General Debate 6 November 2010

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MikeNZ

good morning

have a great weekend.
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November 6, 2010 10:48am
Rodders

If you missed Tim Shadbolt on last night’s 7 Days , it is worth seeing (approx 10 mins into the episode.)

http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Season-2-Ep-22/tabid/59/articleID/1472/MCat/52/Default.aspx
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November 6, 2010 10:48am
si_rangi

The Michael Laws joke was brilliant by Tim – I supsect he may have used that one before, but was very clever.

And I couldn’t get over how much Vaughn King looked like Paul McCartney.

Very quiet in the world of KB today
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November 6, 2010 11:01am
Monty

Anyone had enough of the “precious” teachers? I recommend that all concerned parents whose children go to a boycotting school write to the BoT expresing their concern and lodging at the same time an OIA on the consultation process, the voting, the mandate for the boycott, union information and any other relevant information.

I have done so and today in full panic mode I understand there is an extraordinary BoT meeting to discuss my letter. Many many parents are extremely concerned and it is time to fight back.
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November 6, 2010 11:16am
Chuck Bird

It is good to see the Herald support ACT on this important issue.

Why are they doing this – to cause problems with National’s coalition partners?

Hidden danger in sacred sand
By John Roughan
5:30 AM Saturday Nov

“That probably covers everything we want to do on the beach or in boats although, as the Act Party has pointed out, it does not state we can do them for free.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10685629
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November 6, 2010 11:27am
Fletch

Believe this or not, but according to a Mumbai news source, Obama’s team in India are building him a 1 kilometre air conditioned tunnel to drive through when he visits the Gandhi museum…

It could give a sense of superior American organisation, or be an indicator of a deep-set persecution complex. It could also be a manifestation of Uncle Sam’s penchant for a show of strength.

The matter pertains to US president Barack Obama’s planned visit to Mani Bhavan —the Gandhi museum — on November 6, soon after he reaches Mumbai. On Monday, US secret agents visited the museum to plan Obama’s security detail.

They were accompanied by officers of Mumbai Police and civic officials of the D ward (where Mani Bhavan is located). While inspecting the route and the buildings lining up the route to the museum, the Americans detected a skyscraper near Peddar road and also found the area to be highly populated.

Since it is difficult to monitor such a congested area, they came up with a quick solution which left the Indians accompanying them amazed: A bomb-proof over-ground tunnel — to be installed by US military engineers in just an hour.

The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.

Details about when exactly the tunnel would be made were not forthcoming. But officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Obama leaves the area.

It’s getting to be absurd now. What next? Build him an exact replica of his Whitehouse bedroom so he doesn’t feel homesick?
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November 6, 2010 11:32am
Fletch

Check out this video…

It’s from the weightlifting championships in Poland. An Israeli wins gold, an Iranian Silver, and German bronze.
The Iranian refuses to shake the Israeli’s hand, and later the Iranian weightlifter and the Iranian coach are banned for life by their country for standing next to an Israeli in the medal ceremony. The other members of the Iranian team have destroyed all CDs and photos relating to the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDecG6BWncA&feature=player_embedded

Mir Rasool Raisi, Head of Delegation to Iran’s Weightlifting Team, and Hossein Khodadadi, a veteran weightlifting champion, have been banned from all sport activities for life. Mr. Khodadadi appeared on the platform beside an Israeli weight champion during the Poland competitions.
Jalal Yahya-Zadeh, head of Physical Education Committee for Youth Committee announced this news and and added: “The fact that an Iranian weightlifting veteran has competed against an Israeli during the worldwide competitions and has stood beside him during the distribution of medal is unjustifiable.”

He added:“Unfortunately, those who supposedly had the primary responsibility in this regard did not see any problem in this matter, however did not see it fit to be distributed within the public, which itself is an obvious mistake on their end.”
Mr. Yahia-zadeh pointed to Mir Rasool Raisi’s remarks on publication of news and pictures of Iranian and Israeli athletes beside one another.

Mr Raisi has stressed the accompanying members of the Iranian expeditionary team had destroyed all CDs and photos and did not expect happening of such matter.
Physical Education and Youth Committee has stated the Cultural Commissioners have been informed and the president has also been warned of such matter.
Mr. Yahia-zadeh has recommended to the safeguard organization of the Physical Education Committee to prevent such matters from happening.

Story LINK

Such pettiness! They just can’t stand it.
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November 6, 2010 11:58am
reid

…the Americans detected a skyscraper near Peddar road…

Crikey that was clever of them, wasn’t it. I wonder if the person who first noticed it received a Presidential Citation?

The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.

I wonder if it occurred to anyone that it might be better to visit some other museum?
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November 6, 2010 12:08pm
Fletch

While we’re stuck with increased costs in NZ because of the imbeciles who put through the ETS, in America – thanks largely to the Republicans winning – cap and trade is dead. Good for them, now can we repeal ours?
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November 6, 2010 12:34pm
adze

It’s from the weightlifting championships in Poland. An Israeli wins gold, an Iranian Silver, and German bronze.
The Iranian refuses to shake the Israeli’s hand, and later the Iranian weightlifter and the Iranian coach are banned for life by their country for standing next to an Israeli in the medal ceremony. The other members of the Iranian team have destroyed all CDs and photos relating to the event.

It sounded like there were about 5 people in the audience…
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November 6, 2010 12:44pm
Sector 7g

This made my day. Talk about getting shot by your own gun.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10685764
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November 6, 2010 12:53pm
Manolo

The scam continues: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.65d35f849629004f3f01ff977b2a3e33.741&show_article=1

It’s to expected that the deranged Nick Smith will be in favour of this idea. More taxes coming our way.
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November 6, 2010 12:55pm
Sector 7g

Now they know how we feel when dealing with their laws and restrictions.
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November 6, 2010 12:57pm
Inventory2

@ Monty – good on you mate. I wonder how many parents from the 240 schools whose BoT’s have signed up to the boycott have any idea that such a move is afoot.
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November 6, 2010 1:04pm
Yvette

Once more to the beaches . . .
” Customary marine title holders will have the power to exclude the public from places of “wahi tapu”.
The bill invokes the definition of wahi tapu in the Historic Places Act: “A place sacred to Maori in the traditional, spiritual, religious, ritual, or mythological sense.”

Probably the question is: Will any beach, or area concerned, be found to be tapu, which is not that today?
And: How long do a people need to be doing something before it is a customary right – Pakeha as well as Maori;
or, as Maori by Willie Jackson’s definition are unable to be racist, can Europeans never have customary right?
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November 6, 2010 1:07pm
reid

From Sector 7g’s link which is about a long-established hippie community being told to pull their buildings down by the local council:

Council chief executive Steve Ruru said discussions had not resulted in progress to a point where the council could be confident that users of the buildings were not at risk. Its decisions had not been made lightly, but it had little choice.

Why did it have “little choice?” (The community is willing to comply but needs RMA consents and the council won’t delay while they get them.)

The place has been there since the 1960’s FFS.

What the hell does the mayor think this will do to him/her politically, if s/he thinks at all, which seems unlikely.

Boy when Campbell Live gets this one they’ll make a really big deal of it.

Live shots of the poor downtrodden and now-homeless hippies as they move out of their suddenly “unsafe” structures all of which have just happened to have somehow held up without collapsing and killing anyone, over all these years.

So well done, Thames-Coromandel District Council mayor and CEO, you’re about to become very famous indeed.
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November 6, 2010 1:10pm
reid

“Probably the question is: Will any beach, or area concerned, be found to be tapu, which is not that today?”

To which the probable answer, is no. Maori take wahi tapu very very seriously. It’s not something they would tolerate were any of their number be dumb enough to try it on for the reasons you suggest because in their way that would contaminate the sacred spiritual nature of it.

“can Europeans never have customary right”

No. Why? Is that a problem for you if we don’t?
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November 6, 2010 1:22pm
Inventory2

How calm was Qantas captain Richard de Crespigny? He must have ice-water coursing through his veins – check out the video here:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/11/flying-high.html
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November 6, 2010 1:29pm
trout

Reid you may have missed how local Maori declared Puketutu island tapu (to prevent disposal of treated sludge). After receiving compensation they decided the island was not so tapu after all; just the ‘more precious parts’.
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November 6, 2010 1:43pm
DJP6-25

[Inventory2 1:29 pm] I wonder how much of an anti-American angle there would be if it was a Boeing, and not an Air-Edsel? Remember the early 90s, when there seemed to be an Air Edsel crash every week? Remember the lack of triumphalisim from Boeing when there were major delivery problems a few years ago with these planes? I’m sure glad it didn’t crash though.

cheers

David Prosser
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November 6, 2010 1:47pm
BeaB

I loved the way Mayor Tim wiped the floor with those young jokers who were having a sneer at him. Life in the old boy yet!
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November 6, 2010 3:33pm
Tina Palin

Lisa Murkowski must be stopped.

I backed Joe Miller, and I backed him for a very good reason – I own his balls.

Lisa Murkowski is an entitlement candidate who couldn’t even get her name printed on the ballot paper, but a lot of Alaskan dead fish wrote her name on the ballot and that is not in the Constitution. We must protect the Constitution from these writers inners and make sure democracy is presumed for the properly endorsed.

Lisa Murkowski is cheating.
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November 6, 2010 4:00pm
Tauhei Notts

It’s General Debate so I can have a whinge.
The Fonterra Group’s turnover for the year ended 31st July 2010 was $16,726,000,000. The income tax paid on that income was, I kid you not, ZERO!
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The turnover figure came from page 33 of their latest annual report. When companies pay income tax they must show a credit to their Imputation Credit Account. That Imputation Credit Account appears on page 48 of their report and shows that the company paid absolutely nothing.
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Am I alone in suggesting that this is fucking deplorable.
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November 6, 2010 4:27pm
Manolo

The ultraliberal Soros pushing for this never-ending scam: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-05/soros-panel-draft-says-bank-taxes-c02-auctions-can-fund-climate-aid.html
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November 6, 2010 4:39pm
reid

“Am I alone in suggesting that this is fucking deplorable.”

If its true, no, you’re not alone.
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November 6, 2010 4:42pm
Pete George

Must be more to it. Maybe Fonterra effectively transfer all tax paying liability to their shareholders.

Fonterra Co-operative Group Ltd has posted a profit of $685 million for the year to July 31.

The Government’s decision not to allow tax depreciation on buildings with a life greater than 50 years cost Fonterra a $61 million deferred tax adjustment.

http://www.guide2.co.nz/money/news/business/fonterra-lifts-sales-profit-and-milkprice/11/19248
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November 6, 2010 4:49pm
nickb

Must be more to it.

This. No offence Tauhei but I often see this said on this blog. “So-and-so bank only had an effectiver tax rate of x, when the company rate is 30%”

There are expenses, drawings,, all sorts of writeoffs, subvention payments tc to factor into it.
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November 6, 2010 5:09pm
reid

I think Tauhei’s general point was big companies deliberately build complicated financial structures specifically in order to take advantage of some break and the more they can make the more artificial contortions they’ll go through and the banks recent adventures is a prime example and not only the banks do it and why the fuck should we allow anything of the sort to happen?

He’s got a point.
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November 6, 2010 5:42pm
Tauhei Notts

Reid,
Not all companies are like that. Contact Energy Ltd paid $39,166,000 income tax during the past year.
reference; their annual report page 74.
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November 6, 2010 6:43pm
kaya

And talking about banks, printing Disney dollars to devalue your currency and a myriad of other dodgy dealings that seem to go on without any consequences. The noises coming out from various quarters after the latest flurry of printing by the Fed are taking on a more serious tone:

* “As long as the world exercises no restraint in issuing global currencies such as the dollar – and this is not easy – then the occurrence of another crisis is inevitable,” says Xia Bin, an adviser to China’s central bank

* Brazilian finance minister Guido Mantega – who warned in September the United States was launching a “currency war” – was more direct: “Everybody wants the US economy to recover, but it does no good at all to just throw dollars from a helicopter”

* Germany’s finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble was the most blunt of all, saying QE2 won’t solve America’s problems, but it will “create extra problems for the world.”

“With all due respect,” Schäuble added, “US policy is clueless.”

Get the deckchairs, beer and chippies out. The next G20 meeting is going to be interesting.

Original article: http://dailyreckoning.com/the-world-reacts-to-qe2/#hl-world+reacts+to+qe2
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November 6, 2010 7:13pm
Manolo

“US policy is clueless.”

Exactly what the false messiah Obama wants. The first anti-American president doing his worst to collapse the system.
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November 6, 2010 7:25pm
big bruv

Check this out..

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=2664

It seems our currently suspended nut job Redbaiter (and his moronic pal Kris K) really do not have a lot of time for Kiwiblog and most of it contributors, seems we are just not religious enough for them.

Seriously though, there are some real nutters over at Crusader Rabbit, many of them are as much a threat to freedom and liberty as the left they so despise.
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November 6, 2010 8:15pm
Tina Palin

big bruv, these men are true American patriots, living in NZ they form a part of our fourth column, a clutch of useful teapots.

The third estate tries to bring them down, but I believe in god and elvis and redbaiter.
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November 6, 2010 8:18pm
reid

“And talking about banks, printing Disney dollars to devalue your currency…”

This is about China artificially holding the Yuan too low and at the same time participating in the T-bill market in order to keep the USD high. This advantages China and disadvantages the US because like any other nation, the US has to export more than it imports in order to prosper.

China of course being a creditor nation to the US doesn’t want it to tank, but of course it wants also to keep the upper hand for as long as possible.

In the face of complete Chinese obduracy in reducing the Yuan, the US have resorted to quantitative easing, which in this cases means printing and circulating 700+ billion USD with no commensurate asset backing in the form of T-bill sales.

It’s a puzzle to me why the current POTUS who has more Wall-Streeters than any other administration in history, has no solutions to this complete mess. Yes, it was handed to him. No, he has not made any difference, to the better.

If he’s not careful, people are going to start saying:

“It as better under Bush than under Obama.”

Printing money is Weimar Republic/Zimbabwe territory. It’s frankly shocking.
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November 6, 2010 8:48pm
hj

Aotearoa is Maori . Nothing only want about it. It’s a pity the left (Green Party etc) couldn’t be a bit more honest, but they don’t want to look like haters and wreckers.
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/article/?id=20043
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November 6, 2010 9:40pm
Pauleastbay

Big Bruv You are right all the loonies are at Crusader rabbit today.

Dear oh dear.
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November 6, 2010 9:52pm
hj

“Coastal Coalition are advocating that the public of New Zealand deny the independent sovereign owners of New Zealand, the Maori people, their last property of value, while advocating their own price tag support subscription variation of $50, $100, $500 and $1000.”
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The public of NZ are not the sovereign owners (of NZ) …. the public of NZ are……..?
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/article/?id=20043
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November 6, 2010 10:09pm
kaya

“This is about China artificially holding the Yuan too low…” that’s true too reid and while the big boys play monopoly NZ gets screwed.

“It’s a puzzle to me why the current POTUS……..has no solutions to this complete mess.”

When something makes no sense, follow the money. Cui bono.

It is irrelevant who the POTUS is, they are only the face for marketing purposes. The big decisions are made elsewhere. The problem may well be that it is BECAUSE Obama has so many Wall Streeters in his administration that they won’t do the right thing. The bailouts help no one but their buddies in the banks and financial markets, they do nothing to get the real economy going. The one that makes things and provides real services.

From the book 13 Bankers:

“My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”
—Barack Obama, March 27, 2009

The introduction is here, well worth the read.

http://13bankers.com/excerpt/

The fractional reserve banking system is no more than a Ponzi scheme. Banks create money from nothing. It is legalised counterfeiting. It WILL implode totally unless the power to create money is given back to the Government.
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November 6, 2010 10:19pm
hj

[Censored Green Party Blog]
MP David Clendon
The Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill depends upon one key assumption, and that is that Māori rights are derived from the Crown and, by extension, from the Government of the day acting on the Crown’s behalf. The provisions of this bill make sense only if one accepts that primary assumption, and as it is one that the Green Party does not, and cannot, accept, we cannot offer any support for this bill.
http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/marine-and-coastal-area-takutai-moana-bill-david-clendon-speaks-first-reading

Which is a fancy way of saying
Coalition of ignorant colonists
Thursday, November 04, 2010 • Ohomauri Ripia Gisborne Herald
It was Busby who helped the Maori inhabitants to declare in October 28, 1835 the Independence of New Zealand, which means:

P.5. That Maori owned the foreshore and seabed in 1835 and still do. In compliance with the independence of New Zealand, a fundamental principle of international law plus the 1840 Treaty/Tiriti of Waitangi, Article 2/ Ture 2 amended the preamble and Article 1/Ture 1 which declared sovereignty to Queen Victoria, a constitutional monarch of Great Britain.
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/article/?id=20043

Gareth Hughes says:
“Kiwis love our ocean.”
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/11/05/way-less-than-10-pure-new-zealand-marine-environment/

Which goes to show the Greens talk out of both sides of their mouths*.

*to say different things to different people about the same subject
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November 6, 2010 10:36pm
hj

The far-left campaign to silence critics of Islam
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2009/the-far-left-campaign-to-silence-critics-of-islam/
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