General Debate 11 December 2010

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Dave Mann

New Zealander pf the year

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693438

Geez how pathetic. Is this what we have come to as a country? And she is not even a bloody New Zealander!
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December 11, 2010 8:47am
Brian Smaller

Sitting here watching the clouds and hoping like heck it will rain – for at least three days. Fat chance I suspect. Pretty dry out Mangamahu way.
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December 11, 2010 8:48am
Brian Smaller

Dave Mann – She is Permanent Resident of the Year.
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December 11, 2010 8:52am
Monty

Last night my wife told me how much she hated “Angry Birds”. I asked her to solve day 10 of the holiday angry birds advent calander. 2 hours later she was a confirmed addict (but still hates angry birds. Does anyone else have sad and desperate stories about angry Birds?
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December 11, 2010 8:53am
Pete George

The radical revolution?

Speculation swirls on new Left and Right parties

Talk is swirling on the left and the right of the political spectrum about new political parties, just a year out from the next election.

Former National leader Don Brash is understood to be coming under pressure within Right-wing circles in Auckland to consider a return to politics, while former Green MP Sue Bradford admits she would consider a comeback under the banner of a new Left-wing party.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. How popular would a Bradford party be? A subset of Green support? And Brash “made it clear he had no desire to return to Parliament, dismissing talk about him leading a Right-wing party as ‘idle speculation'” whether that sort of party could get any traction anyway. No special interest party is likely to stand much chance without some prominent name’s heading it.

What makes much more sense to me is a non-aligned party made up of candidates where competence is the main priority. Where is the interest in this? Or do we just resign ourselves to mongrel scrapping around the extremes?
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December 11, 2010 8:59am
jcuknz

From http://www.jcuknzs.blogspot.com ” Last night I noted that one of the more rabid right wing bloggers has returned after a period of being banned … and no doubt for him and his fellow jousters the fun has returned … but for this reader that blog has returned to the futile squallour of the cat or dog fight with insults rather than sensible comment … altogether a shame. On the left it is more subdued but still present to a degree with the non-sensical re iliteration of past errors as if they are fact.”
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December 11, 2010 9:01am
Manolo

Isn’t the Messiah humble or what? http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/12/obama-honors-nobel-winner-statement-about-himself
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December 11, 2010 9:01am
Dave Mann

hehehe Brian…. but seriously, is this the best that the NZHerald can come up with? Is this what New Zealand values are now, to passively react with soggy PC acceptance when the actions of some asshole little scrote kills your child?

Non-judgemental PC wankery might be useful at a personal level sometimes in helping to deal with shit (or might not be… depending on the personality and the circumstances), but to hold this up as the pinnacle of New Zealanders’ achievements for the year is just utterly mindlblowingly pathetic in my opinion.
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December 11, 2010 9:01am
Manolo

A delicious irony. The warmists could be feeling the cold.
http://theweek.com/article/index/210181/irony-alert-the-unusually-chilly-global-warming-summit
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December 11, 2010 9:03am
kaya

I just heard Bradford on the radio confirming they are thinking of setting up a party that will be left of Labour. The woman is a delusional fool.
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December 11, 2010 9:04am
Manolo

Good to see comrade Len Brown sticking to his promises of openness and accountability….not. Ah, the despicable liar.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10693580
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December 11, 2010 9:07am
kaya

Anyone with an interest in the money system and wondering why we keep lurching from boom to bust and back again should read this.

“Star Woes” is a parody of “Star Wars” and is a downloadable PDF. It explains the banking system in simple terms and shows why the financial crisis happened and will happen again. (The current crisis is a long way from over)
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December 11, 2010 9:08am
Pete George

I agree jcuknz, it was a notable return to a futile mess of mouthing off. The “more rabid right wing blogger” has a new responsibility though – he has set up his own megaphone blog (good on him for that), but should consider what impression he will make keeping that clean of any dissent while causing mayhem in competing blogs.
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December 11, 2010 9:09am
Doug

Pete George:

Goff must be pissing of Labour members.

The New Citizen Party is a political party in New Zealand. It aims to represent Chinese New Zealanders and has a focus on economic and law and order issues.[1] The party has been organised by Auckland businessman Paul Young, former New Zealand Labour Party list candidate Stephen Ching, and Chinese businessman Jack Chen.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Citizen_Party
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December 11, 2010 9:09am
Brian Smaller

Dave Mann – I agree. I especially like the bit about the little boy who survived not wanting the driver to go to prison because it “was just an accident”. Compare and contrast the perp in this case with the guy who shot the school teacher at Turangi. Ah well. We have already thrashed this one otu and we wont change anything now.
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December 11, 2010 9:09am
Pete George

Doug, the problem is that pissed off factions don’t often make much headway, the Maori Party being a notable exception. Five percent is a high threshold for them, unless they manage what Anderton and Dunne have done and survive on a single seat it’s a big hill to climb.
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December 11, 2010 9:13am
Manolo

Unions and the Labour Party chipping in for their mate: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4447749/Auckland-Mayor-hides-names-of-campaign-donors
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December 11, 2010 9:19am
Chuck Bird

It could have been Robyn Malcolm. She was a finalist.
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December 11, 2010 9:19am
RobbieBlack

It’s the Herald New Zealander of the Year.

First prize, a free copy of the New Zealand Herald.

Second prize, two free copies of the New Zealand Herald.
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December 11, 2010 9:22am
Pete George

I applaud them awarding it to Emma Woods. Better trying to deal with a tragedy in the best way for both families, rather than carrying on being bitter and twisted wishing for retribution that won’t happen.

It’s great we don’t live in a Muslim country where family retribution highlights backwardness – the western world has mostly advanced from that.

Emma Woods has set a great example and will hopefully will feel better for it, I think it will help her cope with the loss of her son, it will help her family and it will also help others.
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December 11, 2010 9:29am
hj

When a person emigrates to another country they become a citizen and if that country is invaded they go to war to defend it. Under Maori tribalism however you cannot be a citizen unless you have whakapapa. Instead you are a visitor or second class citizen. Maori are claiming they own the foreshore and seabed as the original inhabitants (tribal territory) and under the treaty (indigenous version). This is the basis of Green Party and Maori Party policy.
At the 2002 Green Party conference Turei put a remit forward calling for the Greens to endorse the “Maori” version of the Treaty Of Waitangi.. David Clendon has called for iwi rights to offshore oil to be recognized and Kevin Hague argues that: “the phase of the discussion that we now need to move into is one that that focuses on Maori status as the indigenous people of this country and on the actual content of the Treaty: a statement of the terms and conditions for the presence of non-Maori. The Maori right to self-determination pre-dated the Treaty and was not altered by it. What is at issue in understanding the Treaty are the rights of non-Maori.” (article was printed in Te Awa, the Magazine of the Green Party of Aotearoa. Aug 2008)

CLEDDON CHALLENGES MINISTERIAL NO ON OFFSHORE DRILLING
Green MP David Clendon isn’t taking no for an answer over whether Maori have a right to a share in oil and gas under New Zealand’s continental shelf.
Mr Clendon got the one-word answer last week when he asked Energy Minister Gerry Brownlee if the Government intended to consider Te Aupouri’s claims to resources off 90-Mile beach which are being opened up for prospecting.
He doesn’t accept the Government’s assertion that the International law of the Sea and the Continental Shelf Act rule out treaty claims.
“This is a very live issue and if there is wealth to be extracted it would seem clear both under treaty and under international law that Maori should get a reasonable claim, a reasonable royalty from that wealth,” Mr Clendon says.
http://www.waatea.blogspot.com

“The starting point for legislation of this sort must be that prior to 1840 Māori exercised sovereignty—were sovereign—in Aotearoa New Zealand. The leaders of iwi and hapū exercised legitimate authority, and that was acknowledged by the Crown in the declaration of 1835, and by the acknowledgment a year earlier that the flag of the confederation gave vessels flying that flag rights of passage and commerce in international waters.
The signing of the Treaty in 1840 saw Māori cede kāwanatanga, or governance, to the Crown, and in exchange the Crown guaranteed to Māori tino rangatiratanga, or chieftainship, which meant the right of Māori to control their lands, villages, and other treasures. The base of all negotiations must be that Māori held recognised sovereignty rights and continue to hold those rights, unless the rights associated with that sovereignty have been legislated or alienated by some legal and defensible means.”
http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/marine-and-coastal-area-takutai-moana-bill-david-clendon-speaks-first-reading
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December 11, 2010 9:31am
Offshore_Kiwi

@Pete George: “…the problem is that pissed off factions don’t often make much headway, the Maori Party being a notable exception…”

They are a notable exception, of course, because the entire system is skewed in their favour via the race-based seats.
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December 11, 2010 9:34am
hj

A delicious irony. The warmists could be feeling the cold.
http://theweek.com/article/index/210181/irony-alert-the-unusually-chilly-global-warming-summit
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your confusing weather with climate. In the days when we defrosted fridges, the first thing you noticed when you turned the fridge off was the cold air as the ice melted.
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December 11, 2010 9:37am
Falafulu Fisi

I don’t like what Julian Assange has done, but I think Judge Andrew Napolitano (Fox News) & Congressman Ron Paul are both right in this case in defending Mr Assange.

Lying is Not Patriotic (Ron Paul)

Understanding Free Speech (Judge Andrew Napolitano)
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December 11, 2010 9:38am
kaya

Posted this last night but it needs another airing for anyone who missed it.
An Irishman abroad tells it like it really is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu3IT1kGavE
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December 11, 2010 9:41am
hj

No green house gases Earth’s average temperature = minus X (unlivable)
Pre industrial level Earth’s average temperature = P (benign climate)
releasing c02 = +P ????????
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December 11, 2010 9:46am
Nookin

Kaya
I love that line “I am sensing a wee bit of discontent”!
Hard to argue with his logic and hard to argue that much that same didn’t happen here!
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December 11, 2010 9:49am
kaya

Ron Paul is one of the few straight politicians in the US. He’s the man who called for an audit of the Federal Reserve. The Bill is being fought tooth and nail by those who:

……..weren’t about to allow their secrets to be exposed and their magic money machine to be put under close scrutiny. They worked frantically behind the scenes to quietly derail all efforts to open up the Federal Reserve to an independent audit.

http://www.ronpaul.com/legislation/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

Next year should be interesting.
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December 11, 2010 10:01am
kaya

Nookin – Nothing like telling it straight!!! It’s still happening here though, another bailout last week:

http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/article/976496698/taxpayers-bail-out-another-finance-company.html

There should be no guarantees, if the finance “industry” (great oxymoron) can’t stand on it’s own then it shouldn’t exist.
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December 11, 2010 10:07am
hj

Cactus Cate defends Hanover
http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.com/

it is only legal contract that holds society together?
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December 11, 2010 10:18am
side show bob

hj, maybe God is trying to get a massage through to these clowns., not that they would really care. Who worries about the weather when you are trying to steal tens of billions of dollars.
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December 11, 2010 10:25am
reid

Here’s an example of what Ireland should have done: Iceland’s model: let the banks fail.

Yet the underlying tale of Ireland and Iceland, and the tale of the 1930s, is that a devaluation shock may cause a violent crisis – that looks and feels terrible while it happens – but the slow-burn of policy austerity and debt deflation does more damage in the end.
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December 11, 2010 10:33am
tristanb

but seriously, is this the best that the NZHerald can come up with? Is this what New Zealand values are now, to passively react with soggy PC acceptance when the actions of some asshole little scrote kills your child?

She did the Christian thing and forgave him. How is that any of your business?

Why are you so filled with hatred?
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December 11, 2010 10:40am
mawm

hj – the first thing you noticed when you turned the fridge off was the cold air as the ice melted.

I don’t know what kind of fridge you had, but when I opened the door to my fridge I always felt cold air – defrosting of not!

I think that you are trying to refer to what is known as Latent Heat which is the heat (energy) absorbed to convert ice at 0 degrees to water at 0 degrees and the opposite occurs when ice (snow) is formed.
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December 11, 2010 10:41am
reid

And here’s a domestic example of what Bush 41 started and what Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama have continued.

And yet people still bleat on endlessly about the left-right punch and judy show as if it really exists and worse, as if its the only show in town and that if only “their side” gets in then everything will be OK again. Duh.
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December 11, 2010 10:44am
calendar girl

PG@9:29am: “Emma Woods has set a great example and will hopefully will (sic) feel better for it, I think it will help her cope with the loss of her son, it will help her family and it will also help others.”

Agreed, Pete. And Mrs Woods’ actions were inspiring, almost saint-like. But please explain to us how her actions can be considered to represent the pinnacle of achievement by an individual in New Zealand this year.

I think that this particular award tends to demonstrate how dumbed-down NZers have become, interested only in comfortable (comforting?) matters and feel-good emotions. There’s nothing wrong with such matters and emotions in their proper place, but to allow them to completely govern our national psyche tends to strip us of our ability to confront reality, deal with problems and determine our personal and national future(s) in a strategic manner.
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December 11, 2010 10:47am
reid

Check this out: photos of the Swedish bunker Wikileaks is using as a data store.

And yet another reason to be afraid, very afraid. AGW gives you cancer. Oh no. Won’t someone think of the children?
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December 11, 2010 10:59am
reid

“She did the Christian thing and forgave him.”

The critical aspect in that article was she looked at who the offender was:

The key for Mrs Woods was learning who Austin was, “to know if this was just a random accident or it was something that had been building.

“If I had heard that he was going out every night or having a good time, or his life was just carrying on as usual then, yeah, there would have been anger at that point. But that’s not the case.”

I don’t know if she is a Christian or not but by way of contrast I believe from various comments in various articles that the Hemming family are Christians but the offender in that case is a totally different kettle of fish.

Something that some if not many non-Christians don’t seem to understand is that forgiveness in the Christian sense does not entail failing to hold someone to account for their actions. It means acknowledging that we live in a fallen world and all of us, every single human being on earth, is contaminated with sin which includes not just actions but also thoughts and which of us has never even had a bad thought? Jesus was acutely aware of this and His actions throughout the NT are a testament to forgiveness in the sense of compassion for the fallen. The emulation of His teachings in this area are one of the twin cornerstones of Christian missionary practice, the other cornerstone being acknowledgement of G-d which is why Christians attend church.
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December 11, 2010 11:28am
side show bob

Reid I see Paypal, Visa, Mastercard are no longer taking donations for the Wikileaks site, saying Wikileaks promotes illegal activity. I suspect this is just a bullshit excuse it has to be. If you want you can still donate to the KKK using these companies and the bloody KKK hardly promotes peace and enlightenment. Think Barry and his thugs have been door knocking.
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December 11, 2010 11:28am
kaya

Reid – couldn’t agree more re the Ireland/Iceland piece. While there I saw a link to this article too:

Ireland was just one big pyramid scheme

However, many voters fail to realise Ireland no longer has control of its own economy and believe that if a new government comes in it can delay the cuts, financial workers said.

“The reality is that the government is not running the economy,” said one trader. “The budget will go through irrespective of what party is in power.”

But while the austerity package may have held few unknowns for Dublin’s financiers, one question is still puzzling them: Where did all the money go?

“We don’t know where the money went,” added the trader, half in jest, but half in earnest. “We’ve been debating it all morning. Cars, flat-screen TVs, Bulgarian properties? Everyone round here used to have a Mercedes. The whole country was a pyramid scheme.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8158188/Ireland-was-just-one-big-pyramid-scheme.html

The link to the US jobs flight piece is frightening. Who knows what it will lead to but it won’t be pretty. Hard to see how it is going to change?
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December 11, 2010 11:40am
kaya

ssb – the one thing the US response to the whole Wikileaks saga is doing is making the country look more and more like a fascist state. Add to that the Patriot Act and the TSA actions. It’s a country I won’t be going near again for a very long time.
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December 11, 2010 11:45am
kowtow

A couple of interesting articles from the UK Telegraph on the student riots in London.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8194089/Tuition-fee-protests-Charlie-Gilmour-son-of-Pink-Floyd-guitarist-David-Gilmour-apologises-for-climbing-Cenotaph.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/8191127/Students-today-are-victims-of-a-culture-problem.html
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December 11, 2010 12:05pm
Chuck Bird

RSA Poppies

I wonder how many have considered how this situation ended up in this mess.

About four years ago the last Labour government decided it was not fair that intellectually handicapped individuals were paid less than the minimum adult wage. This was very strongly opposed by ACT and to a lesser degree by National.

The results were as predicted many of these people lost their jobs and were never able to find ones to replace them. This gave these people a reason to get up in the morning. It also gave parents of these adult children some respite.

As is often the case this PC we know best legislation actually harmed the people it was meant to help.

I would image that the Christchurch RSA was able to employ these people longer than other organisations as the cost of the poppies was still small compared to the average donation for each poppy and they were not primarily profit driven.

We now hear Labour’s Ruth Dyson calling on the government to help out. I agree that the government should help but not it the way Dyson would like – throw money at the problem.

The government should restore the law to how it was. That is offering a hand up not a hand out to deserving people who what to work and contribute to society even if they may have less skills that the average worker.
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December 11, 2010 12:09pm
mattyroo

More beneficiaries living the life of idle at the expense of the taxpayer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693596

I look around at people I know who are making the choice to stay home with their children. I don’t like having the boot put into them by the Government.

Here’s some news for you and your bludging ne’er-do-well mates lady. I and most other New Zealander’s are sick to fucking death of sacrificing lifestyle choices for ourselves, so you lot can make lifestyle choices.
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December 11, 2010 12:13pm
noodle

Chuck Bird. RSA poppies… agree 100%.
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December 11, 2010 12:25pm
Paulus

I was surprised to find that “Maori Inc.” commercial companies from treaty settlements do not pay the same amount (rate) of tax like any other normal commercial New Zealand company.

Can any one enligten me please.
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December 11, 2010 12:56pm
Manolo

Comrade Zhumao must be proud of the company his country keeps in this disgraceful affair. After all, it proves there is a sense of brotherhood amongst criminal goverments, tyrannies, and brutal dictatorships.

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/china-18-other-countries-to-skip-nobel-peace-prize-ceremony/19750124
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December 11, 2010 12:57pm
Pete George

“Chuck Bird. RSA poppies… agree 100%.”

Me too.
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December 11, 2010 1:11pm
kaya

Ron Paul in his first interview since getting the job to lead the House Finacial Services subcommittee.

Obviously, it is very popular with the American people to audit the Fed and know what they’re doing when they can spend trillions of dollars and we don’t know where it goes. They have a bigger budget; they spend more money than the Congress does. Yet, we have no oversight. It was never intended that a secret body like this could create money out of thin air spend to take care of some banks and big business and foreign banks and the American people struggle? We have to look into it and we have to start to consider reforms.

Ireland needs to do something similar.
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December 11, 2010 1:15pm
jonnobanks

hj at 9:37 am, funny you keep being in denial. You say ‘The warmists could be feeling the cold.’ Yet it is you who’s head is buried in the sand. This year will end up being the hottest year on record.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
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December 11, 2010 1:18pm
Falafulu Fisi

Kaya, that’s an interesting interview of Ron Paul and he is correct that the Fed should either be abolished or audited so that they’re accountable to Congress.
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December 11, 2010 1:49pm
Dave Mann

Yes, calendar girl 10.47… That was the point that I was trying to make too.
Laudable though this woman might be, her actions surely don’t represent the pinnacle of kiwi achievement do they?
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December 11, 2010 1:50pm
Redbaiter

“what impression he will make keeping that clean of any dissent while causing mayhem in competing blogs.”

TrueblueNZ is an antidote to the left’s common strategy of taking over and destroying any public facility they can. You have done this on Kiwiblog. You will not do it on my blog. Not ever.

I have no responsibility whatsoever to provide space for the idiots of the left to chant to chant their troglodyte mantras. I would suggest you read the comments policy again, except that I know you don’t have the comprehension skills to perceive its true meaning. You’ve already shown that with the comments you have made there.
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December 11, 2010 2:11pm
Fletch

Hehe… Classic video – Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer mashup with Police (You Don’t Have To Put On The Red Light)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N4EFVgtB0Y&feature=player_embedded
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December 11, 2010 2:40pm
Put it away

Gilmour’s twat of a son seems to think it’s some kind of defense that he didn’t realise it was the Cenotaph. Not sure which is worse, deliberately swinging off it, or not knowing where/what the Cenotaph is…
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December 11, 2010 2:49pm
Jimbob

Falafulu Fisi @ 1:49 Agree that the Fed should be abolished. I read some time ago that it is owned by private banks. The dividends that the Fed makes get paid to private individuals and not the US Government. Also the Fed is listed in the white pages in the phone book and not the Government departments pages.
Why do these people at the Fed have so much power over so many people?
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December 11, 2010 4:03pm
Pete George

RB, I’m not bothering about the “Trueblue” comments policy, nor posting on the blog. It’s your megaphone, you’ve made it clear it’s not for critical discussion, that’s fine, your choice. As you often do, you missed my point. If you are to respect other blogs you would avoid being involved in free for all mayhem on them while trying to lure eyeballs from them to your own controlled message. The mayhem is not all your responsibility when you’re on here, but it’s very easy to avoid.

Over the last few months there has been a lot of good discussion and banter here, with only the occasional relapse. It would be good to keep it reasonable. Plenty of disagreement for sure, that’s one of the strengths here, but it can be done with a degree of civility to the benefit of just about everyone – except the few who just want to stir.
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December 11, 2010 4:14pm
Manolo

Interesting take on Obama leaving Clinton at the White House to take questions on his tax deal with the Republicans.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1210/not_your_average_friday_32c81887-d53d-429f-b03d-94f2c2a949b7.html

And the clincher: “What’s with leaving Clinton alone with a press corps increasingly disenchanted with Hope & Change? A bigger mistake hasn’t been made since Eddie Fisher agreed to let Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton share the same makeup trailer on the set of Cleopatra.“
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December 11, 2010 4:25pm
Pauleastbay

Love True Blue’s banner statement – from George Orwell, – the well known right winger – FFS.

Sad really
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December 11, 2010 5:04pm
noskire

I hear the price of the NZ Herald is set to increase on Monday. I decided to save some money and cleaned out the local dairy of the remaining copies they had.
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December 11, 2010 5:15pm
grumpyoldhori

Jeez, this is sick, only you raving right wingers would agree it is a good thing.
I had no time for her politics but Baroness Thatcher is a old woman sick with dementia and this trailer trash cow Palin wants to take advantage of her for a so called photo op.

Only you extreme right wing idiots would believe that Palin comes any where near the Baroness’s intellectual firepower, her ability and her education.

The Baroness was never afraid to front up to any interviewer, can we expect to see Palin interviewed by Paxman ?
I would enjoy that, the xtian being tossed to the lion.

Dubya mark 2 in London, can we expect the eggs to fly ?
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December 11, 2010 5:33pm
grumpyoldhori

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1286223/Sarah-Palin-lines-UK-trip–visit-Lady-Thatcher–looking-buoyant-recently.html
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December 11, 2010 5:37pm
reid

“Why do these people at the Fed have so much power over so many people?”

Why don’t you read “The creature from Jekyll Island” Jimbob. Complete version is on the web, for free.
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December 11, 2010 5:39pm
grumpyoldhori

Interesting, I see no right wingers ranting that the banks in Ireland should have been allowed to go broke like what happened in Iceland, a nasty cynic might have a suspicion that raving right wingers are in favour of bank bailouts funded by the mug taxpayer.
Would extreme right wingers be in favour of taxpayer money being handed over to those whom were greedy, well I heard fuck all of them complaining about all those pakeha being bailed out to the tune of one billion.
The same ones who complained about hories getting a damn sight less per person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8158188/Ireland-was-just-one-big-pyramid-scheme.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8187476/Iceland-offers-risky-temptation-for-Ireland-as-recession-ends.html
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December 11, 2010 5:49pm
reid

“Only you extreme right wing idiots would believe that Palin comes any where near the Baroness’s intellectual firepower, her ability and her education.”

grumpy FFS, Palin has nothing to do with left or right. Only idiots believe that. She’s a fucking moron, always has been. This is not the first politician who has been. Sometimes they come from the left and sometimes they come from the right. Palin is only there because people behind the scenes perceive she has a use and frankly, if you think about it, who would be easier to manipulate than someone like her, were she ever to achieve high office?

The fact that slack-jawed yokels from either side get sucked in by them doesn’t mean anything except they’re slack-jawed yokels, period. Don’t imagine that slack-jawed yokel-ness is confined to one or the other side of the political spectrum.

“I see no right wingers ranting that the banks in Ireland should have been allowed to go broke like what happened in Iceland, a nasty cynic might have a suspicion that raving right wingers are in favour of bank bailouts funded by the mug taxpayer.”

grumpy, I’m a conservative. See my 10:33.
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December 11, 2010 5:55pm
Falafulu Fisi

GOH said…
I heard fuck all of them complaining about all those pakeha being bailed out to the tune of one billion.

grumpyoldhori you make idiotic comments. Bailout did no good. Bailouts is a leftist ideology. It’s called Keynesian, just in case you haven’t heard of it. Jeesuz, take advantage of the internet man and educate yourself because Keynesian has been discussed here on Kiwiblog many times). Don’t just use the internet for entertainment (such as you making comments on Kiwiblog) but also to educate yourself.

I’m opposed to Keynesian in general (& bailouts), because it is a false and dangerous theory , ie, it wrecks economies, as we have witnessed in recent years, such as Ireland for instance. Businesses must be allowed to fail including banks which have been involved in risky trading/lending.
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December 11, 2010 6:08pm
Jimbob

Thanks for that reid @ 5:39. Very informative.
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December 11, 2010 6:45pm
Fletch

Venezuela helping Iran with it’s nuclear ambitions. Uranium is probably being mined (from a “gold mine”) in Venezuela and shipped to Iran (transported through a “concrete factory in Venezuela that produces no concrete). International community does nothing.

LINK

When the heck is the US going to wake up and do something about it????
They’re asleep… Venezuela is also likely to provide Iran with refined fuel (something which the Iranians can’t do themselves) when international sanctions kick in).
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December 11, 2010 7:21pm
Hurf Durf

GOH’s primary school education once again shines.

I’d be surprised if he could point out the US and the UK on a map.

When the heck is the US going to wake up and do something about it????

Don’t worry Fletch, Bolivarian Venezuela is going down the shitter faster than you can say “discredited Marxist economic theory.” Best case scenario, he gets gunned down in a courtyard by his own army, Ceaucescu style. Worst case, he manages to flee to Bolivia.
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December 11, 2010 7:33pm
grumpyoldhori

Falafulu Fisi Strange, are you not a conservative who believed dubya could do no wrong, yet you question Keynesian policies which dubya was real keen on when the banks got themselves in the shit.
Hell, the chances of no Keynesian policies in the USA are about a rare as finding a virgin among those women who rant on about it.
What is the US conservatives rant, deficits do not matter as long as we have China to pay to our military going ?
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December 11, 2010 7:49pm
Falafulu Fisi

I did support Bush in his foreign policies. He was Keynesian as much as Obama, I didn’t support Bush at all on that. He was an idiot in his economics policies (except cutting taxes).
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December 11, 2010 7:58pm
grumpyoldhori

Support dubya in his wars ? have to ask the question did you trot along to join either the septic or the Brits for Iraq and Afghanistan ?

Cutting taxes very strange, you want the same or more spent on the US military but you do not want to see taxes go up to pay for the same
So I take it you want Keynasian policies kept in place which involve borrowing from China ?

The USA is doing better than Germany in exports because of it’s taxation policies, someone has got that wrong.
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December 11, 2010 8:13pm
hj

hj at 9:37 am, funny you keep being in denial. You say ‘The warmists could be feeling the cold.’ Yet it is you who’s head is buried in the sand. This year will end up being the hottest year on record.
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Actually that wasn’t me who said that. I’m convince that increased CO2 traps heat in the atmosphere. My fridge defrosting was perhaps not such a good analogy, but I was suggesting that if we have snow storms etc as the earth warms it could be due to ice melting?
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December 11, 2010 9:43pm
lilman

GOH-dont alays agree with you on most things,but on this one I do,bugger theinvestors, they took the risk for a few more dollar,why should they get help,Imake a decision and lose everything noone helps me out,it was greed pure and simple.
He is right ,the country would die if the government handed over that kind of money to Maori,at least there would be a story behind the claim,not jst bad bussiness based on greed.
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