circumstance does no credit at all to any of the parties involved and the commitment of parties to perpetuate division simply goes to show why NZ has major productivity problems. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest both their respective armpits.
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December 17, 2010 9:26am
joe90

Benny the pope enjoying himself.
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December 17, 2010 9:27am
tom hunter

Following the recent debates here about government spending and the Auckland rate rises I thought the following article might be of interest –Two Californias.

The author is a history professor who also happens to own a raisin farm in central California, a legacy of several generations of his family. It’s not a particularly profitable enterprise but owning it – and having been raised in that area from birth and working on it since he was a kid – has put his feet in the two worlds of academia and farming. What he has to say is interesting:

Many of the rural trailer-house compounds I saw appear to the naked eye no different from what I have seen in the Third World.
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The public hears about all sorts of tough California regulations that stymie business — rigid zoning laws, strict building codes, constant inspections — but apparently none of that applies out here.
It is almost as if the more California regulates, the more it does not regulate. Its public employees prefer to go after misdemeanors in the upscale areas to justify our expensive oversight industry, while ignoring the felonies in the downtrodden areas, which are becoming feral and beyond the ability of any inspector to do anything but feel irrelevant.

Having looked at a couple of recent articles about Detroit the other, I do have to wonder whether California can avoid the same fate. An entire state suffering the same fate as a city? It would not seem possible.
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December 17, 2010 9:28am
Manolo

But of course is not a rort. he’s only doing what Bill Englisd did….yeah right. What a bunch of parasites!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10694839
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December 17, 2010 9:29am
joe90

Disgusting antics by the mayor of Auckland. Political interference in private developement.

Yeah, Len really shoves it to the developers by voting against a heritage order.
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December 17, 2010 9:31am
Murray

Filkoff says sting, we say BUSTED!
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December 17, 2010 9:32am
slightlyright

@ Nookin, as a shareholder in SSF, I am pretty pissed off at Keith Cooper! what a half wit, Unions are going to always stir shit and look for any opportunity to play the matyr and this idiot has handed it to them on a plate for $200 2%^%@#$ dollars, thats is what this is over, what sort of twit lets this happen, it will cost a lot more in the brand damage
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December 17, 2010 9:32am
Nookin

Goff let the rotweiller loose on English and took the moral high ground by saying he would sell his flat. He didn’t sell his flat but has steadfastly maintained that he is on the moral high ground. The facts of the two cases are slightly different. The common ground is that neither appears to be in breach of the relevant rules. The difference between the two is that English said he would stop and did. Goff said he would stop and didn’t but continued to flay the integrity of everyone else. He is a hypocrite.
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December 17, 2010 9:33am
Roflcopter

Is that a BBQ warming up? mmm smell those snags…. pork sausages, with a dodgy red whine.
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December 17, 2010 9:33am
Nookin

slightlyright
Agree entirely. There are some things that employers should take on the chin. This is one of them. However, this does not mean that the union comes out of this with any credit either. Two minutes FFS! They have wasted that time arguing over it.
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December 17, 2010 9:36am
stephen

Yeah, Len really shoves it to the developers by voting against a heritage order.

Practically commeeoo-nism!!1!
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December 17, 2010 9:37am
Chris2

Goff has kept the apartment for one reason: as Leader of the Opposition he gets the same salary, housing and chauffeur-ing entitlements as a cabinet Minister.

When he is rolled as Leader of the Labour Party he will lose those entitlements and revert to an ordinary MP’s salary and no longer get the housing entitlement. Then he will return back to his flat again.
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December 17, 2010 9:43am
Inventory2

Phil Goff; 2010’s Hollow Man …
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December 17, 2010 9:48am
Dirty Rat

Disgusting antics by the mayor of Auckland. Voting against for another platform he promoted to get elected on.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10694822
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December 17, 2010 9:51am
maurieo

Phil criticised Bills apartment so Bill knocked his flat………one of my favourites from 5th Form English ~ 1969 along with Bus on fire passengers alight.
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December 17, 2010 9:54am
Manolo

The American left accuses the Messiah of abandoning his campaign plaftorm. Worth a laugh.
http://www.truth-out.org/an-open-letter-left-establishment65848
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December 17, 2010 10:02am
publicwatchdog

Why does NZ not yet have a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

A ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs with clear guidelines and clear sanctions for breaches thereof?

Why does NZ – ‘perceived’ to be the (first equal with Denmark and Singapore) least corrupt country in the world – not already have a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

What sort of example is this – when MPs ‘make the rules’ for everybody else?

Why is the Auditor-General not recommending a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs as part of the ‘systemic’ solution?

This is why I am standing in the Botany by-election as an Independent candidate – on an ‘anti-corruption’, pro (GENUINE) transparency platform.

To promote a NZ domestic legislative framework to prevent and fight corruption, and ensure genuine, systemic transparency in central and local government and within our judiciary.

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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December 17, 2010 10:09am
joe90

P. J. O’Rourke: Facts Meet Freedom: On the Air in Afghanistan

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty broadcasts information to Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East in twenty-eight languages. Much of the information comes from the places where those twenty-eight languages are spoken. RFE/RL has five hundred and fifty employees in Prague—speaking the twenty-eight languages and then some—forty more back in Washington, and several hundred full- and part-time correspondents, editors, and technicians at bureaus in eighteen countries. Reporters are also working, sometimes clandestinely, in countries where RFE/RL bureaus aren’t allowed. The mission is to tell people living in those countries what is happening to them.
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December 17, 2010 10:09am
Manolo

Long live Darwinism, but pity the outcome! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10694865
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December 17, 2010 10:11am
Radman

The mayor of Auckland met with the developers and got them to stall the demolition until a resolution could be found. I find that disgraceful. Don’t you?

I couldn’t care whether he voted for or against the heritage order. The fact he voted against it, then went and stopped the development is fucking astounding hypocricy.

It’s someone’s land. They have consent. It’s legal. Politicians should fuck right off out of it.
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December 17, 2010 10:17am
Manolo

Talking about rorts and largesse with taxpayer’s money. Another example of the gravy train at full steam.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4467854/Iwi-gets-70m-of-assets-in-first-Bay-Treaty-settlement

Don’t know if to laugh or cry. The cherry on top:

“Hawke’s Bay iwi – all part of Ngati Kahungunu – have already agreed that, as part of their Treaty settlements, they will take part in a regional planning committee working with Hawke’s Bay Regional Council to manage rivers and other natural resources in the region. Treaty Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson will represent the Crown at the signin“.

Manage rivers? Do they put a taniwha or a Maori curse to force the waters to change course?
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December 17, 2010 10:22am
Ryan Sproull

Just heard the news about Stargate: Universe being cancelled. Is everyone okay?
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December 17, 2010 10:26am
Murray

I’m more concerned about Caprica Ryan… crap I’ve said waaaay too much.
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December 17, 2010 10:30am
Ryan Sproull

And now Facebook is down. It’s the Singularity! Barack Obama has imminentised the Eschaton! Run for your lives!
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December 17, 2010 10:42am
AlphaKiwi

http://www.Flink12.com is trying to fill a niche and address the privacy issues that Facebook has. I joined up yesterday. Seems okay so far.
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December 17, 2010 10:55am
stephen

Seems okay so far.

Might take a bit more than that!
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December 17, 2010 11:05am
Manolo

And now Facebook is down.
It serves you right for being a user of that tool of fetish exhibionists 🙂
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December 17, 2010 11:12am
Ryan Sproull

It serves you right for being a user of that tool of fetish exhibionists

User? It’s my job! 🙂
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December 17, 2010 11:12am
Murray

The bastard divided by zero!
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December 17, 2010 11:22am
grumpyoldhori

Come on, it was only union members and small contractors left in the mine.
One can hardly expect a firm like Silver Firm farms to take much interest can one ?
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December 17, 2010 11:26am
Thrash Cardiom

The mayor of Auckland met with the developers and got them to stall the demolition until a resolution could be found. I find that disgraceful. Don’t you?

I couldn’t care whether he voted for or against the heritage order. The fact he voted against it, then went and stopped the development is fucking astounding hypocricy.

It’s someone’s land. They have consent. It’s legal. Politicians should fuck right off out of it.

Len Brown didn’t stop the development. The developers have agreed to suspend development while the council find a way to save the houses. Had the developers not agreed, the development would still be going ahead. I’m pretty sure the developers wouldn’t have agreed to suspend development if they were going to lose out on anything.

Working within the law and acknowledging people’s property rights. How terrible of him.
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December 17, 2010 11:37am
david

I think you have lost the plot entirely Grumpy. Or are you upset tat the brothers weren’t represented in higher numbers so you could have made some sort of cynical snide political point about it being only horis left in the mine.

Have some respect you miserable bastard.

It was DEAD PEOPLE left in the mine.

Categorising them as anything other than that is an insult to them and their families. I always understood that Moari true to their roots were respectful of the dead (friends and enemies) – I must have been mistaken.
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December 17, 2010 12:04pm
Thrash Cardiom

I think you have lost the plot entirely Grumpy. Or are you upset tat the brothers weren’t represented in higher numbers so you could have made some sort of cynical snide political point about it being only horis left in the mine.

Obviously you have a problem recognising sarcasm.
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December 17, 2010 12:27pm
redeye

# Manolo @ 9:23 am

“Meanwhile, in the US the Messiah faces an uphill battle: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/16/fox-news-poll-just-percent-voters-think-obama-win-election/”

Quoting from the article

“Even so, more voters would still rather have Obama as president right now than George W. Bush.”
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December 17, 2010 12:36pm
Brian Smaller

Just heard the news about Stargate: Universe being cancelled. Is everyone okay?

Yes. SGU was crap. I found it almost impossible to see what was going on most shots. Some more lighting would have worked for me. Then there were the characters. I got sick of Dr Full Monty and his angst after two episodes. Sargeant Psycho always threatened but never quite managed to kill anyone. And the nerd still never got off, even with an alien. What they spent on paying Lou Diamond Phillips for cameos could have been spent on a Destiny load of script writers.
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December 17, 2010 12:42pm
Chthoniid

^^ What Brian Smaller said. Gave up after first 2 episodes when I realised I didn’t actually care if any of the cardboard characters lived or died.
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December 17, 2010 12:48pm
joe90

Car prOn, the Dagger GT, a muscled up version of the Bugatti Veyron Slayer, will be the worlds first 300mph super car.

In comparison to Veyron’s 1,001hp and a top speed of 432km/h, Dagger GT aims to break every record with 2000hp and 505km/h speed.

Dagger GT is a limited edition as only five will be made in 2011. Sales will begin during the first half of 2011 and 10 units will be delivered in 2012. Each car is priced at a minimum of US$450,000.
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December 17, 2010 12:50pm
kowtow

Here’s another one from the files of western human rights/PC madness/Judges Know Best.

A Kurd criminal gets to stay in Britain. “Where she goes ……..”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8207681/Failed-asylum-seeker-who-left-girl-to-die-allowed-to-remain-in-Britain.html
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December 17, 2010 12:51pm
david

Thrash
Of course I recognise sarcasm but have seen enough of GOH’s diatribes to recognise the underlying mean bitterness in his spirit. I also consider it extremely bad taste to use the Pike River deaths in that way.
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December 17, 2010 12:55pm
Manolo

Wonderful employment opportunities for lawyers in South Auckland, Rotorua, Gisborne, and Porirua: http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/15/mcnanny-staters-sue-mcdonalds/
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December 17, 2010 12:57pm
Pete George

Following on from yesterday:

Police cleared in fatal bozo run

The Independent Police Complaints Authority has cleared Christchurch police of any wrongdoing following a pursuit that ended in the deaths of three people.

The pursuit began when two officers saw an overloaded car on Manchester St. The officers did a u-turn, flashed their patrol car’s lights and the vehicle pulled over. However, Wikiriwhi-Dobson then sped off, running a red light and ignoring his passengers’ pleas to stop. He lost control of the vehicle at the intersection with Moorhouse Ave, crashing sideways into a concrete pole.

The report says the fact the driver was drunk, his car’s rear tyres were bald and the car was speeding were all contributing factors to the crash. It says police followed all the correct protocols and were so far behind the vehicle during the pursuit, that they didn’t even see the crash.

Over the holiday period the police will have zero tolerance for anyone caught driving who exceeds the stupidity limit. If only.
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December 17, 2010 1:15pm
grumpyoldhori

David, bitter, hmm, a mate who is a contractor puts his arse on the line with the rescue crew and he has not been paid for his time because the company has gone into receivership
And no there is nothing to stop the shareholders from at least paying those small
contractors for the time they spent trying to rescue/ recover the bodies of the men.

So no I am not surprised another company did not pay it’s workers for when they were paying homage to the dead for a couple of minutes.
Bad taste, interesting, you believe that company acted in good taste ?

You may even be believing the taxpayer is not paying the costs to recover the bodies of the miners.
I am only surprised some ranting right winger has not come out against the cost.
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December 17, 2010 1:40pm
Jack5

For the Muslim-extremist apologisers who from time to time in the general debate thread, and other threads, cite the contributions of Muslim scientists to modern civilisation. A critic calls “bullshit!” Well, at least “exaggeration!” (Thanks to Denis Dutton’s Arts & Letters Daily for the pointer.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/arts/design/10museum.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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December 17, 2010 3:32pm
redeye

It seems Julia was in error and Mr Assange is well within his rights according to Australian law.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/17/3096032.htm
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December 17, 2010 4:38pm
mikeysmokes

How about the Ashes ay??
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December 17, 2010 4:47pm
Ryan Sproull

For the Muslim-extremist apologisers who from time to time in the general debate thread, and other threads, cite the contributions of Muslim scientists to modern civilisation.

Can you give an example of an apologist for Muslim extremism on Kiwiblog citing contributions of Islamic civilisation in the past?

People keep mentioning this phantom group of people who get comments directed at them all the time. I’d hope some appear one day to read the comments left for them.
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December 17, 2010 4:56pm
Pete George

The fire isn’t out yet at the Gabba.
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December 17, 2010 5:15pm
RRM

He means me Ryan.

I hate western civilisation, and I can’t wait for the day that Muslim extremists come here to behead us all (myself included.)

Yeah.
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December 17, 2010 5:15pm
Pete George

Butt out RRM. He means me.

I hate Christians and I can’t wait for the day that they all have to live under Sharia law.

And I especially hate Atheists, who refuse to believe in anyfuckingthing, there’s a special place in hell for them. I’m just not quite sure who’s hell, the Christians and Muslims can fight over where to send them.
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December 17, 2010 5:25pm
Redbaiter

“I hate western civilisation, and I can’t wait for the day that Muslim extremists come here to behead us all (myself included.)”

There’s another well known predilection of theirs I think you are much more attracted by.
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December 17, 2010 5:50pm
RRM

Pretty pretty PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ leave a comment!
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December 17, 2010 6:02pm
Viking2

John Key has announced he intends to make it more difficult to claim benefits.

From next Monday the forms will be printed in English.
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December 17, 2010 6:11pm
Nookin

TGIF. I’m going home.

I’ve heard that Apple have scrapped their plans for the new children’s ipod after realising that iTouch Kids is not a good product name.

George Clooney is to star in a new film about Gary Glitter, called “Oh, She’s Eleven.”

My wife told me I was no longer romantic so I booked a table for the two of us on Valentine’s Night. Problem was she’s crap at snooker

There’s a new Muslim clothing shop opened in Auckland but I’ve been banned from it after asking to look at some bomber jackets

You can say lots of bad things about paedophiles but at least they drive slowly past schools

A mate of mine has just told me he’s shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said “How can you tell them apart?” He said “Her brother’s got a moustache!”

A biker goes to the doctor with hearing problems. “Can you describe the symptoms to me?” asked the doctor. “Yes. Homer is a fat yellow lazy bastard and Marge is a skinny bird with big blue hair.”
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December 17, 2010 6:12pm
Viking2

Friday, 17 December 2010
CREEP OF THE WEEK

So the gremlin of Paretai Drive reckons he cant afford to live on $1000 a week? Whatever.

Time to make do. Muriel Newman put out an excellent book on budgeting a few years back.

And here are some handy hints on how to live on $1000 a week.

http://roarprawn.blogspot.com/2010/12/creep-of-week.html
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December 17, 2010 6:28pm
RRM

^^^ LOL – that excellent book included a suggestion of building your own house out of mud bricks you make yourself in the back yard. Once you know that parts of it are that far into la-la land, it becomes hard to figure out where the border with reality is…
😉
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December 17, 2010 6:31pm
Viking2

A lady walked into a Police Station and the desk Sergeant said “Can I help you?”

“Yes” she said, “I’d like to report a case of sexual assault”.

“Where did it happen?” the Sergeant asked.

“In the park just down the road” she replied.

“Can you describe what happened?”

“Yes, I was walking along the footpath in the park near the trees when a man jumped out of the

bushes and dragged me in there, removed my underwear then he dropped his pants to his knees

and had his way with me”.

“Could you give me a description of him?”

“Yes, he was wearing white shoes, long white trousers, a white shirt and he had these two big

long pads from his feet up to and over his knees, one on each leg”.

“Sounds to me like he was a cricketer, most probably a batsman”, said the Sergeant.

“Yes”, said the lady, “He was an Australian Cricketer”.

“That’s very observant”, said the Sergeant, “You worked that out from his accent?”

“No”, she replied. “I worked it out because he wasn’t in for very long”.
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December 17, 2010 6:33pm
Viking2

Dear Santa,
Please send me a baby brother.

Santa wrote back:

“Send me your mother…”
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December 17, 2010 6:34pm
Viking2

Former MP facing fraud charges
NZPA
Last updated 12:36 17/12/2010
More transparency in the courts.

A former MP facing fraud charges involving nearly $2 million will find out next week whether he can keep secret his identity.

The man is one of four people due to stand trial next year.

In Auckland District Court court today a judge reserved his decision on an application on behalf of the ex-MP for continued name suppression until next week.

The Serious Fraud Office alleged the four were involved in a $1.8m swindle of Auckland sports clubs, a children’s charity and various companies set up around gaming machines between 2003 and 2005.

The trial is due to be begin in May.
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December 17, 2010 6:43pm
Steve

A blond hurries into the emergency room late one night with the tip other
finger shot off.
“How did this happen?” the emergency room doctor asked her.
“Well I was trying to commit suicide,” the blond replied.
“What?” spluttered the doctor, “You tried to commit suicide by shooting your
finger off?”
“No silly!” the blond said, “First I put the gun to my chest, & I thought; I
just paid $6,000.00 for breast implants, I’m not shooting myself in the
chest.”
“So then?” asked the doctor.
“Then I put the gun in my mouth, & I thought: I just paid $3000.00 to get my
teeth straightened, I’m not shooting myself in the mouth.”
“So then?” asked the doctor.
“Then I put the gun to my ear, and I thought: This is going to make a loud
noise. So I put my finger in the other ear before I pulled the trigger.”
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December 17, 2010 6:52pm
Steve

Sad News

With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at this

moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important

person, which almost went unnoticed last week.

Larry LaPrise, the man that wrote “The Hokey Pokey” died

peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family

was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then

the trouble started.

Shut up. You know it’s funny.
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December 17, 2010 6:59pm
malcolm

Once you know that parts of it are that far into la-la land, it becomes hard to figure out where the border with reality is…

Adobe blocks? Nothing wrong with them:

http://www.sanssouciinn.co.nz/pohara_accommodation.html
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December 17, 2010 7:18pm
kowtow

Man /woman getting it on(as they say) in the car naked. Side swiped by a truck,he’s really badly injured and trapped..
She runs to a nearby police station with only his shoe to cover her fanny.
She screams to the desk Sgt “we’ve had an accident ,you have to get my boyfriend out.”
He takes a look at her and says,
“Lady ,if he’s that far in there’s nothing I can do”.
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December 17, 2010 8:02pm
Jack5

Re Ryan Sproull (4.56), RRM (5.15), and Pete George (5.25)..

We could re-argue whether the Renaissance stems from the fall of Byzantium, the role of Irish monasteries in the Middle Ages, or whether there really was a golden age of Islam, but the New York critic does it better. Read the review I posted at 3.32 and comment on that. I repeat the link below:

By the way Ryan, did you formally announce your withdrawal from Kiwiblog at one stage during a deepening romantic entanglement, or am I confusing you with someone else? If things get dead quiet over Christmas do you want to relaunch the Determinism v. Free Will debate?

Pete: Keep your keyboard at right angles to and yourself facing the direction to Mecca and you can relax.

The New York critic on the Muslim golden intellectual age:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/arts/design/10museum.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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December 17, 2010 8:14pm
Jack5

No-one’s told us yet where the murderer’s case about ripped up magazines was financed on legal aid.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4470475/Murderer-wins-after-official-boob
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December 17, 2010 8:18pm
Hurf Durf

Quoting from the article

“Even so, more voters would still rather have Obama as president right now than George W. Bush.”

“Not as bad as Dubya!” is barely a glowing endorsement, redeye.

Usual suspects take Holbrooke’s last words out of context. Surprise surprise.

The initial Washington Post report that Richard Holbrooke’s final words to a Pakistani surgeon were, “You’ve got to stop this war,” felt like a stark message to the wider world…

[…]

But now the State Department has provided important new detail and context to what Holbrooke said. And a rather different picture emerges:

There was a, you know, lengthy exchange with Ambassador Holbrooke and the medical team, probably reflecting Richard’s relentless pursuit of the policy that he had — he had helped to craft and was charged by the president and the secretary with carrying out.

At one point, the medical team said, “You’ve got to relax.”

And Richard said, “I can’t relax. I’m worried about Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

And then after some additional exchanges, you know, the medical team finally — finally said, “Well, tell you what; we’ll try to fix this challenge while you’re undergoing surgery.”

And he said, “Yeah, see if you can take care of that, including ending the war.”
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December 17, 2010 8:51pm
Pete George

Nine years on, Holbrooke now amongst the rubble….

The Afghanistan Review

For Americans, anxious about the war in Afghanistan, there is not a lot of comfort or clarity to be found in President Obama’s long-promised strategy review.

….there’s not much comfort for anyone in the Afghanistan quag – mired in a long history and now a long war of unresolvability and futility.

Faint hopes fade with decade’s wane.
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December 17, 2010 8:51pm
Viking2

Japanese scientists have created a camera with a shutter speed so fast, they can now photograph a woman with her mouth shut.

* A boy asks his granny, ‘Have you seen my pills, they were labelled LSD?’
* Granny replies, f**k the pills, have you seen the dragons in the kitchen?!

* Little Billy asks his dad for a telly in his room. Dad reluctantly agrees. Next day Billy comes downstairs and asks, ‘Dad, what’s love juice?’
* Dad looks horrified and tells Billy all about sex.
* Billy just sat there with his mouth open in amazement.
* Dad says, ‘So what were you watching?’
* Billy says, ‘ Wimbledon …’

* A woman standing nude in front of a mirror says to her husband, I look horrible, I feel fat & ugly, pay me a compliment.’
* He replies, ‘Your eyesight is perfect.’

* Wife gets naked & asks hubby, ‘What turns you on more, my pretty face or my sexy body?’
* Hubby looks her up & down and replies, ‘Your sense of humour!

* An elderly couple is attending Mass.
* About halfway through, the wife leans over and says to her husband, ‘I just let out a silent fart; what do you think I should do?’
* He replies, ‘Put a new battery in your hearing aid.’
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December 17, 2010 9:29pm
Pete George

This would be a joke too if not for the repercussions, it wasn’t the heroic reception Lakin seemed to have been duped into expecting.

Army ‘Birther’ Gets Prison, Dismissal

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned President Barack Obama’s eligibility to be commander in chief, was sentenced by a jury Thursday to six months in a military prison and dismissal from the Army.

In online videos posted on YouTube, Lakin aligned himself with the so-called “birther” movement and said he was inviting his own court martial. But Lakin said Wednesday that despite his questions about Obama’s eligibility for office, he was wrong not to follow Army orders.
He acknowledged that the Army was the wrong place to raise his concerns about Obama, asked to keep his job and said he was now willing to deploy.

Lakin’s defense attorney, Neal Puckett, asked the jury to be lenient, calling Lakin’s case unique. He described the 17-year veteran as giving, compassionate and patriotic but also naive in trusting the poor advice of a previous civilian lawyer. He called Lakin the “victim of an obsession,” referring to questions about Obama’s eligibility.
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December 17, 2010 9:33pm
Nookin

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4472156/Air-NZ-pulls-billboard-over-offensive-calls

FFS!
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December 17, 2010 10:24pm
reid

No-one’s told us yet whether the murderer’s case about ripped up magazines was financed on legal aid.

Yes I’ve been waiting for that as well Jack. All very mysterious thus far but perhaps the Sunday papers will do a splash. Lets hope so, if indeed they’re looking into it at all…
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December 17, 2010 10:52pm
reid

FFS!

Air New Zealand is removing a billboard in Nelson with the tagline “Fares lower than your grandma’s boobs” after it sparked complaints that it is tacky, ageist and disrespectful to women.

I’m not surprised.
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December 17, 2010 10:57pm
emmess

Look at this graph
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/12/youth_unemployment

Thanks to Sue Bradford, we along with that other ‘workers paradise’ Sweden (and Luxembourg)have the highest ratio of youth unemployment to adult unemployment.
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December 17, 2010 11:26pm
emmess

Take a look at this graph
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/12/youth_unemployment
Thanks to Sue Bradford, we along with that other ‘workers paradise’ Sweden (and Luxembourg)have the highest ratio of youth unemployment to adult unemployment.
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December 18, 2010 1:11am
Viking2

Have to say I think its funny especially as they would need to be lower than 6 foot under ground level.
And no disrespect to my Grandma. That’s the physical situation.
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December 18, 2010 7:42am
Viking2

So we now know who the biggest troughers are. Seems its the ex National Party boys and girls.
Well, well, well. who woulda thought?

Former governors and PMs spend up large on travel
ANDREA VANCE – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 18/12/2010

Former prime ministers and governors-general have racked up a $750,000 bill on taxpayer funded limousines and domestic air travel in the past three years.

Former prime minister Jim Bolger topped the list, spending almost $135,000. Next was Sir Paul Reeves, governor-general from 1985-1990, on almost $97,000, and former prime minister Dame Jenny Shipley, claiming $94,508.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4472263/Former-governors-and-PMs-spend-up-large-on-travel
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December 18, 2010 7:44am
Viking2

Cancer never sleeps.
Are the Nats. ever going to listen.
Will they ever learn? Probably not.

Maori Party seeks easier claim rules
MARTIN KAY – The Dominion Post
Last updated 05:00 18/12/2010

The Maori Party will push for easier tests for iwi seeking customary title to coastal areas when the replacement foreshore and seabed legislation returns to Parliament in the new year.

In a sign the party is sensitive to mounting opposition to the Marine and Coastal Area Bill from across Maoridom, co-leader Tariana Turia said it would seek changes when it comes back from the select committee.

“We know that the issue of tests is still a major concern for whanau, hapu and iwi and will continue to be a key point of negotiation for us in the subsequent phases of the bill,” she said.

The commitment was in response to questions about how Mrs Turia thought the bill was proceeding, and suggests she and co-leader Pita Sharples are concerned about the volume of negative submissions from Maori.

Mrs Turia and Dr Sharples have previously acknowledged shortcomings in the bill, but insisted it was the best they could negotiate with only five MPs and have promised it would be revisited in future parliaments.

Several iwi, including the influential South Island tribe Ngai Tahu and Hawke’s Bay and Wairarapa’s Ngati Kahungunu, have called for the party to scrap its support for the bill, saying it is no better than the existing Foreshore and Seabed Act.

The bill restores the right of Maori to seek customary title to beaches and coastal areas in the courts, or through direct negotiation with the Government, but has been widely criticised by many in Maoridom for setting too strict a test.

For claims to be successful, iwi or hapu must show exclusive occupation and use of land adjacent to the foreshore in accordance with Maori custom and without “substantial interruption” since 1840.

Critics, including renegade Maori Party MP Hone Harawira, say that is unfair on Maori alienated from coastal land through Treaty breaches. The claim has been a persistent theme in submissions from Maori groups.

Attorney-General Chris Finlayson was not available yesterday, but has made clear he believes the bill as written provides a robust and enduring solution to the foreshore and seabed issue.

He says Treaty breaches relating to land adjacent to the coast are an issue for the Waitangi Tribunal and must be treated separately from claims to the foreshore and seabed.

Labour last week pulled support for the bill, saying it was clear it would not result in a final resolution.

Only National, four of the Maori Party’s five MPs and UnitedFuture’s Peter Dunne still support it, giving the Government 63 of Parliament’s 122 votes.
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December 18, 2010 7:48am
Viking2

We have come a long way.

CYF appalled by abuse to girl hiding in cupboard
By Elizabeth Binning
5:30 AM Saturday Dec 18, 2010

The abuse suffered by the little girl means she is likely to need regular counselling for the rest of her life. Photo / APN

A 9-year-old girl found by police hiding in a wardrobe had suffered so much abuse that almost every part of her body was covered in injuries, including part of her scalp torn off her head as she was dragged down the hallway.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695022
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December 18, 2010 8:02am
Pete George

Maybe is some ways we are getting the better of violence:

Maybe some things are getting better in our part of the world…

Survey: Domestic violence drops

The number of people who suffered from “confrontational” crimes committed by their partners dropped 36% between 2005 and 2008.

There was no drop in confrontational crimes, including assaults, threat and personal property damage committed by people who were not partners, but were well-known to the victim.

Separate police statistics over the past few years had consistently shown that the number of recorded cases of partner violence had gone up, apparently because more people were willing to report domestic violence.

The survey figures showed that only 32% of all assaults were reported.

Unfortunately the example you refer to, in the news at the same time as the survey, shows that we can never eliminate all arseholes, that case looks horrifying, despicable.
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December 18, 2010 8:06am
Viking2

Abuse comes in many forms. Govt. abuse is as bad if not worse.
Nick Smith is a champion of that.

The ACC files: Govt defends hardline over surgery cover
By Martin Johnston
5:30 AM Saturday Dec 18, 2010

The Government has defended the doctors declining ACC cover for many claimants seeking cover for elective surgery.

The system in which the Accident Compensation Corporation’s medical advisers reject claims, often without even meeting the patient, has been scrutinised in a Herald series.

One of my staff just had a fall at work and injured her shoulder. First response was it was degenerative. Well no There was no problem before the fall.
There is no justification for that claim at all so I expect we will have to have the argument. Just like the last staff person who broke bones in her foot at the beach. ACC wanted her back at work, working on her feet and lifting and stuff we do before any attempt was made to verify that the bones had healed. The lady is 65 years old and if that injury was not properly healed then it remained that way for the rest of her life. But no matter to ACC they just wanted her off the books cause then it became a welfare problem.
My stance was to say that as I was responsible for the safety in my workplace ACC could get stuffed until they provided me with a doctors release to say the foot was properly mended.
That caused the shit to hit the fan but fuck them. They can stop funding the stuff they were never set up to do and they can introduce small charges to cover minor stuff etc.
They are masters of the medical scam and the mad Smith needs to be the next Nat on the rack.
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December 18, 2010 8:25am
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I see that the [deleted by DPF – try it with less expletives]
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