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krazykiwi

“Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.”

— Oscar Wilde
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September 16, 2010 9:16am
Murray

Feudalism is good, that works well.

Not for everyone, but it works.
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September 16, 2010 9:20am
Pete George

Is the “Tea Party” going to help the Dems keep their majorities? They will at least help stem the swing.

O’Donnell winning the Delaware nomination is an interesting case. The GOP establishment supported a widely popular moderate candidate, Mike Castle, but out of state Tea Party interests, supported by Palin, have installed their own candidate and succeeded. Now Biden’s old seat is seen as contestable again for the Dems, and the GOP are not happy.

WaPo online poll – Do you think the primary results make the GOP less likely to win the Senate in November?
No – 18%
Yes – 77%
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September 16, 2010 9:24am
mawm

It is great to see that we have some politicians will balls in our parliament, ones who have actually used initiative and done something daring. Right on Garret, straight out of a le Carre novel. Far better than all the shemales that fill the opposition benches.

A question for the rabid lefties – How can Goff, day after day, keep on attacking National about its alcohol policy when he has a convicted drink driver sitting next to him? Mmmm.

[DPF: 10 demerits for shemales]
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September 16, 2010 9:25am
James Stephenson

mawm – it seems to me, watching the glee on the face of Espiner.G last night (and shouting “oh shut *up* you sanctimonious wanker” at the electric fish tank) that the media have decided that getting rid of Act is the only way to give Labour a show of winning the next election…
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September 16, 2010 9:29am
MyNameIsJack

No one keeps a pot boiling better than the yanks.

US$60 billion in arms sales to the homeland of 17 of the 9/11 hijackers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11288683
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September 16, 2010 9:35am
mawm

James – to th left, the Act Party are the VFRW and have to be demonised on every occasion. The Act party are neither RW nor significant, but I applaud David Garrett for his initiative and his manner of handling exposure of his misdemeanours. It is the diametric opposite to that skanky hag that used to occupy the top floor.

[DPF: 10 demerits for skanky hag]
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September 16, 2010 9:37am
david

Man fools me once, shame on him, man fools me twice , shame on me.

They took my baby the first time so I have had another one to find out where I went wrong !!!!!!

One would have thought the lesson would have been learned the first time. sheeesh

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/4133430/Young-mums-benefit-from-funding/

Lends some weight to the argument that we need a incentive to stop people breeding unnecessarily IMHO.
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September 16, 2010 9:40am
Ryan Sproull

Hello, remember me, etc. I’m in Wellington this weekend, so if any Kiwiblog regs would be keen for a beer, let me know: wataki AT gmail.

Did it last year and had a jolly nice time.
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September 16, 2010 9:40am
KiwiinOZ

Pete George your ignorance is showing. Castle is a RINO who has supported many things that Obowmao has introduced, he is neither moderate nor a real Republican in any real sense of the word.
It appears that many American conservatives are more focused upon reestablishing a real Conservative Republican party and are willing to take a hit at these elections if it means they eliminate the RINO’s and send a message to Michael Steele and the out of touch GOP leadership who have supported some real duds over the last few years.
Its a shame that the conservative goverment that was elected in NZ has turned out to be nothing more than Labour Lite and there may be a similar backlash against this at the next NZ election.
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September 16, 2010 9:44am
Swiftman the infidel

Happy birthday to me.

I collect coins so today I am off to buy an ancient Greek coin.

Perhaps something like this…

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/numismatics/demarete/images/athowdorw.jpg&imgrefurl=http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/numismatics/demarete/athowl.htm&h=351&w=711&sz=62&tbnid=x35sesMuXjQ3HM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dathens%2Btetradrachm&zoom=1&q=athens+tetradrachm&hl=en&usg=__nZs7qYdNx-DzRkqo0bWRsLTnVEo=&sa=X&ei=WD6RTIrUJ46osQOw0ZX2Ag&ved=0CCoQ9QEwBA

Woohoo!
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September 16, 2010 9:45am
joe90

The Christine O’Donnell who thinks dinosaur bones are fakes, masturbation is evil and that coed dormitories could lead to “orgy rooms” and “menage a trois rooms”!.
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September 16, 2010 9:45am
Pete George

the out of touch GOP leadership who have supported some real duds over the last few years.

Mike Castle was seen as a popular, strong candidate who was strong favourite to win the seat for the GOP – until the California-based Tea Party Express swooped in and bought the nomination for O’Donnell.

Yes, the Tea Party has just about handed Delaware’s Senate election to Democratic nominee Chris Coons, the young New Castle County executive who was transformed from an underdog to Castle on Tuesday morning to the overwhelming favorite against O’Donnell by late evening.

Mike Castle’s defeat — and the end of moderate Republicanism

Throwing away the best chance of getting a majority, of aiming for an idealistic minority, is smart?
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September 16, 2010 9:57am
backster

26 years since Garrett obtained that passport. About the same period of time between when Peter Fraser tore down the NZ flag and stamped on it, subsequently spending a year inside for sedition, and when he became the wartime leader of the nation.
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September 16, 2010 10:04am
Put it away

IDon’tKnowJack – try not to be an idiot all your life, take five minutes off for once. The 911 hijackers hated the Saudi government just as much as they hated Americans.
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September 16, 2010 10:09am
Inventory2

I can’t help but ponder the obvious question; who leaked information to Guyon Espiner? That was a VERY specific and loaded question he asked yesterday…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/09/who-told-guyon.html
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September 16, 2010 10:16am
krazykiwi

I wonder if the mothers of Gaza are telling their blood-lusting men that once again raining more indisriminent rockets down onto Israeli suburbs is going to prompt a deadly response? I suspect not.
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September 16, 2010 10:18am
hj

Keith Locke not so bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Locke

What about his comments re support for arrestees in Ureweras (despite a lot of contrary evidence) and his cheering Anette Sykes speech re her joy at twin towers falling.
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PC
Frog, I agree the slur on your drug law reform plocy is as inaccurate as it is stupid, but you said. “Which terrorist groups are the Greens in favour of? Go on. Name just one.” Very well, let me open the batting. How about this, Frog:
Remember soon after September 11 Keith Locke spoke at a meeting in Rotorua on a platform with Annette Sykes. This was a meeting to protest the liberation of Afghanistan.
As Keith sat there smiling and nodding his head in agreement, Sykes told the audience: “I will never forget that morning turning on my TV and seeing those planes fly into those two towers, I jumped for joy, I was so excited to see that at long last capitalism was
under attack. I was laughing, I was so happy, but then I saw those people
jumping out of the windows and it suddenly hit me, oh those poor waiters, the poor cleaners, those poor lift operators, who the greedy capitalists had employed to do all the dirty jobs were probably the people jumping out of the windows.”
Keith neither challenged nor questioned Sykes’ rant, he sat there and smiled and nodded and then led the applause when she finished.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2005/05/31/united-in-terrorism/

“I would feel more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament”.*
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/search?q=Keith+Locke
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September 16, 2010 10:21am
Jack5

Helun Klark is an embarrassing, loud cow. That’s the view of this Christchurcher after her boasting about how the world should copy NZ in preparation for natural disasters.

Will she never fucking shut up?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/4134034/World-should-emulate-NZ-Helen-Clark
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September 16, 2010 10:25am
wikiriwhis business

Link to copy of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate as sent to Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house

http://wasobamaborninkenya.com/Letter%20to%20Congress,%20July%204,%202010,%20Lucas%20Daniel%20Smith.pdf
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September 16, 2010 10:29am
Jack5

While we’re on babbling politicians, Rodney Hide’s confession about a conviction (link below)…..

It’s catching. Our politicians have begun a fess-up craze like a big Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

My name is Rodney Jekyll, and I’m a convicted drunk. My name Is Garrett and I faked a passport. My name is…

Link for:My name is Rodney and I’m ….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10673795
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September 16, 2010 10:34am
Put it away

wikiwhiri – so why is a British colony writing up birth certificates with the dates in the American order ( month-day-year ) ?
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September 16, 2010 11:19am
wikiriwhis business

@put it away

Could have something to do with a Kenyan being able to study in America.

Far back in time of course. But why not Britain?
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September 16, 2010 11:40am
Pete George

wikiriwhis business, that birth certificate was debunked long ago. The only remarkable thing is that Daniel Smith and Orly Taitz are still trying to pass it around.

The alleged Kenyan birth certificate offered by eBay seller Lucas Smith and displayed last weekend on YouTube.com is not a valid document, a WND investigation has revealed.
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September 16, 2010 12:01pm
MyNameIsJack

Well, I suppose wwe have been lucky, it has taken 10 days for the religious nutbars to crawl out from under the earthquake rubble of Christchurch, but Joan Tolmie of masterton has managed it.

Luck has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that not one life was lost in the Canterbury earthquake.

Expectations for an earthquake of the magnitude Canterbury experienced would have been about 200 lives lost.
This goes beyond the realm of luck and into the realm of the miraculous, and it is in the realm of the miraculous that we find God.

My whole family lives in Christchurch and I acknowledge that it was the mercy and goodness of God as revealed in Jesus Christ that spared us the agony of hundreds of funerals.

To leave God out of this is unthankful and ungrateful.

From todays “the Press” Letters page.

So, praise be to god that no one died. And all blame to god for the destruction of property, the fear and the misery inflicted upon so many in Canterbury.

And praise be to god for all the people who have lost their lives in all the other eartquakes around the world.

thanks Joan, for just one more reason why religion breeds stupid people.
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September 16, 2010 12:06pm
Put it away

wiki – your response doesn’t even make sense. The cert is bogus. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hussein isn’t eligible to be president, and I would be happy to see him go, but it has to be based on real evidence. It’s not worth winning if you have to sink to the level of the left. This is only marginally less silly than the Rathergate document.
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September 16, 2010 12:10pm
Kris K

wikiriwhis business 10:29 am,

Link to copy of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate as sent to Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house

Good find, Wikiriwhis.
I’m sure Pelosi’s on the case as we speak …
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September 16, 2010 12:24pm
Kris K

krazykiwi 10:18 am,

I wonder if the mothers of Gaza are telling their blood-lusting men that once again raining more indisriminent rockets down onto Israeli suburbs is going to prompt a deadly response? I suspect not.

More likely they’re lining up to ensure that their sons are the first to get the opportunity to martyr themselves in the great cause of Allah. As long as Islam exists there will never be peace in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter.

From your link:

Israeli minister warns of new offensive against Gaza

An Israeli cabinet minister has given warning of a fresh military offensive in Gaza after Palestinian militants in the territory launched the most sustained barrage of rocket and mortar fire in 18 months. […]

Although neither casualties nor structural damage were caused, the salvo was the heaviest in a single day since March, 2009, two months after the end of Operation Cast Lead, the controversial Israeli military offensive in Gaza.

Gilad Eran, Israel’s environment minister, demanded a reprise of Operation Cast Lead unless the rockets stopped.

“There can be no doubt that if this continues, we might have to contemplate something along the lines of Operation Cast Lead II,” he told Israeli public radio. […]
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September 16, 2010 12:35pm
Viking2

Perhaps Espiner has been given the shunt from his job by the hardening of attitudes to waste. Was he no.1 on the list of TVNZ staffers who had his credit card chopped?

No doubt these lefties won’t like that and being the nasty little shits they are will attempt revenge.

whats the big deal anyway. whinging about a name that never was.
I live in town where there was 4 people of the same name. One lived just around the corner same street and one was an MP.
Did it matter. No not at all. we occassionally got mail in the wrong box and phone calls for the MP.No isue atall.
Trygooling yourown name and see how many of you there is.
All just a leftie beat up.
If you want a sanitized and controlled society vote communism and left otherwise wise up and get alife.
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September 16, 2010 12:38pm
Kris K

Ryan Sproull 9:40 am,

Hello, remember me, etc. I’m in Wellington this weekend, so if any Kiwiblog regs would be keen for a beer, let me know: wataki AT gmail.

Did it last year and had a jolly nice time.

Hey, Ryan – have missed our little chats (and I’m sure Brian Smaller has as well 😉 ).
Trust all is well with you and yours. Remember, keep looking up.

Your old sparring partner, Kris.
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September 16, 2010 12:43pm
Lance

Get with the leftists numb nuts program…
All Israelis evil
All terrorists good

Never report provocation of Israel
Report only selected defence measures as evil unprovoked attacks

Manage to throw in a few ‘all white people are evil’ and the West owes the rest of the world and you will be able to sing Kumbaya with the best of em
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September 16, 2010 12:45pm
Ryan Sproull

[quote]Hey, Ryan – have missed our little chats (and I’m sure Brian Smaller has as well 😉 ).
Trust all is well with you and yours. Remember, keep looking up.

Your old sparring partner, Kris.[/quote]

Hey, Kris. Yeah, all well on my end. Work’s going well, family are all good, reading some good books. How are you doing?
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September 16, 2010 12:47pm
Ryan Sproull

Hey, look, I’ve forgotten which kind of tags to use. I invite you to use your imagination and pretend that was a blockquote.
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September 16, 2010 12:48pm
Kris K

Ryan Sproull 12:47 pm,

Hey, Kris. Yeah, all well on my end. Work’s going well, family are all good, reading some good books. How are you doing?

Pretty good thanks, Ryan. Still contributing here on KB, as you may have seen if you still read here. Hopefully getting wiser as I get older – I know I’m certainly getting older. Generally just keeping on keeping on otherwise, and am continually astounded by what goes on in the world around me. Things are certainly not quietening down globally, but rather seem to be further escalating evermore towards a frenzied climax of some sort. Of course, with my ‘system of belief’, that’s no surprise 😉
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September 16, 2010 1:15pm
stephen

Ozone hole gets smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/4134900/Ozone-hole-gets-smaller

In about 60 years we can all be like those carefree northern hemisphere-ers, maybe.

…as long as Dr Evil doesn’t fire a laser at it after we refuse to give him 10 *million* dollars.
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September 16, 2010 1:19pm
grumpyoldhori

Tsk,tsk, picking on that poor little white boy Garrett for just nicking a dead child’s identity, I’m sure he made a public apology to the family, no, why am I not surprised.
But, just look at Hone he did far worse in calling some, white motherfuckers, cheeky bloody hori.
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September 16, 2010 1:24pm
stephen

GOH, he did apologise privately to them a while ago.
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September 16, 2010 1:27pm
Ryan Sproull

Pretty good thanks, Ryan. Still contributing here on KB, as you may have seen if you still read here. Hopefully getting wiser as I get older – I know I’m certainly getting older. Generally just keeping on keeping on otherwise, and am continually astounded by what goes on in the world around me. Things are certainly not quietening down globally, but rather seem to be further escalating evermore towards a frenzied climax of some sort. Of course, with my ‘system of belief’, that’s no surprise

Haha, correct: with your system of belief, it’s no surprise that’s how things seem to you ; )

Glad to hear you’re doing okay. Hope the family is well.
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September 16, 2010 1:51pm
MikeNZ

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-oren-israelpeace-20100915,0,6374377.story

Indeed, Israelis have always grasped at opportunities for peace. When Arab leaders such as Egyptian President Anwar Sadat or King Hussein of Jordan offered genuine peace to Israel, our people passionately responded and even made painful concessions. That most Israelis are still willing to take incalculable risks for peace — the proposed Palestinian state would border their biggest cities — and are still willing to share their ancestral homeland with a people that has repeatedly tried to destroy them is nothing short of miraculous.

It’s true that Israel is a success story. The country has six world-class universities, more scientific papers and Nobel Prizes per capita than any other nation and the most advanced high-tech sector outside of Silicon Valley. The economy is flourishing, tourism is at an all-time high and our citizen army selflessly protects our borders. In the face of unrelenting pressures, we have preserved a democratic system in which both Jews and Arabs can serve in our parliament and sit on our Supreme Court. We have accomplished this without knowing a nanosecond of peace.

This is a farce.
The Arabs (islamic) don’t want and never have wanted peace.
The Israelis know this so why the charade.
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September 16, 2010 2:27pm
MikeNZ

I think Josepth Schacht has it right, it is our weakness in not supporting Israel that leads to more efforts from the religion of peace for yet another round of Middle east peace talks and their inevitable failure.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islam-islamism-and-moderation/?singlepage=true

Andrew Bostom cites the great scholar of Islamic law, Joseph Schacht, to exactly this effect. “Because they cannot face the problem, because they lack historical understanding of the formation of Mohammedan religious law, because they cannot make up their minds … on what is legislation, the modernists cannot get away from a timid, halfhearted, and essentially self-contradictory position.” And as David Kupelian rightly observes in his recent How Evil Works, “As long as the West becomes continually weaker and more contemptible in its attempts to placate Islam, the conflict will just intensify … it is our weakness that is fueling the growth of Islamofacism.” But we Westerners are intent on aggressively defending our weakness. We persist in dreaming in Islamocolor.
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September 16, 2010 4:26pm
MikeNZ

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/09/15/enemy-in-the-shadows/

Taliban commanders have also confirmed that Iran is running a training program for them. The Iranians pay for hundreds of Taliban fighters to make a wintertime trip to Iran’s camps in Zahedan, a location known to also be a safe haven for Al-Qaeda. For the first month, they learn how to attack convoys and escape capture. In the second, they are taught on how to do maximum damage with improvised explosive devices and in the third and final month, they are instructed on attacking military outposts. The State Department says that the Iranians have been training the Taliban since at least 2006

This is known and re[ported on, hence this link.
So where is the West?
Where is the choking off of Iran at the UN and every international body she is part of?

America now, any other country next, do they think this will stop when Iran has a nuclear weapon?
This is the weakness that leads to Dhimmitude, if it isn’t already.
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September 16, 2010 4:32pm
hj

Green Party like free speech (as long as it isn’t damaging):
…..
Naturally my comment will go to moderation and not appear (as you do when your against free speech), but I’m hearing a lot of outrage against a narrow process of rebuilding and one that will be closely watched by everyone, on the other hand where is the outrage when Meteria etc push for indigenous control of our (their) beaches (or are Maori politicians not human also).
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/09/14/earthquake-bill-passes/
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September 16, 2010 5:13pm
hj

grumpyoldhori says:

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Haven’t you got some kaitiaki responsibilities to attend to or something?
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September 16, 2010 5:16pm
Scott

I think Christine O’Donnell is an exciting young candidate. What we are seeing with her victory in the primaries and other exciting new candidates is a new wave of young up-and-coming politicians in the United States of America that are not buying into business as usual. They are looking at new solutions and new ways of looking at issues.

When we contrast that situation with what is happening in New Zealand, we unfortunately are still in the old ways. Basically limitless welfare, huge amounts of government spending and the ongoing march of left-wing, secular, progressive thought and legislation.

As our society continues to decline I am hoping that a new generation will arise in New Zealand. We need a fresh approach. Not just Labour and Labour Lite!
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September 16, 2010 5:50pm
Pete George

A fresh approach like Act?

Limbaugh and O’Reilly Enter the O’Donnell-Sparked GOP Civil War

Christine O’Donnell’s primary victory Tuesday night has sparked nothing short of a mini GOP civil war, with Sarah Palin and Karl Rove on opposing sides after Rove criticized Palin-backed O’Donnell after her win. Now Rush Limbaugh has entered the fray on his radio show Wednesday, outraged at what he sees as Rove’s lack of support for the party.

Crunch time for the various Tea Party groups (who are divided on O’Donnell) and mainstream GOP, plus fringies like Palin and the RW media jocks.
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September 16, 2010 6:05pm
krazykiwi

Honest John says to me:

Right wing resistance to this comon sense approach is spurious and usually involves knee-jerk sloganeering such as yours (i.e. childish claims that the Greens are all Stalinists etc).

Can you point out where I made this claim?
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September 16, 2010 6:06pm
Hurf Durf

If we’re going to use the stupid logic that we should invade Saudi Arabia because most of the 9/11 attackers came from there, let’s use the same stupid logic to advocate for invading Germany because it harboured the Hamburg Cell.

Also XFD @ the left-wing US media shitting the bed over O’Donnell. It is fucking majestic.
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September 16, 2010 6:54pm
jaba

Posted by Carmel Sepuloni on September 16th, 2010

…I know – long time no blog from me! I can reassure all of the Labour supporters and right wing red alert supporters out there – I have been busy beavering away in Waitakere (I’m sure the right wingers are relieved to know that:)

this is from Redalert .. good to see Carmel busy is Waitakere .. I see postings from Grant Robertson regarding the Equake in Chch and I understand Cosgrove has taken on some lame role there. I thought Carmel was Labours spokesperson for Civil Defence so I would have thought she would be using her incredible skills in that role on the ground??
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September 16, 2010 6:58pm
Pete George

It’s not just leftwing media worried about O’Donnell, many on the right have serious concerns. Actually, lefties are seeing her and her ilk as enhancing Dem chances.

Many people seem seduced by those who appear to be right wing enough, at the price of ignoring the actual quality of the candidates. Right at any cost will cost the right.

Karl Rove Questions Christine O’Donnell’s ‘Serious Character Problems’

ROVE: Well, look I’m not certain of this because look, there were conservatives on both sides of this race in Delaware. One thing that Christine O’Donnell is now going to have to answer in the general election that she didn’t have to answer in the primary is her own checkered background.

I’ve met her. I got to tell you, I wasn’t frankly impressed as her abilities as a candidate.

And again, these serious questions about how does she make her living? Why did she mislead voters about her college education? How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills so she could get her college degree? How did she make a living? Why did she sue a well-known and well- thought of conservative think tank?

It does conservatives little good to support candidates who at the end of the day while they may be conservative in their public statements do not event the characteristics of rectitude, truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters are looking for.

We’ll see how she can answer these questions. She sure as heck didn’t answer them thus far in the campaign and not in the general election that she will be asked about.

HANNITY: I interviewed her and I felt her explanations were more plausible —

Did you ask her about the people who were following her home to her headquarters and how she has checked each night in the bushes? Did you asked her — I mean, there were a lot of nutty things she has been saying that just simply don’t add up to —

I’m for the Republican, but I got to tell you, we were looking at eight to nine seats in the Senate. We are now looking at seven to eight in my opinion. This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.

But we also can’t make progress if we have candidates who got serious character problems, who cause ordinary voters who are not philosophically aligned with us to not vote for our candidates out of concern of what they said and what they do.

I think at the end of the day she has to answer these questions in a way that people of Delaware find convincing or we are going to find ourselves with somebody who says conservative things, but doesn’t have the character that the people of Delaware want to have back it up.

The same problem here – support Garrett because of his rightishness and ignore all the wrongishness.
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September 16, 2010 7:14pm
Hurf Durf

I love the Tea Party. It makes the Leftards go to Karl Rove – Karl Rove! – for support and relief in a world they can’t understand. Why aren’t these ungrateful plebs supporting progressives?! Why?! Why?! Why?!

Remember kids: the GOP has to go moderate if it ever wants to consider having advantages over the Dems again! That’s what my Ivy League betters told me 18 months ago!
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September 16, 2010 7:27pm
Pete George

But you have nothing to disagree with Rove about?
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September 16, 2010 7:51pm
Hurf Durf

I just find it whimsical that you’re backing the Repub heirarchy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? Don’t you just love classic politics?
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September 16, 2010 7:55pm
krazykiwi

Egyptian newspaper criticised over doctored peace talks photo

Egypt’s state-run newspaper has been criticised after it altered a photograph to suggest President Hosni Mubarak was leading the Middle East peace talks.

Here’s the original photo, and the photoshopped photo.
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September 16, 2010 7:56pm
Pete George

I just find it whimsical that you’re backing the Repub heirarchy.

What makes you think I’m backing anyone? I quoted Rove because he is representative of a lot of left and right writing about O’Donnell, who was a nobody with no finance who came from nowhere, except Palin and an out of state faction of the Tea Party promoted her. O’Donnell may pull it off, if she does it will be a real indication of the pulling power of the Tea Leafers.
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September 16, 2010 8:04pm
krazykiwi

Oh wow… the UN admits that economic growth reduces world hunger…

The 2010 lower global hunger number resulted largely from renewed economic growth expected this year — particularly in developing countries — and the drop in food prices since mid-2008

.. and that bio fuel leads to increased hunger

Given the increased importance of biofuels and the new linkages between agricultural and energy markets, increased cereal yields, if achieved, may not necessarily continue to lead to lower cereal prices. Because the world energy market is so much larger than the world grain market, grain prices may be determined by oil prices in the energy market as opposed to being determined by grain supply.Thus, higher priced energy means more hungry people.
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September 16, 2010 8:30pm
Luc Hansen

A Hurf Durf gem:

If we’re going to use the stupid logic that we should invade Saudi Arabia because most of the 9/11 attackers came from there

Indeed, the logic is stupid, but less stupid than that which saw Bush, despite the fact that NO 9/11 attackers were from Iraq, propagandise US simpletons into believing Saddam was behind 9/11 and invading Iraq; and much, much less stupid than that which blames the religion of Islam for 9/11 – that’s as stupid as blaming the whole of Christianity for a few deviant priests!

I guess stoopid is in the eye of the beholder.
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September 16, 2010 9:16pm
Luc Hansen

But then Hurf Durf really excels himself with this crap:

the left-wing US media shitting the bed over O’Donnell

All my reading says that the left wing in the US, such as it is because it is really to the right of ACT, consider that the Tea Party candidates guarantee that the Dems will hold onto the Senate.

But I would offer a word of caution-in difficult times, weird shit happens, and one should never underestimate the potential of a movement that captures the popular imagination, the mass mood.

As an election junkie, I’m looking forward to November. It should be fun!
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September 16, 2010 9:23pm
Redbaiter

Wow, must be hard for Pete George and other communists to see their “extreme left wing is normal” propaganda era drawing to a close.
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September 16, 2010 9:25pm
Pete George

Haha RB, that’s a strange claim, never been an “extreme left wing is normal” in the US or here no matter how much you try to talk it up. .

In the US at the moment it’s a case of the conservative right exerting it’s will, but it remains to be seen if enough of the middle will go with them or not. If they pull too far right they will alienate too many independents. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in November, and after that.

Won’t make any difference here. Act is hardly far right and struggles with a few percent, so there will only be a fraction in your dream zone.
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September 16, 2010 9:31pm
Redbaiter

“But I would offer a word of caution-in difficult times, ”

Code for- “I’m going to do my bit and repeat all the left wing propaganda that comes my way, (as I’ve always done) but I get the feeling it may not be working as well as it once did. Maybe the game is finally up for us leftists and the great hoax that any view that differs to ours is extreme”
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September 16, 2010 9:31pm
Redbaiter

“If they pull too far right they will alienate too many independents.”

Code for “the Tea Party are extremists (and racists don’t forget) who will be unable to attract the votes of moderates”

“Won’t make any difference here.”

Of course it won’t.

A prediction about as valid as the refrain you once endlessly sang about the Tea Party making no difference in the US.
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September 16, 2010 9:34pm
Redbaiter

What’s it like Pete being finally forced to understand that all of your mainstream information sources are just liars full of partisan leftist bullshit?
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September 16, 2010 9:38pm
Pete George

How confident are you the Tea Party influence will help the GOP overall in November RB? Or are you another who doesn’t care about the overall result as long as some GOP successes are more conservative?

Do you think O’Donnell is the right move or a nut too far?
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September 16, 2010 9:39pm
Hurf Durf

Hey RB, you seen Stuff’s take on it? Fucking LOL, just what I’d expect from these fuckwits.

consider that the Tea Party candidates guarantee that the Dems will hold onto the Senate. But I would offer a word of caution-in difficult times, weird shit happens, and one should never underestimate the potential of a movement that captures the popular imagination, the mass mood.

Yeah, in the same way that Kevin Rudd and Labour would roll Tony Abbott in 2010. Oh wait, hang on. In politics, the “perceived wisdom” months down the line means jack shit. At least you can recognise that. There might just be a chance for you yet.

Gotta love the idea of Puke here calling others stoopid though. Next you’ll be whining at a brick wall for standing up. You’re just that insane.

which blames the religion of Islam for 9/11

Funny that you mention that. Here’s what your mates in the Religion of Perpetual Outrage have forced upon an innocent woman. Can we expect any media hysteria on behalf of Molly Norris? Can we expect any defence of freedom of speech from you?

Speaking of blame, what do you think motivated the Omagh bombers? Hint: it wasn’t the price of a loaf of bread.
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September 16, 2010 9:46pm
Redbaiter

The establishment Republican Party (like National here) is as big a part of the problem as the Democrats. We’re sick of politicians who buy into every bit of left wing bullshit out there at the same time as they clam to be “the opposition”.

We are not buying into the same old same old mainstream media meme that the y’know, Bush/ Cheny/ Rove were a gang of hard right extremists. Bush was a leftist and a liberal, and so is Karl Rove. The way they capitulated to the cowardly attacks of the left during Bush’s entire term of office was utterly spineless and we no longer have any use for such amoebas.

In the most simple terms, we’re just sick of the widespread leftist bullshit that underpins today’s political paradigm.
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September 16, 2010 9:48pm
Redbaiter

“Hey RB, you seen Stuff’s take on it? Fucking LOL, just what I’d expect from these fuckwits.”

Simon Mann- a career at Melbourne’s Pravda, the worst newspaper in Australia by a long shot.

http://about.theage.com.au/view_profile.asp?intid=1306

That these extreme left political agents posing as journalists still expect to be taken seriously is something that completely amazes me. What deep subterranean place do they dwell in?

Still, I guess they still command the reverence of the extreme brain damaged left out there, a species that is fast going the way of the dodo.
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September 16, 2010 9:55pm
Luc Hansen

So I see Hurf Durf does, in fact, advocate victimising the whole for the actions of a few. I guess Hitler could have counted on you, son.

Just as in France where Sarkozy is practising ethnic cleansing with, it appears, your support. Roma have been floating around Europe for 1000 years – whaddya reckon: send them back to India?

The funny thing about US politics is that white male nutters like you and RB (who obviously fantasise about being Americans) are fast declining in voting power and the future US is going to be non-white, especially Hispanic.

So is this like death throes, for you poor buggers?

Shall we ask Lucia to read your Last Rites?
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September 16, 2010 10:20pm
Jeremy Harris

Here’s the first tranche of laws from our new dictators:

http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/results.aspx?search=ts_regulation_canterbury+earthquake_resel&p=1
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September 16, 2010 10:21pm
Rufus

MyNameIsJack (1,485) Says:
September 16th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

You just can’t resist you utter piece of shit can you?

Do you know Joan Tolmie? I do. And she’s not nearly a nutter. I remember her as an intelligent, kind, friendly woman. She’s a mum of two great boys, was a talented music teacher, and a generally nice person.

Try to be polite. Just because you cannot fathom her way of looking at the world, doesn’t mean you have to denigrate her like that.
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September 16, 2010 10:29pm
Hurf Durf

So I see Hurf Durf does, in fact, advocate victimising the whole for the actions of a few.

Sorry son. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the terrorists on 9/11 (and New York 1993 and Paris 1995 and Madrid 2004 and London 2005 and countless failed plots) were driven by the tenets and passages of Islam.

Was Scott Tiller not driven to kill by his Christian convictions? Did James Lee not take hostages and threaten their lives based on his environmentalist principles?

It’s not as wild as you think.

And you even managed to squeeze in some self-hatred too. You’re very efficient, Luc. Very free market. I’m glad you’re excited about the growing power of a very socially conservative voting bloc.
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September 16, 2010 10:33pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, even the way you phrase your rebuttal indicates guilty as charged:

Not all Muslims are terrorists

. Talk about damned with faint praise!

And the motivation of the terrorists you mention was, in fact, occupation of Muslim lands by western powers. Western imperialism, still alive and well, manifest in many places over the globe, not always but now primarily in Muslim lands, and about to be extended to Iran sometime soon, probably after Obama’s re-election.

Your pattern is clear: pick on a criminal and damn a whole segment of the population.

I didn’t see a response from you about the Roma ethnic cleansing operation. Like most simple issues, a bit too complex for you?
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September 16, 2010 10:47pm
Hurf Durf

Damn, son, you be crazy. Seeing patterns, inferrences and conspiracies where there are none. You’re like that Glenn Beck nutter. I bet you think Nicolas Sarkozy, AIPAC and Elvis did the JFK assassination.

And the motivation of the terrorists you mention was, in fact, occupation of Muslim lands by western powers.

And, of course, they’ll all hang up their Semtex and retire quietly, right? I mean, you must have a lot of faith in humanity. Child-killing terrorists would never lie to you. Would they? Quick clarification: “Muslim lands” includes them nastee jooz in Israel, right?

Of course, there is a grain of truth in their objectives, even if it is chased for in reprehensible ways. To paraphrase Sir Arthur Harris, Chief of Bomber Command:

I do not personally regard the whole of the Middle East as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.
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September 16, 2010 11:05pm
MikeNZ

Hurf
Beck is talking sense people just don’t want to connect the dots.
Please don’t lump him in with LUC.
LUC deliberately does what he does.

Love the last line from Bomber Harris, beautiful.
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