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September 27, 2010 8:02am
Viking2

Ahh, school holiday hell.
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September 27, 2010 8:13am
Guy Fawkes

At least the weather has gotten better. Great to see the landscape not obscured by clouds, fog and driving rain.
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September 27, 2010 8:19am
Murray

School holidays, daylight saving begins… steets are dead!

Give it four days and watch the burglary stats spike.
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September 27, 2010 8:21am
Viking2

oh nioce!
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September 27, 2010 8:38am
Chuck Bird

Despite the left wing media particualrly the Herald ACT is not going to go away. If you are want free access to the beaches come along to a meeting and support ACT.

Public Meetings on Foreshore and Seabed

John Boscawen is holding a series of Public Meetings during the next recess to raise public awareness of the new foreshore and seabed law.

The meeting details are:

Monday 27 September , 7:00 pm, Royal Akarana Yacht Club, 8 Tamaki Drive, Okahu Bay. (also with Hon Rodney Hide)

Tuesday 28 September , 2 pm, Howick Little Theatre, 1 Sir Lloyd Drive, Lloyd Elsmore Park, Pakuranga and 7.30 pm, Howick Recreation Centre, 563 Pakuranga Road, Pakuranga

Thursday 30 September, 7.30 pm, Angus Inn Hotel, 507 Railway Road, Hastings
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September 27, 2010 8:51am
wreck1080

Has anyone had an issue with kiwiblog jumping into the mobile version of the website?

It’s changed twice on me now, in the last couple of days.
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September 27, 2010 8:53am
Pete George

Been happening to me too wreck. Seems random and occasional. Sometimes when I open Kiwiblog, sometimes when navigating around.

Re the weather, something is really screwy about it, isn’t it supposed to pack up for the holidays, and not clear up?
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September 27, 2010 8:59am
Dave Mann

Yesterday I read about Google giving a $1.5 million grant to some outfit who wants to develop pedal powered monorail transport for cities.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10675998

This is quite possibly the most disgusting thing I have read recently. Now the ‘ideal’ is to turn meople into worker ants in a mindless collective hive. Repulsive.
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September 27, 2010 9:23am
k.jones

police investigating national in AK for electoral iregularities???
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September 27, 2010 9:44am
hj

On Sunday TV One. Margaret Mutu and Hone Harawira. I think Margaret Mutu’s problem is that she is flogging a dead horse: the idea that archaic Maori beliefs and cultural practices can be made to be seen as having credence in the modern world. A bit like telling Grandma she’s still the most beautiful girl in the room.
While Auckland University produces research in all sorts of areas (medicine, fresh water ecology, genetics economics), Mutus contribution is:

5.
Māori Role in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Defined by tikanga (our laws)
derive from a world view that we inherited from our ancestors
rooted as much in the spiritual aspects of this world as the physical.
based on underlying values which include
Mana – authority, power, control, ownership, status, influence, dignity, respect all derived from the gods
etc
http://www.goingbananas.org.nz/…/Going_Bananas_August_07_Maori_Roots_Multicultural_NZ.ppt –
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September 27, 2010 9:47am
bhudson

k.jones,

What are the irregularities that have been found? Actually following the rules?
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September 27, 2010 9:47am
k.jones

Umm not sure. often when the police investigate its because….
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September 27, 2010 9:51am
bhudson

k.jones,

That is the point. Your lot have made corruption the norm, so that following the rules is now an irregularity…
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September 27, 2010 9:53am
k.jones

how dare you assume my lot’s shortcomings let your lot of the hook !!!
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September 27, 2010 9:57am
Pete George

The alleged irregularity is offering cash prizes in exchange for political support. Following the rules, or bribery? Possibly both.
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September 27, 2010 9:57am
bhudson

k.jones,

they don’t let ‘my lot’ off the hook – they make following the rules the irregularity.
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September 27, 2010 9:59am
bhudson

Cash prize in exchange for political support? Like interest free student loans you mean?
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September 27, 2010 10:00am
Pete George

Or tax cuts?

Nats cited in claims of election law breaches

Police are probing allegations that Shore Voice asked voters to take part in a survey with a $15,000 prize draw.

Under a clause in the Local Electoral Act, it is an offence punishable by up to two years in jail to offer or give money to voters.
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September 27, 2010 10:02am
bhudson

Not tax cuts Pete – a rebalancing.

Those who do not increase their consumption will be better off – the saving will help that imbalance in our economy.

Those who choose to spend the money in the pay packet will not only help to grease the wheel of the domestic enconomy, which does need consumption (even with the attendent inflaitonary pressures.) At the same time they will help to keep the tax coffers at an acceptable level.

At the same time we should not lose sight of the changes to depreciation on investment properties.

Where’s the bribe Pete? Looks to me like the govt is giving the people back the money that was theirs in the first place, to then do with it as they see fit
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September 27, 2010 10:08am
joana

A Syrian Christian Democrat in Sweden has been attacked by 40 muslim thugs. Whilst in hospital, he decided to get out of politics.. There will be more of this as this violent segment of the population increases.
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September 27, 2010 10:10am
backster

Pete:………You couldn’t have read the full article……..”Shore Voice was a “left-leaning ticket” because its most senior candidate was former Labour MP and North Shore City councillor Ann Hartley.”

HJ…First time I have seen that MUTU woman she is whiter than I am, and in the portrait of her Maori dad he also appeared even lighter skinned so why she is so sensitive and defensive about her skin colour puzzles me.
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September 27, 2010 10:14am
Viking2

Gravy train.
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September 27, 2010 10:19am
Kris K

Forget about Anthropogenic Global Warming – so last year – latest concerns are that we’re heading into another iceage:

Cassandra Says It Will Get Very Cold
Hat tip: Crusader Rabbit.

Any number of solar scientists and others are warning that the Earth is on the brink of a new Ice Age at worst, a mini ice age at best. Dr. Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences in Potsdam has concluded that the next Ice Age will come on so swiftly that in barely a year much of the northern hemisphere will be encased in ice and snow. […]

All the signs are in place and throughout the northern hemisphere nations, their leaders prattle on about global warming, clean energy, endangered species, and all the other environmental foolishness without once casting an eye toward the source of all climate on Earth, the Sun! […]

No matter what august figure blathers about climate change these days, they are either an ignorant fool or a charlatan seeking to enrich himself by one scheme or another. The situation for the warmists has become so dire that even the science advisor to the President, Dr. John Holdren, wants to change the terminology of global warming to “global climate disruption”, admitting the former is “a dangerous misnomer.” […]

If we’re lucky, it may just be a new Little Ice Age, but it could be a new Ice Age and, if that’s the case, a lot of life on planet Earth is going to be severely disrupted for a very long, long time.

Even a brief ice age of several hundred years will increase the demand for the generation of energy to keep us warm. All of a sudden everyone including the environmentalist liars will be crying out for more coal, more oil, and more natural gas.

And additionally:
Southern California’s summer was the coldest in decades.
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September 27, 2010 10:29am
Pete George

Pete:………You couldn’t have read the full article……..”Shore Voice was a “left-leaning ticket” because its most senior candidate was former Labour MP and North Shore City councillor Ann Hartley.”

Backster, did you read the full article?

“Last night, Mr Slater, who is president of C&R, acknowledged there were some National Party links to the allegations.

Kevin Schwass, who has been with National since 1982, said he, Mrs Miles, Mr Bergin and fellow party members Jennifer Yorke and Brian Casey were standing for Shore Voice.

“I have been called a lot of things in my life,” said the Takapuna businessman, “but the worst thing you could call me is left-leaning.”

Mrs Miles said she, Mr Darby and Mr Schwass had been approached to stand for C&R and Mr Slater “knew full well we are not a Labour ticket”.

Mr Bergin, who is 18 and deputy chairman of the North Harbour branch of the Young Nats, said the actions of C&R were typical old-school politics.
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September 27, 2010 10:35am
backster

An interesting conflict of opinion at the sentencing of a double rapist in Gisborne….

“At the sentencing, Judge Gerard Lynch said it seemed Donnelly had helped young men who were on the cusp of imprisonment to turn their lives around through rugby league.

But Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Scott said Donnelly had been a high-profile offender for years.

He rejected suggestions that Donnelly had been a contributing member of society.

“We do not subscribe to the theory that people join the Mongrel Mob to assist the public.”
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September 27, 2010 10:37am
Kris K

An insight into what life is REALLY like for some of those females who choose to become peace activists on behalf of the so called Palestinians.

Peace Through Rape
Hat tip: Crusader Rabbit.

Arabs Harass Female ‘Peace’ Activists; Left Silences Victims
Two activists have exposed a disturbing phenomenon that they say is an open secret within the “peace camp”: female “peace” activists are routinely harassed and raped by the Arabs of Judea and Samaria with whom they have come to identify. They say the phenomenon has gotten worse lately and that many foreign women end up as wives of local Arabs against their will, but cannot escape their new homes. […]

It turns out, she explains, that when female peace activists from Israel and abroad come out to Judea and Samaria and demonstrate against the Israeli “occupation,” they are assaulted sexually by the Arab men whom they have come to help. These are not isolated incidents, Aloni-Sedovnik stresses. Rather, this is an “ongoing and widespread” phenomenon that includes verbal and physical abuse. She accuses the ‘peace’ camp of purposely covering up the trend so as not to offend “the Palestinians and their heritage, which sees women as sexual objects.” […]

I thoroughly recommend reading the whole article.
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September 27, 2010 10:49am
MikeNZ

The Swedes are reaping what they have sown.
Unintended consequences perhaps, oi vey!
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September 27, 2010 10:51am
Repton

Dr. Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences in Potsdam has concluded that the next Ice Age will come on so swiftly that in barely a year much of the northern hemisphere will be encased in ice and snow.

The only news I can find on Achim Brauer is this article from two years ago. In it, Dr Brauer actually says that the last ice age happened very quickly. He doesn’t say anything at all about the next ice age. And if you track down his website, this appears to be based on a publication from 2000. So, not exactly breaking news, and he’s not forecasting an imminent ice age.

HTH.
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September 27, 2010 11:38am
MikeNZ

For Reid
This encapsulates all the tabs I have on the OIC.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/oic_and_the_modern_caliphate.html

The Charter stipulates that the International Islamic Court of Justice shall become the Organization’s main legal body (Chap. X, Art. 14) and that “[t]he Independent Permanent Commission on Human Rights shall promote the civil, political, social and economic rights enshrined in the organization’s [OIC] covenants and declarations and in universally agreed human rights instruments, in conformity with Islamic values” (Art. 15). It implies that the covenants which do not conform with Islamic values will not be followed

If this isn’t good enough I can post a tab a day for you 🙂
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September 27, 2010 11:47am
hj

I wonder what is behind this:
“Monday, September 27, 2010
Greens seeking closer links with kaitiaki

Greens co-leader Russel Norman is keen that his party develops closer working relation ships with Maori communities on issues of shared concern.

He says at a local level environmentalists and tangata whanua often develop strong relationships as they address shared concerns, but more can be done at regional and national level.

“A lot of greenies see themselves, that our job is to be the guardians and a lot of Maori see their job is to be kaitiaki so there is already so much common ground but we could do more to make those links,” Dr Norman says.
”
—–
Could the Greens be pitching for Maori voters disillusioned with the Maori Parties partnership with National?
The Greens policies are close to the Maori Parties (if more extreme)? For example:
adhering to the Maori version of the Treaty of Waitangi

David Clendon:
The signing of the Treaty in 1840 saw Māori cede kāwanatanga, or governance, to the Crown, and in exchange the Crown guaranteed to Māori tino rangatiratanga, or chieftainship, which meant the right of Māori to control their lands, villages, and other treasures. The base of all negotiations [Foreshore and Seabed] must be that Māori held recognised sovereignty rights and continue to hold those rights, unless the rights associated with that sovereignty have been legislated or alienated by some legal and defensible means.”
http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/marine-and-coastal-area-takutai-moana-bill-david-clendon-speaks-first-reading

Kevin Hague:
“The phase of the discussion that we now need to move into is one that that focuses on Maori status as the indigenous people of this country and on the actual content of the Treaty: a statement of the terms and conditions for the presence of non-Maori. The Maori right to self-determination pre-dated the Treaty and was not altered by it. What is at issue in understanding the Treaty are the rights of non-Maori.
“printed in Te Awa, the Magazine of the Green Party of Aotearoa.

Catherine Delahunty:
“I am very excited that we are moving into a more sophisticated era under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and we are moving beyond the limited concept of conservative Pākehā that one man, one vote is the only manifestation of democracy possible in Aotearoa.’
http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/more-sophisticated-era-under-te-tiriti-o-waitangi

Meteria Turie:
““economic egalitarianism” if you’d rather, is a critical economic goal. But that is not itself sufficient and the truth is class politics never has been sufficient. Decolonisation in a colonised country is also a priority, as is gender equity, et al. I have never understood why people will only advocate for one single solution for what are complex problems that one solution will never fix.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/08/14/inequality-in-aotearoa-life-expectancy-again/#comment-144750
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September 27, 2010 11:48am
Mr Magister

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/4170853/iPhone-alarms-ring-early-in-daylight-savings-glitch

Of more concern than the loss of an hour is the addition of an s to daylight saving.
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September 27, 2010 11:50am
hj

I think you’re genuine greenie sees that (for example) kaitiaki are are as vulnerable as anyone else to financial enducement (as in the Mohikinui)
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/100819/west-coast-iwi-paid-mokihinui-dam-deal

or maybe these aren’t the real kaitiaki. “iwi corporation” being the key.
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September 27, 2010 11:59am
wreck1080

Looks like power prices are set to increase again.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10676306

I wonder, how long can energy prices continue to exceed economic growth?

If this continues (as it has for the last 10 years) we will reach a point, when power is taking up the entire household income, leaving nothing for food.
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September 27, 2010 12:11pm
hj

I’m curious what proportion of our income went on “the phone” in the past. Now we have 2 or more mobiles + internet + line phone + sky?
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September 27, 2010 12:21pm
Lance

@wreck
People might have to actually look at ways of using electricity efficiently.
Unlike what is going on at the moment in most NZ homes.
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September 27, 2010 12:25pm
david

Mr Magister,
Daylight Saving is a manifesttion of the fact that the cat lobby captured Peter Dunne and is holding him total hostage to their devious plan for cats to get fed an hour earlier in Spring.

Our cat was inconsolable at 5pm last night even though her body clock said it was 4:00pm and she is never fed till 5:30.

Bloody interfering do-gooder MP’s and their warped sense of what the commiunity really wants.!!!!!!
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September 27, 2010 12:43pm
k.jones

After all that hassling of the fafoi selection process….

“It’s disgusting how National treated you,” Sai told him.

“You are one of us. You have my vote.”
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September 27, 2010 1:19pm
Sonny Blount

@wreck
People might have to actually look at ways of using electricity efficiently.
Unlike what is going on at the moment in most NZ homes.

Whereas if we lived in a rational, civilised country. The amount of power generated would increase with time, power cost would decrease, technological efficiency would increase, and useful applications of electricity would increase.

Instead we live in a backwards country where generation grows slower than usage, cost increases, and we attempt to utilise less of the beneficial applications of electricity.
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September 27, 2010 1:24pm
kowtow

Here’s an interesting piece from the UK Telegraph,global warming and spinmasters etc > I agree with most or all,esp the bit about these secretive elites driving their own agendas.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/
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September 27, 2010 1:35pm
Lance

We need both more power generation and new thinking about power efficiency.
Like moaning about power bills when a house has 100 down-lights. FFS the reflected light off a non mirrored surface is fuck all of half a rats arse. Dumb dumb dumb

Cheap $50 heaters that are not great investments to say the least, continuous and unending use of the clothes drier when the bloody sun is shining outside and a plethora or piss poor plug packs all drawing 7 watts just to run themselves (quiescent power).
Add to that the poorly insulated homes only starting to be addressed now.
Hell if you want that sort of lifestyle don’t let me stand in your way but also don’t expect me to pay for either through subsidies.

Reminds me of SUV drivers moaning about petrol/diesel prices.

More generation and infrastructure is expensive so even bypassing the luddites with expanded power capacity will not cause power prices to drop.
My personal view there is sore need of greater distributed micro-generation but that’s another topic.
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September 27, 2010 2:55pm
Viking2

Tax cuts unfair: unions
Tax cuts which come into effect on Friday are unfair and will fail.

The gap in take-home pay between someone on $30,000 a year and someone on $150,000 a year will grow by $102 a week as a result of the income tax cuts – a tax cut of $16.15 per week compared to one of $117.88,” Mr Rosenberg said.

“The gap in take-home pay between someone on $30,000 a year and someone on $150,000 a year will grow by $102 a week as a result of the income tax cuts – a tax cut of $16.15 per week compared to one of $117.88,” Mr Rosenberg said.

Note to SELF: Must increase my pay packet so I can get another $117.88 dollars a week to spend!
I need to piss of the unions. Seriously I do.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/4170815/Tax-cuts-unfair-unions
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September 27, 2010 5:22pm
MikeNZ

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/16/anne-bayefsky-human-rights-council-eileen-donahoe-israel-palestinian-authority/

srael is the only U.N. state not permitted to be a full member of any of the U.N.’s five regional groups. Throughout the Human Rights Council sessions, these groups hold key planning meetings in which countries negotiate and share important information behind closed doors. Even the Palestinian Authority, though not a state, is permitted into the Asian regional group. Israelis are allowed into the Western European and Others Group (WEOG) in some parts of the U.N. But WEOG members have chosen to exclude them totally in all of their meetings associated with the Human Rights Council. Rather than refusing to participate until such outrageous discrimination comes to an end, Obama administration representatives walked through the door slammed in the face of Israelis and made themselves comfortable.

While Israelis are left standing in the hall during the Council’s regional group meetings, this week for the first time Libya took its seat as a full-fledged Council member. Other full voting members of the U.N.’s lead human rights body include such model citizens as Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Russia and Kyrgyzstan.

That we have never dealt to this apartheid as a country makes us hypocrites.
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September 27, 2010 8:26pm
Luc Hansen

A quote from kowtow’s link

We need a “Global Warming” Nuremberg.

There will be, when future generations realise how we fiddled while consigning them to an ever more precarious environmental and political life.

In New Zealand, lead to the gallows (posthumously) first will be Rodney Hide, John Boscowan, Ian Wishart, Chris de Freitas, Don Nicholson and many others who should simply have known better.
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September 27, 2010 9:09pm
krazykiwi

Here we go: A large bunch of global elite gather in Spain… and they discuss Global Cooling:

Global Cooling and the New World Order
[…]
At its June meeting in Sitges, Spain (unreported and held in camera, as is Bilderberg’s way), some of the world’s most powerful CEOs rubbed shoulders with notable academics and leading politicians.

They included: the chairman of Fiat, the Irish Attorney General Paul Gallagher, the US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke, Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates, Dick Perle, the Queen of the Netherlands, the editor of the Economist…. Definitely not Z-list, in other words.

Which is what makes one particular item on the group’s discussion agenda so tremendously significant. See if you can spot the one I mean:

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 – 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations.
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September 27, 2010 11:24pm
krazykiwi

kowtow beat me to it. Well done!
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September 27, 2010 11:29pm
kaya

krazykiwi – the one that I find just as “tremendously significant” is “Financial Reform”.

The present monetary system is imploding and needs addressed more quickly than climate cooling/warming/not changing. Something needs to be done now. Fractional reserve banking is fucking us all (bar a tiny minority) really badly.

Also I see one of the commenters on the Telegraph website had this to say:

“Hi Kiwi – yes very nice guy the NZ PM John Key but he did actually say this on May 10th 2005 referring to a Climate Change Bill before Parliament: “This is a complete and utter hoax, if I may say so. The impact of the Kyoto Protocol, even if one believes in global warming – and I am somewhat suspicious of it – is that we will see billions and billions of dollars poured into fixing something that we are not even sure is a problem” (Actual words Hansard 10/5/2005)

Who got to him?”

………Indeed.
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September 28, 2010 12:19am
krazykiwi

@kaya – Yes, “Financial Reform” is rather ominous sounding. The “who got to him?” question is a good one. I can’t shake the feeling that Key and/or Smith have some vested interest(s) in the Climate Change industry. Smith did have a forestry/timber company ‘settle’ their claim (~$16m?) against him just three weeks before the ETS started. Key almost certainly has large Bank Of America investments and these guys have a environmental and carbon trading interests. All speculation but there are a few dots which look connectable.
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