General Debate 10 September 2010

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mattyroo

Greetings from the doldrums. Very pleasant evening here, sitting back, watching the humpbacks frolic…
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September 10, 2010 8:02am
mattyroo

What’s the bet this fuckwit didn’t travel to NZ on a pushbike:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10672324
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September 10, 2010 8:03am
Scorpio

He’s not a climate expert. And the Stern Report has been shown to be alarmist nonsense. His assumptions have no relation to the real world.
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September 10, 2010 8:21am
Swiftman the infidel

@mattyroo Why didn’t the wanker use internet video conferencing? Oh, he has probably purchased carbon credits (indulgences).

More on wankers…Greenshirts this time…Truly remarkable. The Gweens manage to turn the Christchurch earthquake into an anti-Israel hate fest. http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/09/09/1-the-2010-christchurch-experience/

Also the fat marxist queen Sue Bradford whining about WINZ. Try dealing with the IRD lady!
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September 10, 2010 8:21am
Inventory2

What kind of scum would steal from disabled children post-earthquake?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/09/lowest-of-low.html
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September 10, 2010 8:43am
gravedodger

News flash ChCH talkback zb reports The Troughmaster General is considering the possibility that he will resign from his wigram seat if elected to the mayoralty.
Is that a u turn or did the old duffer just drive over the edge because the quake damaged the signage.
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September 10, 2010 8:45am
Put it away

Hadn’t heard of this Rahm Emanuel character before, but looking at that smug fake smile on his official portrait ( see wikipedia
) I can see why he wants to be the next corrupt chigago democrat mayor.
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September 10, 2010 8:45am
Redbaiter

“Hadn’t heard of this Rahm Emanuel character before,”

Obviously a faithful patron of NZ’s mainstream media.
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September 10, 2010 8:53am
Angus

NJ Gov Christie does it again !

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nj-gov-christie-clashes-with-teacher-at-town-hall/

. . . yet another reminder as to why the Nats are so utterly useless.
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September 10, 2010 9:00am
MikeNZ

Is he another member of the Man’s Country Club in Chicago that was posted here the other day?
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September 10, 2010 9:00am
Put it away

Red – I don’t follow US politics that closely, but I know enough to know there’s only one reason a dem wants a spot in chicago…
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September 10, 2010 9:01am
MikeNZ

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/is_the_united_states_master_of.html

The United States is technically in bankruptcy. Unfunded liabilities, on a national and state level, are in excess of $105 trillion, which is 7.5 times the current annual Gross Domestic Product (and 1.4 times the net worth of the country). By the year 2020, four items — interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (Obamacare) — will absorb all of the revenue to the government. The national debt will exceed 100% of the annual GDP by 2018. (None of these statistics reflect the impact of state debt and spending requirements.)

Sad ehh, that the once bastion of freedom will become a pawn of it’s debt holders, there’s a lesson here for us too.
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September 10, 2010 9:03am
Sideoiler

I wouldn’t have thought there was any need to be paying an unemployment benefit to any person living in the quake zone.
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September 10, 2010 9:28am
Redbaiter

Breaking- Koran burning called off in exchange for cancellation of Ground Zero mosque project.
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September 10, 2010 9:33am
MyNameIsJack

Sideoiler (45) Says:

September 10th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I wouldn’t have thought

There, fixed it for you.
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September 10, 2010 9:46am
Pete George

Sounds like a deal has been done. The Dove Outreach pastor has decided to live by his church’s name? He is going to New York to meet with the man behind the proposed Muslim Centre.

Funny, the pastor (and others) had said he wouldn’t bow to threats of possible acts of terror. If the Muslim Centre moves due to pressure and threats what signal does all this send?
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September 10, 2010 9:50am
Sonny Blount

A very wierd traffic management solution:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/07/speed-bumps-of-the-future-creepy-optical-illusion-children/
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September 10, 2010 9:52am
Redbaiter

“. . . yet another reminder as to why the Nats are so utterly useless.”

Thanks for that link Angus. As you say, a stark reminder of how hopelessly inarticulate National Party politicians are, and why the left dominate the political narrative in this country. Most so called “right wing” politicians are just spineless mumbling eunuchs.
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September 10, 2010 9:53am
Redbaiter

“Red – I don’t follow US politics that closely, but I know enough to know there’s only one reason a dem wants a spot in chicago…”

Not trying to be nasty mate, but that is why the left get away with so much in this country. The gutless contemptible spineless local media play their role in keeping NZers isolated from global left politics deliberately, so that citizens continually fail to see the big picture. Once you have a global perspective on politics, you can see so clearly how all of the leftist strategies exist and how all of their plans fall into place. In every western country, the left attack with the same battle plan. We are fighting an evil global force here and thanks to the NZ media’s complicity, most Kiwis would not have a clue concerning the broader scenario.
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September 10, 2010 10:00am
gravedodger

Don’t be naive sideoiler if they take themselves off the tit then some unscrupulous nasty employer will just dump them back on the scrapheap after11 weeks of exploitation, just ask his name is jack, hang on you didn’t need to ask.
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September 10, 2010 10:02am
Pete George

The gutless contemptible spineless local media play their role in keeping NZers isolated from global left politics deliberately, so that citizens continually fail to see the big picture.

Even if we had scrupulously balanced in depth political coverage by our media most citizens would most likely not give a toss about the big or the small picture, unless it was of the latest celebrity scandal.
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September 10, 2010 10:09am
JiveKitty

This is an excellent response. “Governor Chris Christie responds to a teacher’s question during a town hall meeting at Raritan Township. Discusses the teachers’ union and the need for shared sacrifice. September 8, 2010.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904
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September 10, 2010 10:12am
Ed Snack

I heard Stern on 9 to noon on National radio as well, and I was rather stunned to hear him directly lie on air as well. Most of the information he was passing could broadly be called disinformation. He distorted the science and I suspect willfully misrepresented facts. For example he asserted that the recent Oxburgh and Muir-Russell enquiries had found all the science at CRU to be well founded and accurate, whereas neither inquiry looked at anything remotely like “all the science”, or in some cases, looked at all at anything other than their own preconceptions and a very large tub of whitewash.

Interesting that information that has come to light following some further testimony by Lord Oxburgh to the parliamentary committee to the effect that the Oxburgh report was apparently “written” in an approximate 3 hour period before and after a slap-up dinner. Oxburgh has also consistently misrepresented how the 11 papers that he (rather some members of the the inquiry panel, Oxburgh himself didn’t apparently even meet with the key CRU people such as Prof Jones) “examined”. Are there levels of deception that “climate science” and its promoters WON’T stoop to ?
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September 10, 2010 10:29am
MikeNZ

No Ed
They all need to be properly investigated and charged with any offenses found.
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September 10, 2010 10:33am
Guy Fawkes

His name is Jackoff is starting to look ever more immature with each posting.

How about you contribute full with something that you truly think might be of interest or relevant?

I would like to know about the career and track record of Mark Burton MP (retd.). He is running for the Mayorality in Taupo.

From what I know he ain’t that accomplished, or been that active in any job. Looks to me like an academic meeting attender, and an all

round Socialist poodle.

All comments good or truthful will be welcome. Apparently he is claiming that the Taupo Ring Road is a direct result of his influence in

Government. Does that sound credible?
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September 10, 2010 10:34am
Jeremy Harris

What’s the bet this fuckwit didn’t travel to NZ on a pushbike:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10672324

I read an interesting article by a Canadian economist (whose name escapes me at the moment) who stated that a carbon tariff would increase industrial production and manufacturing in the first world, mainly due to our greater energy efficiency, i.e. the US can smelt a ton of steel using 2/3 the carbon the Chinese can… The global economy would shift from one driven by wage arbitrage to one driven by carbon arbitrage, which given the first world’s debt issues, decline in production and increase in debt fueled consumption, does have some attractive elements to it…
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September 10, 2010 10:37am
Guy Fawkes

BTW all these adverts on TV proposing cashing in the Family Gold.

Should you want about 8% of the true commercial cost of Gold right now, with nothing for any stones embedded, and with no right of recourse, then they are ideal!!
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September 10, 2010 10:40am
Captain Neurotic

Day six since the earthquake and the cordon still stands. The 2000 till 0800 shift is getting tiring, lucky the reserves have came to the call! It is going to be interesting tonight with drunk people after work… Ahhh such is life
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September 10, 2010 10:58am
Inventory2

@ Guy Fawkes – Burton did such a poor job of stewarding the Electoral Finance Bill through its early stages that Clark replaced him – ’nuff said?
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September 10, 2010 11:03am
MikeNZ

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/4114327/DHB-decision-disgraceful-says-iwi-elder

Here we have DHB rewarding IwI who commit fraud with our money.
When will it end?

Where’s Tony (wheres the camera) Ryall when you need him?
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September 10, 2010 11:14am
Pete George

More nasty things done by Muslim countries.

Torture Is a Crime, Not a Secret

The plaintiffs said the company had arranged the rendition flights that took them to Morocco, Egypt and Afghanistan to be tortured. One of the men, Binyam Mohamed, had his bones broken in Morocco, where security agents also cut his skin with a scalpel and poured a stinging liquid into his wounds.

But the merits of the case were never considered because the Bush administration argued that even discussing the matter in court would violate the state secrets privilege. Barack Obama told voters in 2008 that he opposed the government cult of secrecy, but once he became president, his Justice Department also argued that the case should be dismissed on secrecy grounds.

The men’s lawsuit was tossed out on Wednesday by the full United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. The decision diminishes any hope that this odious practice will finally receive the legal label it deserves: a violation of international law.

Even though it is public knowledge that Boeing subsidiary, Jeppesen Dataplan arranged the torture flights, the majority said any effort by the company to defend itself would pose “an unacceptable risk of disclosure of state secrets.”

That notion was demolished by the five-judge minority that dissented from the ruling, pointing out that the plaintiffs were never even given a chance to make their case in court using nonsecret evidence, including a sworn statement by a former Jeppesen employee about the company’s role in what he called “the torture flights.”

The state secrets doctrine is so blinding and powerful that it should be invoked only when the most grave national security matters are at stake. It should not be used to defend against allegations that if true, as the dissenting judges wrote, would be “gross violations of the norms of international law.”

This post is not intended to be anti us or pro Muslim, it is highlighting the problems of the abuse of secrecy laws by governments trying to hide embarassments.
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September 10, 2010 11:14am
Pete George

Reality bites, maybe.

Anderton would quit Parliament to be full time mayor

Jim Anderton has praised Christchurch Mayor Bob Parker for his leadership since Saturday’s earthquake – and now says he would consider quitting Parliament if he wins the mayoralty because the southern city needs a full time mayor in the aftermath of the quake.

Anderton, Progressive Party leader and its sole MP, will stand for the Christchurch mayoralty in the October 9 election.

Today, he told Newstalk ZB he would consider leaving Parliament to be in Christchurch full time if he won.
Anderton said he was too busy helping people following the quake and would make the decision later.
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September 10, 2010 11:48am
Jack5

Interesting court case with a Muslim couple trying to override NZ’s adoption and immigration law so they can have a child under Sharia-style adoption:

…Immigration NZ had failed to consider the rights and best interests of the child. New Zealand had “a case of tunnel vision” by not recognising Sharia law’s view of a child’s identity and guardianship, Mr Orlov said.

Here’s betting our lefty justice system will back the Muslims on this.

The link:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4114463/Boy-caught-up-in-clash-of-cultures-over-adoption
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September 10, 2010 11:51am
Inventory2

Too little, too late from Jim Anderton.
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September 10, 2010 11:56am
side show bob

How’s that Stephen Wilce, priceless, what a fucking hoot. I bet there are some defence force officials that now wished they had been swallowed up by the CHCH earthquake. I see he has been “on the job” for five years. I wonder how many wonderful defense decisions have been made because of his say so, unfucking believable.
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September 10, 2010 12:02pm
MikeNZ

Good point Jack5
I certainly think to protect our liberal democracy and the human rights of all Kiwis no matter their religion, we should not allow any form or aspect of Sharia Law in all it’s forms in New Zealand.
This is NZ not Pakistan, if they want to live under Sharia then NZImmigration should remove them from NZ.

The child is probably recognised as belonging to his father (remember women are chattel) hence Sharia doesn’t allow him to be adopted as in the West.

This is so rich.
Mr Sharif, through lawyer Evgeny Orlov, claims his Bill of Rights Act rights have been breached and asked Justice Allan for a declaration against the attorney-general.

This pillock claims His bill of rights in NZ have been breached because we haven’t given in to a medieval wicked system of Sharia enslavement in Pakistan that discriminates against women and non-Muslims and breaks our Bill of rights in itself.

Justice Allen is at a tipping point. sadly I think you might end up being correct.
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September 10, 2010 12:02pm
burt

Too little, too late from Jim Anderton.

Exactly, he hasn’t even stated that he will resign if elected, just that he will think about it. The guy should get a grip, he has spent far too long at the trough and has lost all his judgement.
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September 10, 2010 12:04pm
Pete George

“we should not allow any form or aspect of Sharia Law in all it’s forms in New Zealand.”

If you read through the article it suggests it isn’t a matter of allowing Sharia law in NZ (that isn’t possible).

If Justice Allan rules that Sharia law on guardianship equates with New Zealand law on adoption, Immigration NZ will need to reconsider its refusal to grant a visa.

The decision is on whether there is an equivalence, not to make an exception in NZ law.

I’m sure there will be some other equivalences between Pakistani Sharia and NZ Law, we can’t eliminate all the laws in NZ that happen to equate. Like marriage.
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September 10, 2010 12:12pm
Jack5

Re Pete George’s 12.12:

But we can maintain the supremacy of our own law within NZ. Would you adopt a similar view on Sharia-allowed female circumcision, Pete.

Also, is sharia law the law of Pakistan? Wouldn’t international legal recognition apply to national laws, not religious laws? Perhaps some lawyer can help us out on this.

Meanwhile… the “hot” gospeller in Florida has backed down in his plan to burn Korans.

I’m opposed to all book burning, so good. What do we do now about Muslims burning Bibles? Threaten war?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7993319/911-Koran-burning-pastor-backs-down-after-Ground-Zero-mosque-deal.html
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September 10, 2010 12:17pm
RightNow

Book burning? Go ahead… http://captainranty.blogspot.com/2010/09/book-burning-go-ahead.html
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September 10, 2010 12:20pm
kowtow

Make no mistake the ground zero mosque is not off.

Rev Jones has a face saver to back off and he can later accuse the Muzzies of lying ,but no deals have been struck.

That’s from tv news interviews.

Remember its still media silly season up there so non events will be hyped out of all proportion.

Meanwhile the attacks continue in Somalia, Russia ,Nigeria……..religion of peace…….
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September 10, 2010 12:44pm
MikeNZ

Jack5
It’s the old maxim He who does not disagree, agrees.
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September 10, 2010 12:48pm
DJP6-25

burt (12:04) You’re right. The quake has done for the Troughmaster General’s chances of getting a third trough.

cheers

David Prosser
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September 10, 2010 12:50pm
MikeNZ

How about a change of scenery?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/7991539/The-English-seaside-in-its-heyday.html
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September 10, 2010 12:58pm
RightNow

How about some realism about whether the money given to Iwi is just making rich Maori richer while they give poor Maori the brush off? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/4109717/DHB-won-t-chase-iwi-for-surplus-cash

Post colonial guilt makes for some very useful idiots. ‘Oh our white ancestors did terrible things to Maori so we must give all this money and land to Iwi now and they must be able to re-litigate down the track for more money’ – so who is getting this money? Does the poor Maori family living in Porirua East get anything to help raise their family out of poverty or is it just being divvied up among the Maori aristocracy? There certainly is a growing rich vs poor divide and it’s not from a lack of handouts from the taxpayer.
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September 10, 2010 1:44pm
kowtow

swiftman @821

Thanks for the link to the snivelling green,I try to avoid them . Pathetic bringing the Israelis into this .They just can’t help themselves, the watermelons.

House demolitions go on all over the place. In Spain ,British expats are worried cos the central govt (socialist)has pulled down at least one illegally built house. Local govt there is apparently notoriously corrupt and houses have been built to acccomodate the now defunct boom in expat sun seekers.

The home owners bought or built in good faith and are now the victims of corrupt practises. Doubt you’ll get too many greens crying for them though, they’re probably hoping to get onto some Hamas supporting Islamic terror funded Gaza blokade busting Turkish ferry. Go you Israeli special forces!!!!!
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September 10, 2010 2:53pm
sbk

From Fox,
“The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday that moving the facility could cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security.”..as always,the standard response from the followers of the ‘religion of peace’.
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September 10, 2010 2:54pm
RightNow

kowtow – they’re off to Gaza: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1009/S00122/gaza-appeal-passes-three-quarters-mark.htm
I thought about chipping in enough so they could take all the Green MP’s with them. They’d have to sign a declaration that under no circumstances did they want the NZ government to intervene if they found themselves in trouble though.
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September 10, 2010 3:18pm
Swiftman the infidel

If one hundred years ago Prime Minister Joseph Ward announced a Carbon Emissions Scam tax EVERY worker and every farmer would know that Ward was either:

1) Completely insane, or
2) Completely on the take

and remove him from office.

What has happened to the people of this once proud country?

Perhaps we have turned into the sheep we once used to farm.

FUCK YOU JOHN KEY.

(By the way, I think it is option 2)
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September 10, 2010 3:36pm
krazykiwi

@Swiftman – I agree with you. Option 2 can have several dimensions. Once is power and re-elections prospects, the other is financial gain. Nick Smith had a large forestry-related lawsuit against him dropped just three weeks before the ETS was forced on us. Coincidence? Hmmmmm, I guess so.
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September 10, 2010 5:16pm
krazykiwi

On the 7th of September, New Zealand will have slipped down another OECD ranking with the admission of Israel to the OECD.
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September 10, 2010 7:13pm
kowtow

Rightnow@318
Thanks for that . I see whaleoil has blogged on these losers . NZ needs to know that they’re a bunch of commie tossers. No doubt our MSM will dutifully report their humanitarian exploits in due course.
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September 10, 2010 7:31pm
Luc Hansen

It was so pleasant listening to Nick Stern interviewed by Kathryn Ryan and hear the cool, calm and collected tones from someone who knows exactly what he is talking about.

The full texts of his Sir Douglas Robb Lectures currently being presented at the University of Auckland can be read here.

They should be required reading for those who genuinely wish to save our children and coming generations from dangerous anthropogenic climate change, with the average global temperature the headline, but by no means the only, indicator.

The lack of empathy of the deniers here for the poorest of nations already suffering from our climate change and the lack of care about the world we leave for future generations, including their own descendants, is both stunning and evidence of evil intent that puts the great evildoers of our times, Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot et al in the shade.
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September 10, 2010 8:21pm
transmogrifier

I don’t want to live in a country where someone can successfully argue that they should be allowed to do something that contravenes the laws of the country simply because it is allowed under their religion. Country trumps religion every single time. I have no problem with Muslims living here, as long as they understand that it is not a Muslim country and as such will not have the freedom to practice those parts of their religion barred by law. If they don’t like it, there are over 200 other countries to choose from.

Same goes for all religions.
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September 10, 2010 8:24pm
Pete George

I don’t want to live in a country where someone can successfully argue that they should be allowed to do something that contravenes the laws of the country simply because it is allowed under their religion.

No one is trying to argue that.
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September 10, 2010 9:41pm
krazykiwi

Luc – It’s a lonely tune you’re striking in that increasingly discordant climate alarmism symphony. Keep it up. You’ll be performing a solo soon, meaning you’ll hear laughter directed at you.
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September 10, 2010 9:55pm
krazykiwi

Climate expert [kk:really?] tells NZ to cut the carbon

Countries like New Zealand must shift to a low-carbon economy or risk being shut out by trade barriers, says a leading voice on climate change.
British economist Lord Nicholas Stern, in Auckland for a University of Auckland lecture series, says that the world is embarking on a “new industrial revolution”.

I hope he swam his passage. He more likely exhibited gross hypocrisy in flying here to tell us to cut our carbon emissions. He’s no different to the myriad of climate troughers who profit from preaching the gospel of impending eco-doom. I’ll add him to my wall of shame.
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September 10, 2010 10:04pm
reid

It was so pleasant listening to Nick Stern interviewed by Kathryn Ryan and hear the cool, calm and collected tones from someone who knows exactly what he is talking about.

Yes but Luc he’s an economist so why the hell do you think he knows anything whatsoever authoritative on the science, which is what your 8:21 implies.

We all know that the raison d’etre for AGW is not saving the planet it’s re-structuring the world economy. Well, some of us know this, I hope you do – it’s not rocket science.

Try not to be disingenuous, lest you look like the people who didn’t think Hitler was a threat, despite all evidence to the contrary. You can fool some people all of the time, etc…
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September 10, 2010 10:27pm
wat dabney

“The lack of empathy of the deniers here for the poorest of nations already suffering from our climate change and the lack of care about the world we leave for future generations, including their own descendants, is both stunning and evidence of evil intent that puts the great evildoers of our times, Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot et al in the shade.”

Luc, it’s really not polite to masturbate in public you know.
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September 10, 2010 10:31pm
krazykiwi

A bit about Lord Stern …

He’s an advisor to the next UN-funded eco-scare – the impending biodiversity crisis.

He’s so tight with the IPCC that they use his reports in their Climate Bible 10 months after the publication deadline, and without peer review

… and he’s advocated abandoning meat consumption, $400b+ “Green Stimulus” packages, has warned us that without drastic changes “Alligators could survive at the North Pole”, has likened climate change skeptics to AIDS deniers, and is regularly banging on about still more “tipping points”

You get the idea.
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September 10, 2010 10:45pm
Luc Hansen

And the usual suspects come out to play.

But reid, I expect better from you. The important contribution Lord Stern makes is to emphasise the enormous opportunities awaiting countries who lead the charge to renewable energy generation. He does not concern himself with the science in that he, as do all governments of the world, by the way, accepts the overwhelming consensus of scientists from all over the world.

The Krazykiwis of the world will deny until the sea laps at their front veranda. But why he would want to condemn his daughter and grandchildren to such an uncertain future in the face of the advice of our best scientists is beyond me.

reid, follow the link I provided and do some homework.
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September 10, 2010 11:23pm
Sonny Blount

You and Stern sound like door to door insurance salespeople Luc.

If you’re so sure about the future, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and make some billions on the price of oil, then you can fund all your pet causes yourself.

Any ‘environmentalist’ that is not wealthy, obviously has no idea what will happen in the future, and no courage to back it up.
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September 11, 2010 1:10am
wat dabney

“The important contribution Lord Stern makes is to emphasise the enormous opportunities awaiting countries who lead the charge to renewable energy generation.”

Great economics there Luc.

These “opportunities” are nothing but an illusion resulting from the enormous tax these deluded people propose to whack on other generation methods. Suddenly renewables become “profitable.”

If anything is taxed highly enough it will make the alternatives “profitable”, and have people like you and “Lord” Stern gushing over the new “opportunities.”

Do you have any more insights you’d like to share with us?
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