General Debate 12 December 2010

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Lazybum

boo, see we have agreement in Cancun, politicians going to save the world again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8196634/Cancun-Climate-Change-Conference-agrees-plan-to-cut-carbon-emissions.html
It is all about re distribution.
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December 12, 2010 10:16am
tom hunter

New Parties?

How about a new President of the United States. Well, sort of new.

Welcome back President Clinton, or in other words:
Did Obama Just Quit.

You really have to see this to believe it. Obama brings Clinton to the podium to perform a little explanation magic – and then leaves him alone, to the extent that Clinton takes reporters questions on several topics outside of the tax plan and does so for 25 minutes. As Mediate says:

Seriously, what was the thinking here? This has to be one of the worst PR moves in the entirety of the administration. Obviously, Clinton is probably a more popular Democratic figure right now, but they had to imagine this would hurt Obama. I mean, letting a former president explain your tax bill while you head to a Christmas party? A Christmas party?

Finally, enjoy this piece of satire from Iowahawk – Obama Names Bill Clinton to Presidential Post. If the satire does not seem up to his usual standards in light of what happened, you have to read to the bottom of the piece to see why.
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December 12, 2010 10:18am
Manolo

Did Tim Groser and Nick Smith agree to this? http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20101211/twl-global-climate-fund-set-up-in-cancun-6d10327.html

The Cancun agreement set up a “Green Climate Fund” to administer assistance to poor nations, which many experts say are already suffering more floods and drought as temperatures steadily mount.

The fund will be steered by a board of 24 members chosen evenly from developed and developing nations.

The biggest con of recent times goes ahead abetted by the lying Labour-lite government.
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December 12, 2010 10:19am
Graeme Edgeler

Seriously the most awesome legal judgment you will have ever read. Especially read the footnotes.
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December 12, 2010 10:27am
kowtow

Manolo.
I reckon there’s a cunning plan afoot. Now that just about every western nation is donkey deep in debt and borrowing to stay afloat they can also be ajudged “poor” and so will qualify to get this money from trade surplus nations like China.

Seriosly though when will this nonsense ever stop. Britain now has to share warships with the old enemy France,but it won’t cut it’s overseas development budget!
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December 12, 2010 10:48am
Gooner

More from Can Con:

– A Green Climate Fund is created to administer money from wealthy nations – the EU, the US and Japan have pledged $30bn now and $100bn after 2020 – to help developing nations adapt to climate change and move their economies away from reliance on polluting technology as they develop;

– The World Bank is to be interim trustee of the Fund, which is to have a 24-member board with equal representation by developed and developing nations, and include representatives from small island states;

– A new organisation is created to help distribute the technical know-how to developing nations to contain emissions and adapt to climate change.

New bureaucracies. New organisations on top of all the others the World has. More money going to corrupt, African states for no benefit to its citizens.

I am going to stop railing against the con at Can Con. Let’s stop fighting it and grab part of the billions. Hell, if our GDP performance goes like it is we will be a developing nation soon and have our hand out. I’m beginning to like the Can Con.
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December 12, 2010 10:54am
tom hunter

Graeme

It may well be the awesome legal judgement I have ever read. It’s also one of the funniest and the only sadder ones have been those involving physical child abuse.

When people ask why wars still happen, well…..
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December 12, 2010 10:55am
kaya

Still waiting for Key to share his epiphany that transformed his thinking from his 2005 position.

Excerpts:

I rise on behalf of the National Party to give the good news to the people of New Zealand—that is, the Climate Change Response Amendment Bill is a load of rubbish and the National Party will not be supporting it, for very, very good reasons indeed.

I want to start off with a broad-ranging discussion, if I may, around the Kyoto Protocol and the absolutely nonsensical road that this Government is taking New Zealand down……..

Yet here we are down in New Zealand, a very little country with about 0.2 percent of the world’s emissions, putting a self-imposed straitjacket on our businesses, and waving a huge flag that says: “Foreign investment, don’t come anywhere near us. Australia is over there—

This is a complete and utter hoax, if I may say so. The impact of the Kyoto Protocol, even if one believes in global warming—and I am somewhat suspicious of it—is that we will see billions and billions of dollars poured into fixing something that we are not even sure is a problem…….

What are we doing to the consumers and businesses of New Zealand? We are putting a tax on them.

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/3/2/8/47HansD_20050510_00001115-Climate-Change-Response-Amendment-Bill-First.htm

That was the John Key I voted for, where did he go?
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December 12, 2010 10:59am
MikeMan

Graeme

It is obvious to me that the Judge needed an outlet from there hatred and base stupidity of the involved “Adults” (and I use the term VERY loosely)

On the other hand it DOES make a good read 🙂
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December 12, 2010 11:03am
starboard

The cop left to die by machete-welding teens was last night in emergency surgery to rebuild his face.
Senior constable Bruce Mellor was left with horrific slasher marks across his face, deep cuts around his head, almost-severed parts of his hand and deep wounds to his arms.
A 14-year-old and an 18-year-old have been charged with assaulting Mellor after he was attacked from behind during a routine traffic stop. The pair of teens have also been charged with stealing the car he pulled them over in. They will appear in Wanganui District Court tomorrow.

..another day another attacked Policeman…what a rathole this country has become…sentence to be handed out to culprits…wet bus ticket…again.
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December 12, 2010 11:14am
Steve

“..another day another attacked Policeman…what a rathole this country has become…sentence to be handed out to culprits…wet bus ticket…again”
First time offenders? that’s OK, just don’t do it again or you will be in deep trouble
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December 12, 2010 11:18am
Jimbob

kaya @ 10:59. Yes I agree entirely, but the Labour Government at the time had a bizarre policy that would have sent NZ bankrupt. The average farmer would have had to pay $25,000, large dairy farmers hundreds of thousands of dollars, it was impossible to comprehend how it would all end. BTW the Greens, Labour and well known activists still want this and more. The country would have ended up in a premanant recession.
I think we are going to have to trust John Key is working in our best interests, and will change policy when he sees World political opinion change. If a Labour/Greens Government gets in, we are toast.
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December 12, 2010 11:33am
wat dabney

There was some government broad on the radio last week patiently explaining how NZ couldn’t exploit tens of billions of dollars worth of lignite “because of the CO2” and because NZ taxpayers would be forced to pay a fine of many hundreds of millions for the country exceeding Kyoto limits.

Honestly, it was like the unremitting exposure over the last decade and more of the incompetence, bias and outright lies of the warmists had never happened. Only the state can afford to be so utterly detached from reality.
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December 12, 2010 11:36am
kowtow

If that policeman had been armed and sought ,legitimately ,to defend himself,can you imagine the liberal outrage at a cop shooting “teenagers”?
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December 12, 2010 12:02pm
Tom B

Question for you DPF – do you think there’s a requirement to explicitly state your ipredict holdings when discussing/disseminating rumours that are on the ipredict market?

I’m not suggesting that there is anything dodgy going on but reading the article about the new right/left parties made me think about the role bloggers and commentators could have on the ipredict markets.

While a blogger couldn’t influence the outcome of a prediction (in most cases!) they could certainly try to affect the price of the stock if they were looking to unload it or increase their holdings.

EG (and just an example, not making any accusations) – if you knew from your sources that Paul Holmes had just signed a contract to be the next breakfast host you could propogate the story that you knew for a fact that Jeremy Wells had just signed a contract and then, potentially, see the price on Holmes drop and the price on Wells rise and make a killing on both.

What do others think?
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December 12, 2010 12:10pm
jaba

another cop beaten up by a couple of young hoods and 2 other cops in Whangarei had disciplinary interviews Friday about their part in the videoing of a couple of “alleged” taggers a few months ago, punishment due out next week .. who would want to be a cop in NZ?
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December 12, 2010 12:36pm
Diziet Sma

Phillipines joins China in boycotting the Nobel Peace Prize!?! Can’t help wondering about safety of information that goes to Telecom’s call centres, given their troubled performance in the past. I believe there are other NZ entities working through there too. Is my paranoia justified? If the ‘democratic’ Phillipines can be made to take this stance on the international stage, how can they be trusted in other matters?
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December 12, 2010 1:30pm
Chuck Bird

It is obvious to me that the Judge needed an outlet from there hatred and base stupidity of the involved “Adults” (and I use the term VERY loosely)

The guy was certainly not perfect however, if it had have been the other was around and the guy had been threatening violence not to mention alienating the children I think he would have received a greater penalty that loss of spousal maintenance.

Anyone who has had their children alienated to that degree should not have to pay any child maintenance either. The creep who has got the children calling him dad should accept major responsibility.
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December 12, 2010 1:34pm
Redbaiter

“I think we are going to have to trust John Key is working in our best interests, and will change policy when he sees World political opinion change. If a Labour/Greens Government gets in, we are toast.”

Does National pay you to post such worthless rubbish here?
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December 12, 2010 1:40pm
Jimbob

I thought you were smarter than that Red.
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December 12, 2010 2:04pm
Manolo

“That was the John Key I voted for, where did he go?”

The Labour-lite leader lied in 2005 whe was only feigning opposition to the Kyoto Protocol. He had to appear opposed to it, when in fact he has been a supporter of this document and the ETS all along.

It was another of the outrageous lies he pulled on National Party members and credulous New Zealand voters in general. If lying were a game akin to chess, Key would the true Master of Grand Masters.
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December 12, 2010 2:08pm
Redbaiter

Jimbob, Labour may be out, and National may be in, but we’re still on the same train and the same railway track heading for the same destination. We’ve got a new engine driver, but all John Boy has done is just backed off on the throttle fractionally.

None of our political parties are worth spit, least of all National who every time they introduce legislation, ensure that it is a betrayal of everything they profess to stand for. How can you cheer for such cowardice and duplicity?
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December 12, 2010 2:12pm
Manolo

Could this be the work of followers of the “religion of peace”?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/12/stockholm-sweden-bombs-explosions
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December 12, 2010 2:16pm
mawm

“That was the John Key I voted for, where did he go?”

He’s just another snake-oil salesman pretending to be a politician.
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December 12, 2010 2:26pm
thedavincimode

“I thought you were smarter than that Red.”

Why?
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December 12, 2010 2:31pm
reid

“The Labour-lite leader lied in 2005 whe was only feigning opposition to the Kyoto Protocol.”

Manolo I think it’s much more likely he genuinely thought that in 2005 and possibly even still does. However when he got into office his officials probably made it clear to him that the relevant dynamic about AGW is not science but politics. It doesn’t matter if the science is true or not. For whatever reason it’s a geo-political phenomena that’s obviously not going to lie down and go away.

Therefore the only sensible thing one can do with it is not to keep fighting it but to exploit it on the grounds of national interest. And this is why he signed up to the ETS. Not because he believes the science but because – duh – every other country is going to have to do something similar at some point in future anyway so why not get a head-start on the rest in the hope we might get an advantage.

Which is precisely what has eventuated with Adrian Macey’s appointment as chair of the Kyoto Protocol at Cancun. It’s common-sense is it not that the more NZ gets itself appointed to key positions in international geo-political bodies the better it is positioned when it comes to influencing the thing that really matters: trade.

This is the thinking behind the ETS in the first place.

I find it quite amusing that the very same thinking could equally be applied to the world of nuclear geo-politics but in that arena, the left takes a completely opposite stance, giving the world the fingers and then proclaiming how wonderful it is because we’re standing up to the nuclear bully as it sees the US. If we applied the same principle to AGW it would see us taking the same position you’re advocating Manolo but fortunately conservatives aren’t quite as mental as lefties are. Once is enough, as far as that is concerned.
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December 12, 2010 2:34pm
thedavincimode

Careful Reid. If you let the cat too far out of the bag the “debate” won’t be fun any more.
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December 12, 2010 2:38pm
Jimbob

Just of note, the central England temperature record, the oldest in the World, showed the fortnight covering the end of November and the start of December as the coldest ever since daily records began in 1772.
Red unless you can get voted in, we have to work at the Nats the best we can to change. The problem is that there are too many voters in NZ that only look left, if you or someone could work out a way to put these people on the right track, the country would be heading in the right direction.
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December 12, 2010 2:43pm
Jimbob

reid @ 2:34. I think you are pretty much spot on.
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December 12, 2010 2:48pm
mawm

the relevant dynamic about AGW is not science but politics. It doesn’t matter if the science is true or not….

…but because – duh – every other country is going to have to do something similar at some point in future anyway …

This is true but what is frightening is that the of people New Zealand voted for a government on what it believed it said it was going to do, and not for a government that was going to implement a dishonest UN policy.

The UN has one intention only……and that is to be a One World Government – taxing and dispensing our money as they wish. As a citizen of a sovereign nation, and I expect our government to protect that sovereignty, I object most strongly to an unelected body telling us what to do.
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December 12, 2010 2:50pm
John Gibson

mawm – “The UN has one intention only……and that is to be a One World Government ”

One word – quetiapine
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December 12, 2010 2:56pm
Redbaiter

“Red unless you can get voted in, we have to work at the Nats the best we can to change. The problem is that there are too many voters in NZ that only look left, if you or someone could work out a way to put these people on the right track, the country would be heading in the right direction.”

Very correct Jimbob. And therein lies the problem. First you have to have the ideas. Secondly you must have the rhetoric. Thirdly you must have the ability to sell the rhetoric. John Key IMHO, is just a wet behind the ears financial success who decided he wanted to be PM. He is there only because of some immature boyhood ambition. He has no underlying political understanding, and no wish to make the changes that are apparent to others not so vacuously unaware.

You have to lead. How for example, does John Key compare to Winston Churchill? Has anything that Key has ever said ever been worth thinking about for more than a millisecond? He is shallow vacuous and empty and under his leadership so is the National Party and so is New Zealand.

The biggest part of the problem is control of thought and speech. Speak out. Confront the left for the scum they are. Break politically correct conventions. Do not be cowed. If the fight is not in our politicians, it must filter upwards from the people. Eventually, we will have in parliament, people who will put the train on a different track.

If we remain silent, and remain cowed by the cultural conventions the left have forced upon us, all we will ever have is a succession of leaders like Key and Klark, and eventually the train will reach that evil destination that the left wish it to arrive at.
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December 12, 2010 2:57pm
MikeNZ

# kaya (1,123) Says:
December 12th, 2010 at 10:59 am

Still waiting for Key to share his epiphany that transformed his thinking from his 2005 position.

I agree and even Reid’s piece above about political realities doesn’t vindicate him.
Either he is principled and trustworthy or he’s not.

On Climate stuff Key is not trustworthy.
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December 12, 2010 3:05pm
mawm

John Gibson – Have you read the planning papers for the meeting Ban Ki Moon had with his top 60 planners in Alpbach in September 2010? I guess not, but I’ll accept that you want to remain ignorant. That is your choice. Mine is to be informed and if you think that makes me psychotic, so be it.
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December 12, 2010 3:06pm
Redbaiter

Of course the most disgusting hypocrisy of all is when the Nats accuse Winston Peters of being a populist. Who is the biggest populist- Key or Peters? I think Key’s obsession to remain cruising at the top of the public opinion polls while doing sweet FA to fix things in this country provides the answer to that question.
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December 12, 2010 3:22pm
Pete George

How for example, does John Key compare to Winston Churchill?

In what way? Maybe in 2050 you can make a reasonable comparison, taking into account vastly different times and countries.

Churchill took about forty years to become Prime Minister after first becoming an MP.
Key become NZ PM after six years in parliament.
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December 12, 2010 3:32pm
Diziet Sma

“# Manolo (2,447) Says:
December 12th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

Could this be the work of followers of the “religion of peace”?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/12/stockholm-sweden-bombs-explosions”
Perhaps it were the Bahai follower?? ?
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December 12, 2010 4:09pm
kowtow

In relation to the AGW scam(among other issues) what is really needed is a world leader of some standing who is prepared to shout “the emperor has no clothes”.

Once that happens others will follow.

I was hoping Tony Abbot would get in and do the necessary but even he seemed to back off the closer he was to victory.
It’s clear Key’s heart isn’t in it but he’s playing the game.

A Tea Party president of the US would do the job. Here’s hoping.
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December 12, 2010 4:21pm
Jimbob

It could be Red, that Key is waiting for the right time to stamp his authority, maybe after the next election.
Or this that wishful thinking.
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December 12, 2010 4:31pm
grumpyoldhori

Winston Churchill, that arsehole, the BRITISH politician who wanted colonial troops sent to Greece to face fucking odds of 5 to 1 against and then who wanted our troops left behind on Crete.
If it was not for Admiral Cunningham stating quote, you can tell the army to surrender but I’m getting my marines off come what may, all the kiwis and Aussies would have been lost.
Winston Churchill who believed that Italy was the soft belly of Europe when one glance at a fucking map would show the terrain and all the bloody rivers.
Churchill, a great military leader, what ever someone is smoking it must be good.
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December 12, 2010 4:50pm
Rodders

This could be good for a laugh. Being “red carded” doesn’t have quite the meaning it used to.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4450292/Manurewa-candidate-selection-delayed
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December 12, 2010 4:58pm
Manolo

What a bitter man grumpyoldhori must be. His inferiority complex is to be blamed for his pathetic attack on a giant of history like Sir Winston Churchill.

Has his whanau produced something better?
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December 12, 2010 4:58pm
pollywog

“..another day another attacked Policeman…what a rathole this country has become…sentence to be handed out to culprits…wet bus ticket…again”
First time offenders? that’s OK, just don’t do it again or you will be in deep trouble

…to think, if they were third strike offenders they prolly would have killed him cos they woulda had nothing to lose
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December 12, 2010 5:06pm
thedavincimode

m’baiter hiding behind his keyboard lecturing Key on leadership …

… talking the talk …

walking the … … well, nothing really …
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December 12, 2010 5:10pm
kowtow

GOH;

A quote from AC Browns book “C The Secret Life of Sir Stewart Menzies SpyMaster to Winston Churchill.” First though Churchill allowed the ultra secret to go to Crete against advise from Menzies so Freyberg had a very good picture of German intentions even down to the time of the landings.

“Instead of concentrating at the air landing grounds that the Junkers 52 had to use to make the first penetrations he allowed himself to cover points that were not absolutely vital.The result ;the Germans just managed to make a lodgement and Freyberg just failed to dislodge them.” That’s not Winnies’ problem. Same at the Dardanelles,very chic to blame him for poor generalship.Is your armchair comfie GOH?

Invading Italy took Italy out of the war and it joined the Allies along with it’s important navy. This was also a second front that Stalin kept calling for as well as continuing to bring the war to the Germans before the main landing in 1944.Churchill was a strategist and the Med was important ,he hoped all along to bring the Turks with their large army in ,not his fault they didn’t.(Don’t know why the west wants to reward them with EU membership)

Churchill’s greatest achievement was to get the US involved in the European war, one they didn’t need to fight you may recall as their real enemy was Japan.If the US hadn’t got involved in Europe the Soviets would be in Calais to this day.
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December 12, 2010 5:31pm
Fletch

I just saw on the News about the 2 bombings in Sweden. NO MENTION was made of an email sent to the TT news service 10 minutes before the bombings –

About 10 minutes before the explosions an e-mail was sent to TT [news service], and also to the Swedish secret services (Säpo), where a man addresses “Sweden and the Swedish people”. He refers to the Swedish silence concerning Lars Vilks’ paintings, the Swedish soldiers in Afghanistan and says that “now your children, daughters and sisters will die as our brothers and sisters and children are dying”.

“Our actions will speak for themselves. As long as you continue to wage your war against Islam and insulting the prophet and your stupid support of the pig Vilks,” says the man.

Whereupon he encourages all Muslims in Sweden to “stop sucking up and debasing yourselves”. He ends the message with another exhortation to “all the mujahideen in Europe and Sweden”:

“Now is the time to attack, do not wait any longer. Come forward with whatever you have, even if it’s just a knife and I know you have more than just knives. Do not fear anyone, do not fear jail, do not fear death.”

It is not clear from the audio files if the man speaking belongs to any organization. But he states that he has been in the Middle East and asks his family to forgive him for having lied to them.“I never went to the Middle East to work or make money, I went there for jihad,” he says.

Säpo has not confirmed the contents to TT or confirmed having received the mail, which contains sound files where both Swedish and Arabic are spoken. TT has not been able to confirm that the mail is related to the explosion.

The car was registered to an “Abdul T”.

A witness who tried to give the man CPR says he removed the man’s Palestinian scarf while doing so. The man apparently had a whole bag of explosives.

– as reported on Big Peace

More Dhimmi attitude. Your city gets bombed by Islamic jihadists and you’re scared of saying so in case the Muslim authorities jump up and down and complain about Muslims being targeted by hate speech and ‘Islamophobia’.
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December 12, 2010 6:19pm
Diziet Sma

Apart from (among other things) ditching the ETS, Mr Key needs to brush up on his karaoke & hit the gym a bit. Maybe Mr Hide can help?
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December 12, 2010 6:19pm
Fletch

Very, Very VERY good speech by Dick Morris which describes the Obama Administration perfectly….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC0txKMd3ec&feature=player_embedded#!
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December 12, 2010 6:45pm
wat dabney

“Churchill’s greatest achievement was to get the US involved in the European war, one they didn’t need to fight you may recall as their real enemy was Japan…”

Churchill didn’t do any such thing. Hitler declared was on the US.
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December 12, 2010 6:46pm
Pauleastbay

“Red unless you can get voted in” -to an asylum.
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December 12, 2010 6:54pm
Pauleastbay

Wat

Read some history my friend, Churchills machinations behind the scenes in the US saved Europe.
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December 12, 2010 6:56pm
starboard

…to think, if they were third strike offenders they prolly would have killed him cos they woulda had nothing to lose.

or maybe they are 1st time offenders , obviously they have no regard for human life so lets jail them for a minimum 30 years ..better still …insert them one by one into a giant slow grinding rusty bladed mulcher. The feral scum dont deserve to live.
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December 12, 2010 6:59pm
Fletch

Again –

Just finished watching the 45 min speech by author Dick Morris. He describes the steps the Republicans will take to defeat and throw out Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC0txKMd3ec
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December 12, 2010 7:22pm
Sonny Blount

Govt funded prisoner makeovers:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RedEyeRecap#p/u/12/Pf6v-yxB5Ts
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December 12, 2010 7:46pm
grumpyoldhori

kowtow Churchill chose to send so called colonial troops to Greece knowing that they would be facing odds of 5 to one at best.
What did he tell the Anzacs, oh yes, you will see plenty of aircraft in the air in Greece, our troops did, every bloody aircraft was German.

Italy was out of the war, pity no bugger told the Germans they were meant to leave because Italy had surrendered, might have saved my old man from getting badly smacked during the attack on the Cassino hotel.

Grab some maps, one of Italy the other of Southern France, bloody surprise that Southern France is better for an invasion route is it not.

No wonder Freyberg never trusted Churchill during the war, and he was a friend of his.

The so called invasion of Italy was a bloody mess in more way than one.
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December 12, 2010 7:51pm
adam2314

Jaba.

Came to General debate at your suggestion..

Your 12:08 .. Exactly.. With you 100%..

Time for Smile and Wave to outline a MAJOR difference between Liabour and Liabour Light.. ..
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December 12, 2010 8:02pm
adam2314

Oh !. WW!!,,

Greece.. The world should praise El Duce.. He delayed the invasion of Russia by two months..

Hitler wanted to invade in May..
Would have made Moscow comfortably before the winter..

Moscow.. The rail hub of Russia..

El Duce met trouble that his army was not able to contend with..

Real fighters..

That is why there is such a bond between Greece ( Crete ) and NZ to this day..

Not Hitlers problem.. He did not want El Duce to go for it..

What did Greece have to offer .. Oil ? . Military advantage ??..

Malta was the military advantage.. Italians could not produce..

Hitler offered what he could.. Due to the Russian Front being out of sinc !.

Thank god one could say for El Duce !!..

Willing to discuss this if there are any REAL objections to my loose explanation..
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December 12, 2010 8:29pm
Luc Hansen

Absolutely priceless quote from Wikileaked cable:

1. Johnnie Carson, US assistant secretary for African Affairs, insists that China is not a military, security or intelligence threat. He says China is not in Africa for altruistic reasons and is a very aggressive economic competitor with “no morals”…

The US says China has no morals?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah
he he he he he he he he

I wonder what Iraqis, Afghanis, Yemenese, Sudanese, etc etc etc etc etc etc…

think about that comment!
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December 12, 2010 8:30pm
Hurf Durf

He’s right though, Puke.

Unless you think they are.

In which case !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah he he he he he he he he.
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December 12, 2010 8:43pm
Luc Hansen

China doesn’t concern me Hurf.

It’s the delicious irony that strikes me!

If there is any country with fewer morals than China, it’s your mates, the US.
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December 12, 2010 8:56pm
Hurf Durf

China doesn’t concern me Hurf.

Of course not. A little Chinese assistance to set up your Progressive utopia in exchange for lucrative gas and oil contracts in the Taranaki basin would suit you perfectly.

It’s the delicious irony that strikes me!

Welcome to the realities of international power politics. If it were up to me, the West would be a lot more imperial and brook no opposition; alas.
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December 12, 2010 9:25pm
Luc Hansen

Sorry, Hurf, but if it was up to me, all our oil, gas and coal would stay right where it is. Maybe future generations could suck it out, say in 1000 years time, but I think by then we will be long over our fossil fuel binge.

And as for your last statement, well, let’s face it, we won the wars but lost the peace and the glory days are over.

Indigenous people will eventually rule the world!
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December 12, 2010 9:55pm
Hurf Durf

Just as well it’s not up to you. What you gonna power cars with? Unicorn farts? Or grossly expensive electric shit only rich people can afford? What about plastics? We gonna have wooden MP3 players now? Oh wait! Can’t chop down trees now. It hurts Muvver Gaia.

Don’t worry though, Puke! By the time China becomes a problem you and Thomas Friedman and Brian Rudman and Paul Krudman will all be thankfully dead, but I’ll still be around to clean up your mess.

Indigenous people will eventually rule the world!

Does that include Europeans in Europe? Or does your self-loathing provide a useful caveat?
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December 12, 2010 10:11pm
mawm

Luc – Were you against the racist regime in Rhodesia? Those nasty whites supressing the poor noble savages! Maybe you’ve read about the way the country has gone downhill since Mugabe took over. It seems that he has done a deal with the Chinese – they give him lots of lolly for his personal account and they take over the mines. Hmmnn….these deals are not quite as good as he thought. The Chinese mine ‘managers’ just execute the lovely noble savages if they are not doing what they are told. Even Ian Smith never had extra-judicial executions. Nice people, nice morals.

The same Chinese morals are in force in almost all of the sub-Saharan countries, they are even making the Belgians look good in retrospect.

Have you ever taken the time to find out how much aid America gives Africa? Actually it’s not quite as much under the Obama administration as it was under the Bush one….who’d have thought that, magic Kenyan and all?………but it exceeds any othe country or Union’s by a very large amount.

OTOH, China only gives when it knows it can get more in return. Oh, I forgot to mention all the arms and ammunition they have given Bob to kill his countrymen. I’m sure they came with a big price tag….but then Bob has never had any morals anyway, but somehow the Chinese have managed to better him on that.

Nice people these Chinese…. murdred hundreds of millions of their own, I hear. Not even very nice to the Tibetans.
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December 12, 2010 10:13pm
Hurf Durf

Mawm, don’t bother using the Rhodesia example. He’s more than comfortable with millions of people starving to death so long as evil white people don’t govern African countries.
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December 12, 2010 10:15pm
mawm

Indigenous people will eventually rule the world!

Thank God for that, for a moment I was worried that the Martians were going to.
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December 12, 2010 10:23pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Luc, check it out, Islamists Gone Wild 17: Stockholm.

However, writing on his Twitter account, foreign minister Carl Bildt said:

“Most worrying attempt at terrorist attack in crowded part of central Stockholm.

“Failed – but could have been truly catastrophic …”

The first blast hit at around 4:50pm (1550 GMT) when a parked car packed with gas canisters exploded, police said.

That explosion left two people in need of hospital treatment for minor injuries.

The second blast was about 200 metres (650 feet) away, he added.

Police spokeswoman Petra Sjolandero said one person had been found dead at the site of this explosion.

“I cannot confirm that the death is linked to the explosion of the car but I cannot deny it either,” she added.

But SVT reported that a bag filled with nails had been found near the body of the man who, it said, was thought to be the bomber.

500 troops in Afghanistan, barely any connection to the Mohammad cartoons. Looks like your resistance friends have turned pussy and are only going after soft targets. That ~~terrorist thug~~ brave Resistance fighter will be collecting his 72 raisins now! Hasta la victoria siempre!
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December 12, 2010 10:24pm
hj

“The bill returns to Maori the right to seek customary title to parts of the coastline through the High Court or by negotiation with the Government.

The main concern of dissenting iwi, and Mr Harawira, is that the test for customary title is uninterrupted use and occupation since 1840.

They say that sets the bar much too high and would cut out 98 per cent of potential applicants.”
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That’s a lot of applicants and a lot of coastline.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693434
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