General Debate 13 November 2010

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Yvette

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November 13, 2010 7:55am
Yvette

“Hui to heal Hobbit wounds
After the drama surrounding The Hobbit actors’ dispute, the film and television industry is looking to talk through their problems at an industry hui.”

Yeah, that will do it . . .

“No date has been set for the hui at this time.”

. . . probably the best point so far regarding this industry initiative.
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November 13, 2010 8:01am
Jimbob

Big day in sport, AB’s play Scotland, the Phoenix at home, the Kiwis in Brisy against the Roos and the NZ cup and the 1000 guineas at Riccarton finishing cup week.
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November 13, 2010 8:04am
John Gibson

There is a particularly revolting post by one of the cetaceans acolytes this morning. Let us hope the target of it puts the cetacean out of business.
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November 13, 2010 8:21am
rouppe

I was just down in the Porirua markets getting my weeks fruit and vege. A Matt McCarten worker was there touting for votes. Since I hadn’t heard anything specific I asked him to explain the financial transactions tax proposal to me.

So first he went into a speech about how GST was unfair because people on low incomes pay proportionally more of their income on GST.

Yeah Yeah, so tell me about the FTT. What transactions is it going to cover.
“Forex”.
Only forex?
“No, business transactions over a certain amount”.
So that includes buying these veges cause I’m buying them from a business?
“GST is unfair and a FTT is going to replace that and a progressive tax system”
So the FTT is going to replace both of those?
“No, GST will go and we will introduce a FTT and a progressive tax system”
So you’re going to whack up tax rates for high earners again?
“Absolutely”

Now this has not been articulated in any of the flyers Matt is sending around. He’s putting FTT and “fairer taxes” together to suggest that FTT is a fairer tax when in fact he’s really meaning he’s going to radically increase marginal tax rates at the top. Unfortunately I lost patience and missed the opportunity to ask him why it wasn’t OK for some people to pay proportionally more than others in GST but it was OK for some people to may proportionally more in income tax. They’re both taxes, right..?

Of course I know the answer to that but it is unfortunate Matt has chosen to not be honest about his plans
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November 13, 2010 8:31am
big bruv

Jimbob

Surely you do not believe that horse racing is a sport?
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November 13, 2010 8:32am
Pauleastbay

And Sonny Bill will again be inspirational to the All Blacks victory over Scotland.

I know you will be barracking for him Bruv, such is your deep admiration.
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November 13, 2010 8:34am
Jimbob

Big Bruv, it is the sport of Kings. I see you didn’t bag the Kiwis, so are you warming to rugby league Bruv?
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November 13, 2010 8:41am
Yvette

” Make-A-Wish is a charity partner of Air New Zealand. It works to grant the cherished wishes of children with life threatening medical conditions. So by sharing your “I wish I hadn’t” moment you’re helping make these special dreams come true. You can also check out the moments that others would rather forget – including some classics from high profile New Zealanders such as:
“I wish I hadn’t given those drums to Max!” Mils Muliaina – All Black
“I wish l hadn’t delivered those letters myself” Hon Chris Carter MP, Te Atatu – former Labour Cabinet Minister ”

Like – “I wish I’d just asked Matt McCarten to do it for me.”
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November 13, 2010 8:44am
MikeNZ

rouppe (145) Says:
November 13th, 2010 at 8:31 am

I just want him to split Labour vote and National get in. 🙂
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November 13, 2010 8:44am
Pauleastbay

Rouppe,

You might have been pulling the wings off a fly as well,…. you will have have the poor moron so confused he’ll huddle under the blankets for the rest of the day…good on ya
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November 13, 2010 8:48am
rouppe

I just want him to split Labour vote and National get in.

Me too

you will have have the poor moron so confused he’ll huddle under the blankets for the rest of the day

Unfortunately these guys are pretty good at the task they’ve been assigned. When in doubt or under pressure they’ve been given a bunch of slogans and loaded questions that they shout at the top of their voices. Hence the loss of patience.

I might have given it a go again next week but that’s election day so no point. Well maybe t is, since they’ll be touting to the last…
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November 13, 2010 8:56am
kaya

China flexing it’s muscles.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/03567a28-e8a3-11df-a383-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=Late_headline1/NL/APNovember2010/Vanilla_g20lea/0/#axzz156GBU3xt

“China has curtly dismissed a US proposal to address global economic imbalances, setting the stage for a potential showdown at next week’s G20 meeting in Seoul.

Cui Tiankai, a deputy foreign minister and one of China’s lead negotiators at the G20, said on Friday that the US plan for limiting current account surpluses and deficits to 4 per cent of gross domestic product harked back “to the days of planned economies”.

and:

“Separately, the deputy foreign minister also had a stern message for European leaders, warning them not to attend next month’s Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Liu Xiaobo, an imprisoned Chinese democracy activist.”
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November 13, 2010 9:13am
BeaB

No flies on high school teachers. They delayed calling off the strike until after school closed so the next day they had nice small Y10 classes, if any at all (let’s play another DVD?) and kept their days pay.

I remember when this rostering off (strike-without-losing-any-pay) began. Because it fell unfairly on some teachers, the PPTA branch decided everyone would donate a days pay to compensate their colleagues. A confidential bank account was set up and the grand sum of ZERO was donated.
Great solidarity.

I would like to know if ANY teachers have lost any pay as a result of the strike action over the past few weeks. If not, why not?
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November 13, 2010 9:26am
Scumsucker

‘I would like to know if ANY teachers have lost any pay as a result of the strike action over the past few weeks. If not, why not?’

Neville. Key.
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November 13, 2010 9:29am
Viking2

NO Ann Tolley decided not to punish them.
If you are on strike then you are not at work therefore should not be paid taxpayer funds.
Not sure what Tolley doesn’t understand about that.
The teachers will continue to cause much grief to Nats. They have it as a mission.
Apparently now its not about the money, (well what strike ever has been or is ?).

Was in a teachers lunch room yesterday and they were winding each other up.
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November 13, 2010 9:39am
WebWrat

The world has gone fucking insane!

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=2960#comment-8037

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/so-i-guess-this-means-we-wont-have-to-get-on-a-plane-with-muslim-women-anymore-hooray/

http://home.gethome.no/siamak.javid/etc/NewAirportSecurity.swf
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November 13, 2010 10:04am
transmogrifier

The teachers in the union were prepared to lose money, but the government declined to dock them pay. I suspect it’s because of the difficulty of actually doing it – you’d have to know which classes each member of the union taught in order to take the right amount.

If I was a member of the union, I would be pushing for the teachers to simply withdraw all voluntary labour, if they truly want to strike. No more coaching, managing, organizing prizegivings, after school tutorials etc. Rolling strikes in no way gain public support – they are just periodic pains in the ass to parents, who you need onside.
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November 13, 2010 10:14am
big bruv

Jimbob

First of all horse racing is not a sport, it is a pastime, nothing more than that.

As for the bullrush thugs, nothing to bag so far this week, they performed up to their usual woeful standard.
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November 13, 2010 10:26am
Scumsucker

Deducting pay is simple.

They all wanna get paid the same.

Well, deduct all union members the same.

Also, decline to deduct and pay union dues. That’ll screw ’em.
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November 13, 2010 10:28am
Fletch

On the news yesterday, a man made to feel like a pervert for taking 2 pictures of his daughter playing netball during her game.
Political correctness gone mad…

LINK
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November 13, 2010 10:42am
Dave Mann

Does anybody else find this fight about Sir Ed’s watches incredibly sad, petty and demeaning? And by what right would bloody state intervene in a family squabble over a dead guy’s keepsakes? Nasty.
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November 13, 2010 11:15am
Inventory2

@ Dave Mann – I do; Sir Ed would be turning in his grave.
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November 13, 2010 11:26am
starboard

..thats fucked up Fletch..getting a whipping for taking a couple of photos of ya kids playing sport…I bet the screaming hysterical complainant at the game was a man hating teacher..I know what I would have done had she stood behing my car blocking my exit…
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November 13, 2010 11:43am
reid

“Political correctness gone mad…”

That’s a real shocker Fletch. As we all know political correctness is a communist-driven social engineering dynamic designed to destroy the family unit. It masquerades as a protector of human rights when in reality what it does is use the natural human instincts of love of others and a desire to protect others from harm and twists these natural instincts into an expression of hatred against a perceived object of aggression which is generated by stereotyping groups, in this case white men. At the same time of course it vigorously and loudly proclaims it is completely against all of those negative things: hatred, aggression, stereotyping and is profoundly for all those positive things: love of others and a desire to protect people.

The people who fall for the argument were called useful idiots by Stalin and it’s an accurate adjective because it encapsulates exactly what these people are: both useful and idiotic. Two useful idiots in your example Fletch are of course the lady who approached the father and aggressively stood over him and the mother who wrote in to Campbell Live. Of course, both those people profoundly believe they were indeed being loving and protective and I guarantee you that they will never ever be able to see how profoundly incorrect they actually are.

I’m coming to the conclusion that the only way to deal with this long-term twisting of the natural human psyche by evil forces, is to demonstrate to the useful idiots how profoundly idiotic their position is. There are many fields of political correctness and to do this in each field would take a different set of techniques specifically designed for that field but the way I’d do it in this particular field is as follows.

Pass a law banning every parent from ever being alone with any of their children of the opposite sex. Ban mothers from ever being alone with their sons and ban fathers from ever being alone with their daughters. Ban parental bathing of their children, ban parents taking any photos of any opposite sex child. Now this is idiotic, impractical, unworkable and cruel. But that’s what political correctness actually is. Doing such a radical thing would not be necessary were not so many people so easily taken in by its lies and spin but they are and there are more every day. Something completely over the top like this is the only way to demonstrate to these people how profoundly idiotic they truly are.

The politically correct brigade of evil ones could hardly argue against it because you’d sell it in exactly the same way they sell their poison: it’s for the childwen, don’t you understand, won’t someone think of the childwen…

The politically correct brigade of evil ones BTW are those people in positions of responsibility and power in politics, universities and schools who know exactly what they’re doing and they are evil because unlike the majority of people who express politically correct perspectives, they’re not idiots in any way.
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November 13, 2010 11:55am
kowtow

Yeh Fletch ,I watched that and just shook my head.

Good decent folk being punished ,humiliated and victimised because our society will not deal properly with the real perverts and sickos.

And what a waste of police time too,at least they handled it well.
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November 13, 2010 12:56pm
Rodders

oops, wrong thread
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November 13, 2010 1:30pm
Rodders

oops, done it again
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November 13, 2010 1:35pm
Rodders

I’ll have to take more care in future to double-check which thread I am posting in 🙂
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November 13, 2010 1:55pm
BeaB

Transmogrifier
Actually most of the things you mention are not voluntary and are usually part of their employment agreement. In fact, many teachers owe their jobs to the fact that, as well a being a good teacher, they are also good coaches, organisers etc. They are often paid extra for these jobs too.
All these things are part of the job of being a modern professional teacher and one of the reasons they are well paid.
If they really thought the paltry claims they are making were worth all this strife they would be all out for a week or more, not this middle-class wussy dabbling in industrial action that just pisses everyone off and loses them sympathy.
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November 13, 2010 3:21pm
transmogrifier

Certainly not part of my employment contract, though the school hired me on the expectation that I would do extracurricular activities.
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November 13, 2010 4:47pm
Steve

Fletch,

Name the Woman who complained, or does she have name suppression?
I would have taken her photo and plastered it all over the Internet!

Hey D4J, feminazis, this is your specialty
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November 13, 2010 5:36pm
Pauleastbay

D4J and DPF are currently estranged
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November 13, 2010 5:53pm
Steve

‘D4J and DPF are currently estranged’

Did not know, had a comp meltdown
4 months for DFJ, he must have had a gutsfull of something or someone
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November 13, 2010 6:44pm
Johnboy

How is life treating you Yvette?
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November 13, 2010 6:48pm
kowtow

“Moderate ” muslims hosting extremists ,ably supported by dhimmi Christian and secular “human rights”organisations in Britain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8114913/Top-charities-give-200000-to-group-which-supported-al-Qaeda-cleric.html
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November 13, 2010 9:09pm
Viking2

The only place in NZ that this would happen would be Christchurch. Look at their record. The town if full of twisted sick people.
No doubt had the press been there photo’s would have been staged for the Press.
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November 13, 2010 9:59pm
John Gibson

D4J has psychological and perhaps psychiatric issues that mean he is probably not capable of communicating in a way that is appropriate for a public forum.
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November 13, 2010 10:52pm
big bruv

“4 months for DFJ, he must have had a gutsfull of something or someone”

You called?
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November 13, 2010 11:03pm
noskire

Good post reid.
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November 14, 2010 8:08pm
dad4justice

“D4J has psychological and perhaps psychiatric issues that mean he is probably not capable of communicating in a way that is appropriate for a public forum.”

Nice one Gibson you deranged cowardly pus ball.

Hey big blouse can you stop with the insane emails. Grow up you sick ####!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Farrar you got some sick units here at this troll farm for the mentally unwell keyboard cowards.
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November 14, 2010 8:14pm

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