General Debate 15 November 2010

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jcuknz

Oh dear dial up is so slow … morning all.
edit — I was sure somebody would beat me to it 🙂
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November 15, 2010 8:03am
Murray

We’re just phoning it in today.
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November 15, 2010 8:15am
wikiriwhis business

Ben Bernancke: Biggest international criminal of the 21st century.

Projected to be bigger than Hitler.

http://www.realecontv.com/videos/central-banks/the-coming-financial-disaster-in-a-nutshell.html
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November 15, 2010 8:45am
Nick Kearney

I find it very funny that a New Zealander who starred in a rugby test win against Scotland is called Sonny Bill!

I mean, if you go to Scotland, they all call you Sonny, and every second person’s name is Bill, including the great Bill McLaren.
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November 15, 2010 8:50am
wikiriwhis business

What do you think about this Redbaiter????????????????????????

Well, if the Somali people hated the pirates, the pirates would be no more.

Connect the dots.

You left because your fellow Somalis love the pirates!

I must add the we caused this entire pirate problem when we hired the Ethiopian mercenaries a few years back.

Thank little bush and the other anti Christ, rice.

http://www.topix.com/forum/toparts/pirates-seize/T88BASU46U269GRQL
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November 15, 2010 8:51am
Murray

As I said jcuknz we’re just phoning it in today.

Really that gets you going Nick? More people in NZ are descended from Scots than Maori, I would direct you to my name for a start. Slow news day in your parts?
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November 15, 2010 8:53am
pdm

Nick Kearney – if you go to the Isle Of Lewis where my father came from everyone is Donald or Angus or Callum hardly a Willie or a Sam in sight.
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November 15, 2010 8:56am
Manolo

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/4344014/NZ-Rugby-Union-close-to-haka-deal

Fist the airwaves and the spectrum, now the haka. Next target: a trademark and copyright on the Big Bang, the rings around Jupiter, and the Moon.

And these people have the gall to call others greedy.
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November 15, 2010 8:59am
Murray

The Argyles raised 8 battalions during WWII. It was said one of them could have been entirely made up of John Campbells.

Apparently its Scottish names day here at kiwiblog. Heres one. William James.

Guess what he was called.
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November 15, 2010 8:59am
Inventory2

It doesn’t look as though we’ll be seeing Paul Henry back on TVNZ any time soon; he’s given them a right serve

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/11/tvnzs-loss.html
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November 15, 2010 9:02am
Nookin

If he was an officer he may have been called “Sir”.
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November 15, 2010 9:02am
Murray

He was an MBE but he wasn’t in the army although he’d always wanted to be.
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November 15, 2010 9:07am
Yvette

The Press | 05:00 15/11/2010
” Teachers of poor ability to be tagged
A loophole that allows schools to unwittingly employ incompetent teachers is set to be closed.
The five-pronged Education Amendment Bill (No2) 2010 is set down for a second reading in Parliament this week.
Under the bill, the Teachers Council would have the power to annotate the national register to say a teacher was subject to practising conditions because he or she had been deemed incompetent.
At present a teacher can only be annotated if they have been found guilty of misconduct or convicted of a crime. ”
The five-pronged Education Amendment Bill (No2) 2010 is set down for a second reading in Parliament this week.

Under the bill, the Teachers Council would have the power to annotate the national register to say a teacher was subject to practising conditions because he or she had been deemed incompetent.

At present a teacher can only be annotated if they have been found guilty of misconduct or convicted of a crime. ”

Will this not achieve more immediately and accurately what league tables might at the best only very approximately indicate and actually do nothing to remedy, apart from parents abandoning particular schools, so their rolls drop and they eventually close?
This will hopefully stop schools from hiring bad teachers but not remove those they already have.
But –

” Of the 96,000 registered teachers in New Zealand, about 200 were deemed incompetent. ”

If there are about 2000 schools in New Zealand this is one incompetent teacher for ten schools, and if you get two useless teachers in one school, in theory that gives nineteen schools free of them.
Truly, just how bad is the supposed bad teacher problem?
95,800 teachers are carrying the bucket for 200 useless colleagues?
Beaucoup à faire au sujet de rien ?
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November 15, 2010 9:21am
pdm

Murray – if he had been Irish he would have been Willie John – a fair sort of lock and so well known they wouldn’t worry about his surname. lol.
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November 15, 2010 9:22am
wikiriwhis business

Very well informed interviewee on air port body scanning

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/973.html
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November 15, 2010 9:23am
Murray

Middle initial was T if that helps.
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November 15, 2010 9:29am
Nookin

Was he a comedian?
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November 15, 2010 10:03am
slightlyrighty

The other day I had cause to find out exactly what a secondary school teacher earns in NZ. I cannot divulge details due to the privacy act, but suffice it to say, expressed as a % of GDP per Capita, it is over 200%!

GDP per capita in NZ in 2009 was $27000. The teachers I met were both earning $65000 per annum. I do not know their political affiliations and it was inappropriate to question their political views, but this makes the ongoing union activity seem very ill advised.
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November 15, 2010 10:05am
Inventory2

@ Murray -are you talking about William James Taitoko?
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November 15, 2010 10:13am
grumpyoldhori

Can NZ citizenship be cancelled after it has been granted to an immigrant if they serve enough time in the lockup ?
Or would it take a change of law for that to happen ?

Hell we could make that even raving right wingers who were born here would no longer call themselves Kiwis 🙂
Stateless right wingers, hmm.
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November 15, 2010 10:18am
BeaB

Isn’t it time we applied an IQ and personality test before we issue drivers licences?
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November 15, 2010 10:26am
Manolo

“Can NZ citizenship be cancelled after it has been granted to an immigrant if they serve enough time in the lockup. Hell we could make that even raving right wingers who were born here would no longer call themselves Kiwis.”

Excellent idea. Apply the same logic to 60% of the prison population in our country and voila, NZ’s social problem is fixed once and for all.
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November 15, 2010 10:26am
david

Just to stoke the tyeacher quality debate along a bit:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/teacher-quality-not-class-size-is-school-key-20101114-17sq5.html
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November 15, 2010 10:37am
Murray

William Taitoko James. As much of Scots descent as Maori.

And if he was still alive the Maori Party couldn’t exist in its form and Hone Hawariwa wouldn’t be in parliamant because he would have mocked them without mercy.
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November 15, 2010 10:38am
James Stephenson

Isn’t it time we applied an IQ and personality test before we issue drivers licences?

I’d settle for a testing regime that weeds out people that can’t control a car and don’t know how to operate those little orange lights on the corners of the thing.
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November 15, 2010 10:41am
Murray

That would empty the Auckland motorways.
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November 15, 2010 10:45am
gazzmaniac

Can NZ citizenship be cancelled after it has been granted to an immigrant if they serve enough time in the lockup ?

No, that is why we have to be stringent about who we grant it to in the first place.
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November 15, 2010 10:58am
Inventory2

No Murray; William James Taitoko. His middle name and surname were reversed to give him a stage persona.

That would explain the joke he used to tell against himself about being half Scottish and half Maori; he’d say that half on him wanted to get pissed, and the other half wanted someone else to pay for it 🙂
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November 15, 2010 11:03am
Murray

to the best of my undwerstanding he legally changed his name therefore his name was William Taitoko James. Either that or Hone Hawariwa should actually be adressed as John Hatfield.

I’m open.

Either way it illusrates my point. As much Scots as Maori but he only gets refered to as Maori.
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November 15, 2010 11:17am
Uplander

Hello all,

The Public Poll Average on the left bar of the blog seems to have got stuck on 12/09/2010. Maybe it needs some oil.

Cheers
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November 15, 2010 12:29pm
3-coil

The NZ rugby league team seemed particularly delighted with their win (over the Aussies) in the weekend – but what possessed them to celebrate with that naff line-dancing exhibition?
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November 15, 2010 12:46pm
RRM

Murray – Watch a few installments of Te News and see if you get anything Scottish out of it.

And I agree NZ would be a far better place with Billy T James still in it.
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November 15, 2010 12:52pm
cha

Not line dancing 3-coil, the All the Girls Standing In the Line for the Bathroom celebration.
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November 15, 2010 12:58pm
KiwiGreg

” Of the 96,000 registered teachers in New Zealand, about 200 were deemed incompetent. ”

LOL that is no where near the same as saying there are only 200 incompetent teachers.
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November 15, 2010 1:01pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Just a couple of quick comments over a lunch time:

grumpyoldhori (10.18) I agree we should cancel citizenship and immediately remove from New Zealand any immigrant who spends time behind bars. That would solve about 1% of New Zealand’s crime problem. What would you suggest we do to or for all your fucking cuzzies that cause the other 99% of the problem? Auckland Island is one good suggestion.

BeaB (10.26) Not having IQ and personality tests before drivers licences are issued is actually one way of weeding the stupid and reckless out of our society. I’d prefer IQ and personality tests are required before a couple is allowed to procreate. Migh solve a lot of society’s problems if the genes of junkies, crims, progressives and unionists were removed from the pool.

Inv(11.03) you beat me to it. One of his best jokes. And yes, New Zealand would be a shit-load better off if he were still here.
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November 15, 2010 2:39pm
Rex Widerstrom

Seems Australia has the same issues with foreign ownership of productive land as does NZ: the politicians and “regulators” falling over themselves to permit it, the public (the people who pay their wages and whom they’re supposedly representing) wholeheartedly against it:

Concern is growing in rural areas as foreign government-backed entities buy up significant parcels of agricultural land.

More than $9 billion of prized agricultural assets have been sold to offshore interests in the past two years alone, The Daily Telegraph said on Monday.

Nations leading the charge are predominantly Asian and Middle Eastern and include the economic powerhouse of China.

Meanwhile a NineMSN online poll (yes, I know, not scientific, but a large sample size) asking “Should foreigners be stopped from buying prime farmland?” is running 62,420 “Yes” to 6017 “No” – a margin of roughly 10:1.

Anyone holding their breath waiting for the politicians to listen to the will of the people should probably exhale about now…
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November 15, 2010 3:57pm
Pauleastbay

Rex

But you as any Aussie any question with the word foreigner in it and you get…fucking wogs, fucking kiwis, fucking Chinese, fucking poms etc etc etc, its not the sample size that unscientific but the people being asked the question!!!!
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November 15, 2010 4:22pm
Pete George

As in Aus, if foreigners just bought our exports and gave us money without trying to interfere or to control anything in NZ then we’d all be happy.
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November 15, 2010 4:25pm
OctagonGrappler

Well Well id did not take long for this to be tonned down after lady gillards view that she did not support a big Australia like Krudd did.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/population-boom-inevitable-pm-told-20101113-17rtz.html

Let me guess there is a chronic skill shortage right.
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November 15, 2010 4:26pm
BeaB

The problem is, offshore kiwi, that these morons take us with them when they take bends on the wrong side, plough into cyclists, are high as kites, etc etc. But then, I saw a Mainfreight driver today talking into his phone while going round a busy roundabout at 50 kph, holding the phone with his left hand against his right ear and writing on something with a pen in his right hand. He didn’t see me. I’m glad I saw him before I pulled out into the same lane.
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November 15, 2010 4:27pm
Pauleastbay

Peter George @4.25 pm
Sorry Pete I know what you are saying but I don’t think NZers will ever be happy we have turned into the Poms of the South Pacific

We as a nation never moan when Graeme Hart buys a big packaging company in the US or Doug Meyers buys a brewery in Shanghai, we can’t have it our way only, its a Global market now and if we want access ( because we are just a small whiney country, who lost its traditional markets when the poms cut us out) we have to give others access.

We tell the islands what to do all the time after we have bought their exports and given them aid.
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November 15, 2010 4:38pm
Hurf Durf

It’s full-on “bawwwwwwwwwww rethuglikkkans r evul sob sob sob” at the Granny Hooeruld today. Since when the fuck has Tapu Misa been an expert on fuck all other than griefing? She’s our very own Jesse Jackson.

Speaking of having a good ol’ fashioned paddy, it was good to see Alolso get a smackdown on live TV when he whined about Petrov not bending over and giving him seventh. “Get real, son.” Indeed. A win fully deserved for Sebastian Vettel.
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November 15, 2010 4:39pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Hurf, SWMBO has been me from all forms of MSM. Lucky I’m at work at the moment, so I sneaked a peek. Wish I hadn’t. Who the fuck is Tapu Misa to be commenting on the political situation in America? Matt McCarten is singularly unqualified to do so, and he’s about a million more times qualified that that fucking lite-weight.

Her total lack of understanding of the background becomes obviously with the line “The movement was based on “values, emotions, feelings”, rather than “any particular policies or political goals”. ” Howzabout FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! The political goals have been exposed for the world to see. They are the abdication of the US’s sovereignty to the UN, at the behest of George Soros.

Or this one: “t’s not only the notion of bipartisanship that’s taken a hit but also the idea that reasonableness and civility can win out over a recalcitrant Republican class determined to see Obama fail.” Since when can bi-partisanship ever exist? In the US, or elsewhere for that matter? The left are pan-national, big-government borrow, tax & spend merchants, while the right (the *real* right, not the pack of RINOs that have been prevalent in the Republican party the past few years, and which dominate the National party in New Zealand today) want minimal government and a return to the Constitution the way the Founding Fathers intended it (not as an activist Supreme Court misinterprets it).

I guess I know why I’m banned from the MSM now 🙂
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November 15, 2010 4:55pm
OctagonGrappler

Tapu Misa and Matt Mcarten are a joke. Sundays herald had every letter in favour of his anti republican rant from last week. The weekday editorial has become a socialist mouthpiece and todays opinion piece had a doctors in Auckland saying how wonderfull universal healthcare will be and that obama has the right call. I wonder if a counter piece will be published this week against the idea.

It seems the herald has given a forum for lincoln tan, Misa and matt and many others to spit there biased venom when they feel like it.
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November 15, 2010 5:02pm
Pete George

Yeah Offshore_Kiwi, the *real* right want to go back to how things were, the good old days, when life expectancy was 35 and there would be even fewer of them alive. Things like health care costs are just a burden on society.
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November 15, 2010 5:02pm
Steve

James Stephenson @ 10.41
‘I’d settle for a testing regime that weeds out people that can’t control a car and don’t know how to operate those little orange lights on the corners of the thing.’

Well if those little orange lights work it is probably a factory defect and the vehicle should be returned to have them disconnected. Nobody takes any notice of those who do indicate, so why bother using them.
Get out of my fucking road, I have things to do right now!
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November 15, 2010 5:44pm
Offshore_Kiwi

You been at the Kool Aid again Pete? Where the fuck did you read the *real* right want to go back to the days when life expectancy was 35? All I said was the *real* right want a return to the Constitution the way the Founding Fathers intended it. It’s the Greens that want to destroy 200 years of progress you fucking idiot, not the right.
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November 15, 2010 5:45pm
Grant Michael McKenna

*This* is how to protest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QoW-gIQEKQ&feature=player_embedded&has_verified=1
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November 15, 2010 5:53pm
Hurf Durf

Don’t forget Gwen Dire, Johann Hari, Brian Krudman, Paul Thomas etc.

Then the Fabians have a cry about the VRWC when Garth George publishes something once a month.
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November 15, 2010 6:16pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Yes Hurf, but at least they’re openly and blatantly pushing an ideology. Misa is just parroting far-left Obama groupie Sean Wilentz, interspersed with quotes from a FUCKING SANDRA BULLOCK MOVIE. It’s pretty obvious she should stick to the puff-pieces she usually writes and leave the publishing of Liarbore and Green propaganda to Rudman et. al.
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November 15, 2010 6:57pm
big bruv

Stop Press…

A minor sporting miracle has just occurred, the New Zealand cricket team has just reached 100 runs for the loss of no wickets.

First time since 2004.
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November 15, 2010 8:56pm
Pauleastbay

bruv
Imagine if they had SBW there, they’d be going real good.

My God he’s a breath of fresh air in the All Blacks.
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November 15, 2010 8:58pm
Pete George

I’ve reserved my judgement of SBW until now, I still think the media overdid the coverage of him substantially – but now he’s starting to prove that he could be a big plus for the ABs.
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November 15, 2010 9:08pm
big bruv

Pauleastbay

Let’s wait until the Aussie thug SBW has played against a decent team before you decide to knight the guy, yes he played OK , but so did Toeava.

We do not need the guy, IMHO he can fuck off back to bullrush or the south of France, just as long as he is not playing for the NZ rugby team.
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November 15, 2010 9:12pm
Hurf Durf

I see what you mean, Offshore. As daft and misguided as Rudman et al are, at least they aren’t thick.
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November 15, 2010 9:19pm
nickb

125/0

is this real life?
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November 15, 2010 9:25pm
Pete George

All I said was the *real* right want a return to the Constitution the way the Founding Fathers intended it.

The US has changed a lot since the initial writing of the Constitution, the Founding Fathers had no way of anticipating what amendments would be necessary over the following 223 years, but the did anticipate amendments would be needed, so they made provision for them.

The framers of the Constitution were aware that changes would be necessary if the Constitution was to endure as the nation grew. However, they were also conscious that such change should not be easy, lest it permit ill-conceived and hastily passed amendments. On the other hand, they also wanted to ensure that a rigid requirement of unanimity would not block action desired by the vast majority of the population. Their solution was a two-step process for proposing and ratifying new amendments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution#Amendments

The first 10 amendments (the Bill of Rights) have been an important part of the whole deal.
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November 15, 2010 9:32pm
calendar girl

BB: “We do not need the guy, IMHO he can fuck off back to bullrush or the south of France, just as long as he is not playing for the NZ rugby team.”

You can’t mean that, surely. He’s played only two tests, holding his own v. England and shining v. the Scots. What more could you want from a new AB? Or is it his Canterbury home province that, as usual, is the target of your disdain?

Williams has power, pace and an ability to pass the ball with consistent accuracy, not to mention a very decent defence. Most of all he has an ability to break the opposition line, or to offload punishingly in a half-break. It is a rare combination of talents, still requiring a bit of honing but already good enough to thoroughly merit his “Man of the Match” accolade against a disappointing Scotland. Like any other player, SBW can only play against those fielded to play against his team.

The contrived public consensus about Ma’a Nonu still being first-choice 2nd five-eighths won’t hold together much longer. On present and recent form, SBW is a foregone conclusion for the All Black #12 shirt next season, and any other national team would make him their first choice too – if they had him at their disposal.
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