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October 28, 2010 9:02am by David Farrar

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Brian Smaller

Ryan – the Woman’s Minister of one the the Scandinavian countries a few years back said pretty much that because their countries were now “multi-cultural’ that girls should dress modestly or else they would be partially responsible for their being raped.
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October 28, 2010 12:20pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan – the Woman’s Minister of one the the Scandinavian countries a few years back said pretty much that because their countries were now “multi-cultural’ that girls should dress modestly or else they would be partially responsible for their being raped.

Yes, well, that’s a fucked thing to say, isn’t it.
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October 28, 2010 12:22pm
Redbaiter

“Robert Plant?”

Brian- Written by Rowland Salley, Chris Isaak’s bass player. The best version by a light year (IMHO) is here-

http://www.sbs.com.au/rockwiz/past/270/Dan-Wilson-and-Liz-Stringer
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October 28, 2010 12:23pm
Roflcopter

100th post! Woot!

Hi Redbaiter.
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October 28, 2010 12:34pm
kowtow

True conservatives and genuine democrats can only applaud the Tea Party movement ,a genuine desire to take back control of government and place it where it belongs ,in the hands of the peolple.

That’s why it scares the Establishment and liberal elites, they only believe in themselves and their priveliges and power.

If the T Party were composed of immigrants,”people of colour” or leftists the commentariat would be praising it as a grass roots, activist democratic movement. However as it appears to be largely composed of white middle class Christians it becomes a mob of angry,redneck ,ignorant,racist,fundamentalists.

Watch the “intelligentsia” squeal with indignation after the mid terms ,I can’t wait!
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October 28, 2010 12:43pm
Fletch

I see that the Democrats don’t have any solid arguments on the issues, so instead they are cheating…

Tactics include –

* Not allowing troops overseas to vote, but homeless people can.
* Some ballot papers have a name already ticked
* In Illinois, voting papers were posted out, with no hope of the papers being sent back by mail in time to be counted.
* A union member has been caught registering 23,000 fake votes.

And more ….

The left just can’t stand losing, and they’ll do anything underhanded to make sure they hang on to power.
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October 28, 2010 12:44pm
Viking2

This morning as I and mny others were going off to work I came across 4 police ossifers holding up traffic immediately on the leaving side of a big round about. They were just being a bloody nuisance and tax collecting.
todya I read about this bullshit where a police ossifer didn’thave the authority to use a radar gun and give out tickets.

Apart from the fact that I just don’t beleive the police who gave out this crap, I’m pissed about the police collecting taxes when as of the last 3-4 weeks our part of the town in Greerton in Tauranga and down into town places been covered in graffiti and these pricks are home in bed while the crime is being done.

NZ Police long arm of the IRD.
And no I didn’t get cauight doing anything nor did hundreds of others. Just pissed off at the useless policing.

TV3 claimed the All Blacks head coach was allegedly driving at 81kmh in a 50kmh zone on the Auckland waterfront when he was nabbed by police, and was let off with a warning.

A lone police officer, without authority, was using police radar equipment and stopping speeding motorists, police said today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/4281115/How-Graham-Henry-escaped-traffic-penalty
The officer did not have authority to issue tickets and was now being “spoken to”.
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October 28, 2010 12:52pm
Shunda barunda

So try harder. A lot of non-Christians feel the same way when talking to Christians – the sense that they’re considered sub-human in some way, the condescension.

I would add that a lot of Christians feel the same way when talking to other Christians!
The reason that church has become irrelevant is not so much that society has become more evil but that the “church” has become irrelevant due to corruption of the foundational principles of the faith.
Christianity is supposed to be about personal freedom, to be set free, to have abundant life. What many Christians are promoting is nothing other than a type of spiritual socialism that creates clones of dull uninteresting people.
Is it any wonder people reject it?
Is it any wonder that other religions are filling the void?
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October 28, 2010 1:04pm
tom hunter

As for the Tea party, yes they are bloody stupid, the idiots are going to hand Obama another term in office, anybody who helps Obama achieve that is indeed stupid.

There seems to be some lack of understanding of the separation of government powers in the US. With GOP control of Congress and drawing almost level in the Senate, Obama’s agenda is stuffed whether he gets a second term or not.

You can thank the Tea Party for that. You can also thank them for supplying the spine needed in 2009 to actually oppose Obama’s plans – whereas earlier in the year their talk was openly of compromise and accepting the argument that conservatism had been rejected in 2008.

On the other hand, if GOP committee chairman now allow things like Cap and Trade to go forward and if they undermine repeal of the key parts of Obamacare, then Obama’s agenda will not only be moved forward but they will have undermined any reason to vote for the GOP in 2012 and beyond – aside from the hopeless claim that they’ll run the socialist institutions better (e.g. the National Party playbook). A larger version of Romney and his Massachusett healthcare disaster.

Now that would define stupid.
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October 28, 2010 1:38pm
Redbaiter

Well put Tom, but sadly, in BB’s case it is a complete waste of effort. BB believes everything the far left media tell him (John Stewart etc) and does not have the intellectual ability to react to any information that is delivered at any level of intelligence that exceeds that of the pants wetting liberals who write scripts for, star in, and watch such events.

You can confront him with as much logic and information as you like on any issue, and the very next day he is back here with the same weak bullshit. He is just incapable of applying any basic reasoning or political understanding. Like a pull string doll, he is programmed to say one thing and he says it endlessly.

Knuckle dragging ghouls like Bruv suck up the bullshit of Stewart et al without ever subjecting it to scrutiny. For example, if the Tea Party wants to impose a totalitarian religious regime on the US, why do they so strongly advocate a return to the Constitution when that document draws a clear line separating government and religion, as the framers intended?

Or for another example- the claim that the Tea Party will gift the 2012 election to Obama, when in fact its clear that the Republican Party has been energised like never before and is winning (or looking like winning) in so many seats where Democrats once enjoyed significant leads? The Tea Party candidates are drawing those Americans out to vote who have not until now had a good reason to do so, with candidates so similar previously they weren’t worth the effort.

The knuckle dragging BBs of this world have been crippling the right for far too long. They should stop their white anting and go work on/for the Democrats/ Labour, their real political home.
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October 28, 2010 1:59pm
Ryan Sproull

I would add that a lot of Christians feel the same way when talking to other Christians!
The reason that church has become irrelevant is not so much that society has become more evil but that the “church” has become irrelevant due to corruption of the foundational principles of the faith.
Christianity is supposed to be about personal freedom, to be set free, to have abundant life. What many Christians are promoting is nothing other than a type of spiritual socialism that creates clones of dull uninteresting people.

Fair enough, Shunda. Would you include in that latter group those Christians who would like homosexual practice to be outlawed again? Is that an example of Christians who are not about personal freedom, and who are about creating clones? I’m not sure that most forms of Christianity have ever been fundamentally about personal freedom, though certainly Christian beliefs in the equality of souls has been a driving force behind equal-rights movements.
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October 28, 2010 2:09pm
starboard

The officer did not have authority to issue tickets and was now being “spoken to

..well what the fuck was he doin issuing tickets then??..someone is police comms would have known what was goin on..they know where all cops are all of the time…sounds like he was playing big noter…sack his arse..
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October 28, 2010 2:22pm
Redbaiter

“…sack his arse..”

The only way out of all of this shit is to stop voting for the fucking politicians who support it. Tell the gutless bastards you will not vote for it and tell them you will vote for someone else. It doesn’t matter who. If you vote for the status quo, you’ll get the status quo.

Actually, I reckon we badly need a Motorist’s Party. It would piss all over ACT and The Watermelons in public support.
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October 28, 2010 2:33pm
big bruv

Tom

“Obama’s agenda is stuffed whether he gets a second term or not……You can thank the Tea Party for that.”

Really?….that is stretching things a bit bloody far.

Sure, the Tea Party fundies might have re energised the far right, that was always going to happen given their fundamentalist origins, however, even they know that middle America (who may well not be happy with Obama) will just not vote for a party that has close ties with that moon bat Palin.

I detest Obama and everything he stands for, however, in 2010 it is inconceivable that a huge percentage of your population effectively has no access to health care, whatever your political leanings might be there is no excuse for that.
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October 28, 2010 2:36pm
big bruv

“Like a pull string doll, he is programmed to say one thing and he says it endlessly.”

Ha ha ha…did you look in the mirror when you typed that?
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October 28, 2010 2:37pm
wreck1080

Kiwiblog keeps defaulting to the mobile version of the site.

I’ve cleared out all the cookies, and retried, but it goes back to the mobile version.

My browser is chrome?

Anyone know how to fix this?
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October 28, 2010 3:08pm
Ryan Sproull

I can’t replicate the problem, wreck. Have you tried altering the power state to off-mode, then transitioning the power status to “active”?
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October 28, 2010 3:11pm
Offshore_Kiwi

So BB, the Tea Party has energised the far right. Plenty of others as well, if the reports from their rallies are anything to go by.

Look & learn, numpty
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html
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October 28, 2010 3:13pm
Fletch

wreck it happens to me sometimes, too. Don’t know why. It usually fixes when I click on that link top-right that says to go to main version, or when I log in. When i load it on my iPhone I get the mobile version, but I find i can’t post on the mobile version unless I load the full site on mobile.
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October 28, 2010 3:20pm
Fletch

bb, I also detest Obama, especially since reading Pamela Geller’s book, “The Post-American Presidency”. I have no respect for Obama whatsoever. He has weakened security in America that was set in place since 9/11, tried to cosy up to Muslim/Arab nations and alienated America’s traditional allies. I don’t know if he is Muslim, as others have speculated, but he sure does go out of his way to pander to them. The White House is not allowed to use the terms, “Jihad”, “war on terror”, or “terrorist” in case it offends some Muslim or other. Reading the book, every second week he seemed to be trying some new thing to reach out to Muslim nations and communities, while they laugh at him. He’s useless. And dangerous.
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October 28, 2010 3:24pm
big bruv

Offshore

You send me a link glorifying Glen (bring on the tears) Beck and then call me a numpty?

Do me a favour please, stay Offshore.
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October 28, 2010 3:34pm
joana

I agree Fletch.
The plight of the Egyptian Copts needs more attention..Curently an article on Winds of Jihad..re muslims preparing genocide for them. Also a photo of one being burned alive..There are quite a few Egyptian Christians here who speak quite frankly..other E. muslims convert to Christianity when they come here. They say that NZ will be an absolute ”pushover” for the muslims.
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October 28, 2010 3:37pm
big bruv

Fletch

None of what you said in your 3.24pm post I disagree with.

He is indeed useless and dangerous, however, I maintain (and irrespective of any left or right leanings) that any first world nation that has a system where huge numbers of their people effectively have no access to health care is wrong.

One of the many great things about the USA is that they have a system like no other in as much as every man is indeed born equal, every man has the same chance as the rest, however that does not apply to staying healthy.
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October 28, 2010 3:39pm
Redbaiter

“I detest Obama and everything he stands for, however, in 2010 it is inconceivable that a huge percentage of your population effectively has no access to health care,”

When I say this-

“Like a pull string doll, he is programmed to say one thing and he says it endlessly.”

Bruv’s statement above is a good example of what I am talking about. This claim is just plain and simple bullshit. Democrat propaganda of the worst kind. But this fucking meat head who postures as “detesting Obama” will repeat it ad finitum, and never even think to check out its accuracy. Just a dumbarsed lamer. Fuck off and work for Labour Bruv, you’re so stoopid you’ll be welcomed with open arms there. They love lamers.
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October 28, 2010 3:40pm
Redbaiter

“the USA is that they have a system like no other in as much as every man is indeed born equal”

Hahahhaha.. fuck off back to Panda sports you pathetic moron.

[DPF: 10 demerits]
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October 28, 2010 3:43pm
big bruv

I have checked out is accuracy Redbaiter, and once again it shows that you are nothing more than a cut and paste merchant who regurgitates the crap we hear from Glen Beck, tell me, have you ever had an original thought in your miserable little life?

I enjoy getting under your skin Redbaiter, I also enjoy pointing out where you are wrong and where you tell blatant lies.

Suck it up Russell, not everybody on the right is as brain dead as you are, some of us can think for ourselves and go a bit past being a repeater for Glen Beck and the rest of the fundamentalist religious right.
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October 28, 2010 3:47pm
big bruv

Are you having a bad day Russell?, are the incontinence pants a bit tight?
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October 28, 2010 3:48pm
Redbaiter

“I have checked out is accuracy Redbaiter,”

Hhahah.. Bruv you haven’t got the fucking intelligence to measure your shirt size.

“are the incontinence pants a bit tight?”

How dumb and infantile, especially coming from someone who demonstrates all of the signs of advanced Alzheimer’s.
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October 28, 2010 3:50pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Bruv, “…not everybody on the right is as brain dead as you are…”

By implication, you claim to be on the right, correct? And yet you have, also by implication, spent the past couple of hours praising Obamacare?

Numpty. Like Redbaiter said, go work for labour.
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October 28, 2010 4:00pm
big bruv

You should check it out Russell, check out why so many people in the USA are keen on doing something about healthcare, some of the idea’s are fantastic.

Mind you…that would mean you might have to think for yourself, much easier I guess to sit in your retirement home, switch on Sky, tune into Glen Beck, get naked and lather yourself in baby oil while you watch the Glen Beck show.

………..Cue the next comment full of the usual and boringly predictable abuse from Russell.
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October 28, 2010 4:01pm
big bruv

Offshore

“And yet you have, also by implication, spent the past couple of hours praising Obamacare?”

Show me where I have said that?, come on moron, show me where I have praised Obamacare?
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October 28, 2010 4:03pm
Redbaiter

“check out why so many people in the USA are keen on doing something about healthcare”

The majority want Obama care repealed. Only the hard left are for it. Fucking morons like you. Full of bullshit and not being smart enough to know it.

“switch on Sky, tune into Glen Beck, get naked and lather yourself in baby oil while you watch the Glen Beck show.”

Fuck off back to Panda Sports Bruv. There you can live out your sick sexual fantasies to your heart’s content. You’re a low IQ loon without a fucking brain cell to bless yourself. You have no business discussing politics.
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October 28, 2010 4:06pm
Offshore_Kiwi

I said “by implication” dickhead. Joining the dots you’ve laid out in your comments.

Complaining about the number of people in the US who don’t have health care while in the same breath even mentioning Obama is implying that the Kenyan has done something about health care. The only thing he’s done in the health care space is Obamacare.

Oh and I think you spend far too much time thinking about Redbaiter in what can only be described in unusual situations.
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October 28, 2010 4:09pm
Redbaiter

“Oh and I think you spend far too much time thinking about Redbaiter in what can only be described in unusual situations.”

Really weird ain’t it? Real left field stuff that puts his mental health even more in question. I mean, a sexual deviate with homosexual fantasies and Alzheimers? Fucking dangerous if you ask me.
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October 28, 2010 4:12pm
big bruv

Offshore

No dots to join you fool, you were exposed as an idiot and in a mad panic to prove that you are not (you failed miserably by the way) you have reverted to telling blatant lies.

I will repeat it for you as like Redbaiter you seem unable to form an original thought.

My point (are you paying attention?) is this, irrespective of ones political leanings it is inconceivable that in 2010 that a large percentage of the American Population has effectively no access to health care.

That is all I said moron, I did not praise or offer support to Obamacare….Obamacare is a miserable failure and always will be when you leave something as important as healthcare to partisan political hacks.

I know that both you and Russell have problems with original thoughts, I also suspect the real reason you are so against healthcare for all is because…well….its mainly the Blacks and Hispanics who are not covered, and we all know they don’t vote Republican or for the Tea Party fundamentalist nutters.

And as for Russell, while you obviously do not deal in the real world you might want to check your facts on that as well. I comment on a post that interests me, I do not do it for anybody else I do it for me, Russell for some strange reason has decided to chase me all over the internet.

I guess it just proves what a sad man he is.
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October 28, 2010 4:20pm
Redbaiter

“I will repeat it for you as like Redbaiter you seem unable to form an original thought.”

Hhahahha.. said by one whose every utterance here is either the fruit of someone else’s thinking or another verse of the same old lies and smears he uses six times every day.

“it is inconceivable that in 2010 that a large percentage of the American Population has effectively no access to health care.”

There’s an example. You keep repeating this idiotic statement without a clue as to how meaningless and incorrect it is. (straight from Democrat Central Control and repeated ad infinitum by all Democrat controlled media outlets) Fucking pull string doll. Fuck off and work for Labour. Moron. Fouling and white anting the right for decades.
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October 28, 2010 4:24pm
tom hunter

Sigh…

… in 2010 it is inconceivable that a huge percentage of your population effectively has no access to health care, whatever your political leanings might be there is no excuse for that.

If you are at all interested in the US in terms of politics, economics or anything else, then there really is no excuse for this sort of ignorance and demagoguery.

The left have been claiming for 20 years plus that some 45 million Americans (the number occasionally jumps to 55 million) have no health insurance. In the heat of the Obamacare debate that number was finally whittled down after numerous critics pointed out that it included some 9 million illegal aliens. A separate debate can be had about providing health care to them but the key point is that they are not American citizens with all the legal rights such status includes.

Before looking at that I must point out that the left-rhetoric on this has been clever: 36 million people (approx) without health insurance has been allowed to morph into the implication that they are without healthcare. That is absolutely not true and actually goes to the heart of two of the groups without health insurance – young people and people with decent incomes.

If you take a further look at the Census Bureau and DHHS figures, of those alleged “45 million uninsured Americans,”
– another fifth aren’t uninsured but are covered by Medicare
– another two-fifths are the young and mobile (they don’t have health insurance, but they don’t have life insurance or home insurance, either—they’re 22 and immortal and life’s a party)
– Included in that portion are people who are wealthier than the insured population (yes – really). Almost 20 percent of the uninsured have household income of over $75,000

The point about those two latter groups is that they have clearly made a decision to pay out-of-pocket for healthcare and that they have been happy to do so, otherwise they’d have got health insurance.

That leaves about 9 million Americans without health insurance on a permanent or semi-permanent basis – out of a population of some 310 million. If there are 9 million Americans with such a problem the easiest way to fix it would have been to modify the rules of Medicare, the already existing government healthcare program for the poor. At least that’s how I’d solve a 2% problem.

I’d also deal to the existing stupid “marketplace” of US healthcare by allowing health insurance companies to sell whatever the hell policies they want anywhere in the US they want – unlike the present regulatory disaster of state-restricted insurance that mandates what the companies can sell. A process that Obamacare has made worse: one reason why so many gleeful young idiot Obama voters have soured on Obama and co. has been because the new rules mandate policies loaded with stuff they don’t care about and don’t need, and force them to buy it at the point of an IRS agent.

But Obambi and co were not happy doing any of that. They wanted direct control, they’ve almost got it via Obamacare, and they obtained it by brute force parliamentary games and by guilting out people with the Look how many people don’t have healthcare I want to help them – don’t you? routine.

And obviously it works.
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October 28, 2010 4:28pm
dime

“it is inconceivable that in 2010 that a large percentage of the American Population has effectively no access to health care.”

Is that a bruv quote?

I think 80% of americans had health insurance before Obama came along and fucked everyone. Maybe even a higher percentage
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October 28, 2010 4:29pm
big bruv

That’s right Russell, I keep repeating that statement because it is a statement of fact, one that I have checked up on.

You should give it a crack sometime, exercise your brain.

Pick one day (just one) where you post comments that are not full of abuse, that have or form an argument, that engage others in real debate and one day where you will actually swap ideas with somebody without abusing them.

I doubt you can do it, I suspect you are so full of your own self importance (the talking in the third person stuff is laughable) that you see it as your job to “keep all the commies out”.

Come on Redbaiter, leave the narcissistic personality at home one day and rejoin the human race, despite what you think you are not Gods messenger sent here to fight off the commies, you are just one man who can make no difference at all.

I bet you cannot do it…
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October 28, 2010 4:38pm
big bruv

Tom

You are happy to see 36 million people effectively have no healthcare?

I guess you are also one who thinks that only Republican voters have the right to good health.
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October 28, 2010 4:42pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Bruv, when you’re arguing a position and everyone else (I mean everyone else – even our resident leftie Tom Hunter) is arguing against you, you are wrong. When you are arguing a position based on “facts” you dredged up from the Democrat’s website, you are wrong. When you are given facts proving 9million, and you invent an additional 27million, you are wrong.

You really should STFU, and shuffle on back over the Red Blert where you belong.
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October 28, 2010 4:51pm
tom hunter

You are happy to see 36 million people effectively have no healthcare?

And here I thought my final line was a piece of humour that would hit home……?

Let me lay this out for you again – people who do not have healthcare insurance in the US do not necessarily equate to people who effectively have no healthcare – which is why some 18 million apparently choose not to, although their income stats show they could afford to (I put in the $75,000/year percentile, but there’s also a $50,000/year percentile that amounts to another few million “uninsured”.

In any case – and it would seem that even laying this out in large, glowing, blinking lights is not getting the message through – the problem could be resolved within the existing system, flawed as it is, without resorting to an even bigger version of Medicare and Medicaid, two 40 year-old Government programs that were already spinning out of control.

I guess you are also one who thinks that only Republican voters have the right to good health.

And you despise Obama and the left?

Really?

Because that little piece of rhetoric is straight out of the lefty playbook on virtually any subject. You won’t have a problem with that though when the Greens fire it back at you on AGW, education, social welfare,……..
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October 28, 2010 4:55pm
Redbaiter

“then there really is no excuse for this sort of ignorance and demagoguery.”

Unless you’re just a left wing shit head who thinks a bit of Maori bashing now and again is all it takes to define as right wing. Fucking moron is a complete waste of time. You want to understand how the left have so completely captured this country look no further than the appalling ignorance of such as Big Obama Bruv. Ignorance mixed with a low IQ, Alzheimers and some sort of crazed sexual abnormality. Could the left ask for anything more?

“You really should STFU, and shuffle on back over the Red Blert where you belong.”

He must be feeling a bit isolated today. The usual clique of hard left morons aren’t here to help him out as they usually are.
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October 28, 2010 4:55pm
Angus

Obama touts 47 million uninsured based on a 2007 census that suggested just under 46 million were uninsured.

However, omitting..

1) The 18 million who earn over $50,000 p.a. (half of whom earn over $75k) and who choose to pay as they go;

2) The 13 million illegal aliens;

3) The 8 million Americans under the age of 18 who are eligible for taxpayer-funded cover but whose parents haven’t signed them up;

4) And the 18-30 year olds who consider themselves invincible and haven’t purchased health insurance;

Then you’re left with 8 million low-income Americans, 3 percent of the population, most of whom are eligible for subsidized care under state Medicaid or federal Medicare programs.
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October 28, 2010 4:57pm
tom hunter

…even our resident leftie Tom Hunter) is

And with that wonderful quote to treasure, I will go back out into the sunlight in great good humour.

Not that I hold it against you Offshore (262 comments indicate you’ve not been around here that long), but I think you may have me confused with recent leftie arrival, Tom Gould!
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October 28, 2010 4:57pm
big bruv

Offshore

It might surprise you that some people can do their own research without relying on morons like Glen Beck for their “facts”.

I have not been within a hundred miles of any Democratic website, for you to suggest that I have is a classic Alysnki move.

Be it 9 million (and they are only Hispanics and Blacks so who cares aye) or the more accurate 36 million it is still inconceivable that people die because they cannot afford healthcare or life saving drugs.

You are a cheerleader Offshore, one who relies on biased and slanted “facts”, I imagine you are also a tea party nutter and a religious bigot as well.

I have obviously got right under your skin as well, that proves that my work here is done for the day.
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October 28, 2010 4:58pm
Redbaiter

“That leaves about 9 million Americans without health insurance on a permanent or semi-permanent basis – out of a population of some 310 million. If there are 9 million Americans with such a problem the easiest way to fix it would have been to modify the rules of Medicare, the already existing government healthcare program for the poor. At least that’s how I’d solve a 2% problem.”

And like some of the young, some of them may just prefer to spend their money elsewhere. Next thing Bruv will be here complaining about homeless people numbers going up when Republican presidents are elected.
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October 28, 2010 5:00pm
tom hunter

Careful now Angus – you’re quoting figures that differ from some of mine by a million or so.

A powerful intellect could drive holes through those size gaps I’m sure.
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October 28, 2010 5:00pm
Redbaiter

“I have obviously got right under your skin as well”

No more than any other blustering left wing ignoramus does.
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October 28, 2010 5:01pm
Redbaiter

A powerful intellect could drive holes through those size gaps I’m sure.

..and Big Bruv is just that intellect… 🙂

Its a complete waste of time. He saw it on the Daily Show and that’s it. He’ll be back here tomorrow and every other day claiming “25% of Americans have no access to health care.” Just a clueless buffoon.
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October 28, 2010 5:08pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Tom (Hunter) my most humble apologies. I was pretty worked up trying to engage in a fact-based debate with Bruv, and lost my senses for a minute. It’s an error I promise won’t be made again!
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October 28, 2010 5:19pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Bruv, I am not a cheerleader, nor a Tea Party nutter. Were there a Tea Party, or some other genuinely Right-ist party in New Zealand, I would support it, but since I am not eligible to vote in the US I cannot, and therefore do not, support the Tea Party.

You have not got under my skin. You have had no impact on me whatsoever, apart from causing me to mistake Tom Hunter for Tom Gould (apologies again, Tom H). Your lack of ability to engage in discourse based on facts (real ones, not the ones you get from the Dem’s website or Jon Stewart) out you completely as a leftie troll.
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October 28, 2010 5:26pm
Redbaiter

Actually, we have had some impact on the degenerate loser- The other day he was claiming about 75 million without health care.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/general_debate_25_october_2010.html#comment-757599

Now he’s down to half that. For someone so careful to be factual as BB (smirk) that’s some kind of adjustment.
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October 28, 2010 5:33pm
Kris K

Redbaiter 4:55 pm,

You want to understand how the left have so completely captured this country look no further than the appalling ignorance of such as Big Obama Bruv. Ignorance mixed with a low IQ, Alzheimers and some sort of crazed sexual abnormality. Could the left ask for anything more?

He must be feeling a bit isolated today. The usual clique of hard left morons aren’t here to help him out as they usually are.

It seems that BB’s lone voice is no barrier to his machine gun repetitive mantra, or his ignoring of close agreeance facts which several sources have provided for his edification. Perhaps to the above list of conditions which BB suffers you could add “masochistic tendencies” – another trademark of someone who doesn’t know when he’s been beat, but just keeps coming back for more … and more … and more …

What is it about those on the left and their complete lack of basic comprehension skills?
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October 28, 2010 5:39pm
kelsey

Preview of The Hobbit trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPh12Q7cpeE
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October 28, 2010 5:44pm
Redbaiter

“What is it about those on the left and their complete lack of basic comprehension skills?”

Scientists Find ‘Liberal Gene’ | NBC San Diego

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, “ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4.”

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html
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October 28, 2010 5:58pm
RRM

Oh, so it’s all the dopamine I pick up from reading these GD threads that makes me a leftie?

Fancy that.
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October 28, 2010 6:01pm
mikeysmokes

Thanks chaps that made for an entertaining read. We should get together some time for a drink. That would be a great fucking laugh
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October 28, 2010 6:03pm
Angus

“Oh, so it’s all the dopamine I pick up from reading these GD threads that makes me a leftie?”

In short, no. It’s the fact that you’re a kool-aid drinking fool who lives in a world of delusional feel-good assertions and fantasy driven denial.
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October 28, 2010 6:13pm
Lucia Maria

RB,

I don’t know about that “liberal gene”. They may as well find a “laziness gene” or a “slush-head” gene. Our genetics sucks in general because of original sin which means our bodies create a pull on our mind and spirit that is destructive in general. Liberalism, in my way of thinking, is just a pathology of not wanting to grow up. All of which can be overcome.
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October 28, 2010 6:45pm
Offshore_Kiwi

I tend to agree, Lucia. I’m not sure about a “liberal gene”. I think leftism is a disease of the young that most get cured of when they get a job and have to stand on their own two feet. For those who continue to suffer from leftism past their early 20s (or so), it’s more likely some kind of aberration, or perhaps an injury to the frontal lobe.
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October 28, 2010 6:55pm
Lucia Maria

Offshore_Kiwi,

Youth has been extended into the 20’s and even 30’s now, so that’s probably why it seems like an aberration. If we went back to a more dangerous way of life, where we had to grow our own food and defend ourselves from wolves and raiders, then the numbers of liberals would reduce drastically. Liberalism is synonymous with wealth and indolence.
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October 28, 2010 7:08pm
Rex Widerstrom

Okay, initially the proliferation of “Mohammed” (in all its forms) alarmed me, till I found out what the alternatives are… at least if you’re in Australia. They include Benson. And Hedges. And yes, they’re twins.

There’s also L-A (Ladasha, which is bad enough in its extended form) and Rocket Romance.

*headdesk*
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October 28, 2010 7:09pm
Kris K

Redbaiter 5:58 pm,

“What is it about those on the left and their complete lack of basic comprehension skills?”

Scientists Find ‘Liberal Gene’ | NBC San Diego

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, “ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4.”

… which leads me to my next question: Is there a cure? – and if so, what’s the best way of administering said cure?

I have a few ideas, but they would be a waste of good lead or good rope 😉
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October 28, 2010 7:12pm
starboard

The brother of the Westport teenager killed in an alleged drink-driving car crash is facing a raft of charges himself, including drink-driving.
Monday Wihongi, 24, of Waimangaroa, north of Westport, appeared in Westport District Court today for pre-sentencing on charges of drink-driving, threatening with a weapon, failing to answer police bail, and cultivation of cannabis
The Westport court was told today that Wihongi had appeared in Greymouth District Court earlier this week for breach of bail conditions. At that appearance he had asked for a relaxation of his bail terms so he could consume alcohol during a very stressful time for him and his family.

..good one , feral scumbags..shame they all cant be ” deleted “..
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October 28, 2010 7:18pm
Rex Widerstrom

Dopamine = feelings of pleasure.

Therefore being a liberal brings pleasure.

Whereas it appears from the Kiwiblog’s comments section that being a conservative brings about sclerosis of thought patterns and ongoing dyspesia. 😛 😀
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October 28, 2010 7:31pm
Shunda barunda

I have a few ideas, but they would be a waste of good lead or good rope 😉

Basically what Kris is trying to say is……
BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
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October 28, 2010 7:37pm
Johnboy

“BURN THE WITCH!!!!!”

And her cat! Don’t forget the cat!! 🙂
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October 28, 2010 7:39pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs5wxhcExyA&feature=related
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October 28, 2010 7:48pm
Kris K

Shunda barunda 7:37 pm,

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!

Only if she floats, Shunda, only if she floats.
Which reminds me, what’s your buoyancy like … sinker or floater?
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October 28, 2010 7:48pm
Shunda barunda

The thing to remember people…. if Kris is of the Pentecostal type… HE AINT JOKING!!

I can assure you Kris that while I have been accused of “witchcraft” by many a insecure Christian, I felt much better when I realised what they really meant was “independent thinker”.

Not interested in flying around on a broom stick, too damned draughty!
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October 28, 2010 8:02pm
Johnboy

Does “Independent thinker” really mean that you only use one brain cell?
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October 28, 2010 8:04pm
Shunda barunda

yes
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October 28, 2010 8:16pm
Ryan Sproull

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, “ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4.”

Another mark in the “no free will” tally 😉
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October 28, 2010 8:18pm
Johnboy

Thank God.

I thought it was only me who was the only unineuronic on this erudite blogsite. 🙂
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October 28, 2010 8:20pm
Lucia Maria

Does anyone know what has happened to Pete George? He’s gone from completely prolific to dead silence. I hope he’s ok.

Are you out there, Pete?
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October 28, 2010 8:21pm
Johnboy

I have been told I have a dopamine receptor gene called WERD0.

I told the doctors to get stuffed.
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October 28, 2010 8:24pm
Shunda barunda

I need more brain cells cause I don’t know what the hell Johnboy is on about.

That probably means I am a witch I guess.

I am going to ride a shovel instead of a broom though.
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October 28, 2010 8:24pm
Johnboy

Have you ever watched a TV program called “Waking the Dead” Lucia? 🙂
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October 28, 2010 8:25pm
Johnboy

Make sure your shovel has a sidecar for your cat Shunda. 🙂
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October 28, 2010 8:26pm
Lucia Maria

Johnboy,

No, I haven’t. Currently, the only thing I watch is “Chuck”, and that’s only because my 13 yo really wants to see it and I have to make sure it’s age appropriate for him. I miss “Lie to Me” …
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October 28, 2010 8:29pm
Johnboy

Petty George can do a very good impression of “Lie to Me” though he generally makes me prefer to go for a quick “Chuck”.
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October 28, 2010 8:33pm
Shunda barunda

What? that fluffy little crap factory that keeps defiling my office with his putrid presents?
Not into faecaphiliacs Johnboy!!
I’m thinking a bag of Muslim guinea pigs!!
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October 28, 2010 8:33pm
Shunda barunda

Just to clarify, Pete George does not crap in my office, it is our wretched cat called “Pickle” or more recently “faecill”
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October 28, 2010 8:36pm
Lucia Maria

What if I add The Good Wife to that? Ended on a cliff-hanger. Will she through her marriage in for the guy who looks like he’s going to be just a mid-life-crisis-fling. Oh, I hope not!
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October 28, 2010 8:37pm
Johnboy

Does not the Qu,ran say “blessed be the dung of the camel for it cooketh many an Infidel goose.”
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October 28, 2010 8:39pm
Johnboy

Who’s office does Pete crap in then Shunda? 🙂
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October 28, 2010 8:41pm
Redbaiter

“Are you out there, Pete”

Oh noooo… Ssshhhhhhh..

Just thinking to day what an improvement it was not having his utterly nowhere non comprehending six of one half a dozen of the other limp wristed go nowhere socialist drivel to skirt around. 7000 posts of unyielding support for the commie status quo. Nausea inducing crap. Please don’t come back.
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October 28, 2010 8:54pm
Redbaiter

“In short, no. It’s the fact that you’re a kool-aid drinking fool who lives in a world of delusional feel-good assertions and fantasy driven denial.”

..and that’s putting it mildly.
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October 28, 2010 8:57pm
Johnboy

Maybe you have hurt him so deeply Red that he has buggered off over the ditch to Julia’s socialist paradise along with Maggie/Magpie?
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