General Debate 05 October 2010

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Murray

Ta dah.
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October 5, 2010 8:08am
Inventory2

Show off!
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October 5, 2010 8:09am
All_on_Red

Does being born in NZ to a Fijian Indian immigrant give the same cultural and spiritual connection to NZ as possessed by the son born to a member of a Nga Puhi hapu?
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October 5, 2010 8:10am
Murray

How about the 7th and 8th generation people whose families littlerally built this country and spent generations fighting to defend it All, do they get a dog in this hunt at all?
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October 5, 2010 8:15am
Yvette

All_on_Red – it would apparently depend on which one was born first.
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October 5, 2010 8:15am
Inventory2

Can anyone else see Joris de Bres’ double standard?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/10/joris-double-standard.html

If Hone Harawira’s “white motherf*#kers” comment didn’t breach the Human Rights Act, the neither did Paul Henry’s.
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October 5, 2010 8:16am
Falafulu Fisi

I responded to kiwiblog leftist resident & opinionated airhead Luc Hansen here from yesterday’s thread.
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October 5, 2010 8:17am
Murray

Hawawira was deliberately offensive, Henry’s actually had a point. Appointing a minority for minoritys sake leaves the greater portion of the population out in the cold.

Hawawira is brown, Henry is white, therefore Henry is a racist. QED. Hope that helps Inv.
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October 5, 2010 8:23am
Guy Fawkes

I just love Racism. I do NOT practice it myself.

It is entirely natural. To deny it, is to deny the human condition. Radical Islamists denounce in their teachings everything that the Western Society has become.

They not only denounce us, incite hatred, but actually endorse violence, against our innocents, then rejoice on Internet Broadcasts at their evil premeditated victories, and then blame everyone else for those despicable actions.

Then we get told not to react, and to embrace multi-culturalism, and forgive the perpetrators.

The Lefties are seriously fucked up in their thinking if they believe that is truly sustainable over time.
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October 5, 2010 8:23am
Pete George

Appointing a minority for minoritys sake leaves the greater portion of the population out in the cold.

How do you warm the hearts of “the greater portion of the population”? Start with choosing male or female, and explain from there.
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October 5, 2010 8:25am
Chris2

It would have been better for Henry to say “isn’t it time we stopped appointing lawyers to the position”
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October 5, 2010 8:30am
Rodders

This morning, Paul Henry has apologised on air. He deserves credit for that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/4197611/Henry-on-air-apology-I-was-wrong
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October 5, 2010 8:31am
3-coil

I am bemused by the inconsistency shown by the Race Relations Commissioner’s response to Paul Henry’s comments yesterday. Joris de Bres demands that Henry should be dismissed from his job at TVNZ, yet he defended Hone Harawira’s “white motherf*ckers” slur as “just Hone speaking his mind”.

It seems that Joris can only find offence with white people’s comments – surely a racist position to adopt? Or is he demanding a higher standard of conduct from a television presenter than he expects from an elected member of NZ Parliament?

The hand-wringing bleaters like Doris seem to be getting more and more precious with time too. I remember Holmes once interviewing the Maori activist who vandalised the America’s Cup – who dismissed the opinions of (then) Race Relations Conciliator Rajen Prasad as irrelevant as he was “just a Punjab”. Official reaction? – zilch.

It is the blatant double-standards that make the Race Relations Commission a laughable sham. It is pretenders like the biased de Bres who should be dismissed.
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October 5, 2010 8:32am
Pete George

He’s done a very fine job as Govenor General and I am sincerely sorry if I seemed disrespectful to him.

That was not what I intended and I certainly didn’t intend to sound racist. It was wrong of me to ask the questions that I did.

He avoided explaining what his intention was.
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October 5, 2010 8:35am
krazykiwi

How about the 7th and 8th generation people whose families littlerally built this country and spent generations fighting to defend it All, do they get a dog in this hunt at all?

That would be me, and no, I’ll be paying Maori elite for the use of our beaches within 12 months.
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October 5, 2010 8:36am
Yvette

“Mr de Bres said Henry often said things to challenge or shock people “but this one was off the planet”.
“What he was saying was that if you were an Indian New Zealander and you were born here, you went to school here, you went to university here, you practised law here, you became a judge, you became an ombudsman and you became a Governor-General, that a key presenter on national television still thinks you don’t look like or sound like a New Zealander.” ” – {Herald} stuff

Henry has apologised on Breakfast this morning, personally to the Governor General but makes the distinction between ‘hurt’ and ‘offence’, which sort of buggers be Bres, because I would take it from what Henry says now, is that he is sorry that his remark may have reflected unacceptably on the Governor General but he still believes its content.
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October 5, 2010 8:39am
Mr Magister

Funny thing is, I thought Henry’s apology was to the GG, but the headline on NZ Herald this morning (Henry Apology Rejected) shows the apology was actually to Joris de Bres.

Well it must have been, because the so-called rejection comes from Joris…
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October 5, 2010 8:44am
Mr Magister

And another thing, when are they going to select a Race Relations Commissioner who is more like a New Zealander?
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October 5, 2010 8:46am
dad4justice

Is Joris de Bres a New Zealander?. I would hate to topple the pathetic temple of political correctness that rules this lost nation. The GG was an ex family court judge who was mates with Miss Klark.
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October 5, 2010 8:47am
Banana Llama

That bleating mutton head Joris de bres really gets my gears going.
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October 5, 2010 8:48am
Yvette

Mr de Bres : “When you say, ‘I’m sorry if I offended you’, it makes it sound as though the person who was offended is at fault. ” – {Herald} stuff

Is de Bres saying Henry is illiterate?
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October 5, 2010 8:49am
All_on_Red

“How about the 7th and 8th generation people”

Yes, they do. I’m part Nga Puhi but on the white side we came here in 1839. My parents and their parents etc have been immersed in what it is to be a NZer all their lives.
I just feel that even though someone was born here, they are still subject and influenced by the culture imbued to their parents.(food, religion, family values etc) That makes them multi cultural whereas Nga Puhi or 5th gen NZers have had just the one cultural input.
Does this mean there are degrees of “real”- probably
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October 5, 2010 8:53am
Pete George

de Bres rejected yesterday’s Claytons apology before Henry re-apologised this morning.

who is more like a New Zealander?

Define what is “more like a New Zealander”.
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October 5, 2010 8:54am
Inventory2

@ 3-Coil; my point exactly. Either Hone Harawira breached the Human Rights Act or he didn’t. de Bres has suggested that he didn’t, yet he continues to castigate Henry. And yet by the precedent de Bres set with Harawira, surely Henry cannot have breached the Act either.
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October 5, 2010 8:54am
eszett

# Rodders (109) Says:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am

This morning, Paul Henry has apologised on air. He deserves credit for that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/4197611/Henry-on-air-apology-I-was-wrong

Indeed he does. Paul Henry apologising!!!!! The fact that he apologised twice within 24 hours at least shows that he realises what he has done.

Unlike many other commentators on this blog. Nothing like critising an off-the-cuff racist remark by a priviledged white male to bring out the ranting racists here.
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October 5, 2010 8:57am
dad4justice

The Henry saga highlights three major fault lines that need to be fixed, namely ;

1.Sell the pathetic sick joke TVNZ asap.
2.Obliterate the Human Rights commission ’cause it’s just another dumb white elephant.
3. We don’t need a parasitic GG doing sweet f all. President Burns has a ring to it.
4. Call Hone’s mum a black whatever.
5.Bring back Billy T.
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October 5, 2010 9:04am
Pete George

“How about the 7th and 8th generation people”

Does this mean there are degrees of “real”- probably

Yes. And it depends on who is making the judgement.

I know someone very well who has lived in NZ just over half their life, and apart from a bit of an accent they act and live as Kiwi as anyone.
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October 5, 2010 9:05am
MT_Tinman

The number of racist and sexist comments being made by in the name of anti-racism by (seemingly only) left wing tossers is staggering.

As a white male New Zealander I can assure you bastards we’re here to stay.

Live with it!
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October 5, 2010 9:06am
dad4justice

6. Pull the plug from the wall on petey gals troll farm.
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October 5, 2010 9:07am
RRM

Can I pour you another gin Dad? It’s never too early in the day!
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October 5, 2010 9:11am
alex Masterley

DFJ, Sir Anand was never on the family court bench. whether or not he was a friend of Helen Clark, who knows, as a freezing worker, lawyer, judge, ombudsman and GG Sir Anand has met alot of people in his career. Even me!
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October 5, 2010 9:15am
Banana Llama

If D4J has a problem with alcohol dependency do you think it’s appropriate to be making fun of him? what an asshole you are.
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October 5, 2010 9:18am
transmogrifier

The fact that Hone didn’t get criticized by the de Bres in a similar way just highlights still how inconsistent and backwards we are as a country with regards race relations. Now, I think de Bres’ position is a complete joke in the first place, but because it is there, at least be consistent and don’t fall into the trap of assuming that racism by minorities is somehow more acceptable than racism directed at minorities.

The sooner we start treating everyone the same, the better off we will be.
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October 5, 2010 9:24am
joana

3-coil and others good posts…De Bres is a hypocrite…haven’t we seen enough hypocrisy lately? Funny how hypocrites find it so difficult to see their own hypocrisy? One rule for us..one rule for them…Ain’t socialism grand?
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October 5, 2010 9:51am
Chris2

Mr Magister @ 8:46am – Brilliant comment, really made me smile. It deserves wider circulation!
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October 5, 2010 10:00am
grumpyoldhori

Fuck, yank politicians can be off the fucking wall, now they have some dumb cow that their fuckwit tea baggers has put in as a candidate for the US senate.
She wants wanking banned, that would upset a few tea bagging types as a good bang would be a new experience for them.

Oh, and the dumb cow spent a week in the city of Oxford now she is saying she attended Oxford university.
Heh, she will make a fine tea bagging senator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYga2pKx_WQ
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October 5, 2010 10:27am
nickb

how does it feel to be a fringe loony sillyoldtwat?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63I0FB20100419

80% of Americans distrust federal government….
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October 5, 2010 10:40am
MikeNZ

3-coil (757) Says:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:32 am
on the button.

Yes lets celebrate anand as a kiw.
But the minority has had one so lets have one for the majority.
But that’s not the PC way is it?
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October 5, 2010 10:54am
Pete George

But the minority has had one so lets have one for the majority.

What’s the bet this is someone else who cannot or will not try and describe “the majority”?

To some people “the majority” seems to be a distortion of “not the minority being dissed at the moment”.
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October 5, 2010 11:16am
slightlyrighty

Have just returned from Oriental Bay with my 2 kids. Had a wonderful time save for some twat with a loudhailer who was campaigning for local body elections.

I saw his detailed car and found it was Bryan Pepperill. Typical of him, thought I, a loud annoying sound that no one pays attention to.
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October 5, 2010 11:27am
bereal

Great news,
Police make two arrests in the South Auckland vote rigging scandal.
More arrests to follow.
“Find their holes. Smoke them out. Get them running. Bring them to Justice.”
Congratulations to New Zealand Police for taking this abuse seriously.
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October 5, 2010 12:06pm
bereal

Question is, who were these mongrels trying to get elected??
What would be a suitable punishment ?
If they turn out to be immigrants, should they be deported back to their origional hole ?
Do they deserve name supression ?
I recall one sikh candidate saying that these poor people were only guilty of not
speaking English.
Has this type of offence happened before in New Zealand I cant recall any previous
similar matter. It is a crime that has been imported. Send it back to the hole it came from.
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October 5, 2010 12:41pm
ciaron

What’s the bet this is someone else who cannot or will not try and describe “the majority”?

Well, what does the last census say? My money is on whitey
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October 5, 2010 12:59pm
MyNameIsJack

When will these muslims stop killing people?
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October 5, 2010 1:16pm
krazykiwi

A couple of Wellington fishermen find a 2.6m great white shark in their fishing net. The article’s closing paragraph reads:

Under the Fisheries Act it is illegal to hunt, kill or harm a great white shark within the New Zealand Exclusive Economic Zone

Note to self. When being attacked must remind shark that I’m bound by law not to cause him/her any harm, and/or suggest we take our quarrel a bit further out to sea.
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October 5, 2010 1:37pm
MyNameIsJack

And yet more Islamist terror.
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October 5, 2010 2:25pm
bereal

Hey, my name is jack.
Are you trying to make some sort of a point mate ?
If so, why not just spit it out ?
I bet you were cheering along with all your mates when the Lockerbie bomber was sent back to
Libya.
One of your heros ?
If you are trying to make some point its a pretty pathetic effort.
Maybe you could add the suffix, off ,to your name.
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October 5, 2010 3:40pm
krazykiwi

Plan for blondes-only island resort. DPF has a thing for gingas… a competitive opportunity perhaps?
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October 5, 2010 4:17pm
Hagues

What happened to the story on the arrests for electoral fruad?
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October 5, 2010 4:59pm
shady

Both accused have name suppression. Phew DPF! Did you remove it in time?
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October 5, 2010 5:01pm
Inventory2

@ Hagues; I guess it has to do with the accused getting name suppression.
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October 5, 2010 5:01pm
Murray

Oblique reference to two guys who may not have been born in NZ possibly being arrested for maybe having diddled the voting papers in some election and who according to Andrew Little may or may not be invloved with a party or orgaisation he may or may not be a member of.

See these supression laws work FINE!
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October 5, 2010 5:02pm
Murray

Anyone actually SEEN this supression order? Or do we delete free speech based on a rumor these days?
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October 5, 2010 5:03pm
Rex Widerstrom

I’m sure DPF would have got much more in a war chest to defend himself against naming those worms than did Whale. Makes me want to start a blog just so as to be able to name them… if ever there was a case worth fighting, exposing those two (who are gaming the system by appealing the refusal of suppression, thus automatically gaining temporary supression till the election is almost over) is it.
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October 5, 2010 5:04pm
Inventory2

Here ’tis Murray

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=183505
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October 5, 2010 5:06pm
Hagues

So by removing the post has DPF just confirmed that the person named in that post is the person that got name suppression? Why else remove it!
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October 5, 2010 5:07pm
bereal

What is the name of this excuse of a judge who granted these mongrels suppression.

This disgrace of a judge needs exposing.
What possible reason can he have?

Let me guess. He needs to inform his elderly mother in the Punjab before she reads it in the paper.
Or, he has some rort of a business that may be adversly affected. What a joke this fool of a judge is.

This election needs to be abandoned and started again from scratch.
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October 5, 2010 5:07pm
Inventory2

Likewise Rex, although I think that there is already abundant information in the media about who this chap is. I just want to know whether, when the police seized his laptop last week, they found any photographs of Phil Goff or Len Brown with any strikingly attractive Indian women by the name of Choudary.
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October 5, 2010 5:09pm
Murray

You’re killing me Inv.

And for the pedantic thats a report of a supression order, not a supression order.
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October 5, 2010 5:10pm
Murray

Have they been ordered to withdraw their campaign material?

Or is John Banks using it?
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October 5, 2010 5:11pm
joana

Good posts Bereal.
Key is also a hypocrite..in the night I saw a rerun of the Henry /Key interview..All chummy and friendly..no sign of Key being ”taken aback.” Henry was going on about them being friends..see you tonight etc..I want the GG job myself…Key was smiling and laughing..all blokey like…His spin doctors must have developed the ”taken aback” bit later…
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October 5, 2010 5:40pm
dad4justice

Key is a well-trained liar.
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October 5, 2010 5:44pm
reid

Interesting article in the Atlantic about a poll saying most US troops now support more foreign aid:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/10/military-officers-call-for-more-foreign-aid/63957/

…89 percent of active duty and retired officers believe it’s crucial to emphasize development and diplomacy initiatives in addition to military strength.

The participants said, among other things, that keeping America safe shouldn’t just be a job for the military: National security is about development and humanitarianism, too. The poll reveals a shifting mentality within the typically gun-ho U.S. military that began with the 2006 “surge” in Iraq.

the poll reflects the changing attitudes of a military that has seen near universal overseas experience. The deployment of so many American soldiers since the 2003 invasion of Iraq has exposed almost the entire military to overseas conflict.

“Now, throughout the armed forces, there’s a more widespread understanding of information that once only experts understood,” explains Dobbins.

That information boils down to this: the military can’t secure a society alone. While military deployment can provide opportunities for change in conflict states, “the changes that make the deployment worthwhile are those that are brought about by non-military means, by people by whose expertise lies outside the military,” Dobbins says. The military can impose a certain degree of security, but can’t maintain stability without development-based civilian skills.

Yes and those of us who follow these things know that the reason Bush failed in Iraq is because of his inability to solve that country’s political instability, and that was his job, not the military’s.

Interesting result though isn’t it. After all, if any would understand the true nature of the threat and the actual effective solution that would actually in fact work instead of being counter-productive, it would be these guys, on the front line, wouldn’t it.
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October 5, 2010 7:10pm
Redbaiter

“the reason Bush failed in Iraq is because of his inability to solve that country’s political instability,”

What a joke. With a multitude of bitter subversives like you expounding anti American propaganda flat out like a lizard drinking its amazing he achieved what he did.
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October 5, 2010 7:14pm
reid

RB, you obviously don’t understand how to win wars and successfully occupy other countries.

It’s true. Bush did fail at his job. The military had their job, they succeeded. Bush failed at his. Of course, with a VP like Cheney and a Defence Minister like Rumsfeld who had advisors like Wolfowitz, I’m sure it wasn’t all his fault.

However, it’s true, he did fail. He didn’t do his job, which is for any President trying what he took on, to win the political battle.

That’s what’s stuffed them, and continues to.
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October 5, 2010 7:18pm
Pete George

It isn’t anti American, it’s pro common sense and pro the Americans coming to realise that brute strength and ignorance solve little. It’s complimenting the US for figuring out what works. The only thing it could be anti is boof head tactics.
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October 5, 2010 7:23pm
Redbaiter

“RB, you obviously don’t understand how to win wars and successfully occupy other countries.”

You’d know that how? By sitting at a computer and blindly sucking up the outrageous propaganda of every subversive Soros funded outlet out there?? Give me a fucking break.
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October 5, 2010 7:24pm
Redbaiter

“It isn’t anti American,”

Written any more cowardly complaint letters lately you contemptible hypocrite??
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October 5, 2010 7:25pm
reid

“You’d know that how?”

Because as soon as I pointed out a fact of geo-strategic history, you immediately got all emotional and thought I was attacking the US.

That’s how.

Your lack of cogent counter-argument was yet another give-away.
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October 5, 2010 7:27pm
Pete George

You’re lying, again. You have no basis to make that accusation and it’s totally false.
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October 5, 2010 7:27pm
Redbaiter

“and thought I was attacking the US.”

Nope. Betraying the West.
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October 5, 2010 7:29pm
reid

“Betraying the West.”

So it’s me against everyone else in the entire western hemisphere, is it.

I see.

D’ya feel lucky, punk?

Well, do ya?

Of course that’s just bravado, hiding my fear. I don’t really feel lucky, myself. Given these odds. Crikey.
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October 5, 2010 7:30pm
Pete George

You recently posted…

Especially if it was Pete George who makes a specialty of calling everyone a liar without any kind of reason.

…and have just done exactly what you accused, proving that you are the hypocrite.
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October 5, 2010 7:31pm
Redbaiter

“So it’s me against everyone else in the entire western hemisphere, is it.”

Hemisphere??? You’re displaying the kind of obfuscation I expect from PG. The West is not defined strictly by geographical boundaries.
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October 5, 2010 7:33pm
reid

OK, so I’m a traitor to the “west.”

Would it be more interesting to talk about the definition of “the west” or to talk about how Bush really failed big-time and that’s why Iraq is a shithole?
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October 5, 2010 7:34pm
Redbaiter

“Would it be more interesting to talk about the definition of “the west” or to talk about how Bush really failed big-time and that’s why Iraq is a shithole?”

Nope. I’ve better things to do than bandy words with someone so sadly misinformed and simultaneously so hopelessly infected with BDS.
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October 5, 2010 7:37pm
reid

“I’ve better things to do than bandy words with someone so uninformed and simultaneously so hopelessly infected with BDS.”

I don’t know what to say…

What’s BDS?
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October 5, 2010 7:38pm
Redbaiter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Derangement_Syndrome
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October 5, 2010 7:40pm
reid

So facts don’t matter then?

So far:

Reid: that poll, a proposition debatable with known history

RB: amusing commentary, no facts yet – TBC.
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October 5, 2010 7:46pm
Redbaiter

Nite Reid.
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October 5, 2010 7:52pm
bereal

Reid, no doubt in your mind Obama is doing his job right. Right?
How come a genius like you was unaware of BDS ?
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October 5, 2010 8:42pm
bereal

Also. Reid.
What r u getting at when you say,” Bush failed bigtime, thats why Iraq is a shithole.” ?
Is that your origional effort or are you quoting some other genius ?
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October 5, 2010 8:47pm
reid

“Reid, no doubt in your mind Obama is doing his job right. Right?”

Au contrare bereal. Serious doubts. Very serious. As you’ll see, if you read any comment I’ve ever written about him.

The reason I was in favour of him over McCann during the Presidential election threads, was he was a superior candidate to President Lieberman, who was the real candidate on the other side.

You see, in the last twenty or so years, for US President, we’ve had first an arsehole (Bush 41) then a pervert (Clinton) then an idiot (Bush 43) and now? Well, let’s see. Put it this way. Confidence is not high.

“How come a genius like you was unaware of BDS?”

Fuck I wish I was bereal for then I’d be a multi-millionaire and living on the Italian Riviera. But you seem to think I’ve intentionally mis-represented things in some way and I assure you I haven’t intentionally, at all.

Every I said above, was based on recent history as it has played out before our eyes. Take anything I said and deny it by showing that reality is not like that. Get really specific, if you like.
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October 5, 2010 8:56pm
reid

“Is that your origional effort”

Yes. Quite good, wasn’t it.
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October 5, 2010 9:02pm
Hurf Durf

No Pressure was on Beck tonight. Meanwhile, I haven’t heard a peep about it from the NZ media. If it weren’t for the internet, I never would have heard of it.

It’s almost as though the media here sympathise with 10:10.

Couldn’t be, surely?
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October 5, 2010 9:22pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand heading towards a double dip recession. Cool.
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October 5, 2010 9:36pm
Fletch

Hurf, I have heard people say that the tradition news media will die out; there may be some truth in that. A lot more people are learning that the media are seriously slanted in their reporting, and go online to find out both sides of the story. What with bloggers and so many people having video on their phones, it’s not as possible for the media to get away with untruths as it used to be. People who are at an event can tape what happens and have it posted quickly on the internet to back up what they say, and the MSM cannot refute that.
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October 5, 2010 9:55pm
Fletch

ps, it’s finally here! The “hitler video” version of the 10:10 propaganda stunt.

Anyone who thought Love, Actually was a bit crap, please leave

LOL!
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October 5, 2010 10:02pm
reid

Fletch the MSM has resources and established audience though, and that’s more powerful if the right forces are applied to their strengths.

General Von Manstein was the greatest general in WWII greater than Zhukov. Why? Because he directed the campaign in France and thus proved himself a brilliant attacking general but more importantly, successfully directed the Wehrmacht withdrawal from Russia.

Successful, delayed retreat is the most difficult military operation. This is what the MSM now faces, and its how each handle that.

BTW, Murdoch’s wall? What a disaster. A lesson in what not to do.
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October 5, 2010 10:06pm
krazykiwi

Brrrrrr ….

Europe – Coldest winter in 1,000 years on its way

After the record heat wave this summer, Russia’s weather seems to have acquired a taste for the extreme. Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.

The change is reportedly connected with the speed of the Gulf Stream, which has shrunk in half in just the last couple of years. Polish scientists say that it means the stream will not be able to compensate for the cold from the Arctic winds. According to them, when the stream is completely stopped, a new Ice Age will begin in Europe.

So far, the results have been lower temperatures: for example, in Central Russia, they are a couple of degrees below the norm.

“Although the forecast for the next month is only 70 percent accurate, I find the cold winter scenario quite likely,” Vadim Zavodchenkov, a leading specialist at the Fobos weather center, told RT. “We will be able to judge with more certainty come November. As for last summer’s heat, the statistical models that meteorologists use to draw up long-term forecasts aren’t able to predict an anomaly like that.”

In order to meet the harsh winter head on, Moscow authorities are drawing up measures to help Muscovites survive the extreme cold.

Most of all, the government is concerned with homeless people who risk freezing to death if the forecast of the meteorologists come true. Social services and police are being ordered to take the situation under control even if they have to force the homeless to take help.

Moscow authorities have also started checking air conditioning systems in all socially important buildings. All the conditioners are being carefully cleaned from the remains of summer smog.
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October 5, 2010 11:14pm
joana

And this mornings huge joke…Mahattir the musical…I look forward to the sequels…
Mahattir the thug
Mahattir the crook
Mahattir the liar
Mahattir the racist
Mahattir the brutal dictator
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October 6, 2010 7:58am
joana

This morning’s headline on Winds of Jihad…
”Europe in the grip of Islamic terror; Wilders on trial for telling the truth.
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