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joana

Dime..Big Bruv…I saw it [video re moronic women] on winds of jihad..astonishingly ridiculous.
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October 15, 2010 1:56pm
Redbaiter

Hey Manolo, have you seen this example of Green lunacy on CR today?

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=2275#comments

And yet the bastards are still out there doing it…!!!!
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October 15, 2010 2:22pm
OTGO

Manolo – how do you even find that stuff? What was your search? Glacier huggers?
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October 15, 2010 2:24pm
backster

DIME:………”MAO Anyone see the clip of Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar storming off stage when Bill Oreilly was on the View? ”

The two women should have displayed the courage of their convictions by wearing Burkas, it would have improved their appearance too.
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October 15, 2010 2:26pm
RightNow

NSFW – most of us know what it stands for, and there is a website full of NSFW stuff at nsfw.COM

And then in the UK comes National Schools Film Week. So they put a website up for it, at nsfw.ORG

Of course nobody expects students and parents to get .ORG confused with .COM but I’m sure there’s going to be some good times for kids and parents alike up ahead.
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October 15, 2010 2:49pm
MikeNZ

Falafulu Fisi (653) Says:
October 15th, 2010 at 9:16 am

Good points Fala

It looks like all Obama’s pressure to gain him something to warrent the Nobel peace prize before he actually did anything worth while i s being scuppered by his mates in the PA!

http://insidethemiddleeast.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/13/to-recognize-or-not-to-recognize/
Arab Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, told CNN that in a phone conversation Wednesday with Mahmoud Abbas the Palestinian president assured him there was no intention to recognize Israel a Jewish state.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9IQ41MG0?docId=D9IQ41MG0

He claimed the Palestinians have refused to declare an end to their conflict with Israel, even under a peace deal, suggesting that further demands for territorial concessions could follow.

However, an official in the prime minister’s office disputed Yaalon’s take on the matter, noting that Netanyahu, who leads the septet, had reiterated his goal of reaching peace within one year during a parliamentary speech on Monday.

“He believes firmly that if both sides show creativity and flexibility and are ready to take tough decisions, then peace is possible. But it has to be a two-way street. It can’t just be the Palestinians making demands and Israel making concessions,” said the official. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to respond to another minister’s public comments.

meanwhile
Afterdinnermint shows what a woos OB1 really is.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Hezbollah+chief+echoes+Iran+call+Israel+disappear/3665383/story.html
BEIRUT — Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah echoed Iran’s call on Wednesday for Israel to disappear, speaking during a mass rally in Beirut organised in honour of visiting Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

“President Ahmadinejad is right when he says Israel is illegitimate and should cease to exist,” Nasrallah told an ecstatic crowd of tens of thousands via video link.

Ahmadinejad, who has called Israel a “tumour,” has denied the Holocaust and repeatedly said the Jewish state is “doomed to be wiped off the map.”

As recently as last month, he said the people of the Middle East are “capable of removing the Zionist regime” from the world scene.

Chanting “death to America” and “death to Israel,” Hezbollah supporters turned out en masse in the southern suburb of Beirut they control to welcome Ahmadinejad, whose country is a major financial, military and ideological supporter of their militant Shiite group.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=191288
Sources in Jerusalem said the visit demonstrates that Lebanon – thanks to Hizbullah – has turned into an Iranian client state firmly in the axis of extreme countries that support terrorism and are opposed to peace.

The US administration slammed Ahmadinejad’s visit to Lebanon on Wednesday, suggesting it threatens the stability of the small, religiously fragmented country.
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October 15, 2010 3:28pm
RightNow

A story I missed related to the Chilean miners: mistresses and wives coming face to face over who gets the compensation while their men are trapped:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/chile/7978509/Mistresses-and-wives-clash-over-trapped-Chilean-miners.html

“One miner has four women fighting over him in an effort to claim compensation offered to the families of those facing between three to four months underground until a rescue shaft can reach them”
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October 15, 2010 3:41pm
OctagonGrappler

I am opening a bottle of 1996 Ch Latour tonite if anyone is keen lol.
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October 15, 2010 6:06pm
wat dabney

Redbaiter,

If you were advocating someone like Ron Paul I could understand, whether I agreed or not. Because Paul has laid out an intellectual position pretty clearly. There’s something you can point to.

But Palin? When has she ever got beyond meaningless platitudes about smaller government (and all the while making Alaska the number one state for political pork spending)?

Surely there are some articles on the Internet or interviews on Youtube you can recommend so we can understand why you “intensely admire” her?

This is a popular blog remember, so while I may be too dim to appreciate her qualities there are plenty of other people who may benefit…
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October 15, 2010 7:23pm
Redbaiter

Wat you must be real dim. I told you. You had your chance. I don’t run errands for chicken shit liberals who dodge debates.
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October 15, 2010 7:32pm
Luc Hansen

Just to get my retaliation in first, I love Sarah Palin.

I will say it again: I love Sarah Palin.

Until she opens her mouth! Although that’s a slight hyperbole. She can be good in ~~sprints~~ soundbites, but she’s no stayer. She just lacks rhythm in her speaking. William Shatner gave a reading of her resignation speech that made it sound like a work of poetry – but her version, same words, was almost indecipherable.

The good news is that she can correct that, if she wished, through training, and then she would become even more of a force for what is called the right in the US.

And she’s is not thick. She proved that by abandoning the governor’s job for moneymaking – nothing wrong with her brain by that choice!

But I fear she will never master the detail required to be a credible POTUS candidate, but, hey, stranger things have happened,

Yes, indeed, I love Sarah Palin. I would especially love waking up beside her one sunny morning! I know just how to stop her talking long enough to have some fun!
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October 15, 2010 7:36pm
Luc Hansen

You guys should all tune into RadioNZ tomorrow morning and listen to Tim Flannery talk about his hopes that humans can overcome the challenges caused by anthropogenic climate change.

It will be interesting. I tend towards pessimism but maybe I spend too much time here. The consensus is that if we stopped emitting right now, completely, we will still face a minimum of 1.4C above pre-industrial times. This doesn’t include feedbacks, though, which are too uncertain, so it looks like we are already destined to 2C. I’m in the 4-6C rise by 2100, and that’s serious stuff for the world.

So we should all listen to Tim Flannery, and take heart. I hope.
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October 15, 2010 7:44pm
Lucia Maria

Luc,

I really, really, really hope that we are going experience a warming! Because the alternative that the signs are actually pointing to is a mini ice-age. Ice-ages tend to cause massive declines in civilisation as the ability to produce food reduces. So, here’s hoping you and those that think the earth is heating up are right!
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October 15, 2010 7:50pm
Pete George

Both scenarios will happen Lucia, it’s simply a matter of timing. The odds are none of us will be around long enough to be bothered by either.
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October 15, 2010 7:54pm
Jack5

Lucy Hansen at 7.36:

..Yes, indeed, I love Sarah Palin. I would especially love waking up beside her one sunny morning! I know just how to stop her talking long enough to have some fun!

In your dreams Lucy.

What would be Lucy’s silky words of seduction? Let’s guess: “If you don’t let me fuck you, you’re a racist.”
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October 15, 2010 7:56pm
Pete George

You could have started something there Jack.

Redbaiter: If you don’t give a fuck you’re a Progressive.
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October 15, 2010 7:57pm
dad4justice

pete george can I suggest that you and your computer have a bath together asap.
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October 15, 2010 8:00pm
Redbaiter

“You guys should all tune into RadioNZ”

I’d rather extract my fingernails with a pair of pliers.
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October 15, 2010 8:03pm
reid

“can I suggest that you and your computer have a bath together asap”

No it’s got a fuse in it D4J. Apparently toasters are good but that may be an urban myth. I think I’ll send an email to MythBusters.
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October 15, 2010 8:04pm
dad4justice

Dam it. Thanks reid.
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October 15, 2010 8:06pm
Shunda barunda

I am going to have
a
beer,
can I get anyone anything while I’m up?
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October 15, 2010 8:12pm
Jack5

Thanks Shunda.

I’ll have a Speights.

Would you mind also please bringing a glass of water for Lucy Hansen. It’s time again for his sedative.
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October 15, 2010 8:17pm
Shunda barunda

Sweet as, one Speights and a glass of kool-aid coming up.
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October 15, 2010 8:21pm
Redbaiter

“can I get anyone anything while I’m up?”

Get some mittens for Pete George.
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October 15, 2010 8:22pm
Luc Hansen

Re: Lucia Maria (421) Says:
October 15th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

Indeed Lucia, you are not far wrong. Arrhenius discovered the Greenhouse effect in 1896 when he was trying to find out why the planet was not cooling when the orbital settings indicated that in the long term, we would be headed for an ice age. The long term, by the way, is about 40,000 years. I don’t think it was an immediate problem, anyway, but now we have one which is in evidence all around the world, and some very deleterious effects will be felt in the not too distant future – like my child’s adult life.

Lucia, listen to Flannery and get some rationality. Say, have you asked the Pope what he thinks of it all?
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October 15, 2010 8:29pm
Luc Hansen

Jack5

Actually, I dream about Hillary – she’s got real power!
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October 15, 2010 8:32pm
Jack5

Re Lucy Hansen’s 8.32 post:

But how does she compare with Monica Lewinsky?

As Kipling might have said if he’d lived to be 160:

Hillary is just a woman
But a good cigar is a poke
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October 15, 2010 8:42pm
Banana Llama

I’m running out of Coronas Shunda barunda.

Here you go Pete George a gift from Redbaiter http://tiny.cc/g3u3j
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October 15, 2010 8:49pm
OctagonGrappler

http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/researchers-bust-the-drain-claim-20100927-15tpa.html

Just saw this. Interesting I always thought the brain drain was a myth used to bolster third world immigration.
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October 15, 2010 8:51pm
MikeNZ

I’m informed that Steve Crow’s BF and money man, John Carr an American again fali ed to appear in court today and have 6 convictions and fines.
http://www.spcs.org.nz/2010/john-m-carr-successfully-prosecuted-under-financial-reporting-act-1993/
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October 15, 2010 9:07pm
Luc Hansen

Talking about Hillary, I see that despite all the opprobrium heaped on me when I suggested the only way out for the US from Afghanistan is to engage the Taliban in talks, what do we see now? We see the US arranging protected transit for Taliban leaders to talk to Karzai. Soon, the US will declare victory and the Taliban will remain in control of Pashtun territory. But troops will remain to enable the pipeline, when it is built.

I hate to say I told you so, but…

And on RadioNZ today, Worldwatch reported on Ahmadinejad’s trip to Lebanon including referring to Hezbollah “waging war on Israel.” I’m sorry? Does reality escape them? Israel constantly attacks Lebanon. End of story. Hezbollah defends against Israel waging war on Lebanon. Yet we make Hezbollah the terrorist organisation? Just what is a populace meant to do is they are attacked? I would like to know just what acts determined that we place Hezbollah on a terrorist list.

These days, we would put the French Resistance on that list too. That’s how warped our thinking has become.
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October 15, 2010 9:18pm
reid

“Soon, the US will declare victory and the Taliban will remain in control of Pashtun territory. But troops will remain to enable the pipeline, when it is built.”

No that won’t happen Luc. The US can’t and won’t exit Afghanistan without dealing to the Pashtun problem, it simply won’t happen, whatever the media say and whatever the politicians publicly say.

The hard men and women who develop the actual real US policy and the military and intelligence divisions who carry it out will not allow it, even if there are no troops on the ground as per Obama’s directive.

Doing so simply exposes them to another 911 which won’t happen in their eyes, understandably.

OTOH, this is a real-politik question in which no starry-eyed idealism comes in, whether it come from hard men and women or from lefty idealists. What I suspect may eventually happen is they do a deal with the Taliban leadership whereby, in return for turning a blind eye to their drug trade, they expect not to be attacked.

The US’ attention is now on Iran. They recently promised something not yet revealed to Russia for she has suddenly turned a cold shoulder to her formerly close ally – this could only have come about from something the US offered up or gave way on.

Meanwhile the Pashtun ‘Question’ continues to bubble. Interesting times aren’t they.
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October 15, 2010 10:32pm
wat dabney

My Internet skills are obviously worse than I thought. I can’t find a single substantive and thoughtful article, speech or interview by Palin. All I can find are cheap populist platitudes measured by the yard and embarrassing interviews which frankly make my buttocks clench in their excruciating awfulness. And her political legacy of Alaska being the number one pork-barrel spending state is apparently something much to be admired.

To be honest her only achievement appears to be to make Nancy Pelosi look like a heavyweight.
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October 15, 2010 11:24pm
Redbaiter

“And her political legacy of Alaska being the number one pork-barrel spending state is apparently something much to be admired. ”

Wat- you’re an idiot for so many reasons, even if a leave aside your spineless inability to provide even the slightest substantiation for you views on Palin. That you’ve made the above claim so often is another one. You’re so full of mainstream media Stewart/ Hitchins /Daily Kos shit, and because it suits your sappy homosexual prejudices you never even attempt seek out any information that might contradict it.

The reason Alaska get so much money is because the government owns most of the state and more of Alaska than any other state. Look it up you stupid ignorant robotic moron.

Palin also rejected 55% of the stimulus money sent to the state and was censured by the Republican National Committee for doing so.

As soon as Palin took over as Governor she kicked the corrupt Republican establishment out and many of those she had removed were jailed for corruption. She sold the state’s Lear jet on Ebay.

The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, and took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack.

You’re full of shit and its no wonder you couldn’t front up with an argument because you’ve got nothing but smears sourced from a media that’s campaigned to destroy her, and relies on morons like you sucking it up. And you’ve sure done them proud there.
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October 16, 2010 12:37am
Redbaiter

“If you were advocating someone like Ron Paul I could understand, whether I agreed or not. Because Paul has laid out an intellectual position pretty clearly. There’s something you can point to. But Palin? When has she ever got beyond meaningless platitudes about smaller government (and all the while making Alaska the number one state for political pork spending)?”

Same old liberal double standard..

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Item 1
Congressman Ron Paul (TX-14) today introduced legislation to permanently extend the first-time homebuyer tax credit and to make the credit available to people whose homes have been destroyed by a natural disaster, such as a hurricane.

The legislation also makes a number of changes to existing tax credits in order to enhance their usefulness to victims of natural disasters. Specifically, this bill makes casualty loss deductions available to taxpayers who do not itemize, and makes it available to them for five years after the disaster.

Item 2
Republican congressmen derided the massive $410 billion spending bill approved by the House of Representatives last week, but some like Houston-area Rep. Ron Paul contributed to its size. Paul, of Lake Jackson, managed to insert 22 earmarks worth $96.1 million into the bill, leading the Houston delegation, according to an analysis of more than 8,500 congressionally-mandated projects in the bill by the Houston Chronicle

This isn’t the first time Congressman Paul has been caught with his hand in the federal cookie jar. In August of last year, a Wall Street Journal article highlighted Paul’s request for 65 earmarks costing nearly $400 million. This included $8 million for marketing shrimp, and $2.3 million for shrimp-fishing research.

Ron Paul has addressed his use of earmarks. He states that it is the job of congress to appropriate the money and unused money will be taken by the Fed. He said he just puts in the earmarks that his constituents request but votes against the bills when they reach the floor.

On Paul’s congressional Web site, it states: “As long as the Federal government takes tax money from [Paul’s] constituents, he will make every effort to return that money to his district.”

Some of the outrageous pork projects Paul voted to keep include $231,000 for the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association’s Urban Center; $129,000 for the “perfect Christmas tree project;” $300,000 for the On Location Entertainment Industry Craft Technician Training Project in California; $150,000 for the South Carolina Aquarium; and $500,000 for the National Mule and Packers Museum in California.

In defense of his support for earmarks, Rep. Paul took the if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em position, arguing that “I don’t think they should take our money in the first place. But if they take it, I think we should ask for it back.” This is a contradiction of Paul’s self-proclaimed “opposition to appropriations not authorized within the enumerated powers of the Constitution.”

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Yet Wat, buying into mainstream media hate campaign, only wants to point the finger at Palin while he holds Paul up as an example Sarah should follow suit on.

You need to wake up Wat and stop allowing your bigotry and ignorance to lead you down dead end streets.
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October 16, 2010 1:24am
wat dabney

you’re an idiot for so many reasons, even if a leave aside your spineless inability to provide even the slightest substantiation for you views on Palin.

Are you suggesting that the web is in fact full of interviews and pieces by Palin which demonstrate thoughtful intelligence and a sound grasp of economics and geo-politics?
Because I have to tell you, the media conspiracy is worse than even you suspected: Google is censoring every one of them.

Let’s lay our cards on the table here: you continually retreat into bluster and abuse every time you are challenged to provide these links because, as we both know, they simply don’t exist. This empty-headed woman has just enough smarts to parrot her second-hand populist platitudes, but probably not enough to walk and chew gum at the same time.

you’re so full of mainstream media Stewart/ Hitchins /Daily Kos shit

That would be the same Hitchins who wrote No One Left To Lie To about the Clinton’s, would it? How does that qualify as left-wing bias exactly?

“The reason Alaska get so much money is because the government owns most of the state and more of Alaska than any other state.”

That’s simply not true. She was up to her neck in pork-barrel spending before the wind changed and she was able to make more political capital by suddenly being against them:

‘But by 2000, into her second term, the city had hired a Washington, D.C., lobbyist, Steven Silver, a former aide to Stevens, then the ultimate rainmaker as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
“She was hungry for earmarks just like everybody else,” said Larry Persily, who worked at the Alaska state office in Washington, D.C., until earlier this year. “Everyone was feeding at the trough.”
Before she left office, Wasilla, with aid of the lobbyist and the blessing of Stevens and Rep. Don Young, got $27 million in earmarks, according to the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
During her fall 2006 campaign for governor, Palin appeared to embrace the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” even after Alaska had been held up for ridicule by McCain and others for what was seen as a wasteful boondoggle, a $233 million bridge that would replace ferry service connecting Gravina Island and its Ketchikan airport to mainland Ketchikan.’
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008154532_webpalin02m.html

As for your broadside against Ron Paul, you missed my point entirely. Go back and read what I wrote and you’ll see I didn’t defend him.
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October 16, 2010 9:02am
labrator

Don’t employ Michael William Mathews, 23, Harley David McKenzie, 20, or Phillip Ray Horrell, 24 all shearers from Tuatapere. They attack innocent animals for their perverse pleasure.
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October 16, 2010 9:20am
Viking2

An engineering feat to be proud of.

World’s longest tunnel drilled

Last updated 08:48 16/10/2010

Swiss engineers smashed through the last stretch of rock to create the world’s longest tunnel, sparking a national groundswell of elation over a costly, technically difficult project that has been 60 years in the making.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4240906/Worlds-longest-tunnel-drilled
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October 16, 2010 9:21am
Viking2

In a statement, Building and Construction Minister Maurice Williamson said he was not aware of any concerns about concrete slabs that had been raised before the earthquake.

Who would be surprised.
He was’nt even aware of leaky homes 10 years after their existence was made known.

Building Industry Federation chief executive Bruce Kohn said the report showed the quality of the Building Code.

The real problem was slabs that were not reinforced, which were allowed under the Building Code, he said.
However, he also raised the issue of unreinforced slabs. It cost only about $800 to reinforce an average slab with wire mesh, which was a small cost when building a house, he said.

What Kohn also failed to mention was the low quality of concrete used in the slabs. Minimum is 17.5 MPA which is what gets used. 20MPA should be very minimum with higher levels of cement as used in commercial and industrial should be required by the building code. Again a small price of around $150 to $200 per floor depending on what level of cement is used.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/canterbury-earthquake/4239869/Engineer-favours-piles-over-concrete-slabs
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October 16, 2010 9:30am
first time caller

What the hell is up with vodafone????
I’m sick of their crap coverage. Anyone else have problems in Wellies? Had crap coverage over the school holidays out of town too.
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October 16, 2010 9:35am
Pauleastbay

Wat

In Palins positive column- good tits and legs, I just wouldn’t want them leading the free world.

Looking forward to you pissing into the wind trying make any traction with an insane person here today
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October 16, 2010 9:51am
hj

Raids accused tell their stories in new book

Ms Morse, who is also a librarian and archivist, says she compiled it so there would be a public account of the stories of those whose homes were raided.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/59625/raids-accused-tell-their-stories-in-new-book

she wouldn’t have helped edit wikipedia would she?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_Zealand_anti-terror_raids

Wikipedia needs a new format for controversial issues with side by side presentations rather than cooperative editing?

Many Māori tribal leaders signed a treaty with the British, Treaty of Waitangi, so that the modern geo-political entity that is New Zealand was established by partial consent. However, the Māori language translation of the Treaty of Waitangi which they signed is worded ambiguously and does not fully match the English version. The treaty process gave British citizenship to the ‘native’ population. However, the British settlers ignored the Treaty of Waitangi and through illegal acts of colonisation and war Maori lost 95% of their land and resources from the 1850s through to the 1970s which resulted in the large scale socio-economic marginalization of the vast majority of Maori.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples
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