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September 24, 2010 9:15am by David Farrar

General Debate 24 September 2010

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..I see the great racist john harawira is on TV Ones Sunday programme this week…oohh cant wait to hear him bagging the bad thieving white man again…I wont be watching , have got some naval lint that needs attention…
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September 24, 2010 5:26pm
reid

“Wait, reid – are you saying Israel should be funding and running “normal community operations such as schools, hospitals and other infrastructure ” in Gaza?”

No I was contrasting what Hamas does for the people of Gaza in the way of good works, with what the much more powerful and resource-rich Israel does for them.

“reid – Israel can do nothing but evil in your eyes so there’s little point in trying to discuss this.”

kk, you may be surprised to know that until about ten years ago I saw Israel in exactly the light that you and RightNow and many many others here see it. I’ve been there.

Fact is, when you drop the mindless ideology that is Israel-firstism-no-matter-what-cause-she’s-lovely you begin to understand why half the world have never liked her. You begin to see that since the birth of that State with crimes like the bombing of the King David hotel which killed British servicemen who were at that time playing the role that present day is played by the US, which BTW was committed by the Irgun gang, led by future PM, Menachim Begin. You begin to see things like all through her history, Israel has behaved like this. Not once, has she ever behaved otherwise.

It’s beyond argument that she is not under existential threat while she has 300+ nukes. That just takes everything out of the equation, vis-a-vis the security necessity to adopt this posture. Yet still she does it. All the time.

And those of you who support that behaviour, have no justification but instead practice shallow denial that it even, in fact, happens.

Which is really surprising, given you’re all very astute in every other area.

Simple as that, really.
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September 24, 2010 5:40pm
tom hunter

Luc,

don’t accuse me of being an Islamophobe.

Wasting your time bhudson. Luc lives for this sort of filth – it’s his standard attack line in place of an intellectual argument. He first learnt it back in the 1970’s when he was supporting the North Vietnamese and Cambodian butchers: instead of arguing about how fantastic the poeple’s revolution would be he just went around taunting WWII veterans by screaming raaaaacist, raaaacist in their face during protest marches.

Of course back in those days the poor old buggers were reduced to spluttering about the Maori mates they’d had in the war and after – but that was just greeted with malicious and gleeful laughter by Luc. He’d got what he wanted by putting them on the defensive with cruel, vicious attacks and he did not have to do anymore except trundle back to the flat for the swingers wife-swapping party.

Nowadays the racist taunt has degenerated to farce, so he’s been forced to up his game to the standard of your average 1970’s commissar, with Islamophobe – something that implies it can be cured with few drug treatments in some far-off gulag.

I wouldn’t worry about it. Once he’s had a good shag and stoned a few gays to death on the weekend he’ll be in a better mood.
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September 24, 2010 5:56pm
reid

“So that’s a yes on the hat?”

RightNow, do you have one with tassles?
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September 24, 2010 5:56pm
Pete George

Reid, you just have to live with the fact that if you criticise Israel at all you are totally against them, and if you praise anything Hamas does you totally support everything they do.

That’s how it works here. Simple as that, really.
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September 24, 2010 5:56pm
RightNow

1) reid – what colour tassles would you like?
2) reid – “No I was contrasting what Hamas does for the people of Gaza in the way of good works, with what the much more powerful and resource-rich Israel does for them.” – it is my opinion (from what I read around the web) that the flow of good deeds between Gaza and Israel is very much one sided – from Israel to Gaza there are daily truckloads of aid, from Gaza to Israel there are rocket attacks.
3) Pete – yes there certainly are polarised opinions, and I have to include myself among them. I don’t see Hamas as anything but self-serving and while I don’t believe Israel are 100% pure I do think they have spent more time in possession of the moral high ground in this conflict. Most recently it would seem Hamas killed 4 Israelis (including a pregnant woman) to derail the peace process. I know there are many opinions etc about it, but that is my view. Most particularly galling to me is the United Nations farce, the HRC, which is stacked with countries that have appalling human rights records. That they get any oxygen or funding is absolutely abhorrent to me. They’re part of the problem, more so than Israel.

That’s my condensed version of my views on the subject – I realise there are many more factors at play and to discuss, but it’s also Friday night and I have a late pass.
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September 24, 2010 7:07pm
F E Smith

Hey, kowtow, do you mean something like this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-11396980
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September 24, 2010 7:09pm
Pete George

This shouldn’t surprise anyone.

From start, Bush team focused on war with Iraq

Former president George W. Bush’s advisers focused on toppling Saddam Hussein’s regime as soon as he took office and discussed how to justify a war in Iraq shortly after invading Afghanistan in 2001.

Rumsfeld told a Pentagon lawyer to go to his deputy to get “support” showing a supposed link between the Iraqi regime and Al-Qaeda’s founder, according to the papers posted by the Washington-based National Security Archive, an independent research institute.

The US government has since acknowledged that Saddam’s regime had no role in the 9/11 attacks.

In June and July of 2001, senior administration officials seized on intercepted aluminum tubes as proof that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons, even before a preliminary assessment of the tubes, according to two State Department memos to then secretary of state Colin Powell.

Confronting Iraq was also the focus of a July 2001 memo to the national security adviser at the time, Condoleezza Rice, with Rumsfeld urging a high-level meeting on policy towards Baghdad.

Another document shows Rumsfeld discussing war plans for Iraq just two months after the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan. In a meeting with the then head of US Central Command, General Tommy Franks, the defense chief tells him to ready forces for the “decapitation” of the Iraqi regime.
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September 24, 2010 7:14pm
reid

“1) reid – what colour tassles would you like?”

Green and blue, RightNow.

Thanks for the elucidation, hopefully we can pick it up at some other time, it seems to come up now and then.

I’m assuming these hats are the ones with the special antenna disguised as beer cans with that straw thing and with the giant hands on top, which as we well know are the covers for the radar dishes? You know, I still think, what a very clever ploy it was, whoever came up with that disguise was really thinking, weren’t they.

And some don’t even think they’re real. Farken hell, can you believe it?
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September 24, 2010 7:16pm
reid

Pete it’s sad isn’t it that some people still don’t, nay refuse to, recognise what they clearly, actually, really, in fact, did.

Sadder that even though many of us knew it as it unfolded, nothing was done.

Look at the history of the blogs and the sites back in 2002 onward, if you don’t buy that the info was there in the first place. It was, I read it.

Shocking, really.
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September 24, 2010 7:46pm
Banana Llama

“Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers”

This made me lol, thanks Reid – 4:18 pm

I do love a good alien story but why would they give a damm about the natives bow and arrows?
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September 24, 2010 9:05pm
MikeNZ

Reid you are so gullible.
reid (4,924) Says:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

Hamas does all those things
1. to keep control of the people
2. to keep control of the money & elicit more from the EU and Scandanavians
3. to hide amongst the women and children

Duh!

But then you have proven yourself to be an apologist enough times for me to know you.
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September 24, 2010 9:15pm
MikeNZ

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/constitutional_law_trumps_shar.html

Whilst I don’t advocate burning Korans.

I do advocate stopping all building of new mosques or additions to existing ones until New churches are able to be built throughout Islamic lands. and the Christian peopels who have been denied the rebuilding of their homes and churches in Islamic lands either by mob brutality and also those affected by the Boxing day tsunami.

Further I advocate stopping all Muslim immigration and refugees into the West, until such time as they give up all desire or inclination to live under Sharia law for ever as it is against the human rights of most Western countries and the UN.
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September 24, 2010 9:20pm
reid

Mike,

Hamas would not exist were Israel reasonable. Period.

Duh.
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September 24, 2010 9:40pm
krazykiwi

reid:

Hamas would not exist were Israel reasonable. Period. Duh.

Nonsense. Hamas would not exist if Israel did not exist.

Reason does not come into it, unless you consider it reasonable for Hamas to pledge to increase their terrorist activities on hearing of direct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.
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September 24, 2010 10:01pm
reid

So say Israel since it was established had shared its wealth and access to western markets with its immediate neighbours, all through the 50’s, 60’s, etc. Would that have exacerbated or alleviated the issue? Say it had taken every effort to do that, for generations. etc.
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September 24, 2010 10:14pm
krazykiwi

177 taxpayer-funded bodies are to be abolished under Coalition plans seen by The Daily Telegraph.

A further 94 are still under threat of being scrapped, four will be privatised and 129 will be merged, according to a Cabinet Office [list] compiled this week.

Some gems:
– Advisory Committee on Packaging
– Darwin Advisory Committee
– Hearing Aid Council
– National Joint Registry Steering Committee
– Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee
– Teachers TV Board
– Veterinary Residues Committee
– Women’s National Commission

Cue screams of socialist outrage about how the UK will disintegrate without these, and other formerly esteemed organisations
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September 24, 2010 10:20pm
krazykiwi

reid – Nil impact. This is a religious intolerance issue, not one of distribution of economic resources, evident as over 30 billion foreign aid has been allocated to the Palestinian Arabs in the last ten years.
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September 24, 2010 10:26pm
reid

“This is a religious intolerance issue, not one of distribution of economic resources”

kk, it’s neither.

Fact is, Israel] are going to endure years of mind-numbing pain in their very being, in the exact equivalence to the pain they inflicted upon the individuals who’ve been mistakenly blown apart or otherwise murdered over the years. It’s karma. Can’t escape it.

It’s starting.
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September 24, 2010 11:14pm
kowtow

FE Smith @709;

that’s exactly the point. Note the police statement that they want to maintain community relations. It’s no longer about crime and the law. It’s ensuring the native English are forced into submission in a multicultural Britain. Richard the Lionheart should never have bothered!
Interestingly people can march against the Pope with all sorts of “offensive” material displayed (quite rightly in a democracy) in Britain w/o fear of arrest. Oh but the Pope isn’t Muslim,so there’s no fear of “racial” offense in this case and there’s no real danger of Catholics burning Britain down( at least not nowadays anyway).So let’s lift the whiteys burning a book FFS.
It will be interesting if it goes to charges.
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September 24, 2010 11:58pm
Viking2

So, how many more are going to die (and they are not all hard core criminals, some are bystanders) before we get real and address this issue?

The chase is still on
By Phil Taylor
5:30 AM Saturday Sep 25, 2010

Sixteen people have died this year after vehicle pursuits by police. The toll has renewed high-level pressure on police bosses to review pursuit policy .

All 11 fatal police pursuits this year arose from traffic infringements, putting pressure on police to tighten pursuit policy.

An international expert in police pursuits says New Zealand’s policy which enables high-speed chases for minor offences is 20 years out of date.

Judge pressures police chiefs over car-chase deaths
By Phil Taylor
5:30 AM Saturday Sep 25, 2010

The country’s top policemen were summoned to a meeting with the judge heading the Independent Police Conduct Authority following the latest police pursuit fatalities last weekend.

Authority chairwoman Justice Lowell Goddard, QC, pressed Police Commissioner Howard Broad and his deputy, Viv Rickard, to continue to review police pursuit policy.

The meeting was held on Monday at the IPCA, three days after two teenagers died following a police pursuit sparked by a minor offence.

Their deaths brought the total this year to 16, from 11 fatal pursuits – the worst on record.

The previous highest annual total was six deaths in 2008.

Mr Broad had announced in June – after the fourth review by police in six years – that pursuit policy needed only minor tweaking.

Eight people have died since, in four fatal pursuits.

In their review, the police ignored two key recommendations made by the IPCA, which did its own study of pursuit fatalities last year.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10676002
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September 25, 2010 9:07am
Pete George

We could just get the police to give up on worrying about anti-social crimes like they seem to have in the UK as per posts above:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/general_debate_24_september_2010.html#comment-743226
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September 25, 2010 9:18am
Put it away

Reid, could you take your hand off your cock when you fantasise about jews suffering, it’s undignified.
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September 25, 2010 9:18am

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