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September 1, 2010 9:05am by David Farrar

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MyNameIsJack

Jesusfuckingchristonanicecreamstick, glad you’re back, d4j. I have really missed your contributions.

See you’ve moved again, what’s happened? Email me at igiveashit@thevatican.com
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September 1, 2010 8:05pm
dad4justice

Q ; How many blogger names does Paul use?

A; Satanic insanity has no bounds.
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September 1, 2010 8:07pm
dad4justice

“See you’ve moved again,”

You will need to explain that statement in a Court one day silly hateful Paul.
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September 1, 2010 8:13pm
Luc Hansen

Hurfie Durfie

Lots of similarities for those with a mind open enough to examine history.

In today’s world the French resistance would be dubbed a terrorist organisation, for sure, and Obama would send drones after them. Governments stick together, you know.

As regards the Taliban, if NATO wasn’t there, they wouldn’t be attacked and killed. 19 US troops, that’s just US troops, killed from Saturday to Tuesday. Needless waste of life. Just leave them alone to sort themselves out.

KK

Hamas can be barbaric, I agree. But surely you must agree that their barbarity pales besides the mounting crimes of Israel.
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September 1, 2010 8:14pm
dad4justice

Oh forgot to let you know that I am going to You Tube your malicious recorded phone calls.
Suck on that Paul.

[DPF: Okay you two knock it off]
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September 1, 2010 8:18pm
Hurf Durf

As regards the Taliban, if NATO wasn’t there, they wouldn’t be attacked and killed.

Using the same logic, if murder wasn’t a crime, the crime stats would be excellent because no one would be tried for it.

Just leave them alone to sort themselves out.

Fucking brilliant, let’s go back to the early 1990s and let the warlords and Taliban slaughter each other and cut off people’s noses again.

You’re a dolt and the more you speak, the more my soul screams in anguish and desperation. And in doing so I’ve ignored my own advice. Damn you.
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September 1, 2010 8:29pm
mikeysmokes

What a great thread, outstanding
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September 1, 2010 8:45pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf Durf

Resistance to a foreign invasion is not a crime.

I just fail to understand how even worse atrocities by us, the West, NATO, is OK but those by the Taliban are rightly condemned. What’s your answer, Hurf?

And the simple fact is that the warlords remain empowered and when our troops leave, whenever that may be, things will return to normal. The thing is, they live there, we don’t. We will leave. They won’t.

Grow up.
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September 1, 2010 9:02pm
Hurf Durf

So why is it Afghan civilians overwhelmingly would rather have NATO stalking the landscape than the Taliban setting fire to it? And why do the Iraqis continue to want Americans in the country to guarantee its fragile stability?

It’s not a “national resistance” in any sense of the phrase, it’s the same 10,000-ish idiots trained and armed by the Iranians who fought in Lebanon in the 1980s, Bosnia and Somalia in the 1990s, moved to Afghanistan, then to Iraq and Somalia, back to Afghanistan and are now setting up shop in Yemen. Wipe them out and the threat diminishes significantly.

NATO continues to occupy Germany sixty years after the end of the Second World War. Since when have things returned to normal there?

Grow up.
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September 1, 2010 9:17pm
Luc Hansen

Germany got the Marshall Plan.

Afghans are just going to be deserted.

Those “10,000 idiots” who have been fighting since 1982 and are in the process of defeating Nato (how many troops do we have there?) must be not only aging, but also pretty damn good!

Like Iraq, you will find Afghanistan will be divided along ethnic lines. I don’t see the Pashtun Taleban retaking the country unless Pakistan goes anti-US – and I don’t see that happening. Sucking on the tit is addictive.
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September 1, 2010 9:34pm
Hurf Durf

Afghans are just going to be deserted.

What you mean is that you want them to be deserted, like you wanted Iraq to be deserted. With friends like you, who needs enemies?

Those “10,000 idiots” who have been fighting since 1982 and are in the process of defeating Nato (how many troops do we have there?) must be not only aging, but also pretty damn good!

Around 90,000. What retards like you don’t understand is that A) insurgency wars take a long time to fight and B) generally, the strategies take a long time to implement. There is no Waterloo or Stalingrad here and there never will be.

Thankfully the retardedly restrictive ROEs are being revised so hopefully the social worker approach that hasn’t really worked over the last few years which has been only partially lifted under Ebola will be stripped off and allow for the Taliban’s proper destruction and removal into the history books next to the LTTE.
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September 1, 2010 9:40pm
Luc Hansen

Boring stuff, Hurf.

I showed how ridiculous your take on the resistance is, but you just bat on. Iraq is a country destroyed. One million dead. One and one half million IDPs. Another 2 million at least refugees in other countries. A great success?

Afghanistan is a war of attrition, and democracies don’t do well in these wars. McCrystal was only in charge for about one year, so your ROE’s are pretty much irrelevant.

Tens of thousands of Afghans have already been killed in the conflict, yet the resistance is getting stronger. How many wogs do you want to kill again?
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September 1, 2010 9:59pm
Hurf Durf

You lost all credibility with the one million dead canard. “A great success?” Where did I say that? Is this the renowned Puke Hansen delusion setting in?

democracies don’t do well in these wars.

Not with fifth columnists like you so infecting the body politic.

yet the terrorists are getting stronger.

Cite your source.

I feel sorry for your kid.
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September 1, 2010 10:05pm
Luc Hansen

Resistance, Hurf, resistance.

And if the resistance wasn’t getting stronger, why Obama’s surge?

Just logic, Hurfie.
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September 1, 2010 10:21pm
Hurf Durf

Terrorists, Puke, terrorists.

Because you can’t fight an insurgency on a shoestring.

Just logic, Pukie.
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September 1, 2010 10:29pm
tom hunter

You lost all credibility with the one million dead canard.

Luc still thinks he’s sitting in a debating hall where he can, Zinn-like, just pull “facts” out of his ass to dramatically make an emotive point, and then move on.

I don’t think he’s quite figured out the nature of blog debates, where links to support such facts are required and where those links can be explored and dissected to see if they’re bullshit too – and where there’s no crowd to gin the emotions higher and win the debate by using them to shout people down.

Still, I think it’s worth engaging him – if he doesn’t learn he’ll provide very cheap entertainment and, as with potty training, even near misses must be encouraged.
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September 1, 2010 10:41pm
wikiriwhis business

“Libertarians are having a slobbering leftist-style romance with Islam while purposely ignoring 1,400 years of hatred designed to fuel the murders all non-Muslims. They make absurd excuses for Islamic violence in order to condemn mosque protestors and American troops stationed in the Middle East as oppressors of freedom.

Do libertarians actually think Islam would spare their heads by returning this left-wing love ?”

WOW!!

An attack on Libertarians. Never seen it in NZ b4. I am impressed. Libertarianz must be getting traction at last.

Tim Wikiriwhi for Hamilton Council!!!!
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September 1, 2010 10:49pm
krazykiwi

Hamas can be barbaric, I agree. But surely you must agree that their barbarity pales besides the mounting crimes of Israel

No, I don’t agree.
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September 1, 2010 10:51pm
TimG_Oz

No, I don’t agree.

Neither do pretty much any sane, reasonable people with the facts available to them.
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September 2, 2010 12:09am
jcuknz

What Hamas do seems to be pretty harmless to the murderous activities of the IDF …sending numerous rockets which merely damage property and scare hell of of the Israeli, as it would me if I were there pales into insignificance compared to the murdering of hundreds in the Lebanan and the recent nine peaceful protestors by a comando gang going wrong ….sorry you blinkers Israeli supporters … I used to think the IDF were wonderful fighting for their independence but I know better now despite the propaganda onslaught one gets whenever the subject is raised … Israeli supporters simply don’t live in the real world …. a sad fact of life.
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September 2, 2010 5:08am
jcuknz

But what I really came on to say is while I support compulsory saving for retirement as the current poll I really feel rather sorry for people trying to save for their retirement and wondering where to place their funds what with the current SCF debacle and numerous previous goings on which simply show that New Zealanders just don’t know how to manage money properly and it is the blind leading the blind astray in a wild west uncontrolled economy without adequate penalties of incompetent management. Where managers hide behind their companies and walk away un scathed relatively compared to those whose money has been stolen from them and wasted by incompetence. Really capitalism doesn’t have much going for it, while socialism also has its evils …. when will we work out a happy medium? Which provides the safety net while providing opportunity for individual enterprise without wasting the world’s resources.
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September 2, 2010 5:19am
Pete George

“Really capitalism doesn’t have much going for it, while socialism also has its evils …. when will we work out a happy medium?”

When we find a way of stopping bastards from rorting whatever system is in place. It’s not so much the political ideals that are the problem, it’s the corruption and abuse of them.
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September 2, 2010 7:48am
MikeNZ

Tom

Potty Training, just priceless 🙂

Now that’s a worldview to operate from, I might rethink my rip.
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September 2, 2010 8:16am

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