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Rodders

Ed Miliband is the new leader of the British Labour Party

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11412031

Apparently, it was the affiliated union vote that swung it for him. Sounds familiar !
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September 26, 2010 8:12am
hj

Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill — David Clendon speaks to First Reading

http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/marine-and-coastal-area-takutai-moana-bill-david-clendon-speaks-first-reading
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September 26, 2010 8:20am
hj

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. surely Allah is high, supreme. (4:34)
http://www.carpediembc.com/…/The%20Koran%20as%20Hate%20Speech.doc
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September 26, 2010 8:29am
WebWrat

It’s a shame we don’t know who these terrorists are isn’t it. If we knew who they were, we could do something about it!

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-government-warns-not-to-fly-flag-at-delhi-over-terror-fears/story-e6frfkvr-1225929416604

H/T Crusader Rabbit
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September 26, 2010 8:31am
Inventory2

@ hj – thanks for the video link – I’m feeling tired this morning after missing an hour’s sleep, so listening to David Clendon will leave me comatose within seconds 🙂
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September 26, 2010 8:32am
Inventory2

Has Andrew Little pretty much admitted that Labour Party candidates are responsible for the electoral fraud in South Auckland? It sure does seem like an exercise in damage limitation.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/09/pre-emptive-strike.html

More to the point, would anyone trust the Labour Party to deal with this internally?
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September 26, 2010 8:35am
WebWrat

I wonder if it might be MUSLIMS that are the terrorists?
Nah … can’t be, they are peace loving aren’t they?

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/pakistan-christian-man-burned-alive-wife-raped-by-police-because-they-refused-to-convert-to-islam/
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September 26, 2010 8:36am
HarryGlicken

Thank god we dont post these figures here in NZ YET,but one day ,with the numbers of muslims comming in??????
Sep. 11 – Sep. 17 Jihad Attacks: 54

Dead Bodies: 193

Critically Injured: 421

Monthly Jihad Report
August, 2010 Jihad Attacks: 196

Countries: 23

Religions: 5

Dead Bodies: 811

Critically Injured: 1602
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September 26, 2010 8:36am
Pete George

“Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church.”(Ephesians 5: 22-30)

“For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man.” (1 Corinthians 11: 3-10)

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).
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September 26, 2010 8:40am
HarryGlicken

WebbWrat,
There are people who say its only a few muslims who are like this (TUI BEER AD)

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
“He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah’s cause”
Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2010.09.24 (Makhachkala, Dagestan) – A high school principal is murdered in her home by Muslim radicals.
2010.09.23 (Landi Kotal, Pakistan) – Three people burn to death when Islamic militants bomb an oil tanker.
2010.09.23 (Taji, Iraq) – A man and his wife are shot to death by Holy Warriors.
2010.09.23 (Mosul, Iraq) – A woman is among two people killed in their own homes by Mujahideen.
2010.09.23 (Pattani, Thailand) – Two Buddhists are shot to death by militant Muslims as they are delivering noodles to a store.
2010.09.23 (Baghdad, Iraq) – Four young boys under the age of ten are murdered by a Mujahid bomb attack on their car.
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September 26, 2010 8:41am
MyNameIsJack

Yes webrat, muslims are peace loving. Just like the IRA, even more so than the Real IRA.

It’s a shame we don’t know who these terrorists are isn’t it. If we knew who they were, we could do something about it!

First, do we know they exist, or are they the creation of those with a vested interest in creating threats and thus continuing their own empire building? Is this what George W Shrub has achieved for us with his War on Terror(tm)?

And anyway, IF they exist, and IF you knew who they were, what would you “do about it”? Start another war? Create more martyrs?

The best way to fight this threat is with as much Geen and Gold as possible.
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September 26, 2010 8:43am
HarryGlicken

“He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah’s cause”
Muhammad, prophet of Islam
this is REAL time punishment on NON MUSLIMS
you read it and watch it on tv most nights, islam can be nasty and not at all tolerant
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September 26, 2010 8:44am
Put it away

….and right on cue, the PC leftards will appear and stick their fingers in their ears and shout “LALALLALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU. IT’S THE RELIGION OF PEACE! IT’S THE RELIGION OF PEACE ! LALALALALA !!!!”
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September 26, 2010 8:47am
WebWrat

If you think can stop this without a war, you would have to be bloody dreaming.
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September 26, 2010 8:51am
MyNameIsJack

WebWrat (404) Says:

September 26th, 2010 at 8:51 am
If you think can stop this without a war, you would have to be bloody dreaming.

If you think you can stop this with a war then you are dreaming.

Or a warmonger.

Or an idiot.

Or all of the above.

Is every Muslim a terrorist? No.

Is every terrorist a muslim? No.

Is an act of terror an act of war? No.

Can terrorism be defeated by war? No.

But if YOU want to wage war, go right ahead, just don’t expect everyone else to share your delusions.
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September 26, 2010 8:54am
Michael

It’s the religion of treating women as second class citizens, it’s the religion of sharia law and it’s cruel punishments, it’s the religion that is still stuck in the middle ages.
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September 26, 2010 8:57am
Pete George

Enough of trying to talk up Armageddon, it’s extremely sad that some people actually want it to happen.

More current – I’ve just been watching a repeat of “The Nation”. TV3 selected two mayoral candidates and decided they should get all the exposure and the rest don’t matter. Perverting the course of the election through preferential treatment may be deemed better for ratings but it’s terrible for democracy.

And they’ve just given preferential exposure to another candidate too, the Whale.
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September 26, 2010 8:58am
Ross Nixon

Arthur Allan Thomas: The Inside Story…a cop killed the Crewes.
This new book on the Crewe murders is now available from many bookstores.
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September 26, 2010 8:58am
HarryGlicken

Yes webrat, muslims are peace loving. Just like the IRA, even more so than the Real IRA.

umm mnij why are you jumping to the radical muslims defence,do you approve of sunni/shite killing each other ,bali bombers, honour killings,suicide belt bombers, we are pointing out real time facts here,not some tiny irish killer gang. I look at muslims walking the streets in their burkas and head coverings and wonder will their kids one day blow a Auckland bus up because a danish cartoonist offended them (re British born muslims born in the country but radiclised islamists)
In finishing the ira dont scare me but the future radical muslims to appear in NZ do
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September 26, 2010 8:59am
Banana Llama

“Can terrorism be defeated by war? No”

I agreed with everything but this because it depends on how the war is waged, you get into some pretty depraved shit though if you follow it through to the end.
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September 26, 2010 9:01am
starboard

all muslims can eat my a***..ya hear that muslim…eat my a***
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September 26, 2010 9:01am
WebWrat

“Or a warmonger.

Or an idiot.”

That’s me Jack …. better than being a coward.

Suit yourself, if you want to commit cultural susancide go ahead.

“But if YOU want to wage war, go right ahead, just don’t expect everyone else to share your delusions.”

Speak for all do you?

I don’t think delusions are MY problem.
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September 26, 2010 9:04am
Pete George

It’s the religion of treating women as second class citizens,

You mean one of the religions treating women as second class citizens, it’s far less prevalent in our secular society but remnants of the middle ages remain. I was at a church wedding fifteen years ago where in the vows the woman promised obedience to her husband. Posts on Kiwiblog have suggested we go back to a patriarchal society.

Suit yourself, if you want to commit cultural susancide go ahead.

Does someone think Susans are second class women?
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September 26, 2010 9:05am
HarryGlicken

A pretty heavy start to Sunday,i could say
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September 26, 2010 9:08am
Guy Fawkes

Comment on Red Ed’s Victory in the Labour Party Leadership Election.

Charlie Whelan Wins by a Whisker

Unite’s massive effort to persuade disinterested union members to vote for Ed Miliband paid off. Ed won 50.65% of the vote. He lost in the MP and membership sections of the electoral college but took so much of the union vote it didn’t matter. The unions bought the election, endorsements and incredibly heavy promotion of their chose candidate paid off. Charlie Whelan and Derek Simpson can justifiably claim it is their victory, they got Red Ed the job…
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September 26, 2010 9:10am
Pete George

Scathing editorial on Act:

Douglas’ rogue act of desperation

Sir Roger Douglas’ attempt to divert attention from Act’s woes by issuing a flyer attacking the Prime Minister’s “head-in-the-sand” attitude to catching up with Australia was not just laughably clumsy. It was also rather disturbing.

Yet even as Hide seeks to settle things down after the six-week circus in which the party came close to self-immolation, the picture remains of a deeply dysfunctional organisation.

But those Epsom voters will need to have very short memories indeed if they are to support Hide in next year’s poll. A party that has displayed such shiftiness and hypocrisy deserves to disappear from the political landscape.
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September 26, 2010 9:11am
WebWrat

“I was at a church wedding fifteen years ago where in the vows the woman promised obedience to her husband.”

The question is tho Pete, did she have to do this or did she want to make that commitment?

Was she going to get burned and raped if she didn’t?

Are you as cowardly as you seem?
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September 26, 2010 9:11am
MyNameIsJack

Suit yourself, if you want to commit cultural susancide go ahead.

I thought Paul Henry had that schtick.
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September 26, 2010 9:14am
Guy Fawkes

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2010

From the UK. Seem vaguely familiar?

Labour Party Union Funding Scam Scrapped

Great news that the backhanded theft of millions of pounds of taxpayers money by the Labour Party, also known as the Union Modernisation Fund, has been scrapped. But it’s fine, no doubt Prezza will be elected Treasurer at Labour conference and with his track record he’s guaranteed to sort out the hole in Labour’s dire finances.
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September 26, 2010 9:14am
Pete George

Her choice, but it hasn’t exactly worked that way in practice.

May be similar for some Muslim women – I have no idea, but in many societies men are purported to be heads of households but in reality many women run them.

Where the hell does cowardly come into this?
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September 26, 2010 9:15am
WebWrat

And further Pete:

“I was at a church wedding fifteen years ago where in the vows the woman promised obedience to her husband.”

My wife did that too, then for the next 40 years I obeyed HER!

She never once got acid thrown in her face, stoned or beaten.

Just sayin’.
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September 26, 2010 9:19am
Pete George

Our non-Muslim society is far from perfect when it comes to beatings. And family murders. Just sayin’.
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September 26, 2010 9:23am
WebWrat

“Where the hell does cowardly come into this?”

Cowards don’t face facts, hide their heads in the sand and take it up the arse.
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September 26, 2010 9:26am
jackp

the news is at it again attacking Act. Now they want to associate Act with brothels. Read the headlines..” no skeletons in Mp’s past, just a brothel.” I think it was labour that made prostitution legal and the news media supported it. This is getting rediculous.
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September 26, 2010 9:30am
Hurf Durf

Best Twitter feed ever.

My goy slaves are preparing a kosher feast for Charlie Whelan. MORE SWANS MORE SWANS #labconf #lab10 #RedEd
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September 26, 2010 9:36am
bhudson

Just saw Cunliffe on Q&A. After spouting opinion as fact about the net impact of the tax cuts he took questions from Espiner on the predicted Labour announcement this coming week to remove GST on fresh fruit & vegetables.

The nanny party will force NZ’ers to be healthy. Laudable aim surely?

Well, maybe…

When questioned on how much it would cost and where the money would come from, Cunliffe responded it would cost about $250m per annum and that that could largely be covered by the increase in the tobacco tax take.

Given general acceptance that smoking is more prevalent among lower income earners, Cunliffe’s plan to make them eat healthy foods is to have them continue smoking so that he can remove GST from fruit & veges.

Think about it a moment – if he plans to use the tobacco tax to pay for the GST removal, then he needs people to continue smoking (else the tax take drops and he loses his funding.) So his plan is to raise the health risk of lower income earners so that he can give them cheaper healthy foods.

Put another way, Cunliffe is, in effect, demanding more deaths of NZ’ers from smoking in order to fund an increase in consumption of fruit & veges. That is simply horrific!! To add insult to injury he is targetting his party’s core constituents to pay for this tax bribe with their health and lives.

And this man would like people to believe he has the credentials to lead this country!!

[Am going to copy this to Red Alert – Not confident it will get past moderation.]
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September 26, 2010 9:37am
MyNameIsJack

WebWrat (408) Says:

September 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am
“Or a warmonger.

Or an idiot.”

That’s me Jack …. better than being a coward.

So you want to go to war with the Muslims? Fine, but let’s see how this would work out in practice.

Almost every country has Muslims. Do you want to declare war on the entire world? Or are some countries more muslim than others? Maybe we should go to war with Indonesia, they’ve got lots of Muslims and a pretty crappy army.

Or myabe you could do what George W Shrub did, go to war with a secular country with a large Muslim population, overthrow the secular government and have an Islamic government take its place. Well done Shrub.

Or perhaps local action is more your style. Why not just burn down your nearest mosque during Friday prayers? there you go, your own little piece of terrorism. Because THAT is what you are advocating you fucking bloodthirtsy little arm chair warrior. But I bet you don’t have the guts, far better some of Father’s son does your killing for you.

You are no better than those you despise, you;re their mirror image.

For mine, I’ll wage my war on terror as I always have, by living my life in confidence and by preserving my freedoms.
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September 26, 2010 9:43am
Hurf Durf

Bonkers, mate, it’s Sunday morning. Have a lie in.
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September 26, 2010 9:44am
starboard

This is the former psychiatrist whose suburban home was found to contain millions of dollars of gold and silver bullion and foreign currency on Monday.
But Dr Alan Simpson, 68, was not saying anything yesterday when the Herald on Sunday found him at his Ann St home in suburban Hamilton.
“It’s a long and convoluted story,” is all he would say about the $4.1m worth police found in three safes when they raided his property.
Simpson said he was gagged because the matter was sub judice. He would make a full disclosure once it had been dealt with by the courts.
An Auckland-based specialist search team made the raid under the Insolvency Cross Border Act. Staff from the New Zealand Insolvency and Trustee Service were also involved.

Simpson, who has lived in New Zealand for 17 years, was declared bankrupt in an English court last September.
Simpson is well known in Hamilton church circles and is a choir singer and church reader at Cathedral Church of St Peter’s. A church spokesperson who did not wish to be named said Simpson was “gracious but a somewhat enigmatic character.

…choir singer and church reader…well known in church circles…and a thieving hypocrite bastard…you cant hide behind religion buddyboy.
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September 26, 2010 9:46am
MyNameIsJack

you cant hide behind religion buddyboy.

It works for the peddo priests.

It works for the nazi pope.

It even works for Bishop Brian’s raid on the wallets of the poor.
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September 26, 2010 9:50am
WebWrat

“For mine, I’ll wage my war on terror as I always have, by living my life in confidence and by preserving my freedoms.”

How does that work Jack?
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September 26, 2010 9:54am
WebWrat

“Or perhaps local action is more your style. Why not just burn down your nearest mosque during Friday prayers? there you go, your own little piece of terrorism. Because THAT is what you are advocating you fucking bloodthirtsy little arm chair warrior. But I bet you don’t have the guts, far better some of Father’s son does your killing for you.”

Boy! That put me in my place Jack.
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September 26, 2010 10:01am
Pauleastbay

My wife and I share all the decision making in our house.

“I make the big decisions and she makes the small ones.”

What does she decide you may ask?

” Oh, things like where we live, what we eat, how much money we spend, where the children go to school”

And what do you get to decide?

Things like whether we should go to war with Russis
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September 26, 2010 10:06am
hj

Pete George (7,214) Says:
September 26th, 2010 at 8:40 am

“Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church.”(Ephesians 5: 22-30)
……………….
Yes you can find statements like that in the new Testament but the question is to what degree particular messages are overt. Compare the Parable of the Good Samaritan with Mohammed’s rantings or “let he who be without sin amongst you cast the first stone”.
I’d Say the Muslims win (or should that be beat them?):
“Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (2:224)
“Men have a status above women. (2:228)
“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. surely Allah is high, supreme. (4:34)
http://www.carpediembc.com/…/The%20Koran%20as%20Hate%20Speech.doc
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September 26, 2010 10:09am
Inventory2

I can say with pride that I wear the pants in our household ….

… Mrs Inv just tells me which pair 😉
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September 26, 2010 10:11am
WebWrat

What the West needs to know.

http://08hayabusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/islam-what-west-needs-to-know.html
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September 26, 2010 10:26am
hj

“Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (2:224)
.
What if you get your face slapped?
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September 26, 2010 10:26am
tom hunter

I don’t suppose this will make the news in NZ – it is a Democrat administration after all – but there was a stunning testimony given yesterday by a former US Justice Department lawyer about the Black Panthers voter intimidation effort at the last US election.

This guy – Coates – is an experienced civil rights prosecutor who was appointed by President Bill Clinton. He testified that the Department ordered their people not to testify about the case in order to avoid contradicting the Obama administration. You can read about it here.

There’s been some speculation on the right that this is the reason the comedian Steven Colbert was asked to testify (in character) before a different committee, so as to bury the Coates story in the media. Judging by the news story count the gambit appears to have worked.

Still, with an upcoming GOP majority in the House I would not get too comfortable if I was in Attorney General Holder’s shoes. This is one investigation that is not going to die on the vine. Nixon redux?
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September 26, 2010 10:45am
bereal

Mohammed heard one of his wives was thinking of leaving him.
He rushed home to confront her, “I heard you were thinking of leaving me.” he said.
She replied,” Yes I heard your other wives saying you were a pedophile.”
Mohammed thinks for a moment then responds, “Thats a big word for a six year old.”
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September 26, 2010 10:49am
starboard

bereal (25) Says:

September 26th, 2010 at 10:49 am

..BAWHAHAHAHAHA !!!
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September 26, 2010 10:54am
flipper

GST…

Interesting what Cunliffe said (and hinted at) this morning on Q & A.

The Fresh Fruit & Veg GST exemption will add to production costs for producers since their GST inputs will not be deductible.
Producers will still have to pay GST on all taxable production costs.
Zero rated outputs, but costs will increase 15% for most inputs (if they can be separated).
Ripple effects right down the line……

Ergo, increased consumer costs? Certainly no effective cost reduction.

Talk about an own goal! Dumb, but then he is appealing to likes of UNITE
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September 26, 2010 10:58am
starboard

..A family of 5 muslims crash off a cliff..do you laugh or cry ?

..cry , 2 more could have fit in the boot .
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September 26, 2010 11:01am
joana

We don’t need to go to war with the muslims because the muslims are already at war with us. Jihad is the obligation of every muslim and it is being preached in mosques throughout the world.
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September 26, 2010 11:02am
tristanb

starboard (1,290) Says:
all muslims can eat my a***..ya hear that muslim…eat my a***

Your aunt?
Your arms?
Your anus?

Maybe your ammo?
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September 26, 2010 11:07am
bhudson

Flipper,

What Cunliffe said was far worse than that. He’s looking to kill off his consituents (refer comments around 9:35am this morning)
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September 26, 2010 11:10am
flipper

bhudson…
Yep, agree
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September 26, 2010 11:17am
MT_Tinman

Removing GST on vegetables sounds good to me – tobacco is vegetable.
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September 26, 2010 11:22am
Fletch

Video HERE (WARNING, GRAPHIC!) of a woman being stoned by the Taliban for being seen out walking with a man.

As the text in the link says –

This is Sharia Law. This is Islam’s “justice,” “compassion,” and “mercy” which apologists will not repudiate, attempting to dodge the issue by assuring the uninformed (and maybe even trying to make themselves believe) that it is not an issue because it is not prescribed in the Qur’an itself.
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September 26, 2010 12:05pm
tristanb

It’s not just Muslims who are nutjobs. Here’s an article about the Amish:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10676025

As long as people’s religious ideas are regarded as being as important as the treatment of actual other people, we are always going to let these situations emerge.

If a Muslim says the Koran tells him to keep his daughter locked inside doing housework until she marries her uncle, we should not let him get away with it. If an exclusive Brethen doesn’t want to pay tax, we should not let them get away with it.

No person, and no state, should be expected to “respect your religion” and be threatened if they don’t. A religion is just a bunch of ideas shared by a group people. There’s nothing inherent about it that deserves respect.

If someone shares their views on gun control, government involvement, or conservation, you don’t have to agree or respect them. But if someone states they believe in reincarnation, or life after death, we feel obliged to not call them on such a ridiculous belief lest we seem intolerant.
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September 26, 2010 12:21pm
joe90

A shitty video of the stoning of an anonymous victim from an anti Islam hate site posted by someone who links a boy bunters support site as his home page, who woulda thunk.

To put the crime into context, Du’a Khalil Aswad was murdered by her Yazidi family for converting to Islam.
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September 26, 2010 12:39pm
joe90

missed the edit window:

family for allegedly converting to Islam
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September 26, 2010 12:45pm
labrator

I’m feeling in a charitable mood today, so in respect of other peoples beliefs, this is a meaningless comment to move my comment number from 666 to 667.
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September 26, 2010 12:46pm
Redbaiter

“Here’s an article about the Amish:”

Loon. Never happens amongst the secular does it?

Secularism- Evil with slightly less hypocrisy.
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September 26, 2010 12:50pm
bhudson

And now I know why some refer to it as “The Strandard”…

Mind you, I wasn’t expecting any rational debate and could probably be accused of stirring by copying my Cunliffe GST comments there. Sure enough, the tax and spend mentality remains strong with that group. Their logical reasoning would seem to follow very different steps also.

Diverting and (very) mildly entertaining. I probably should have been mowing the lawns instead.
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September 26, 2010 1:21pm
wat dabney

The blatant fabrication of the US climate record used to perpetuate the AGW scare;

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/thermometer-magic/
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September 26, 2010 1:46pm
Kris K

labrator 12:46 pm,

I’m feeling in a charitable mood today, so in respect of other peoples beliefs, this is a meaningless comment to move my comment number from 666 to 667.

We’ve all been there, Labrator – and you’re quite right for not wanting to loiter too long on comment 666. Those that have often are observed to never make another comment again – they simply slip quietly into the ether of non existence – the Nirvana of the interweb; a souless, cold place without redemption or hope …
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September 26, 2010 2:06pm
Viking2

You shouldn’t talk about Parliament like that.!
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September 26, 2010 2:24pm
Kris K

Viking2 2:24 pm,

😉
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September 26, 2010 2:27pm
labrator

Long ago, in the ether of the original net, that has long since been the internet and now is cemented in eternity with a capitalised noun there was once a rumour, an old wife’s tale, an urban legend of mammoth proportions. Simply stated, if you were to comment on a site of political nature, and that your comment was to be the 666th comment you had hence made, and within 15 minutes passing of time you did not make another comment, then and only then, the evillest of all political evils would be laid upon you. You would become a Green list MP.
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September 26, 2010 2:51pm
Yvette

Concern over NZ halal lamb
The organisation representing the country’s meat exporters is concerned about the reputation New Zealand lamb has in Britain, with people saying they will not buy it because it is halal.
… New Zealand meat exporters started slaughtering animals according to halal guidelines so meat could be sold in Muslim countries.
– stuff.co.nz

“Some British restaurant chains were also serving up halal meat without telling customers”, an article in the Daily Mail pointed out, and that 70 percent of New Zealand lamb exports to Britain were halal, but this was not stated on the label.
Is meat for sale in New Zealand shops halal or not and is it labelled as such?
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September 26, 2010 3:49pm
tristanb

I guess our freezing works just (reasonably) assumed that non-Muslims wouldn’t care how their meal was prepared, so just made everything “Halal compatible”.

I wouldn’t really care, I don’t think the sheep cares whether it’s facing Mecca as its neck is slit. In fact, from NZ there’s properly less than a degree of difference in the direction of Mecca, Israel and Britain. Can’t we just say it’s facing Buckingham Palace?

I’d be more comfortable if they did away from any sort of magical sheep killing.
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September 26, 2010 4:08pm
jaba

Silent T on the Nation, I agree with comments above about him .. who would buy a used car from him??
Silent T is a senior member of the caucus, the finance spokesman no less and potentially the next “leader” of this band of dip shits. When asked about the latest pamphlet they put out he denied all knowledge and accountability for the bullshit it said .. Owen Glenn was right about these people .. I wouldn’t want them next to me in the trenches either.
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September 26, 2010 4:32pm
JiveKitty

From recollection, in some places halal slaughtering has a bad reputation due not to the mode of slaughter itself but they typical standards relating to hygiene, etc, where halal slaughtering has been done.
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September 26, 2010 5:00pm
Jack5

Tristan B posted at 4.08:

…don’t think the sheep cares whether it’s facing Mecca as its neck is slit. In fact, from NZ there’s properly less than a degree of difference in the direction of Mecca, Israel and Britain.

There’s more to halal killing than that, Tristan. It bans the use of stunning or electrocution,or instant death by bolt gun. These methods are used in NZ and the West to reduce suffering to the slaughtered animals.

It’s not just Muslims. A WEllington rabbi was recently campaigning against NZ slaughter laws because he claimed it blocked supply of kosher meat to Jews. Jewish ritual slaughter also blocks stunning of animals and requires death by draining blood.

Perhaps all the Semitic peoples should stick to flat bread and camel milk.
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September 26, 2010 5:06pm
krazykiwi

Poor old Bazza …

Barack Obama: the Great Unravelling of a One-Term President?

The White House threw open its doors to Bob Woodward but the unflattering portrait could not have come at a worse time for Barack Obama, argues Toby Harnden.

The first book about a new administration by Bob Woodward, Washington’s court chronicler, usually promises to be the high watermark for an incoming commander-in-chief.
Officials are reluctant to dish the dirt because they have the chance of years of employment ahead of them. The cynic might think that a positive portrayal helps position the Watergate scribbler nicely for access next time.
[…]
Perhaps the most revealing aspect of the coverage of it is that the White House is so delusional it seems to think their man has come out of it rather well. In fact, Woodward’s book will further damage Obama and could not have come at a worse time.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll finds him at an all-time low of 42 per cent approval, against 54 per cent who disapprove.

CNN are to democratic polling what NOAA is to temperature records. So when Bazza has a 42% approval rating things really are really quite bad.
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September 26, 2010 5:14pm
Jack5

Joe90 at 12.39 links to a report of the stoning to death of a minority, non-Muslim Kurdish woman to show that not all retarded savages are Muslim.

Interestingly the report itself links to a followup where 23 members of the sect were murdered in cold blood in reprisal for the woman’s murder, allegedly because she was converting to Islam.

Who woulda thunk that, Joe?
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September 26, 2010 5:48pm
krazykiwi

Brazilian artist Gil Vicente poses in front of his paintings …

… depicting himself killing Ariel Sharon, Pope Benedict XVI, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, former US President George W Bush, Queen Elizabeth II and Brazil’s former President Henrique Cardoso from the series “Inimigos” at the 29th Sao Paulo International Biennial

I note he prefers a knife for his own president.. while resorting to a gun for the others!
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September 26, 2010 5:54pm
Fletch

krazykiwi, the guy must be mental or something ……

Meanwhile, The Wachowski’s (not the Wachowski Brothers, because one of them may have had a a sex change) are reported to be making a new film called Cobalt Neural 9. What is it about? Two men, both of them soldiers, one American called “Butch”, and one Iraqi who have a homosexual affair in the field and then decide to kill George W Bush. Really??

As for the plot, the film is set in the future but is told through flashbacks of “found footage” from CNN and old digital cameras from the US occupation of Iraq. Through these devices, the story of a US soldier ironically named “Butch” and an Iraqi solder turned militant unfolds. Yes, they do become lovers and yes, there are graphic sex scenes (the script describes one as “they rut like animals behind this fence”), but the drama of the story revolves after the two soldiers’ love affair blossoms.

Butch’s interest in the Iraqi soldier draws interest to his family’s ancestral home, and after that, according to Vulture, “disaster strikes.” The blog doesn’t specify what the disaster is, but the results of the tragedy radicalizes the two lovers and they decide to set out on a mission to assassinate the war’s architect (haha, “Matrix” reference), then US president George W. Bush.

I’m assuming that the Wachowski who may have had the sex change is the one with the pink hair in the photo.

The world just gets more perverse every day.
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September 26, 2010 6:57pm
HarryGlicken

Sunday night humour,im a dog lover…..

Cat Lover or Not, this is Hysterical!

We’ve all had trouble with our animals, but I don’t think anyone can top this one:

Calling in sick to work makes me uncomfortable. No matter how legitimate my excuse, I always get the feeling that my boss thinks I’m lying.

On one recent occasion, I had a valid reason but lied anyway, because the truth was just too darned humiliating. I simply mentioned that I had sustained a head injury, and I hoped I would feel up to coming in the next day. By then, I reasoned, I could think up a doozy to explain the bandage on the top of my head. The accident occurred mainly because I had given in to my wife’s wishes to adopt a cute little kitty.
Initially, the new acquisition was no problem.

Then one morning, I was taking my shower after breakfast when I heard my wife, Deb, call out to me from the kitchen.

‘Honey! The garbage disposal is dead again. Please come reset it.’

‘You know where the button is,’ I protested through the shower pitter-patter and steam.. ‘Reset it yourself!’

‘But I’m scared!’ she persisted. ‘What if it starts going and sucks me in?’

There was a meaningful pause and then, ‘C’mon, it’ll only take you a second.’

So out I came, dripping wet and butt naked, hoping that my silent outraged nudity would make a statement about how I perceived her behaviour as extremely cowardly.

Sighing loudly, I squatted down and stuck my head under the sink to find the button. It is the last action I remember performing.

It struck without warning, and without any respect to my circumstances. No, it wasn’t the hexed disposal, drawing me into its gnashing metal teeth. It was our new kitty, who discovered the fascinating dangling objects she spied hanging between my legs. She had been poised around the corner and stalked me as I reached under the sink. And, at the precise moment when I was most vulnerable, she leapt at the toys I unwittingly offered and snagged them with her needle-like claws. I lost all rational thought to control orderly bodily movements, blindly rising at a violent rate of speed, with the full weight of a kitten hanging from my masculine region.

Wild animals are sometimes faced with a ‘fight or flight’ syndrome. Men, in this predicament, choose only the ‘flight’ option. I know this from experience. I was fleeing straight up into the air when the sink and cabinet bluntly and forcefully impeded my ascent.
The impact knocked me out cold.

When I awoke, my wife and the paramedics stood over me.

Now there are not many things in this life worse than finding oneself lying on the kitchen floor butt naked in front of a group of ‘been-there, done-that’ paramedics.
Even worse, having been fully briefed by my wife, the paramedics were all snorting loudly as they tried to conduct their work, all the while trying to suppress their hysterical laughter……and not succeeding..

Somehow I lived through it all. A few days later I finally made it back in to the office, where colleagues tried to coax an explanation out of me about my head injury. I kept silent, claiming it was too painful to talk about, which it was.

‘What’s the matter?’ They all asked, ‘Cat got your tongue?’
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September 26, 2010 7:11pm
Kris K

Yvette 3:49 pm,

Concern over NZ halal lamb
The organisation representing the country’s meat exporters is concerned about the reputation New Zealand lamb has in Britain, with people saying they will not buy it because it is halal.

“Some British restaurant chains were also serving up halal meat without telling customers”, an article in the Daily Mail pointed out, and that 70 percent of New Zealand lamb exports to Britain were halal, but this was not stated on the label.
Is meat for sale in New Zealand shops halal or not and is it labelled as such?

Having had personal experience with meatworks – I was part of a small group of engineers who redesigned the Beef Slaughter chain at Wellington’s Taylor Preston Ltd – I can give you the low down on Halal slaughter methods and typical percentage breakdowns of Halal vs non-Halal.

Method of Halal slaughter (same for beef or mutton):
• Slaughterman must be a certified Halal slaughterman (and a male practicing Muslim).
• Animal is stunned electically (but not killed).
• Animal is oriented so that it points towards Mecca.
• Slaughterman says Muslim prayer while cutting animals throat and allowing to bleed out.

Typical breakdown for a given works – Halal vs non-Halal:
If a works has ANY component which is exported to Muslim countries then ALL of the throughput is slaughtered in accordance with Halal certification. This includes exports to non-Muslim countries AND all Local Trade (ie for our local market).

So, for example, in Wellington’s case because the Taylor side (of Taylor Preston Ltd) of the business is concerned with export only, and mainly to Muslim countries, then all exports out of Wellington are Halal. And as the Preston side of the business is Local Trade to Wellington and environs, and because no distinction is made between export and local trade regarding slaughter methods, then ALL of Wellington’s Local Trade is also Halal.

So the ONLY works which are non-Halal are those which a) if export, do not export to Muslim countries, OR b) are dedicated to Local Trade only.

So all you Wellingtonians, when you purchase beef or mutton products you are eating Halal prepared meat.

Yet another example of how the Muslim world dictates how we live our lives in the West.
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September 26, 2010 7:32pm
reid

“Yet another example of how the Muslim world dictates how we live our lives in the West.”

Kris I hadn’t actually noticed that Muslim customers were demanding that we sell them our product, rather that if WE want to sell it to them, then we need to meet their standards. Which is what we do for everyone else here in the capitalist world.

So just precisely how is it dictatorial?
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September 26, 2010 7:43pm
bhudson

Kris,

And the problem with this is what exactly? Will we become infected with “mohammedism” because the animal was killed by a Muslim.

I freely admit I have little to no understanding on the mechanics of Halal slaughter, but from what I have been told, under their conditions and practise, the animal is less likely to be stressed at the time of slaughter and less likely to have the likes of adrenalin coursing through its veins. As a result the meat is supposed to be more tender than a traditional koiwoi works.

IF that is, in fact, the case, I’ll take Halal anytime thanks. We cannot hope to get real ‘home kill’ type beef in the city, so anything that comes even remotely close is a great thing.
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September 26, 2010 7:46pm
Luc Hansen

wat dabney

Same old, same old, wrong headed contrarianism.

The good news for you is that you will find plenty of mates here.

The bad news for you is that you are as deluded as krazykiwi and others here. Oh, let’s not forget John Boscowan and Don Nichelson, who for some reason are determined to do as much disservice to the human race as they can manage.

Never mind. I’ll be catching up with Boscowan tomorrow in the Glenfield Hall. His stance on the F&S is as ignorant as on climate change so I’m looking forward to a fun question time!
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September 26, 2010 7:48pm
Kris K

HarryGlicken 7:11 pm,

Sunday night humour,im a dog lover…..

Cat Lover or Not, this is Hysterical!

When you eventually got back to work, Harry, and your collegues quized you about your head injury, you didn’t think to mention that your head injury was due to your cat deciding to become an omnivore?

Rather than just restricting herself to a carnivore’s diet, she decided she would broaden her tastes by incorporating two vege with her meat. This is where you drop your daks and reveal her handiwork to your collegues. 😉

PS I take it your wife is now a dab hand at resetting the waste disposal unit?
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September 26, 2010 7:49pm
bhudson

Luc,

Good evening. Will you be introducing yourself as “intellectually bankrupt” at that meeting?

Is the F&S bill the work of several gorups working together to undermine the rights of others? Do you feel your intellectual balance slipping further into deficit? [That’s a rhetoric question by the way – we know the answer as you have already denounced yourself enough in the past.]

How are your international friends? Are they over your condemnation of Ahmadinejad yet?
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September 26, 2010 7:52pm
Pete George

No real surprises in the latest poll:

National: 54% (up 5)
Labour: 32% (down 3)
Greens: 8%
NZ First: 2.4%
Maori Party: 2.3%
Act Party: 1.1%

Preferred Prime Minister
Key: 52% (up 7)
Goff: 8%

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/surge-in-popularity-national-poll-3801507
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September 26, 2010 7:52pm
Repton

And the problem with this is what exactly? Will we become infected with “mohammedism” because the animal was killed by a Muslim.

Halal killing is (I think) done “in the name of Allah”. If you’re not religious, you know this has no effect, so you don’t care.

If you are religious, but you don’t believe in Allah, then you should still regard this as having no effect.

The only people who would be concerned are those who don’t worship Allah, but who still believe he exists.
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September 26, 2010 9:00pm
Luc Hansen

bhudson

1. No. I’ll be introducing myself as Luc Hansen.

2. No. It’s just the combined force of like-minded white supremacists who can’t quite let go of their colonial wet dreams.

3. A pass on rhetorical questions is accepted.

4. One Palestinian still recovering from a broken nose gratuitously inflicted, with impunity from the nearby IDF soldiers, by a “settler” and a couple of Americans disgusted with the wave of Islamophobia sweeping the US.

5. We all wish that Ahmadinejad leaves the international stage ASAP. But we are not Iranians, so that’s out of our hands.

I do hope you get well soon from your lifetime of delusional thought. I hear there are pills available. Ask your doctor.
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September 26, 2010 9:01pm
bhudson

Luc,

1. A shame. I understand that, like AA, its the first step in the healing process

2. So you don’t think they are working together then? Or is it you just don’t want to have to fess up to yourself?

3. No problem – you were asked not to comment

4. I don’t recall mentioning Palestinians.

I am not delusional – I merely hold you to your own words and thoughts Luc. Surely you have no wish to be hypocrite?

5. Glad you agree. I’m sure that feeling will be more prevalent should his name some up again in your posts (unlike in the past)

Integrity Luc. Its all any of us could possibly expect of you.
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September 26, 2010 9:09pm
Viking2

Saint took no vow of silence over sex scandal
Miles Godfrey
September 26, 2010

Mary MacKillop

Mary MacKillop

THE order of nuns co-founded by Mary MacKillop has confirmed that Australia’s first saint was excommunicated by the Catholic Church for exposing a paedophile priest.

An ABC1 documentary about MacKillop’s life reports that she was punished in 1871 for reporting child abuse to the authorities.

Previous theories surrounding the excommunication have been vague, with the Catholic Church still stating ”alleged insubordination” as the reason on the sydney.catholic.org.au website. The website of the Sisters of Saint Joseph of the Sacred Heart, the order MacKillop co-founded in 1866, describes the punishment simply as a ”misunderstanding”, without giving details.

Others have claimed MacKillop was excommunicated for inciting fellow nuns ”to disobedience and defiance” or over her methods and beliefs.

But the ABC’s Compass program says Bishop Laurence Sheil ordered the punishment after MacKillop reported child abuse by Father Keating from the Kapunda parish, north of Adelaide.

MacKillop and the Josephite sisters reported the abuse to the vicar-general and disciplinary action was taken against Keating, humiliating him and angering a Father Charles Horan, who was close to Bishop Shiel.

Horan is believed to have harboured a grudge against MacKillop and the whistleblowers in her order, and used his influence over the bishop to manipulate him into throwing the nun out of the church.

The Sisters of Saint Joseph said the ABC’s account was entirely accurate.

MacKillop was excommunicated, aged 29, about five years after co-founding the order in Penola, South Australia.

Bishop Sheil revoked the punishment on his deathbed some five months later, according to official accounts.

The order of sisters flourished, opening schools across Australia, helping to educate poor children and those in need, activities they continue today.

The order now has 850 nuns ministering in seven countries.

MacKillop is to become Australia’s first saint on October 17, following years of lobbying to the Vatican.

The ceremony will be broadcast live on television and on the internet.

AAP

Mary, Miracles and Saints is to air on ABC1 on October 10.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/saint-took-no-vow-of-silence-over-sex-scandal-20100925-15ro4.html
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September 26, 2010 9:11pm
Viking2

http://www.randomhouse.com.au/Default/Page/General/Section/hellonthewaytoheaven/?utm_source=TheAge&utm_medium=HalfPageSkins&utm_campaign=HellontheWaytoHeaven
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September 26, 2010 9:15pm
Luc Hansen

bhudson

You asked about my international friends. I replied in all sincerity.

That’s about all I can sensibly reply to from your last post which does seem to indicate a degree of detachment from reality.

Bit like John Boscowan, really.
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September 26, 2010 9:17pm
krazykiwi

bhudson:

Integrity Luc. Its all any of us could possibly expect of you.

Give it some time bhudson… you’ll learn that “Luc Hansen” is an integrity free zone.
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September 26, 2010 9:48pm
Angus

Hurf Durf is right. Luc Hansen Is Malcolm Caldwell reincarnated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Caldwell
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September 26, 2010 9:57pm
tom hunter

I don’t know about the Caldwell reincarnation – but I see the FBI is hot on the trail of a bunch of Luc Hansen’s in Minnesota.

The FBI raided the Minneapolis homes of five antiwar activists, including three leaders of the Twin Cities peace movement, Friday morning as part of what it called a probe of “activities concerning the material support of terrorism.”

The Minneapolis office of an antiwar organization was also raided, protest leaders said. No one was arrested in any of the raids.

The FBI grabbed computers, cell phones, and documents. It will be interesting to see how this goes since they arose out of a grand jury investigation in Chicago. However, one of the people raided was a guy named Mick Kelly. It turns out that Mr Kelly is exactly the sort you’d expect to be involved as he proclaims (in an interview attached to the Star Tribune website) his right “to stand in solidarity with people abroad who are struggling for freedom and independence”. I’ll bet. He’s been doing this since the Vietnam War of course.

Then there’s Meredith Aby:

Revolution & Socialism in Latin America
Wednesday, 10/4 @ 7pm @ May Day Bookstore, 301 Cedar Ave – 1 block west of the Carlson School of Mgmt, on the West Bank of the U of M, Mpls

Every week in the news the topics of revolution & socialism are raised in discussion of the Caribbean, Central & South America. Come hear from Meredith Aby, Jessica Sundin, & Erika Zurawski, who have recently returned from meeting with revolutionaries in Colombia, Ecuador, & Venezuela, on the prospects for revolutionary socialism in Latin America. http://www.frso.org

Ms. Aby teaches US Government, Civics, and World History at a public high school in Bloomington, MN. No wonder Zinn’s People’s History of the United States has sold so well in schools.

It’s all so similar to Mr Hansen. Comrades in arms so to speak. As one blog noted, their “support” has not really changed in 40 years: they’re not pro-human rights, pro-humanist and they were not against war at all; they were just on the other side.

That last is Luc Hansen to a tee.
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September 26, 2010 10:47pm
bhudson

Luc,

It’s simply about integrity. How can you have any if you are intellectually bankrupt? Your words Luc – your judgement.

We wish you a speedy recovery. Remember – getting over your denial is the first positive step in your healing
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September 26, 2010 10:58pm
Redbaiter

“they were not against war at all; they were just on the other side.”

Traitors in fact.
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September 26, 2010 11:50pm
Pete George

There will always be some with extreme views on either side, but it probably won’t take long for anyone with any criticism of unjustified war to be branded as “on the other side”, just like the “with us or against us” manipulation.

Traitors in fact.

Do they try and start revolution, call for “freedom fighters”, keep running their country down and want all democratically MP’s removed from office?
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September 27, 2010 6:43am
joana

Opponents of animal cruelty are opposed to halal slaughter on this basis. The RSPCA in the UK are notoriously silent on this issue.
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September 27, 2010 9:47am

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