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Tina Palin

Whoot! Whoot!

Highway to hel
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November 14, 2010 8:10am
Tina Palin

One of my first actions as POTUS will be to make sure we have laws such as these.

“An atheist blogger whose postings satirizing the Koran set off an uproar in the Arab world has been arrested by the Palestinian authorities and faces a possible life sentence if convicted of heresy, officials said. The blogger, Walid Husayin, 26, a barber from Qalqilya, is suspected of posting atheistic rants on English and Arabic blogs and creating three Facebook groups where he spoofed the Koran, including by declaring himself God and ordering his followers to smoke marijuana. Mr. Husayin has been detained but not charged, a Palestinian security spokesman said. ”

There’s a lot to like about politicians who support their electors and give religion the protected status it deserves and needs. For America to reinvigorate itself as a One Nation Under God we must ensure that those who deny and mock God do not go unpunished.

When I stand on my porch at home in Wassilla, I can see Heaven and God.
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November 14, 2010 8:14am
hmmokrightitis

Tell Her I said hi
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November 14, 2010 8:47am
jcuknz

If religion needs protecting by laws then it is not worth bothering about. But of course it doesn’t and only the ineffectural propagators of it seek such protection.
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November 14, 2010 9:03am
MT_Tinman

Keep it up Tina, I feel a conversion coming on.
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November 14, 2010 9:09am
Yvette

Sarah

“America is looking for answers. She’s looking for a new direction; the world is looking for a light. That light can come from America’s great North Star; it can come from Alaska.”

“Buck up or stay in the truck.”

“Each of us knows that we have an obligation to care for the old, the young and the sick. We stand strongest when we stand with the weakest among us.”

“Here’s a little newsflash for those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion. I’m going to Washington to serve this great country.”

“I came to office promising major ethics reform to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is a law. While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor’s office that I didn’t believe our citizens should have to pay for. That luxury jet was over-the-top. I put it on eBay. ”

“I think President Obama is trying to deceive the public in pretending that he was not a part of Congress that has made some decisions in the past that got us to where we are today. ”

“My fellow citizens, the American Presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery. ”

“I love those hockey moms. You know what they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is? Lipstick.”

Who have we got who is the remotest bit like her? Winston . . . no, well, not really close . . . merde
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November 14, 2010 9:34am
Dirty Rat

Sarah

Apart from seeing Heaven and god from your porch, can you also look to your left and tell us how the weather is in Beringovskiy ?
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November 14, 2010 9:40am
Tina Palin

I hate to say it, as a gun toting God fearing American, but the British are miles ahead of us when it comes to health policy.

“The Department of Health is putting the fast food companies McDonald’s and KFC and processed food and drink manufacturers such as PepsiCo, Kellogg’s, Unilever, Mars and Diageo at the heart of writing government policy on obesity, alcohol and diet-related disease.”

“The leading supermarkets are an equally strong presence, while the responsibility deal’s physical activity group is chaired by the Fitness Industry Association, which is the lobby group for private gyms and personal trainers.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/12/mcdonalds-pepsico-help-health-policy

No nobody knows more about making people fat the McDonalds and Pepsico, so of course they are the best palced to advise on health policy. As your next POTUS I would wholeheartedly adopt this policy and ensure each and every scholl had access to a McDonalds. In the fight to create new markets, No child should be left behind.
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November 14, 2010 9:47am
Tina Palin

Dity rat, I never look left, my eyes are always right, just like our beloved USMC.
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November 14, 2010 9:48am
hmmokrightitis

“and ensure each and every scholl had access to a McDonalds”

And who said irony was dead?
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November 14, 2010 9:52am
Jimbob

Well to refer to happenings back here on planet Earth, the Kiwis gave all supporters heart temors last night, that was as good as you could get for intensity. They certainly put the Aussies to sleep. The AB’s were back to their best, and yes SBW is getting better. As for the phoenix, well they couldn’t beat an egg.
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November 14, 2010 10:25am
Chuck Bird

From the article below would it be reasonable to judge all lesbians by this sick couple – I do not think so? If I did I would be accused by many on this blog of being a homophobe.

If there was case of a Maori couple abusing a child there would be no shortage of racist generalisations.

NEWS OUTRAGE!

Police arrest lesbians for ‘torturing’ boy, 5
Forced him to put his hands on hot stove, burned his body, genitals with cigarettes

A 5-year-old Los Angeles boy is fighting for his life after police say he was severely tortured with burns and food deprivation by his lesbian mother and her live-in girlfriend

For rest of article

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67147
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November 14, 2010 10:41am
kaya

Another economist suggesting the possible demise of the US dollar.

Central bankers cannot be trusted with the printing press, especially when there is no formal check on their inflationary policies. It is no coincidence that gold is hitting such heights as investors the world over hunker down for what may very well be a collapse of the dollar system.

Robert P Murphy

http://mises.org/daily/4841
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November 14, 2010 10:44am
Rodders

An interesting Marae Investigates programme on TVNZ this morning.
First they had a segment on the squat at Taipa Bay Reserve. That sour faced lemon sucker Margaret Mutu was interviewed. A kaumatua made a comment that as she is stoking the issue up, why doesn’t Mutu go up there and occupy the land rather than getting the youngsters to do her dirty work.
After that item was a studio interview with that old charmer, Winston Peters. It was quite amusing (probably unintended.) Jodi Ihaka asked Winston why he had called Phil Kitchen a “lying wanker.” Winston replied that the cheques that The Dominion had reproduced on the front page were never cashed. Jodi also asked Winston how he had spent the last few years and he replied that he had been given an opportunity to do things he hadn’t been able to do for a while. Would telling the truth be one of those?
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November 14, 2010 10:46am
gazzmaniac

Chuck – you could just as reasonably judge all Americans or blacks by that couple. And you’d still be just as wrong.
Kaya – I don’t think we have that problem in Australia and NZ. The cost of gold hasn’t really moved much in AUD, mainly because of the tighter fiscal policy.
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November 14, 2010 10:53am
Brian Smaller

I have moved the sheep, drenched the cattle and moved the electric fences. And watched the ABs victory over Scotland. What have you lazy lot done this fine morning?

And to the first poster in the thread – you are not even funny. Guys – stop feeding the animals – it worked with philu.
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November 14, 2010 11:02am
kaya

gazzmaniac – I wasn’t so much raising an issue about the price of gold, it was the possible (proabable?) collapse of the US dollar, what that means for the world economies and the whole debate about what we use as a means of exchange.

The present fractional reserve system is fucked and needs replaced – and quickly. The longer it drags out and the more interventions by various vested interest groups, (QE2, protectionist policies) the uglier and messier it will be. It will take even longer to get some semblance of normality in the world.
This is one of the biggest issues facing the planet since the Cuban missisle crisis. Most people don’t see it for the threat is.
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November 14, 2010 11:09am
kaya

Brian Smaller – contemplated my navel as I do every Sunday morning!! Afternoons doing jobs around the house, early evening BBQ and a few coldies. Evening feet up and movie. Late evening Xbox360 online playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 with my homies…….. 😀
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November 14, 2010 11:14am
gazzmaniac

Kaya – it’s not the fractional reserve that’s the problem, it’s the fact that there’s not actually anything backing the currency (like gold). This is a direct result of uncontrolled government spending, since the government only has to ask the central bank to switch on the presses to fund unaffordable policy.
As for the USD collapsing, I don’t see that as an issue for anyone other than the US. There is no need for the USD outside trade with the US now – the Euro and the pound could take its place, or possibly some other currency. A good portion of the trade in minerals from Australia is not done with the US, so there really isn’t a need to conduct the trade in USD.
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November 14, 2010 11:18am
Brian Smaller

Kaya – i discovered that living in the country means there is always another job needing doing. Certainly different from my life as a city dweller.
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November 14, 2010 11:19am
reid

Kaya, have a look at this: Zoellick (World Bank Pres) endorses return to gold standard and not for the USD but for a basket.

“As for the USD collapsing, I don’t see that as an issue for anyone other than the US.”

Gazz it’s a huge issue for China and Japan cause of their T-bill holdings. These current currency wars are a geo-political as well as a financial issue and the potential switch to another reserve currency(ies) and this talk about a gold standard is as well. Globalisation has changed the way these dynamics used to work. Now it’s not just one country involved.
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November 14, 2010 11:26am
kaya

Brian Smaller – I sort of know what you mean, I spend half my year at my place on Gt Barrier (back there in 2 weeks) and constantly working on it to be able to move there full time. I have a VERY basic power supply so no TV or Xbox, nothing but a car radio hooked up to a battery.
I’ve added more solar panels in the last 2 years, building a big smoker, adding on a room, constantly working on the stream fed water supply!!
My life is certainly feels more productive there than in the city, hence the move!
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November 14, 2010 11:28am
kaya

reid – thanks for the link, my post at 10.44 is linked to a story which also refers to the Zoellick statement. It’s also a good read if you get a chance.

I don’t fully understand economics (though neither do the majority of economystics) but I’ve been watching this shit unfold with a dark fascination for five years or more. Nobody has a clue what the various interventions are going to lead to.
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November 14, 2010 11:35am
big bruv

And now for today’s good news…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4343235/Kurariki-back-behind-bars
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November 14, 2010 11:40am
reid

I think a lot of people know what’s going down kaya but they just don’t have the resolution in sight or not that I’ve read. No-one knows what China, Japan, the EU, the BRI part of the BRIC (China will act independently on this but that doesn’t mean their eventual positions will be different.) It’s fascinating isn’t it.

For those who haven’t been following the currency wars, what’s happening is the US is tanking its own dollar because China won’t lift the Yuan. It took ages of back and forth with China but eventually the US adopted its daisy-cutter position (not quite atomic just yet) which was to tank its dollar. Naturally this is pissing China right off and it has rather the ace position unless the US does something clever like threaten to encourage companies through massive tax breaks to re-on-shore its manufacturing base which would really piss China off even more.

The problem the world has with this is everyone holds lots of USD cause it’s the reserve currency: i.e. every international trade is denominated in it. That’s why they’re not happy. What it’s doing is making options become available because everyone is now asking: is the current system the best way forward?
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November 14, 2010 11:52am
jaba

on STUFF today ,, lawyers worried their clients will have to speak??
“The president of the Law Society has expressed concerns about the partial removal of the right to silence under proposed laws, describing it as the result of a trend to right-wing populism.

The Search and Surveillance Bill will give greater powers to authorities investigating complex financial and organised crime, including the introduction of “examination orders”, compelling people with knowledge of serious fraud-related offences or gang crimes to speak to police. Interviewees will retain the right to remain silent if to speak would incriminate themselves.

Law Society president Jonathan Temm said he was not comfortable with the right to silence being curtailed.

“We believe the right to silence is an important fundamental legal right, and any time there is an erosion of that right, it has to be on very strict and balanced terms,” he said.
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November 14, 2010 12:03pm
reid

Perhaps it should be a right that becomes less available on a sliding scale based on the number of criminal convictions one has.
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November 14, 2010 12:19pm
reid

Brilliant Charlie Rose interview with Freeman Dyson on his climate change skepticism. Best common-sense analysis I’ve heard.

Freeman Dyson is today’s equivalent of Einstein, he holds the same position Einstein did at the same Princeton institute.
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November 14, 2010 12:36pm
tom hunter

I’m looking forward to seeing this British Channel 4 documentary in NZ soon. Should be good for a laugh: What the Green Movement Got Wrong (blocked on YouTube by Channel 4 unfortunately). However, I appreciated these comments from Spiked magazine:

The new environmentalists’ point is that the environmental movement failed to protect the environment. So the tension between development and environment still haunts the debate, rather than being exorcised from it. And this is the film’s major shortcoming. The real claim of environmentalism – its ethics – is not merely that we must protect the environment, but that we should live within environmental limits.

To whit, the following snarky article in The Atlantic on Freeman Dyson: The Danger of Cosmic Genius, in which the author – born of environmentalist believers – tries to reason around the fact that a very, very bright scientist thinks the whole AGW thing and the solutions proposed by environmentalists are a crock. Since Dyson cannot be dismissed as a moron or scientifically ignorant the best the writer can do is focus on his admission that he’s not an expert “in the subject”, ignore his specific criticisms of the AGW models (which are of course based on Dyson’s specialties of math and physics), and harp on about Dyson’s … almost religious faith in the power of man and science to bring nature to heel….. Perhaps the writer has not seen the Channel 4 documentary yet. With their talk of nuclear power and GM they’re sounding a bit like….. Dyson.

Then there’s this latest kick in the guts for AGW – courtesy of Science and in this case, The Guardian:

In a study published todayin Science, Jaramillo and his team studied pollen grains and other biological indicators of plant life embedded in rocks formed around 56m years ago, during an abrupt period of warming called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. CO2 levels had doubled in 10,000 years and the world was warmer by 3C-5C for 200,000 years.

Contrary to expectations, he found that forests bloomed with diversity. New species of plants, including those from the passionflower and chocolate families, evolved quicker as others became extinct. The study also shows moisture levels did not decrease significantly during the warm period. “It was totally unexpected,” Jaramillo said of the findings.

Finally, my favourite for the week, in which the large-brained pundits of MSNBC discuss how Democrat senators (senior and no names!!) have explained to them repeatedly over the last year that ……Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing….

I did not hear the word “unexpected” in that conversation, for which I’m grateful.
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November 14, 2010 12:42pm
Manolo

A political marriage made in hell. They deserve each other: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45035.html
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November 14, 2010 12:52pm
Rodders

The link to the Marae Investigates programme is http://tvnz.co.nz/marae-investigates/s2010-e6-video-3892818

The interview with Winston starts about 10 minutes in. He uses his often repeated line accusing other politicians of “failure”, except instead of saying “9 years” (as he did in 1993) or “15 years” (as he did in 1999), he now says “26 years”. He is like a defective juke box – no matter how many times you put your money in, he still plays the same tune.
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November 14, 2010 1:08pm
F E Smith

Jaba, re your point, I see in the article this quote:

“Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman Garth McVicar said his lobby group would gladly admit to having influenced the shift to giving state authorities more powers. ”

That is an interesting admission. It shows that McVicar (and Power) are admittedly engineering a push toward authoritarianism. While Power and the MoJ will say that it is all about balancing the rights of the individual with the need to fight crime, it is a fact that the body that gets to decide where that balance is happens to be the body that is proposing the measures to move the balance from its current, depleted, position to a position even more in favour of the Police and Crown.

The playing field is already far from level when a person is accused of an offence, and the proposals that Power and the MoJ have made and probably will make are all designed to reduce the chance of acquittal at trial. Indeed, it sometimes seems as if they are designed to reduce the opportunity to plead not guilty, let alone successfully defend a charge.

It is ironic that the government led by the New Zealand National Party is in fact making and implementing proposals that were developed by the Labour Party of the United Kingdom, a strongly authoritarian government that has led the UK into the position where it has now been officially called a surveillance state by it’s own privacy watchdog.

It is ironic, then, that Jonathan Temm says that this policy shift is a right wing one, when New Labour (under Blair) and old Labour (under Brown) were still very left wing in all but economic policy. Indeed, the previous restrictions on civil liberties in the 20th century were mostly done under the Liberal’s leadership, so I would say that in fact this is a drift to the left.

Today the UK has limited the right to silence even more: there still is one, but if you don’t say something at interview that you should have said at interview and then raise at trial, your silence at interview can be taken as evidence capable of supporting an inference of guilt. In other words, a judge or jury can say that your silence means you must be guilty.

Clever, isn’t it? The right to silence remains, but the effect of having that right is neutralised by allowing an inference to be drawn at the other end of the case, one that in no way reduces the right to silence at law, but in practice does so in every way imaginable.

The Police hate the public having the right to silence. I use the word public on purpose, because the right belongs to all of us, not just criminals. That said, reid, it is vital that even criminals have it because the Police will automatically assume the guilt of a suspect that already has convictions and if the right to silence is reduced or absent for those persons then there is every chance that a ‘confession’ or ‘admission’ (one is direct, the other can have inferences drawn from it) may be hectored, bullied or straight out intimidated from them. Of course, some will refuse to talk and so will go to prison for exercising what should be their right.

The right to silence comes out of many years of criminal justice practice, designed to prevent the abuses of the Star Chamber, or of the practice of torturing suspects to obtain a confession. It is a vital right, one that acknowledges that people should not have to incriminate themselves (and, Minister Power, a right not to answer if it would tend to incriminate themself is only useful if they know the answer will incriminate themself. If what they think is an innocuous answer suddenly becomes vital and convicts them, then that right is merely lip service).
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November 14, 2010 1:25pm
eszett

# Chuck Bird (1,235) Says:
November 14th, 2010 at 10:41 am

From the article below would it be reasonable to judge all lesbians by this sick couple – I do not think so? If I did I would be accused by many on this blog of being a homophobe.

If there was case of a Maori couple abusing a child there would be no shortage of racist generalisations.

NEWS OUTRAGE!

Police arrest lesbians for ‘torturing’ boy, 5
Forced him to put his hands on hot stove, burned his body, genitals with cigarettes

A 5-year-old Los Angeles boy is fighting for his life after police say he was severely tortured with burns and food deprivation by his lesbian mother and her live-in girlfriend

For rest of article

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67147

So let me see, Chuck. You looked up a 2 year old story about on WMD about “lesbians” and you felt compelled to post it. No need to verify it or check the original source. If you were really interested in the case, you might have noticed the WMD had no links to the original story.

Because the whole “lesbian” angle is just a made up and a bizarre fantasy of your friend Jo at Wing Nut Daily. Funny, none of the original articles mentions anything about them being lesbians.

Here are the original stories:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/17/local/me-abuse17
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/18/local/me-abuse18

and a good summary of the whole issue

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/21/local/me-abuse21/3

Yes, Chuck, this just reinforces how much of a bigot you really are. You will believe anything that feeds your irrational hatred of gay people.
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November 14, 2010 1:47pm
reid

That said, reid, it is vital that even criminals have it because the Police will automatically assume the guilt of a suspect that already has convictions…

That’s why I suggested a sliding scale system FE, for while to amass one or even several convictions may be regarded as a misfortune, continuing to amass them over one’s twenties and thirties looks like something else and should be treated accordingly.
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November 14, 2010 2:38pm
Fletch

Interesting. According to the 10th Amendment, the U.S constitution apparently allows for ‘Nullification’ – the ability of separate States in the U.S to reject the laws of Federal Government, especially if government is getting too big and controlling and starts trying to control people’s lives (like it’s doing now).

Thomas Woods has a new book about it called ‘Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century’. More info.

That’s what States need to be doing today.
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November 14, 2010 2:42pm
reid

Kaya thanks for your 10:44, very interesting that graph especially.
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November 14, 2010 2:46pm
starboard

..go the SST…go Garth McVicar…all power to you.
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November 14, 2010 2:49pm
reid

It’s somewhat amazing to me that it took a Garth McVicar to bring it about in the first place, this victim’s recognition amongst officialdom with all it has entailed.

Seriously, victim recognition is a drop dead no-brainer, if you live in the human race.

Why then was the bureaucracy and more importantly the politicians so slow to catch onto what marketers call: latent demand (i.e. demand unexpressed but nevertheless there)? You could see it building since the early 80’s. Slowly and gradually the crimes became more numerous and brutal. You only had to live in it. Duh.

I’ve been wondering why Power isn’t pushing this angle with much more vigour. There is no downside to it. Instead he acts like McVicar is on the dark side. The more he does that, the less popular he becomes. You’d think a FIGJAM would know better, wouldn’t you.
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November 14, 2010 3:44pm
Manolo

“You’d think a FIGJAM would know better, wouldn’t you.”

No, I wouldn’t. The mediocre barrister from Palmerston North or whereabouts appears overwhelmed by his responsibilities as minister of the Crown and has decided to play authoritarian.

He will support more controls and regulations everywhere.
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November 14, 2010 3:50pm
reid

He’s a lot more astute than that Manolo but his FIGJAM-iness gets in his way.
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November 14, 2010 4:39pm
Tina Palin

You know, I just love Alaska so much I had to give up being ist President so I could concentrate on otherways to promote Alaska, and now I have a new one – It’s me, on TV, on a show all about me This Greta State of Alaska. I do hope you get to see Sarah Palin’s Alaska on your homespun TV,

It starts tonight in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9pTAue5E1M
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November 14, 2010 5:05pm
starboard

In February Kurariki exposed himself, masturbated in front of one, and groped the journalists who had visited his mother Lorraine West’s South Auckland home for an arranged interview.
The journalists’ names are suppressed.
Judge Jonathan Moses said the victims had suffered “significant emotional impacts”.
On release from prison Kurariki must not take alcohol or drugs and not associate with any members of the Killer Beez gang, the judge ordered. He also said Kurariki was not to talk to media.

..this fucker is a complete waste of space. Do we just sit around and wait for him to murder someone so we can all say ” told ya so ” . He needs to be taken out. Removed from the planet. Deleted. What a scumbag asshole.
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November 14, 2010 7:25pm
reid

..this fucker is a complete waste of space.

He’s been bought up by the justice system starboard so what do you expect his formative experiences have been, vis-a-vis a normal 13-21 y.o. upbringing is.

I’m not excusing his actions, simply putting them in context.
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November 14, 2010 8:00pm
Hurf Durf

More crap parody from Billy Bonkers or Ezzie Babe or whoever else it is. Is there anything the left can’t do? Oh wait, I forgot, govern competently.

Tom Hunter: here’s another C4 documentary you need to watch, “Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story.” I can’t find a full version, but here’s a few clips that alone spell out the total disaster that is Fabianism.
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November 14, 2010 8:32pm
tom hunter

Hurf – thanks for those. Have set them up and will watch later. I’d have to say that I’m not sure if this supply-side stuff will work any longer, given the gigantic amounts of debt built up by the state. All economic theories have boundaries beyond which they break down.

It may well be that cutting taxes further won’t cause the economic uptick they used to because the state debt will impinge on other ways (e.g. money printing -=> inflation). Having said that I don’t think anybody will accept tax increases because most have finally accepted that the increased revenue will just get pissed away. Not to mention that tax cuts may (and should) focus on non-income taxes, because that’s where the bastards have gone in the last two decades as the income tax approach fell away.

In any case I suspect that people will really want to focus on spending cuts now rather than whether taxes should go up or down. We’ll see.

Meantime, here’s a companion piece for what you linked to: Precarious Albion.
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