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October 8, 2010 5:46am by David Farrar

General Debate 08 October 2010

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krazykiwi

joana – Nein, ich nicht 🙂 Mais je parle un peu français. Why do you ask?
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October 8, 2010 10:28pm
Hurf Durf

Meh. Mandela did fuck all other than blow some stuff up and sit in a jail cell for it for 40 years. If anyone deserves credit for dismantling Apartheid, it’s Botha, De Klerk and the slightly-reasonable ANC who realised blowing up coppers for another 40 years wasn’t gonna hack it who did. Mandela was the cuddly public face, leagues more acceptable than Zuma and the other Umkhonto nutjobs.

Of course, that’s not even getting into the realms of difference between destruction of private property and “inciting to disrupt state power,” though I wouldn’t expect you to understand it.

Still, nice of the Nobel Committee to get their act together even if it did take them seventy years.
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October 8, 2010 10:30pm
Banana Llama

Requesting backup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QVzKihKiYI&feature=aso
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October 8, 2010 10:41pm
Luc Hansen

hurf, you must be so sorry to see apartheid dismantled. Were you even born then?
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October 8, 2010 10:45pm
joana

KK je parle un peu francais..plus a little Deutsch. I learned some German years ago plus went to a few classes earlier this year..if all goes to plan will go back to classes next year..I love the language but not the country’s history. You mentioned reunification…I always recall Maggie thatcher’s response.. ”Oh no here they go again..We defeated them twice but here they go again.” they are the dominant force in the EU..France is increasingly a puppet.
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October 8, 2010 10:48pm
Hurf Durf

Nah. I can just put some perspective on and recognise that Mandela and Xiaobo are different in the same way that the Northern Ireland and the Sri Lanka Crises were both different. I know, it’s so haaaaaaaaaaaaaaard to be able to do this.

Also re-read

If anyone deserves credit for dismantling Apartheid, it’s Botha, De Klerk and the slightly-reasonable ANC who realised blowing up coppers for another 40 years wasn’t gonna hack it who did.

Then crawl up my arse before you second-guess how I feel about things.
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October 8, 2010 10:51pm
krazykiwi

joana – My French is good enough for short-term business or leisure survival in France.. and only so long as I’m not called on to explain advanced algebra or to debate with a lawyer. re Germany it’s interesting to watch the EU’s lazy socialist countries start to look to productive Germany to bail them out. Socialism ends in bondage and a ceding of sovereignty, yet it’s power hungry proponents simply dress it up in new, fashionable clothes and re-sell it.. as the America people are discovering.
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October 8, 2010 10:58pm
Luc Hansen

Yes, indeed, Hurf

Botha et al deserve their credit in the same way as Hitler deserves his credit for losing the war. As losing then saved many, many lives. The same can be said for Botha, but the indigenous Africans saved themselves and don’t need to thank any white folks for that – least of all the murdering, racist scum who defended their stolen privileges for so long.

It’s just so not haaaaaaaaaaaaard to second guess how YOU feel about things. Problem is, for you, you were born a couple of centuries too late!!
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October 9, 2010 1:14am
Hurf Durf

but the indigenous Africans saved themselves and don’t need to thank any white folks for that

Does that mean the Springbok Tour protestors have to shut up forever now?

You’re flailing, Luc.
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October 9, 2010 2:03am
Pete George

joana at 6:43 pm

Anyone want to take bets on how many more Singhs there are out there.???.What is with the labour party and Indian crooks?? How many of these crooks are going to come out of the wood work before the election/ I would say this Singh is the tip of the iceberg.

Why don’t you take bets on how many Browns dine out on the ratepayer, how many Williams piss in public, or how many Banks are involved in teenage alcohol deaths.

Or maybe you are just making prejudiced assumptions based on race and politics.
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October 9, 2010 7:32am
jaba

why oh why has Pita Sharples come out and called for Paul Henry to be sacked
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October 9, 2010 7:50am
Pete George

Paul Thomas makes a valid point:

Why is it that the broad left, led by the union movement, which is so resistant to people being sacked for non-performance or incompetence, is so quick to demand the dismissal of people who say things they don’t like?

I think the suspension and a return to a more considered role for Henry is appropriate, there will no doubt be plenty of ongoing scrutiny.

But I hope TVNZ has a damn hard look at their attitudes. They don’t come anywhere near being representative of NZ, they have lowered themselves to pandering to a sometimes ugly demographic. We’ll have to see if they can lift themselves. Otherwise they should change their name to something that describes themselves better.
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October 9, 2010 8:01am
joana

KK Intelligence is declining in Germany because of muslim immigration..the Turks and the like..I agree re socialism..it is like islam in that it does not require its adherents to think..They talk and think in slogans and catch phrases..I recall a friend influenced by communism in the NZ unis , trying to get us , the rest of her work colleagues interested in MAO’s little red book..just slogans..empty one’s at that.
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October 9, 2010 8:40am
Pete George

“They talk and think in slogans and catch phrases”

Most religions are like that.
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