General Debate 17 November 2010

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southtop

will pansy open the door for act?
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November 17, 2010 8:02am
m@tt

I don’t see why not. Thieves look after their own.
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November 17, 2010 8:08am
m@tt

Taeaomanino Trust’s endorsement of Hekia Parata may be a poisoned chalice.
Trust inquiry as $100,000 goes missing

How did they manage to get another 1,500,000 tax payer dollars AFTER the social development ministry received a damning report from independent forensic accountants?
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November 17, 2010 8:15am
Rodders

Now the Popata’s have moved onto an adjacent private property. All credit to the locals who were not prepared to be intimidated by these thugs and held a picnic on the Taipa Bay Reserve.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688071
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November 17, 2010 8:16am
Murray

Hone Hawariwa delivers the kiss of death to matt. Sweet.
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November 17, 2010 8:20am
Yvette

Alas, television ads – not only is any imbecile or fool usually played by a male, now there seems to be a real push by four booze kings to portray men as truly Neanderthal [sorry, Jim] while the Transport Department has spent a mint heading the other way with some new age krap about Mancontrol.
“Turn it off, just change the channel, Yvette, turn if off dans l’intéret du Christ,” Redbaiter will scream [well, write] but the great unwashed don’t change the channel, they will – well, just let it all wash over them, and some of it must sink in, especially with the young.

I wonder if at my age I could still train as a councillor?
Quelle opportunité manquée !
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November 17, 2010 8:25am
Pete George

I wonder if at my age I could still train as a councillor?

You don’t have to train, you just have to get votes, but you’ll have to wait nearly three years for your next chance, or hope for a by-election.

If successful you could institute by-laws against mancontrol, that is so cringey.
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November 17, 2010 8:31am
Positan

@matt = “I don’t see why not. Thieves look after their own.”

The sort of inane and unqualified comment one sees so often from the Left. Where’s the evidence – or indeed, the relevance?”

Sadly, it well exemplifies the sort of fatuously embedded Labour/Green/Progressive attitude that whatever their political enemies can arrange or effect within the rules is wrong – yet, in circumstances where they’d be advantaged in attempting the exact same thing, their actions would be all but instantaneous.

I detest hypocrisy – especially when rendered as gratuitously and nonsensically as this. Not the slightest possibility of achieved advantage, just knee-jerk Leftist misery at its most holy.
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November 17, 2010 8:48am
Yvette

Malédictions! I have the wrong word – not ‘councillor’, I meant ‘counselor’ – someone who helps with your problems, not creates them for you.
Oh, well . . . maybe I need to learn English first.
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November 17, 2010 8:53am
Guy Fawkes

Will we ever see Union organised Student riots here like in the UK just now?
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November 17, 2010 8:54am
jackp

November 19th, Friday, is the last day for submissions for the Marine and Coastal area bill. Wonder why David Ferrar isn’t informing people of this bill? I know if Labour were putting it in, he’d be all over it like a shrew.
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November 17, 2010 8:54am
James Stephenson

Yvette – I’m waiting for this to hit our screens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blNOcugDeXE
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November 17, 2010 8:58am
Inventory2

So, when did it all turn to shite?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/11/times-have-changed.html
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November 17, 2010 9:22am
Fletch

Hajj pilgrims chanting “Death to America”, “Death to Israel”…
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November 17, 2010 9:22am
gravedodger

Well done to Daniel Vettori and his team, obviously they were mentally absent in Bangladesh recently and I wonder if that is causing a lower mental effort from the Indians who seriously dented the Aussie aura of invincibility during their recent trip to the Sub Continent.
A good all round effort by our cricketers to bowl India out 3 out of 4 innings, can the maintain it for the last test at Nagpur.
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November 17, 2010 9:27am
Manolo

Fletch, you are not talking about the obedient followers of the “religion of peace”, aren’t you?
They are so mild-mannered and polite that I’m very surprised by their uncivilised behaviour.
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November 17, 2010 9:27am
JiveKitty

Concerning: http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2010/11/2011-predictions.html
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November 17, 2010 9:35am
kaya

Here we go again.

“World markets fall on Irish debt fears”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10688185
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November 17, 2010 9:35am
Fletch

From conception to birth in 3D .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItjtWd0SpE
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November 17, 2010 9:39am
kaya

Insanity: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein”

Yet another housing bubble to test the financial markets.

Bubble sends home buyers to Hong Kong……….”There’s a strong belief among mainland Chinese that investing in property is the best way to preserve capital value.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10688047
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November 17, 2010 9:40am
Fletch

@Manolo, yeh…

And Obama keeps saying in speeches that America is “not at war with Islam” – well, Islam is definitely at war with America.
He’s an idiot.
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November 17, 2010 9:43am
wreck1080

I’ve been pretty disinterested in the new foreshore law the government is going to pass. THis is largely because they have been saying nothing much will change.

However, perhaps, this is not true.

Someone mentioned that this is worth reading….

http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly255.htm

If correct, it appears any old maori can make a claim, and if they happen to be mates with the minister at the time, they can get to own a beach.

This is sounding like it will be very bad for the country.

You could very well see, maori booting families off the beaches on the North shore, Aucklands Mission bay/ St Heliers, popular beaches such Mt Maunganui, and around the Coromandel etc.

Imagine, if Pita Sharples becomes the next minister responsible for deciding customary title. Under law, he will be able to grant customary title to any maori who applies.

I’m not sure if this is true or not, there are so many conflicting views.

But, if it is true, there will be civil conflict on a scale never seen before in New Zealand.
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November 17, 2010 9:48am
BeaB

Why are so many TV ads incomprehensible until the end?
Show us the shampoo, tell us why it is different from the others and how much it costs and piss off.
I don’t want dogs and families and scenarios that leave me ranting “what the bloody hell is this about?”
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November 17, 2010 9:53am
big bruv

Well said BeaB, a classic example is the new ASB advert, what arty farty fuckwit thought that would be better than the classic Goldstein adverts?
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November 17, 2010 9:55am
CraigM

If not to protect the public, what is the Police Force here for? revenue collection? Perhaps the poor lady should have told police that teenagers were racing cars on her street.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688145

If my wife is home alone and idiots start banging on doors and windows I sure as hell expect the Police to come and make sure she is not harmed. Very poor form shown by the dispatcher on this occassion.
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November 17, 2010 9:59am
Pete George

Why are so many TV ads incomprehensible until the end?

Must be some long term marketing approach. Most TV ads are always incomprehensible to me because I give up watching them well before the end. Occasionally I actually see the end of one I’ve been vaguely aware of for months and finally get the point of it.
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November 17, 2010 9:59am
CraigM

Fletch. Excellent video, thanks for the link.
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November 17, 2010 10:00am
RightNow

International unions involved in NZ again, calling for shipping lines to boycott Port of Auckland
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4353552/Shipping-firms-threatened-as-stoush-goes-global
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November 17, 2010 10:12am
Brian Smaller

Wonder why David Ferrar isn’t informing people of this bill? I know if Labour were putting it in, he’d be all over it like a shrew.

Because this is his personal blog that he pays for himself. Unlike your Standard.

Farrer, posts on things that he finds interesting or feels like commenting on. He also has a day job and is not paid to blog. Click on his “About” tab.
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November 17, 2010 10:29am
Rodders

wreck1080 (1,304) Says: ” You could very well see, maori booting families off the beaches on the North shore”

Maori would be lucky to be able to get through the columns of rioting white trash teenagers http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688151
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November 17, 2010 10:44am
stephen

Wonder why David Ferrar isn’t informing people of this bill? I know if Labour were putting it in, he’d be all over it like a shrew.

I’d be surprised if he had never posted on it. You might’ve missed it.
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November 17, 2010 10:53am
MT_Tinman

Christ, it’d be bloody awful if young people were allowed to have a party, to have fun.

Hell, there might even be alcohol and/or soft drugs there.

Bomb the place I say!

And folks, why the hell would anyone even half sane watch television advertisements let alone comment on them?
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November 17, 2010 10:56am
tom hunter

Interesting article here on the decline of humanities departments in US universities. It seems that the people who run them are very concerned about declining enrollments and want them to be “saved”. One professor in German studies explains that there’s little left to save:

There was a time when “save the humanities” would have been an appropriate cry, but that was years ago, when they were being dismantled in one department after another and replaced with the intellectual triviality and sheer boredom of endlessly repetitive Marxist identity politics, as cowardly administrators looked on and did nothing. The poverty of intellectual content was masked by an elaborate jargon, but that only made things worse: the remade programs became the laughing stock of their campuses. But now the day of reckoning has arrived. Enrollments have collapsed, to the point where the smaller departments face extinction. Those enrollments are sinking not because students don’t value the humanities, but because they do.

But I was most intrigued by this comment:

This created a mismatch of temperaments: humanistic scholars are naturally animated by a profound respect for the legacy of our past, but all the instincts of political radicals go in the opposite direction. Their natural instinct is to denigrate the past in order to make the case for the sweeping social change that they want.

That’s why they don’t look at the past and see accumulated knowledge and wisdom, but instead only a story of bigotry, inequality and racial and sexual prejudice that needs to be swept aside. Political radicals are interested in the utopian future and in their present-day attempts to achieve it, not the cultural past which must be overcome to get to where they want to be.

Greetings President Obama.
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November 17, 2010 11:02am
big bruv

That is fine with me MT just as long as I can shoot the little pricks when they decide to toss bricks through my front window.
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November 17, 2010 11:11am
adze

Thanks for the link tom hunter. Interesting read.
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November 17, 2010 12:06pm
Dirty Rat

Wheres D4J ?
Wheres my $5,000 he owes me ?
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November 17, 2010 12:24pm
Viking2

Rodney Hide expecting baby.

The mind boggles but of course its just some moron of a headline writer who never learnt any English expression at school.

What the moron really meant was:
Rodney Hide and his partner Louise Crome are expecting a baby.

The 53-year-old ACT leader will marry Ms Crome, 21 years his junior, in December.

Mr Hide has a 21-year-old son.

What Rodneys other son has to do with the story escapes me as well.
Who pays these dumb writers?
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November 17, 2010 12:24pm
big bruv

I bloody hope that the Kiwi fruit farmers are not expecting the tax payers to bail them out, while it is bad luck for them I fail to see how it should be the tax payers problem.
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November 17, 2010 12:32pm
big bruv

Ah Rodney…..the mid life crisis is now complete.

One can only hope that he decides to retire from Parliament and give the ACT party a chance to get back to what it used to be.
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November 17, 2010 12:34pm
Pete George

I bloody hope that the Kiwi fruit farmers are not expecting the tax payers to bail them out, while it is bad luck for them I fail to see how it should be the tax payers problem.

Maybe the Chinese should help, it was their gooseberries in the first place.
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November 17, 2010 1:21pm
Inventory2

To the 1,053,398 people who party-voted National in 2008; David Cunliffe says you’re “stupid”

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1316784109

Cunners knows best, of course!
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November 17, 2010 1:25pm
Manolo

Liberal Pelosi’s day of reckoning nears: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45215.html
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November 17, 2010 1:26pm
big bruv

According to I Predict the Maori party will hold the balance of power after the next election.

I shudder to think of what that would mean for the country, at the very least you would see a huge amount of civil unrest.
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November 17, 2010 1:28pm
Rodders

bruv, have to agree with Trev on this one (worth reading again to remind ourselves how dangerous Turia is) :

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/turia039s+comments+irresponsible
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November 17, 2010 1:32pm
Pete George

Don’t know why all parties aren’t given equal coverage on a political blog.

United Future outlines 2011 policies

Party leader Peter Dunne outlined the party’s policy priorities for next year’s election at their annual conference in Wellington on Saturday, which was attended by 40-50 people.

“We have a very good model on which you can build a health insurance scheme and it is called Accident Compensation, where you extend the model to cover effectively all forms of health care.”

The party will also run on the promise to ban the use of possum poison 1080.

As their policies become better known the party hopes for 45-55 at next year’s conference.
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November 17, 2010 1:34pm
Rodders

Pete, 40-50 people: that must have been a pretty cramped Mini.
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November 17, 2010 1:36pm
Manolo

“I shudder to think of what that would mean for the country, at the very least you would see a huge amount of civil unrest.”

What you will see is a higher number of people from the productive sectors of society leaving for greener pastures overseas.

It will be up to the bludgers, the racists, and their appeasers to look after themselves.
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November 17, 2010 1:37pm
big bruv

I think it will be far worse than that Manolo, race riots and the rise (sadly it will be a violent rise) of the silent majority.
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November 17, 2010 1:41pm
Manolo

The thought of Peter Dunne campaigning for the upteenth time, prompts me to ask the question: how many times can this political prostitute sell his bloated body to the highest bidder?

2011 should be an ideal opportunity to get rid of this bloodsucking leech, Mr. Dunne.
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November 17, 2010 1:50pm
big bruv

Dunne’s number two last time around (Judy Turner) was a bloody good MP, how I would love the Nat’s to get her to stand against Dunne in his seat.
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November 17, 2010 1:59pm
Scumsucker

From Frogblog…Its nearly ALL Marxism, with but a sniff of environmentalism.

Another charge from NZTA

Welfare Working Group worries

The size of Westpac’s CE tax cut

General debate, November 17, 2010

The theory behind sustainable economics

To Be [Happy], or Not to Be: That is the Question

Cyclists’ deaths prompt greater action from Government

John Key chooses weak option for expenses

EPA really Govt bulldozer for prisons, motorways

Government’s banking contract with Westpac a closed shop for 21 years

Greens warn public about Local Govt Bill

National blocks review of MPs expenses

Reduce overcrowding for better health

Greens call for Navy to monitor whale slaughter

Parties must turn talk into action on MPs expenses
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November 17, 2010 2:02pm
big bruv

Scumsucker

I heard the female co-leader of the Greens on Radio Live this week with the racist Willie Jackson, in the entire hour she was on with Jackson she did not mention one true Green policy.

It was all about social ‘justice’ issues?

The Greens are a sham, they gave up caring about the environment years ago.
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November 17, 2010 2:21pm
stephen

tom hunter, thanks for that.

Perhaps a little generalised but that ‘experiment’ was a good part of the article. I’m not an academic but do work in the university sector (in NZ) – most gnashing about the humanities that I read (in the US context) is very often in the context of ‘what use the humanities?’ in that with fast rising and very high tuition costs, there is less and less sense in enrolling in the humanities (or even universities) at all, and it is often an easy department to cut in to, from a management perspective. Enrollments in this sector of academia are not as one dimensional as this article portrays. I’m not saying they’re being dishonest at all, as there obviously was a low word limit – just my 2c.
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November 17, 2010 2:41pm
MikeNZ

Fletch (1,540) Says:
November 17th, 2010 at 9:43 am

http://bigpeace.com/rehrenfeld/2010/11/14/obama-administrations-un-american-agenda/

This is why?
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November 17, 2010 2:43pm
Fisiani

Was at Porirua today and saw Matt McCarten and Hone Harawira and his team drumming up support under the canopies. I heard some of his team then tell passers by to walk to the special voting booth 20 metres away and cast their vote. Does that breach electoral law? Can you campaign that close to a polling booth.
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November 17, 2010 4:24pm
GJ

Looks like the mobile pricing war is heating up with 2 degrees taking out a full page advertisment in todays NZ herald. Check out their rates here http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz Start rate is $29.00 month gives you 60 minutes to anyone in NZ + 1000 texts in NZ and 50MB date. At the other end $129.00 month gives you 600 minutes to anyone + 1000 texts and 250MB data. Join before Xmas this year and get 100 bonus minutes for a year. Seems like a good deal to me. I’m currently on Vodafone talk 250 so I’ll check the numbers.
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November 17, 2010 4:58pm
OctagonGrappler

This is Interesting news. I hope The MC are successfull as This Ban is the first step toward anti-consorting Laws that threaten our very freedoms.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4354105/Hells-Angels-gang-patch-challenge-heard-in-court.

All the very best of luck to the club.
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November 17, 2010 5:03pm
Rex Widerstrom

Pete George notes:

United Future outlines 2011 policies…

…ban the use of possum poison 1080.

That’s curious. I’d have assumed the King of the Coiffure would prefer his hairpieces not show obvious signs of having been shot.
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November 17, 2010 5:05pm
Yvette

Rex – a decent hair-dryer can do wonders these days – even to road-kill.
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November 17, 2010 5:17pm
RightNow

Catching up with Australia got even harder when we introduced an ETS and they didn’t.
Here’s a graphical representation. Play the animation to see what happens to GDP per capita with differing energy consumption per capita:
http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=2.05870967741936;ti=1965$zpv;v=0$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj1jiMAkmq1iMg;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=pyj6tScZqmEd1G8qI4GpZQg;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=8.21;iid=phAwcNAVuyj0XOoBL_n5tAQ;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=CATID0;by=grp$map_x;scale=log;dataMin=295;dataMax=79210$map_y;scale=log;dataMin=0.0182;dataMax=28$map_s;sma=49;smi=2.65$cd;bd=0$inds=i159_t001965,,,,;i13_t001965,,,,
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November 17, 2010 9:27pm
LabourDoesntWork

“If the market is left to sort matters out, social injustice will be heightened and suffering in the community will grow with the neglect the market fosters.” – Helen Clark

No such thing as equality. Never has been; never will be.
Tall poppy syndrome is a dangerous thing in the hands of a vindictive power-grabbing narcissist.

End vent.
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November 17, 2010 10:22pm
Dirty Rat

At the end of a good day.

Awaiting Princess Catherine

however, DJ4 hasnt fronted with the cash
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November 17, 2010 11:13pm
DavidR

Your chances are not good, Dirty Rat.

Anyway, D4J is busy stalking Big Bruv over on the Mellow French President thread. (Think he loves him really).
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