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September 9, 2010 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 9 September 2010

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RichardX

Scott, What is the “special treatment to homosexuals” to which you refer?
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September 9, 2010 2:22pm
RightNow

MNIAJ “RightNow, in your entire cut n paste, the ONLY thing confirmed by Snopes is the authorship, not the content.”

So what?
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September 9, 2010 2:27pm
MyNameIsJack

So what? The content is bullfuckingshit.

As I pointed out in MY cut n paste, Reagan was the highest taxing President the US ever had, and yet your useful idiot claims Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government.
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September 9, 2010 2:34pm
Pete George

Earthquake email advice ‘dangerous’

Apparently there have been more bogus emails circulating about what (not) to do in an earthquake. The Doug Copp theories have been widely discredited.

It’s also worth noting that the door frame is not a recommended safety zone.

During an earthquake:

* If you are inside a building, move no more than a few steps, drop, cover and hold
* If you are outside, move no more than a few steps, then drop, cover and hold
* If you are driving, pull over and stop
* If you are at the beach or near the coast, drop, cover and hold then move to higher ground immediately in case a tsunami follows the quake
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September 9, 2010 2:36pm
Zarchoff

Tonight Heather Roy will host her first ACT meeting in Wellington since she was dumped from the Deputy Leadership. If you want to hear what Heather has to say, come along to the Thistle Hotel, Mulgrave Street, Wellington from 6pm.
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September 9, 2010 2:38pm
RightNow

So MNIAJ, out of the whole thing you only refute that one sentence? Good to know.
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September 9, 2010 2:41pm
krazykiwi

I recon I can manage traffic risk while out on a training ride. I’m super cautious, more so if Sonny or MT_Tinman are about 😉

But the prospect of the road jumping a meter to the left and then back suddenly and repeatedly fills me with dread. While stop and drop is an option at home or work, it would be drop and then – eventually – stop for cyclists.
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September 9, 2010 2:44pm
MyNameIsJack

RightNow (1,293) Says:

September 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
So MNIAJ, out of the whole thing you only refute that one sentence? Good to know.

No, I have simply refudiated on more than you have proven. Care to try to PROVE any of the assertions are correct? Bet I can refudiate those, too.
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September 9, 2010 2:57pm
MyNameIsJack

kowtow (471) Says:

September 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Here’s a sad and disturbing article by Robert Fisk from A and L Daily on honour killings.

There is no such thing, there is murder.

He accuses Christians of said practise w/o any evidence. But he would do wouldn’t he?

Would he? Did you miss this bit?

In Jordan, women’s organisations say that per capita, the Christian minority in this country of just over five million people are involved in more “honour” killings than Muslims – often because Christian women want to marry Muslim men.
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September 9, 2010 3:01pm
RightNow

MNIAJ “Bet I can refudiate those, too” I double dare you, I’ve posted them, refudiate away little Palin wannabe.
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September 9, 2010 3:03pm
Scott

Richard X at 2:22 PM — the special treatment towards homosexuals that I referred to is that they are now a protected class of people whom we may not discriminate against by law. Indeed Stephanie Rice, an Olympic athlete in Australia, recently was vilified for just using the word faggot in a twitter about the South African rugby team. You can’t say anything bad about homosexuals etc etc.

That the left agrees with this we now take as read. That the National party, usually thought of as centre-right party with Conservative values, leaves the radical gay legislation in place would be surprising if it were not for the arguments I made previously. I don’t think many people in the National party particularly like the gay rights agenda. However they leave it untouched for the sake of a quiet life. They just don’t have conviction. Helen Clark at least had conviction. She was going to get gay rights legislation in place come what may. She took a big hit at the polls. But she was convicted about this issue.

Centre-right parties seem to be convicted about the need to stay in government. They are convicted about the economy. Apart from that they just roll with the previous government’s radical left legislation and leave it in place. That’s what they are doing with the anti-smacking legislation. Over 80% of New Zealanders don’t want it but it still stays in place. Why? Is it because National just wants a quiet life and to stay in power without rocking any boats?
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September 9, 2010 3:11pm
MyNameIsJack

No, you don’t get off that easy Mr CutNpaste; post your proofs of hsi claims, then I’ll refudiate those. You’re just another KrisK and MikeNZ clone, full of cut n paste jobs, but incapable of comprehension.

You see, when you made an appeal to the authority of Snopes, you seem to have missed the most important aprt – the author did not write a factual article, he wrote an opinion piece. You do understand the difference, don’t you?

Oh, you don’t. Shame that.
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September 9, 2010 3:13pm
RightNow

Haha MNIAJ – the snopes link was in the original article, I just pasted the whole thing. Been fun playing you, next.
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September 9, 2010 3:18pm
Pete George

the special treatment towards homosexuals that I referred to is that they are now a protected class of people whom we may not discriminate against by law.

What special legal treatment do homosexuals get? Do they pay less tax? Can they travel at 120kph? Can they marry someone while they are still married to someone else?

Ah, no, it seems that we’re not supposed to discriminate against them, the same as we can’t discriminate against a lot of other people, like Indians or Muslims or women or old people or…..
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September 9, 2010 3:23pm
wikiriwhis business

Socialism On The Move In America

BEWARE

The Livable Communities Act

Alarms are being raised over what probably is retiring Democrat Senator Christopher Dodd’s last major piece of legislation – the Livable Communities Act, which has been approved by the Senate Banking Committee and now is heading to the Senate floor – for its likely U.N. inspiration and goal of controlling people.

The plan would create a new federal bureaucracy, the Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities, armed with some $4 billion in federal grants, to pressure local communities into a more “green” development agenda

It’s a “socialist trap,” DeWeese said.

“The Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities would end up overseeing development in every community,” he said. “They say it’s voluntary, but it really isn’t. The $4 billion in grants will be used by radical green groups, who helped write it, to force your city council to comply. If your city says no to the pressure to take the grant money, the radical greens will tell your citizens that their city officials are losing them millions of dollars that is owed to the community. Then, when the council caves into the pressure and takes the money, it will force compliance. That is not voluntary, it is blackmail.”

Homeowners would end up paying exorbitant costs and losing control over their own homes, according to DeWeese.

“To get the money, a community must meet environmental standards,” he said.
“That requires houses to be equipped with new roofs, new windows, and efficient appliances. They did this last year in Oakland. It costs an estimated $35,000 to make a house comply with the environmental regulations. They say homeowners can’t sell their houses if they don’t meet these standards.”

Shaw warned of its Big Brother-type impact.

“It’s the application of new technological breakthroughs to control people,” he said. “Look at the new smart meters sweeping the nation.”

The devices are being marketed as methods for reducing electricity expenses, but Shaw points out that energy companies and bureaucrats end up controlling the temperature in private homes.

Shaw believes the legislation traces back to Agenda 21, the U.N.-sponsored environmental initiative revealed at the Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit in 1992. According to Shaw, Agenda 21 has three main goals: “1. Abolition of private property. 2. Education for global citizenship. 3. Control over human action.”

Shaw, whose organization was created to inform the public about Agenda 21, said, “It originated in the U.N. 178 nations have signed onto it, including the U.S. in 1992. It’s not a treaty, it’s a soft law agreement, so it doesn’t require treaty ratification. George H.W. Bush infused every federal department with sustainable development principles, and they’ve been followed by all three presidents since.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php…
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September 9, 2010 3:27pm
RichardX

Scott – I believe you cannot legally discriminate against anyone on the basis of sexual orientation. This is not ‘special treatment’ and they are no more a ‘protected class’ than any other section of society on this basis. Stepanie Rice would have had the same problems if she had used some other equally pejorative term.
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September 9, 2010 3:28pm
Redbaiter

“Stepanie Rice would have had the same problems if she had used some other equally pejorative term.”

Utter crap. Rice’s treatment shows exactly what we are up against when it comes to militant homosexuals. A determination to control speech and thought that should be completely rejected by any free and civilised community.

Nobody anywhere has any damn right not to be offended, and control of thought and speech with this objective is Orwellian garbage.
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September 9, 2010 3:31pm
Viking2

Luv offending those that wish to offend. Great sport. Abit like bully bashing. They can never take their own medicine.

As a matter of fact here’s one coming now.

Massey fights worst university ranking
By MARIKA HILL – The Manawatu Standard
Last updated 13:00 09/09/2010

Massey University has been ranked the worst university in the country, ranking lower than many polytechnics in terms of performance.

In figures released by the Tertiary Education Commission (TEC) yesterday, the university was listed as being bottom of the class across all four key measurement indicators.

However, the university hit back at the results, saying its high proportion of part time and distance learners took longer to complete qualifications.

Given that slimy Maharey from the socialist leftards has been in charge for a couple of years is it any wonder the standars have gone down?
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September 9, 2010 3:39pm
RightNow

Thinly veiled threats from the Imam heading the ground zero mosque:
(http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/imam.lkl/index.html?hpt=T1#fbid=tUdq3IMSb99&wom=false)

Imam: Handling of Islamic center plan a matter of national security

“If we move from that location, the story will be the radicals have taken over the discourse,” Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told CNN’s Soledad O’Brien on “Larry King Live.”

“The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack.””

Moving the project to another location would strengthen Islamist radicals’ ability to recruit followers and will likely increase violence against Americans, the imam said.

Nobody has outlawed them building it, it’s up to them if they move it or not. Overtly stating that recruitment of Islamist radicals and violence against Americans would increase if it was moved is just thuggish blackmail though.
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September 9, 2010 3:50pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (11,296) Says:

September 9th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
“Stepanie Rice would have had the same problems if she had used some other equally pejorative term.”

Utter crap. Rice’s treatment shows exactly what we are up against when it comes to militant homosexuals.

red, to use your own phrase, UTTER CRAP!

It has nothing to do with poofters, militant or otherwise, it has to do with people who like to be offended.

I am sure Muhammad Noor Che Musa is not a poof, but here’s another story of a crack gone wrong.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/newmans-race-remarks-cross-the-line-again/story-e6frf7kx-1225776864245
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September 9, 2010 3:54pm
wreck1080

I wonder, if our higher salaries commission takes this into account….

As a percentage of GDP , these are the worlds most well paid leaders…

http://www.economist.com/node/16525240?story_id=16525240

The ones in front of NZ are largely corrupt countries (except for Singapore). So, of non-corrupt countries, NZ has the second highest paid leader in the world.

Kenya
Singapore
Indonesia
South Africa
Hong Kong
New Zealand
France
USA
Japan
Germany
Canada
Ireland
Russia
Australia
Britain
Taiwan
….
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September 9, 2010 4:20pm
RightNow

Darn wobbly building syndrome again.
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September 9, 2010 4:24pm
hj

Toad outs the Greens:
toad
Posted September 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM
@samiam 8:47 AM

The Greens are not and never have been an environmental party, so there is no hijack at all. One of the foundation principles of the Greens is appropriate decisionmaking.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/09/05/general-debate-september-5-2010-2/#comment-150391
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September 9, 2010 7:34pm
Steve

Earthquake.

A lot of talk and a lot of media coverage. Who will pay? who will pat what and how much?
A question, Ngai Tahu have been payed a lot, so how or when are they going to help ‘their people’?

Oh just wait for the Govt (taxpayer) to fund it
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September 9, 2010 8:03pm
Steve

typo ‘pat’ = ‘pay’
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September 9, 2010 8:07pm
Chthoniid

@Viking2

Given that slimy Maharey from the socialist leftards has been in charge for a couple of years is it any wonder the standars have gone down?

I don’t wish to be drawn on the performance of the leadership at Massey, but based on other international measures, Massey does well. E.g. the College of Business recently was awarded AASCB accreditation. This is a international quality measure that takes several years of scrutiny and assessment to achieve.

The reality is that TEC bases its measure of performance on the time taken for students to complete their qualification. Massey’s profile is unusual- over half the students are part timers, often extramurals. Part time students take longer to complete their qualifications. This is a fact that has nothing to do with the VC.

It also translates into a much slower completion rate of programmes, and hence by the measures TEC uses, a lower performance. The measure is simply not an accurate metric. Personally, I have found it appealing that at least one university in NZ caters to students who need this flexible form of learning so well
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September 9, 2010 8:14pm
krazykiwi

Massey’s global rankings …

2006 – 213th
2007 – 242nd
2008 – 283rd
2009 – 299th
2010 – 302nd

Relentless progress …
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September 9, 2010 8:29pm
wikiriwhis business

I wonder how Donald Trump is feeling about this Mosque memorial.

Is he feeling betrayed because his application to build a new memorial site was turned down.

Is he feeling betrayed in a sinister way?
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