General Debate 19 November 2010

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Yvette

Premier !

The Japanese, like I, must be wondering about yesterday’s announcement that Japanese, protesters sinking share blame, when Sea Shepherd was party to an agreement that they would not at any time place themselves in a position for what occurred. Sea Shepherd is entirely at fault.

As posted here on Kiwiblog, under The whining Bethune, July 13
Notification [Form 1185] For 2009/10
Issued by the Minister of Foreign Affairs
Under the Antarctic [Environment protection] Act 1994

Company/Organisation: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
For an Antarctic voyage by the Ady Gil carrying 6 Passengers

Clause 11
The Ady Gil must not interfere with vessels of the Japanese whaling fleet in ways that may entail risk of collision or other consequence that might result in marine pollution and risk of more than a minor or transitory effect on the Antarctic environment, as well as risk to human safety.

The question remains what action will the New Zealand Government take against Sea Shepherd for breaking their undertaking. A range of options is supposedly available to Minister McCully. I trust withholding permission for any future Antarctic voyage is definitely a start.
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November 19, 2010 8:01am
Murray

I see the McCartten Rent A Hippie rabble came all the way from Dunedin to make assholes of themselves in public. No work to do? Too much money to throw about?
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November 19, 2010 8:16am
pollywog

^^^one swallow does not a summer make
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November 19, 2010 8:28am
Lance

What an awful bunch of shitheads heckling the PM last yesterday in Mana.
Normally making a scene involves some sort of point to make, even witty repartee. But this was just rock ape stuff with a mindlessness rent-a-mob.
Then there was the ugly slug pushing Police and then yelling out that the only reason you are stopping me is because I am a PI.
Lowest form of taker.

Vile
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November 19, 2010 8:36am
Chuck Bird

Far North protesters push tourists away

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688500

When is this government going to do something about these lawbreakers?

The treaty negotiations with the tribe of rabble should be put on hold until they stop their illegal protest. They are in breach of the treaty where they agreed to abide by the rule of law.

The foreshore and seabed legislation has built up unreasonable expectations. National’s desire to stay in power at any cost has brought race relations to an all time low.

It would be nice if John Key put the future of New Zealand ahead of fulfilling his childhood dream. If he is a one term prime minister his childhood dream will be rather hollow.
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November 19, 2010 8:40am
CraigM

I see that G_d went all Sodam & Gomorrah on the Palace Hotel.

So endeth the great brothel debate.

A sad end for a piece of Auckland’s history has been stopped…………by a sad end.
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November 19, 2010 8:44am
Chuck Bird

Another good reason to vote ACT – one law for all.

Hellish day for some as women turn up heat

By Claire Trevett
5:30 AM Thursday Nov 18, 2010

Herald investigations revealed the article in question was based on a press release from Mrs te Heuheu when she was women’s affairs spokeswoman in opposition in 2003. She accused Labour of a “PC double standard” for retaining, and even strengthening, the ministry when it was folding Youth Development into another department.

She variously described the Women’s Affairs Ministry as a “sexist stereotype [which] reinforces the archaic notion that women need some kind of protection from modern society” and a “governmental relic from another era”. She wound up by saying the time might be right to review its future.

Two women were delighted to hear of Mrs te Heuheu’s previous ambitions for the ministry. Act’s own girl power, MPs Heather Roy and Hilary Calvert, issued a statement roundly applauding Mrs te Heuheu’s 2003 vision and calling for it to be fulfilled.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688240
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November 19, 2010 8:46am
pollywog

They are in breach of the treaty where they agreed to abide by the rule of law.

the treaty recognizes and guarantees Maori ownership/sovereignty. The law states they rightfully own that land and therfore have a right to inform trespassers to piss off somewhere they’re welcome.

and the sooner you stop using that word ‘race’ the better relations will be
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November 19, 2010 9:02am
Rodders

pollywog said “The law states they rightfully own that land”

pollywog, could you please assist by quoting the statute or decided case that supports your inference that Maori can make a claim on land that is not owned by the crown.
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November 19, 2010 9:07am
Lance

Now Rodders…
Your just being a colonist oppressor for wanting ‘facts’… now dare you!
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November 19, 2010 9:18am
Rodders

Lance 😉
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November 19, 2010 9:20am
pollywog

sure Rodders, go back 200 years and the case for the crown simply vanishes.

so who exactly is this ‘crown’ you speak of ?
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November 19, 2010 9:21am
Fletch

Am reading Crimes Against Liberty by David Limbaugh about Obama and his administration. Is quite an eye-opener. Yes, I know that with the name “Limbaugh” in there this will be seen as very right wing, but Obama’s actions are pretty much a matter of record. Below is an excerpt showing some of the bribes he made to get ObamaCare through.

ObamaCare also earned notoriety because the administration resorted to the crudest kind of political bribery to pass it, marking a shocking violation of Obama’s core campaign promises of transparent government and an end to backroom deals.

There was the “Louisiana Purchase,” whereby Obama and his Democrats bought Senator Mary Landrieu’s vote with a promise to send $300 million in additional Medicaid funding to Louisiana. There was the “Cornhusker Kickback,” the administration’s disgraceful bribe of Nebraska senator Ben Nelson with a promise to exempt his state from its share of Medicaid expansion, meaning that the other forty-nine states would subsidize Nebraska’s new Medicaid recipients to the tune of about $45 million over the first decade. Obama, in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer, denied he had been involved in the Nelson deal, which was ultimately dropped from the bill due to public opposition. “Let’s hold on a second, Diane. . . . So let’s just clarify. I didn’t make a bunch of deals.”32 But his aid Rahm Emanuel, when asked about the Cornhusker Kickback, told a different story to CBS’s Katie Couric: “Look, we were involved in the legislation all the way through. . . . We were helpful in getting the bill off the Senate floor.”

Then there was Senator Bernie Sanders, who secured $10 billion in new funding for community health centers for Vermont, though he denied it was a “sweetheart deal.” Nebraska’s Senator Nelson and Michigan senator Carl Levin also secured an exemption for non-profit insurers in their respective states from a significant excise tax, which will be borne by the other forty-eight states. Pennsylvania, New York, and Florida received special protections for their Medicare Advantage beneficiaries when the program was making nationwide cuts.34 Senator Chris Dodd received $100 million in funding for a university hospital—not that his vote was ever in doubt. Vermont and Massachusetts will receive federal subsides for their Medicaid expansion costs.35

Obama silenced Big Pharma’s opposition by agreeing not to further cut Medicare’s payments to them and by abandoning his campaign promise to push for importing drugs from Canada. He allegedly won the support of the American Medical Association by agreeing to cancel all or part of the 21 percent cut in physicians’ reimbursements (the “doc fix”). He seduced AARP with a promise to eliminate subsidies for Medicare Advantage, which was eating into AARP’s side business, the Medi-gap insurance program, which supplements Medicare coverage.36 In exchange for its support and in keeping with Obama’s unsavory alliance with unions, Big Labor earned an exemption from the new Cadillac tax on high-cost insurance coverage.37

But one industry wouldn’t give in to Obama: the medical device industry, which rejected Obama’s Godfather-like offer to cut costs in exchange for his promise not to impose even worse cuts.38 Now those crucial, life-saving companies are facing a 2.3 percent excise tax on sales of medical devices, which is expected to raise $20 billion over ten years to help fund ObamaCare. Industry experts fear the tax will destroy jobs, innovation, and small companies with thin profit margins.39 It will also likely increase the cost, and thus reduce the availability, of such devices as automatic external defibrillators (AEDs), whose wide availability, according to research reported by the New England Journal of Medicine, could significantly improve the survival rates of cardiac arrest patients .40

Perhaps even more disturbing were indications Obama’s parade of bribes and threats at times may have descended into illegality. For example, there was widespread speculation that Obama offered judgeships to secure healthcare votes. The Weekly Standard reported that in March 2010 Obama hosted ten House Democrats who had voted against the House bill the previous November. One of the ten was Utah’s Jim Matheson, whose brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr., was nominated by Obama that very day to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.

Taking in the full ugliness and corruption of this process, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said, “This bill is a monstrosity, a 2,100-page monstrosity full of special deals for people who are willing to vote for it. And they’re playing these kind of games with the nation’s health care. This is an outrage.”
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November 19, 2010 9:28am
CraigM

polly – “the treaty recognizes and guarantees Maori ownership/sovereignty”

Another attempt to re-write history ? The treaty guarantees ownership but clearly cedes sovereignty, absolutely and without reservation.

Article the first [Article 1]
The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty The Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof.
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November 19, 2010 9:28am
Rodders

pollywog said “go back 200 years and the case for the crown simply vanishes. so who exactly is this ‘crown’ you speak of ?”

I’m afraid I have lost the manual for my Tardis, so getting back to 1810 could be a bit of a stretch (I might get it a few years out and end up witnessing Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow.) In 1810, the monarch was King George III, but (as with you) what he said didn’t always make that much sense.
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November 19, 2010 9:29am
david

200 years ago, the “occupier” of any bit of dirt was the guy who had killed (and probably eaten bits of) the previous “occupier”. There just happens to be a new occupier who operates under somewhat more civilised conventions and who by the “old” definition, has just as much right of occupation.
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November 19, 2010 9:31am
pdm

Rodders – according to Whale Oil Kris Farfoi has a Tardis so he might take you back there. He has been everywhere else!!
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November 19, 2010 9:39am
pollywog

uh yeah craig M but thats not what the Maori version says is it or what they thought they signed ?…nor does it take into account lands and resources confiscated from iwi who didn’t sign, like Tuhoe and Te Urewera ?

and you still haven’t answered who the ‘crown’ is Rodders.
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November 19, 2010 9:43am
Rodders

pollywog said “and you still haven’t answered who the ‘crown’ is Rodders.”

Here is some weekend reading for you, pollywog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_New_Zealand
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November 19, 2010 9:48am
Rick Rowling

Obvious headline for the day:

LARGE CRACKS FOUND IN BROTHEL
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November 19, 2010 9:52am
pollywog

200 years ago, the “occupier” of any bit of dirt was the guy…

200 years ago, the owner of the land was the iwi whose waiata sung the stars to the land to the sea and to the people.

operates under somewhat more civilised conventions heh…thats a good one
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November 19, 2010 9:53am
Murray

The “crown” would be the party to the agreement that aquired sovereignty via that agreement.

Arsing about with time travel wont change that.
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November 19, 2010 10:02am
Murray

Which particular paid leftist troll is this “pollywog” a reincarnation off DPF?
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November 19, 2010 10:03am
pollywog

The Crown is regarded as a corporation, with the sovereign, in the position of head of state,[2] as the centre of a construct in which the power of the whole is shared by multiple institutions of government acting under the sovereign’s authority.[27] Though this power stems from the people, all New Zealanders live under the authority of the monarch.

bless her little cottonsocks
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November 19, 2010 10:07am
RightNow

No Right Turn has a post where he says

“Since 2008 Maori incomes have dropped 11.5 per cent, or $50, on average, while Pacific Island wages have sunk by a staggering 19 per cent, or $89.”

“19 percent. Imagine that sucked out of your pay packet

It’s quite misleading, since the stats include those on benefits rather than being an analysis strictly of those employed, so in actuall fact 19% is not being sucked out of paypackets. Rather some are no longer getting paypackets – they’ve moved to benefits. It’s not that incomes for those who are employed are going down, it’s that unemployment has increased.

That’s still not a good thing, but the reasons for that are not necessarily all National’s doing (while the post is titled “effects of a National government”) http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2010/11/effects-of-national-government.html

Firstly our unemployment rate is better than many other countries during this recession (well below the USA’s 9.6% under the great and wise Obama, for example). Secondly, although the Pasifikan (using your designation pollywog – correct me if I’m wrong) peoples are mostly affected, that’s a correlation rather than a causation. It’s not because they’re Pasifikan that they’re unemployed, rather it’s because demand has dropped for the skills they have in the geographic area they live in.

So is the answer to increase the minimum wage to $15/hr? While that would be great for those employed, it will do nothing for those on benefits, and will probably lead to more unemployment (when employers have tight staff budgets they’ll have to reduce staff numbers to cover the $15/hr, or else risk the whole business going under).

So is the answer to increase the benefits? In the short term it would raise the average, but in the longer term it would increase benefit dependency.

The real answer is to increase the skills that would help the Pasifikans be more competitive in the employment market.
This is a longer term strategy, as there has to be some skills training programs and changes to education (e.g. National Standards) that help lift the achievement rate of Pasifikans in comparison to others.

Obviously more jobs are needed as well, for everyone – not just Pasifikans, but that is not directly influential on the statistics that were analysed
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November 19, 2010 10:12am
Murray

“bless her little cottonsocks”

Convincing argument. not sure of its legal merits though.
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November 19, 2010 10:12am
pollywog

The real answer is to increase the skills that would help the Pasifikans be more competitive in the employment market.

This is a longer term strategy, as there has to be some skills training programs and changes to education (e.g. National Standards) that help lift the achievement rate of Pasifikans in comparison to others.

National standards will only tell us what we already know…the system fails and has always failed Pasifikans, inclusive of Maori.

stripping money from early childhood education, under resourcing teachers, tightening entry to tertiary institutions, canning night classes, cutting training subsidies etc etc etc… will ensure we slip further behind while multiplying that underclass Key was so worried about in one of his electioneering speeches.

http://www.johnkey.co.nz/archives/28-National-to-tackle-NZs-growing-underclass.html

and the solution/long term strategy of giving money to shonkey operators like PEDA ltd or some of those Whanau Ora trusts to solve the problem is like giving aid money to the Samoan gov’t….uhh wher’d it go ?

enough bullshit rhetoric lipsevice and token handwaving gestures…who amongst the current gov’t has any real ideas or the cojones to even admit the problem lies in the eurocentric bias ???
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November 19, 2010 10:49am
grumpyoldhori

When was the Foreshore put into crown hands except of course for that owned by the precious fair skinned ?
All the reich wingers keep ranting that the Foreshore is crown land, so when was it transferred ?

As for up north, well they could send the anti-terrorist types, you know those ones who were not to keen on taking on a 1000 odd Solomon Islanders armed with choppers so they left it to a half platoon.
No, may not be wise in pissing off the Northern iwi’s come to think of it.
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November 19, 2010 11:12am
jinpy

Pollywog,

Look RightNow explained away your problems in an earlier post. It’s frankly annoying that you keep bringing this up. We’ve got our lives to feel self-satisfied about you know, without you Pasifikan underachievers making us feeling guilty. Me and my friends were heartily in agreement over some Belgian ales at the pub last night that National Standards will solve everything.
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November 19, 2010 11:14am
Brian Smaller

National standards will only tell us what we already know…the system fails and has always failed Pasifikans, inclusive of Maori.

What crap. I know plenty of Maoris and PIs who can read, write and are probably better at Math than I am. The system didn’t fail them, and it rarely fails people who want their kids to be better than them. The people who ‘fail’ in the system, in my opinion, come from environments where academic achievement and success are not seen as worthy.
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November 19, 2010 11:23am
Repton

pollywog, could you please assist by quoting the statute or decided case that supports your inference that Maori can make a claim on land that is not owned by the crown.

If I steal something of yours, and then sell it, does the buyer now own what I sold?
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November 19, 2010 11:27am
grumpyoldhori

Brian Smaller, Math ? it is Maths dear boy, at least in this country.
Hories who can scratch with a stick and read, some even know that Maths can be useful, well I never.
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November 19, 2010 11:29am
grumpyoldhori

Repton come to think of it was is the law on that ? if a family is using a stolen item after five generations knowing it was stolen are they breaking the law ?

Or does time wipe out all crime ?
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November 19, 2010 11:33am
pollywog

hehe…as you were jinpy

I know plenty of Maoris and PIs who can read, write and are probably better at Math than I am.

ooooh yay, lets play the numbers game… i know plenty of whitey who dont have jobs too but not as many as i do Pasifikans

The people who ‘fail’ in the system, in my opinion, come from environments where academic achievement and success are not seen as worthy.

…so how will national standards change that again ?
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November 19, 2010 11:37am
Rodders

Repton, if you believe that the Waitangi Tribunal should be able to be recommend privately owned land be returned to iwi, then you might like to suggest what proportion of their DNA has to be Maori for someone to be a beneficiary of such a claim.
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November 19, 2010 11:50am
Brian Smaller

Pollywog – As soon as you use the word ‘whitey’ you show what a rascist you really are. Get over yourself and try getting useless parents you personally know to value education and what it can give – not just in terms of a job but in learning. Get them to teach their kids that doing well at school doesn’t mean that they are some sort of uncle Tom, letting the side down.
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November 19, 2010 12:03pm
Chuck Bird

“Pollywog – As soon as you use the word ‘whitey’ you show what a rascist ”

That would depend if Pollywog is a Maori. Maori cannot be racist according Hone and the racist Dutchman with the HRC.
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November 19, 2010 12:19pm
RightNow

“without you Pasifikan underachievers making us feeling guilty”

On one hand we get the accusation that testing everyone to the same standard is unfair, some people learn differently to others, why do we have to have systems that label people ‘failures’ or ‘underachievers’ etc.
Then we get the accusation that it’s unfair that Pasifikans aren’t paid the same as whitey, or that the system is geared against them so they can’t get a job etc.

I guess I could take the simple approach that “until someone starts up businesses that employ tens of thousands of Pasifikans who don’t achieve according to whitey’s labels, Pasifikans will have to accept that they’re going to have higher numbers unemployed than whiteys”

Or I could struggle along trying to make the point that achieving in school is the best way for Pasifikans to achieve parity in the workforce. The left approach seems to be ‘Pasifikans are different and so shouldn’t have to be subject to the same education and testing systems that whitey is’. How’s that working out in the real world?
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November 19, 2010 12:32pm
RightNow

pollywog “admit the problem lies in the eurocentric bias ?”

There’s some element of truth in that, primarily that the economic systems we have in place are adopted from eurocentric countries and are usually markedly different than traditional Maori systems. However the sticking point is that you can’t decree one day that tomorrow everything changes, then wake up the next day and have a whole new system. That’s just not going to happen (it potentially could have if the US and EU countries hadn’t bailed out the banks, but even Obama wasn’t brave enough to put the world through the pain of change).

Basically if you use eurocentric statistics (such as median and average incomes) to show how Pasifikans are disadvantaged then you’ve got to look at how to improve the performance of Pasifikans within this eurocentric framework. When you compare Pasifikan incomes against whitey’s incomes, then you’ve got a conundrum – why compare Pasifikan with whitey here (incomes) and not here (academic achievement)?
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November 19, 2010 12:42pm
Chuck Bird

Could any of you who go on about Maori getting bad deal 150 to 200 years name one country where the native or aboriginal people got a better deal from the colonising power?
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November 19, 2010 12:45pm
jinpy

Brian Smaller,

Do you essentially mean assimilate into NZ culture as it is now and forget your own culture and past grievances?

The problem as i see it, is that currently there is a significant underclass of people who don’t have the skills, resources or necessarily the desire to achieve in the current system. Moreover, they don’t have the skills or inclination to pass on to their children the motivation to achieve in the current system. This underclass is disproportionately Maori and Pacific because of historical reasons and perhaps partly because of other correlated variables related to historical reasons (cycles of poverty) and demographics (higher recent birth rate as compared to the national average (ignoring immigration)).

The question is, why does this group not seek to aspire in the current system, what holds them back? Assuming resources were targetted at areas to combat poverty, and successful programs were implemented and strengthened (such as some of the community based learning that was scrapped recently, school lunch programs etc), would there still be a reluctance to achieve in the current system from Maori and Pacific children in these areas? Of course there are plenty of examples of Maori and Pacific people achieving in different ways already, I am referring to the disproportionate numbers that are in cycles of poverty, crime, violence.

The question is, how relevant is history and culture and identity. Why don’t people, as recent immigrants often do, adapt their identity to the new culture they live in and use their resources as best they can to secure a foothold and elevate their children to a better position. Why do some people identify with a clearly impoverished group identity that limits their chances of success, rather than assimilate into the dominant culture?

What is the reality of privilege of the historically dominant group, how far does it extend into the present? How does evolutionary in-group/out-group behaviour guide our association into people of similar groups and background, and does this entrench privilege in present and subsequent generations? How real is discrimination based on background or ethnicity? Who still dominates the power structures of government, commerce, local government, media, and who decides on the icons and flavour of national identity? What intrinsic biases and discrimination may exist in our education system, our institutions?

How Eurocentric is NZ? What is our cultural identity? What are the assumed shared experiences, perspectives that guide most of us in our social circles and our attitude to the past and to current grievance? Who, as a group, owns the most land and resources and has the best platform for putting their children into the better opportunities through location, resources, schooling and network connections with people established in the power base? In a competive society model do we want to elevate, or do we care at all, about those lower down the chain than us?

tldr, is the majority opinion that Maori and Pacific shoud assimilate into the current NZ culture and put emphasis on success and forget about grievances of the past or perceived imbalances in power? What is identity and culture and why do people wish to hold on to it even in the face of failure? How do you or I contribute to the status quo, would we as individuals, if the boot was on the other foot, have the same opinions? Do we ever sit back and acknowledge who’s running the show?
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November 19, 2010 12:48pm
big bruv

“The people who ‘fail’ in the system, in my opinion, come from environments where academic achievement and success are not seen as worthy.”

So the answer to that is to funnel them endless amounts of my money?

At some stage these losers need to accept the idea that life owes them nothing, the problem with the left is that they have no genuine desire to see these people better themselves, they would rather just pay them more to do nothing safe in the knowledge that they will always have their vote.

The only way we are going to ensure that academic achievement and hard work is the norm is to make benefits much harder to get and to put time limits on them, it should not be an option to spend a lifetime on the dole.

People like Pollywog, Maggie and Ure are parasites feeding off the hard working tax payer, this cannot continue.
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November 19, 2010 12:50pm
Repton

Could any of you who go on about Maori getting bad deal 150 to 200 years name one country where the native or aboriginal people got a better deal from the colonising power?

As I understand it, the Maori got a pretty good deal. The problem is that the Crown didn’t stick to the deal.

It’s interesting to see right-wingers sticking up for the government’s right to seize private land by force…
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November 19, 2010 1:15pm
jinpy

I say a compulsory element of Te Reo Maori in schools at least up to 5th form. It could be the new-Latin, encourage learning of skills for language acquisition (transferrable to learning other languages if someone would wish to from a purely economic perspective) and offering a middle way in reconciliation.
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November 19, 2010 1:15pm
kowtow

Yeh Chuck,what have the colonists ever done for anyone except bleed them white and steal their land?

“aqueducts,sanitation,roads,medicine,education,health.

They certainly know how to keep order…….and peace.

Peace,yes shut up!”
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November 19, 2010 1:16pm
Repton

it should not be an option to spend a lifetime on the dole.

Better to spend a lifetime begging on the streets?
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November 19, 2010 1:18pm
Pete George

An excerpt from the Herald:

The Herald on Sunday gossip columnist Rachel Glucina made peace and apologised to the woman she had termed a “prickly fish”, a “princess” and “too bloody perfect”.

After coffee Ali – who features frequently in the social pages – had been transformed into “endearingly frank, warm and engaging”.

This illustrates a common problem with person-politician, blogposter-blogposter, email-email and facebook-facebook relationships – none of them are face to face, many things are guessed and assumed about the other party. It’s similar to phone-phone (often business relationships) – it’s common to finally meet someone in person and be very surprised at what they are really like.

Perhaps the growth in non-personal relationships contributes as much as urbanisation did to lessening social skills and worsening behaviour. And it’s not just kids.
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November 19, 2010 1:21pm
Rodders

Repton, I presume that you own no personal assets as everything has been given to Maori, to show your solidarity with the injustice they have suffered.
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November 19, 2010 1:35pm
virtualmark

So Jinpy@12:48 … what’s your point?

The uncomfortable dilemma for Pasifikans (to use the General Debate word-of-the-day) is that they want to be authentic to their historic culture on the one hand, while also receiving the fruits of Euro culture (jobs, income etc) on the other.

As a Pakeha, from a Euro background, I’m fortunate in not having to worry about that trade-off. My culture, my language, my societal values, my work ethic … it all positions me to have a well paying job and a high standard of living. I totally acknowledge that’s a fortunate place to be.

As a Pasifikan I would have to make a choice about how I balance my culture, my (native) language, my societal values and my work ethic with what that means in terms of my job opportunities, my standard of living, my state of health etc. If I want the Euro standard of living then I may well have to compromise some of my native culture for Euro culture. If I want to be authentic to my native culture then I may well have to compromise on the standard of living I expect.

So I have to make a choice. Like an adult.

What would be foolish would be for me to think I can have it all. I can’t hold steadfast to my native culture and still expect a Euro standard of living – that’s 2 year olds logic.

I totally acknowledge that’s a tough dilemma. You could argue it’s “unfair” (although, define “fair”). But it’s not the white mans “fault”. It’s the reality of the brown man’s choice. I’m fine with whatever option they choose. But they need to own their choice and stop complaining about it.
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November 19, 2010 2:08pm
jinpy

@virtualmark
I don’t really have a coherent point apart from bringing up some perspectives on ethnic disparity.
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November 19, 2010 3:10pm
Manolo

Own supporters are now mocking the Messiah: http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1011/carville_obama_needs_some_balls.html
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November 19, 2010 3:12pm
Shunda barunda

Pike River coal mine just exploded, up to 26 miners unaccounted for.
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November 19, 2010 5:54pm
Viking2

Last I looked a day or so ago we were still borrowing about 250 mill a week and English was saying it going to continue till 2016.
Someone should tell the likes of that westie social development spender that its time to cut out the waste in her budget. It seems that she is intent on pursuing TV3 over that stupid labour woman and her face book. Off to court and all. No wonder we can’t pay our bills when a wasteful Cabinet Minister doesn’t know when to pull her head in and stop wasting time and money.
All cause her pride is hurt.
TV3 takes on minister over complaint
By Mary Longmore
12:53 PM Friday Nov 19, 2010

TV3 is taking the Broadcasting Standards Authority (BSA) to the High Court over its decision to hear a complaint from Social Development Minister Paula Bennett about a report that claimed she offered a beneficiary money to drop a privacy case.

Now that sounds like TV3 are the villan but no, Bennet is still arguing with Fuller.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688688
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November 19, 2010 5:56pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4365223/Mine-emergency-on-West-Coast
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November 19, 2010 6:03pm
MikeNZ

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/

Obama’s Jerusalem Apartheid

And what it comes down to is Apartheid. Plain and simple.

Obama does not object to Arab Muslims living in Jerusalem. He objects only to Jews living in Jerusalem. The issue is not about “Israelis”, as the media likes to present it, because Jerusalem Arabs and Jews are all citizens of Israel. What distinguishes them is race and religion.

Makes a lot of sense when you read what he said in Indonesia.
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November 19, 2010 6:12pm
shady

Prayers of hope for the miners at Pike River Coal.
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November 19, 2010 6:42pm
kaya

Good wishes from here for the miners.

Which foil hat said this?

“The essence of the contemporary monetary system is creation of money, out of nothing, by private banks often foolish lending.”

These are the words, not of a monetary crank, but of The Financial Times’ Chief Economics Commentator, a member of the national Independent Commission on Banking (ICB), and probably the most decorated and prestigious economics journalist in the country.

Martin Wolf

http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2010/11/14/beginning-of-a-monetary-revolution
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November 19, 2010 8:19pm
kaya

And even better, Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England.

“Of all the ways of organising banking, the worst is the one we have today. …eliminating fractional reserve banking explicitly recognizes that the pretence that risk-free deposits can be supported by risky assets is alchemy. To work, financial alchemy requires the implicit support of the tax payer…For a society to base its financial system on alchemy is a poor advertisement for its rationality.”

It’s time for a total transformation of our means of exchange, the current one is fucked.
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November 19, 2010 8:24pm
noskire

Stupid comment from Clare Curran on Twitter: I wonder if @CNN will get a live feed into #pikeriver before @TVNZ.

Apart from the fact that CNN grabs its NZ coverage from TVNZ, where do I start…

Update: Follow her tweets – they are disgusting @clarecurranmp.
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November 19, 2010 9:46pm
noskire

Latest tweet even worse: Advise all media 2 do quick read of how #beaconsfieldmine disaster unfolded & how the co went to ground. Held accountble by union
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November 19, 2010 9:50pm
Jack5

We’re proud of having a top Wall Street trader as our Prime Minister. Eminent Roman Catholic moral philospher Alasdair MacIntyre would take a different view, according to this articlle in Prospect, 20 October issue.

…There are skills, he argues, like being a good burglar, that are inimical to the virtues. Those engaged in finance—particularly money trading—are, in MacIntyre’s view, like good burglars. Teaching ethics to traders is as pointless as reading Aristotle to your dog. The better the trader, the more morally despicable.

The article, which I reached via Denis Dutton’s excellent web site, Arts & Letters Daily (aldaily.com):

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/10/alasdair-macintyre-on-money/
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