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pdm

London strikes again.
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August 31, 2010 8:10am
Lipo

If the government bails out SCF investors for lets say $1 billion under the guarantee scheme, does this put John Key in the same league as Michael Cullen’s Train set purchase?

Both have cost the country around $1 billion
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August 31, 2010 8:20am
Yvette

Cullen got a train set – what would John Ket be getting?
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August 31, 2010 8:35am
Inventory2

It’s two-nil to Cullen Lipo; the guarantee scheme was HIS baby

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/media-speeches/media/12oct08
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August 31, 2010 8:36am
pdm

I understand the amount is less than a billion but, whatever the amount at least SCF will then be a viable trading proposition.. Can’t say that for the trains – it is nothing more than a black hole.
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August 31, 2010 8:38am
Guy Fawkes

Plus if the Guarantee pays out Investors fully, then there is cash released into the economy.

Unlike ‘Dead Rails and dead rolling stock’ brought to you by the ‘laughing stock’.

Jumped up prattish History Geek.
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August 31, 2010 8:39am
david

Lipo, I’d like to see the numbers on premiums collected, risks laid off, ongoing debt servicing ability of the scheme before I tried to compare it to a heap of rusty rails.
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August 31, 2010 9:11am
Pascal

Last night Mr Birchler told the Herald he was happy that the Supreme Court had ruled in his favour and wanted people to learn from his case.

“I certainly didn’t know my rights and most of us really don’t know what our rights are. And if a person of authority says to go with them, then what are you going to say?”

The 30-year-old emphasised that he had never wanted to go to the police station with the constable and that she had known that.

“I felt very pressured to go with her.

From http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10670028. Matthew Birchler disgusts me. He is harping on about his rights, when he chose to get into a vehicle while drunk and crashed it in Central Wellingon.

So in the end a drink driver gets off because he was taken to the police station. Whilst I understand that we have a legal system for a good reason, surely there is a point in any man’s life when he needs to stand up and say: “Yeah, I fucked up. Sorry about that. I’ll take my punishment” instead of trying to escape on a technicality when you know you’ve done wrong?

What is wrong with him? Where are his balls?
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August 31, 2010 10:03am
Guy Fawkes

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10670079

Youths rightly going to be jailed for aggravated robbery. Pineapple Lumps valued at under$3.00.

Meanwhile the Directors of ‘BENT’ Finance Companies and those Creepy developers get off almost scot free.

No wonder Socialism still sticks around. It really does look like laws for two halves of Society.
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August 31, 2010 10:05am
MikeNZ

Yeah but whose cash is released into the economy?
Where does it come from?
How is it replaced?
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August 31, 2010 10:09am
mavxp

IPCC told to stop lobbying and get their damned science right:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7972034/IPCC-told-to-stop-lobbying-and-restrict-role-to-explaining-climate-science.html
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August 31, 2010 10:17am
MikeNZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10670000

Her claim for punitive damages of 5 per cent of the company’s profit and McInnes’ earnings from 2003 to 2010 amounts to about A$37 million, which she says will be given to charity.

McInnes, 45, who resigned six weeks before the lawsuit, said on August 15 that many of Fraser-Kirk’s allegations “are simply not true”.

He said he would defend himself against the allegations.

Article continues below

Six of his eight alleged new victims are current or former David Jones employees, according to Francois.

Two others claim he harassed them at another workplace, she said.

If he’s guilty then I look for4ward to the company getting biffed too.
it is about time that they also paid for allowing bullying and other crap to go on by their senior staff.
Good on her.
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August 31, 2010 10:20am
hj

“The Review document clearly stated that “The Ministry of Justice will publicly release your submission, a summary of submissions and a list of names of submitters on this website after the consultation process has finished”. Yet here we are, nearly four months after submissions closed, and no submissions have been published. When asked last week when we could expect them to be published, the Attorney General’s office replied: “No decision has yet been made about when the submissions relating to the review of the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 will be made public. It will be some time after the new Bill has been introduced to the House of Representatives”. So here we have censorship of the worst kind: 1500 submissions, many of which will have raised serious concerns about the repeal of Crown ownership, being withheld from public view – no doubt to further stifle public debate.

Removing a major public property right over the 10 million hectares of the foreshore and seabed, through the repeal of Crown ownership, is a significant constitutional issue. There are massive strategic implications for New Zealand ’s Territorial Sea , yet there has been no public debate about how it will affect defence, trade, infrastructure and other crucial matters. And what about the country’s national wealth that is tied up in the foreshore and seabed – where is the debate about what should happen to that? Crown Minerals has estimated the iron sands alone to be worth $1 trillion – is that going to end up in the coffers of private Maori tribal corporations, instead of the consolidated fund for the benefit of all New Zealanders?”
http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly244.htm
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August 31, 2010 10:29am
Doug

Looks like Julia’s time in the sun maybe short.

JULIA Gillard’s claim to government on the basis of winning the two-party-preferred vote in the election has collapsed, with the Coalition overtaking Labor last night by almost 2000 votes.
Tony Abbott has begun preparing to capitalise on his gains with plans to give a greater share of government spending to rural and regional Australia to appeal to the three rural-based independent MPs whose support he needs to form a government.
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August 31, 2010 10:38am
grumpyoldhori

Since it looks like the mad monk Abbott will become the PM of Aus and with him being a good Catholic who is dead against abortion, will he go to have abortion banned in Aus completely including pregnancies resulting from incest and rape ?

Or, is he a typical xtian hypocrite who talks a good talk about banning abortion ?
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August 31, 2010 11:03am
krazykiwi

Poor GOH, unable to control his urge to offend people by insulting their race or religious leanings. Get some help.
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August 31, 2010 11:07am
krazykiwi

@mavxp – That ‘independent investigation’ looks to be a bit of window dressing fluff, for the appeasement of the increasingly mistrustful public.

There are multiple, quite fundamental faults with the IPCC’s reports, most notably the latest AR4.

IPCC’s AR4 Subjected to mass review
— all 18,531 references cited in the 2007 IPCC report were examined
— 5,587 are not peer-reviewed
— IPCC chairman’s claim that the report relies solely on peer-reviewed sources is not supported
— each chapter was audited three times; the result most favorable to the IPCC was used
— 21 out of 44 chapters contain so few peer-reviewed references, they get an F
— 43 citizen auditors in 12 countries participated in this project
— full report card here
— detailed results here

So the Telegraph story, sadly, identifies that the IPCC’s failing are not being addresses properly.

The IPCC should be disbanded. It has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with advancing a global socialist agenda using eco-guilt as its primary lever.
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August 31, 2010 11:19am
Fletch

GOH, normally what happens is that people go into parliament with good intentions and get corrupted. It’s hard for a good person to try and be an MP – there are very few “Mr Smith’s” going to Washington these days.

H. L. Mencken wrote acidly and with characteristic exaggeration: “No educated man, stating plainly the elementary notions that every educated man holds about the matters that principally concern government, could be elected to office in a democratic state, save perhaps by a miracle. … it has become a psychic impossibility for a gentleman to hold office under the Federal Union, save by a combination of miracles that must tax the resourcefulness even of God. … the man of native integrity is either barred from the public service altogether, or subjected to almost irresistible temptations after he gets in” (Mencken 1926, pp. 103, 106, 110)

Mencken said that in 1926, and if it was true then, it will be even truer now.
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August 31, 2010 11:38am
Don the Kiwi

Poor Old Grumpy.

There’s nothing like the Rancidly biggotted wanting to keep the Abortion Money-go-round going round, who vehemently criticise as Bigots, those who wish to preseve life.

Have you got shares in an Abortion Mill have you Grumpy?

Don’t get too much Older or Grumpier – Euthanasia will get you.
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August 31, 2010 11:54am
Murray

Lipo, more like Obama Key.
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August 31, 2010 12:20pm
MyNameIsJack

Grumpy, fortunately abortion is a State Govt responsibilty, so the Mad Monk can’t do a thing about it.
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August 31, 2010 12:31pm
Rex Widerstrom

Guy Fawkes notes:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10670079

Youths rightly going to be jailed for aggravated robbery. Pineapple Lumps valued at under$3.00.

Not denying the sentence was deserved but let’s look at what the judge had to say in sentencing:

A tikanga Maori programme would have helped Te Kiri stay out of trouble on his earlier release from jail but prison was the only option available to the court, the judge said.

So if rehabilitation programs were properly funded so they were available to every offender considered suitable, there’d be less recidivism and thus less victims. Hello? Sensible Sentencing Trust? That’s what you’re meant to be about, isn’t it??
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August 31, 2010 12:35pm
CraigM

Caught with his pants down , financially speaking, the Chairman of the IPCC defends the science but ignores the fact he makes millions from Government grants based on the same poor science.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/196642

To all those who lined up to abuse “deniers” as we tore apart the IPCC over the past few years as a corrupt and incompetent organisation I loved this bit of news relating to the IPCC Chair:

“Earlier this year, the Daily Express reported how he had no climate science qualifications but held a PhD in economics and was a former railway engineer.”

IPCC credibility = zero

Can we trash the frikkin tax now.
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August 31, 2010 1:07pm
krazykiwi

@CraigM – don’t start me on Pachauri. The man is a liar, charlatan and a fraud. His accumulation of wealth is directly linked to the eco-fear that his IPCC has promoted. Have a read of Dr Rajendra and the IPCC – No Fossil Fool.

As for our frikkin tax, it was never about climate or science. It’s about windfall profits for SOE electricity generators and a wealth backhanders to iwi (and other) forestry interests. That the ETS was forced on us is evidence that our democracy is quite sick.
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August 31, 2010 1:47pm
hj

“No decision has yet been made about when the submissions relating to the review of the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 will be made public. It will be some time after the new Bill has been introduced to the House of Representatives”.
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No one concerned bout that… ?
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August 31, 2010 2:33pm
MikeNZ

yeah but then I’m not voting for Neville Key so I’ve not got egg on my face.
He can’t be trusted.
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August 31, 2010 2:39pm
Jimbob

Aussies always seem to land on their feet. However it would be nice to see the IPCC fall on their arse.
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August 31, 2010 3:03pm
MikeNZ

I’d like to see them all go to jail for fraud including our own NIWA & Salinger if he is involved.
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August 31, 2010 3:18pm
krazykiwi

@hj – Yes, I am. Another abuse of our democracy. Of less importance that the Lotto numbers for most Kiwis.
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August 31, 2010 3:26pm
grumpyoldhori

Ah, is xtian tolerance not good to see, I bet they did that act of terrorism with real xtian love.
We should allow raving xtians into this country, why ?

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/tennessee-murfreesboro-mosque-the-target-of-backlash/
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August 31, 2010 3:54pm
JohnG

@goh – there are nutters on all facets of the religious spectrum (including professing christians), as there are within the broad political spectrum (just read Kiwiblog..). The important thing is to ignore the outliers and focus on the big picture, eg overall, what has contributed more to humanity: communism or capitalism? christianity or other religions including atheism? democracy or dictatorship? etc etc. We all have opinions that are largely based on our own life experience, but honest investigation can sometimes shake up our prejudices.
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August 31, 2010 4:27pm
tom hunter

Sheesh – I see a Mormon minister was shot dead the other day.

And when the FBI looked at “hate crime” stats in 2004 they found that 68% of the crimes were against Jews and 13% against Muslims – and that’s after three years of “US intolerance” following 9/11.

I blame Christian and Jew haters like GOH for creating this hostile environment.
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August 31, 2010 5:00pm
Fot

This headline cracked me up..

“Who lives in the real world? – by Catherine Delahunty”

Is there anything funnier, the nations biggest moon bat asking a question like that?
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August 31, 2010 6:08pm
Hurf Durf

DenseOldFuckwit can piss off to Istanbul so he can hang out with his favourite Jew-hating Turks. I don’t know if they tolerate baby beating though, or if they have KFC. Aww shit bro! That would not be choice, eh?
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August 31, 2010 8:02pm
Steve

But then the rest Fot,

“Who would you say is more connected to the “real world”? The thousands of teachers at the coalface of our secondary schools? Or a former financial trader who works in the Beehive and spends his holidays at his condo in Hawaii?”

Teachers at the coalface? right. Hardest work they have done is protest for the UNION. Not all teachers are bad, but the ones that make the most noise are the ones who can not teach therefore need UNION protection. Try hard, get paid the top dollar, but the useless want the same money just because they belong to the UNION.

Poor kids suffer because of dumb teachers
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August 31, 2010 8:05pm
MikeNZ

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/america_to_be_reviewed_by_thug.html

The Council also comprises Malaysia, Mauritania, Uganda, Angola, and Qatar. In Uganda, “wife-beating [is] a husband’s prerogative.” Monitoring of internet chat rooms and widespread rape of inmates occurs in Angola, while “in Malaysia, religious authorities arrest ‘deviants’ in order to return them to the ‘true path of Islam.'” In Qatar, “the law calls for 10 year sentences for individuals proselytizing anything but Islam, [and] conversion away from Islam is a capital offense.” Furthermore, “the legal system treats with leniency men who murder women where there has been ‘immodesty’ on the part of the victim.” Syria promotes the infamous blood libel against Israel, and Algeria describes Israelis as “butchers.”

Many of these Council members criticize free speech, constantly denounce Israel, exonerate Muslim extremists, and deny basic freedoms to their own people. In fact, Israel-bashing is a persistent theme of the Council. Furthermore, at no time have Iranian calls for genocide been criticized by this body.

Notwithstanding all this, joining the Council was one of Obama’s priorities, and this occurred in May of 2009. Thus, Obama was content with joining current Council members like Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Russia, Egypt, and Kyrgyzstan. Previously, “Bush had decided not to seek a seat on the Council on the grounds that the reform had been a sham.”

So against this backdrop, Barack Hussein Obama now has the United States positioned to come under international review by some of the most brutal and despotic nations in the world. The Obama administration has issued a 29-page report, the first ever “Universal Period Review (UPR) report” to the United Nations by the United States.
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August 31, 2010 8:14pm
MikeNZ

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/the_education_of_glenn_beck.html

Reflecting upon the scene in Washington on Saturday, though, recalling the amazing ecumenical and — yes — diverse mosaic of America, the most striking thing about Glenn Beck in the context of his being painted a racist is the realization that he — and judging from the crowd’s reactions, his audience, too — really believes in the words of Martin Luther King’s speech on that very spot in 1963. This belief stems from how closely wedded King’s words were to the founding documents. Beck believes (actually, he knows) that this nation was founded on the principles of Judeo-Christian ethic and that all are equal under the law — though we have the scars to prove it has taken some longer than others to live up to these principles.

Beck’s argument and his plea to the citizens of the United States are simple: The founders knew that without God, without faith, there could have been no revolution and there could be no keeping our republic. Because the nation has largely abandoned these principles, and because we have abandoned even the ideas and spirit of the words Dr. King addressed to the entire nation, we are at risk. Our government has strayed far from its prescribed path. Our culture has strayed far from its prescribed path. As Glenn Beck and millions upon millions see it, we are at risk, and those are the reasons why.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/nobody_here_but_us_400000_chic.html

The way to understand all this is to accept that the American experience is deeply interwoven with the Christian proposition. Open your arms to the stranger, for we are all brothers and sisters in Christ; trust in the providential God. Extend the boundaries beyond the safety of your ethnic group; trust in American exceptionalism. But everyone has to make the leap of faith for him- or herself.

Glenn Beck is cobbling together a new national myth out of all this to make the leap of faith a little easier. He’s scrambling together God, the founding fathers, Old Abe, the Great Awakening, the success ethic, the responsibility gospel, the civil rights movement, and faith hope, and charity. Meanwhile, he conducts weekly deconstructions on Democratic heroes like Woodrow Wilson and Andrew Jackson. If he manages to make it all come together, we could see the biggest change in national politics and culture since 1933.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/was_the_restoring_honor_rally.html

It seems that it was a real licorice allsorts day in washington at the weekend
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August 31, 2010 8:21pm
Redbaiter

This racism thing regarding the Tea Parties is just a typical left wing lie and smear coming from those scum Democrats/ Labourites who have taken over the news media. 95% of blacks voted for Barack Obama only a short time go. They’re hardly going to be found at protests against him and his big government European socialism country destroying plans today.

The racism charge is just another poisonous commie propaganda lie.
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August 31, 2010 8:46pm
Pete George

One of the problems with the Beck approach is that he is probably not representing the ideas of a majority – those who he represents are a sizable number, but far from the whole nation. So what is he proposing? That everyone complies with his ideals? Or that those that don’t agree should be over ridden or ignored?

Beck doesn’t seem to be trying to unite a nation, he seems to be trying to hijack a nation.

He may think he has reached a position of influence (he has) and power, but it’s quite possible what he stokes could ignite far beyond his control.
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August 31, 2010 8:46pm
Redbaiter

“One of the problems with the Beck approach is that he is probably not representing the ideas of a majority”

Fuck, do you ever assert anything else you fucking drone?? What the fuck would you know about a majority. Your fucken outfit (Sharpton) got about 3000 attendees and most of them were ordered to attend by a government crook. Fuck off with your brain dead assertions and your cowardly questions you troll.
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August 31, 2010 8:53pm
Pete George

I’ve got no interest in Sharpton’s outfit.

RB, do you want to impose your ideas on everyone? Or allow for a variety of politics and opinions? I know you will most likely post a barking rant rather than answer simple questions, but the opportunity is here to clarify what you think.

I’ve seen no evidence that Beck represents anywhere near a majority – you could prove me wrong, you seem to think you know facts. Or not.
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August 31, 2010 8:57pm
Hurf Durf

Beck doesn’t seem to be trying to unite a nation, he seems to be trying to hijack a nation.

No criticism when the Dems do it, I note.
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August 31, 2010 9:00pm
Redbaiter

“I’ve seen no evidence that Beck represents anywhere near a majority”

Where is the evidence he doesn’t? Got another rally with that many people to reference have you? Ever heard of the silent fucking majority have you? (see- anyone can ask questions). They’re the plain and ordinary folk who have been taking it up the arse for too long from commies like you, and have had it up to here. We’re coming after you Pete, and we’ve got better ideas and we’re better people, and you and your commie ideas are going to be in the dustbin of history sooner than later.

You don’t even know what “Restoring Honour” means you’re so full of communist shit.

And Sharpton is your boy. Quit denying it.
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August 31, 2010 9:03pm
andrei

My Goodness Pete George are you really as stupid as you seem or are you just a troll.

Its called democracy and in a democracy a fundamental concept is the market place of ideas.

This means you present concept to the public and if they like it it can worked on discussed and eventually adopted. And because of frank open discussions this leads to good ideas being adopted and bad ones not.

Under your foolish schemes we are ruled by an elite who know what is best for us or think they do and they fuck it up every time as well as foisting utter evil upon us like mass murder of unborn children as well as the absurdities like men marrying other men.
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August 31, 2010 9:03pm
Pete George

That’s not what was being discussed Hurf – do you agree with everything you haven’t criticised? That’s a pathatic argument.

You might not have noticed that the Dems have been democratically elected, Beck hasn’t. Big difference.

As expected RB has no facts to support his claims. Anyone can say the “silent majority” back them, but it’s as meaningless as RB raves.

FFS Andrei, I have no schemes.
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August 31, 2010 9:03pm
andrei

You might not have noticed that the Dems have been democratically elected,

And they are about to get democratically kicked out
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August 31, 2010 9:05pm
Pete George

And they are about to get democratically kicked out

Most likely some will in November, but there will still be a Dem POTUS for at least another two years. Then Beck can find out if the “silent majority” will back him. Right now his Palin is far from certain of even getting a GOP nomination.

Poll: 59 Percent of Americans Say Palin Would Suck as President
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August 31, 2010 9:08pm
dad4justice

“My Goodness Pete George are you really as stupid as you seem or are you just a troll.”

There is nothing worse than a stupid troll.
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August 31, 2010 9:09pm
Redbaiter

All Mr. George wants to do is the same the left have been doing for decades. Try and paint anyone who disagrees with their dirty fucking system as some kind of radical. Fuck off with your cowardly propaganda George, its had its day and you’re beat.
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August 31, 2010 9:10pm
Redbaiter

“Most likely some will in November, but there will still be a Dem POTUS for at least another two years.”

He’ll be lucky to last the distance.

“As expected RB has no facts to support his claims.”

I have the number of people who attended an historical rally. All you have is the election of an unidentified crook in a fixed election.
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August 31, 2010 9:11pm
Luc Hansen

And Sharpton is your boy

An unfortunate choice of word there, RB, or a Freudian slip?
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August 31, 2010 9:14pm
Pete George

RB, true to form, reverts to lies and unsubstantiated claims in lieu of facts.

its had its day and you’re beat.

Your dreams of authoritarian dictatorship have never looked like having their day here. At least Beck knows how to work a crowd, you and D4J are hardly going to set NZ on fire, politically.

I have the number of people who attended an historical rally.

Number on rally, a few hundred thousand.
Number in the US, a few hundred million.

Maybe maths isn’t one of your strong points. Neither is popular support, inevitably you abuse anyone with any clues.
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August 31, 2010 9:17pm
dad4justice

I don’t play with matches Petey Gal. Fire One Sir!
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August 31, 2010 9:19pm
Redbaiter

Its your established authoritarian dictatorship that’s fucked you cross wired drongo.
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August 31, 2010 9:20pm
dad4justice

“inevitably you abuse anyone with any clues.”

Fire Two Petey Gal – do stupid lefty trolls have any brain cells?
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August 31, 2010 9:23pm
Pete George

Its your established authoritarian dictatorship

I don’t live in the US, and have no involvement with anything there politically, as usual your claims are absurd.
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August 31, 2010 9:24pm
Redbaiter

“I don’t live in the US”

You (and the same kind of ilk as created the damage in the US) have made it much worse here, mainly because your tactic of stifling the emergence of new ideas has been so successful.
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August 31, 2010 9:31pm
Pete George

I’m sorry if you think that I stifle your “new idea” of crapping on anyone who queries anything you say. You remind me of an old party trick, gladwrap on the toilet.
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August 31, 2010 9:38pm
MikeNZ

http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/the-great-truth-robbery-by-amy-brooke/

andrei
I certainly hope that if John Key does go down the disenfranchise Nzers of their foreshore and seabed he will get democratically kicked out.
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August 31, 2010 9:41pm
Pete George

“AirPhotosLive.com said 87000 people attended the event. The margin of error offered by AirPhotosLive.com was plus or minus 9000 people.”

“Beck Rally Pulls In Between 85000 and 87000 According To Independent Estimates”

Of course Beck will be claiming a few more than that.

Are there any other official estimates?
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August 31, 2010 9:47pm
Redbaiter

You believe what you want to believe Mr. George. Live in your little fantasy world with your left wing media liars and propagandists. Enjoy yourself. Keep your head in the sand, and when the day comes, and you and your ilk are out on your commie arses, you won’t have a fucking clue what is going on. (even less than you do now)
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August 31, 2010 9:55pm
Hurf Durf

“Independent estimates.” Yeah right, the same independents who said three million turned up to Barky’s coronation when it was closer to 800,000? Shouldn’t you be primping your beard, Petey? That might be closer to your intellectual inclinations.
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August 31, 2010 10:00pm
Pete George

Beck seems to show increasing messianic tendencies. Not sure if he thinks he should be GOD or POTUS.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/mlkbeck.jpg

Official estimate of the last inauguration was actually 1.8m
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August 31, 2010 10:02pm
Hurf Durf

You know things are looking bleak for the Prog cause when Newsweak has to make up polls to make their side look good.

They backed the wrong horse, now they have to make some serious triangulation over the next year to save themselves from destruction. I’m not sure if that’ll ultimately help them though.
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August 31, 2010 10:08pm
Redbaiter

Newsweak- a leftist rag run and staffed by liars and cowards- sold for $1.
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August 31, 2010 10:10pm
Hurf Durf

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August 31, 2010 10:17pm
Redbaiter

THE world’s leading climate change body has been accused of losing credibility after a damning report into its research practices.

A high-level inquiry into the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there was “little evidence” for its claims about global warming.

It also said the panel had emphasised the negative impacts of climate change and made “substantive findings” based on little proof.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/196642
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August 31, 2010 10:39pm
Hurf Durf

Is this meant to be a news article or a fucking press release?

In other news, remember when all the very clever lib boffins and experts said sacrificing missile defence in Poland and the Czech Republic was supposed to institute a glorious new era of harmonious Western-Russian relations? It was bollocks.

Mr Putin also poured cold water too on the idea that relations between Russia and the United States had undergone a dramatic improvement. Complaining that Washington was continuing to rearm neighbouring Georgia, he said US anti-missile plans for central Europe had not been watered down enough.

Huh.
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August 31, 2010 10:56pm
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“And still we ask, why are Liberals in bed with Islamists?

We know that Muslims despise the lifestyle that is inherent to liberalism – homosexuality, pornography, promiscuity, hatred of religion, passion for booze and drugs, and provocatively dressed women, etc., etc. So why the enduring love affair?”

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/and-still-we-ask-why-are-liberals-in-bed-with-islamists/
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August 31, 2010 11:11pm
tom hunter

I put this in the other day but given the argument happening here it seems appropriate to repeat the link to the following article of interest: What Beck Does Right. I thought there were two points he made that were pertinent. The first was about Beck himself.

There are a lot of good people – people with whom I agree on most things – who are put off by Glenn Beck. Sometimes I’m put off by Glenn Beck. There are conclusions he makes about history that I find simplistic, off-center, or just plain wrong. His on-screen persona can be over the top.
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No existing model of media success would have led him to do what he is doing today: to teach history on his program, to read passages from America’s early texts, to interview obscure academics and little-known clerics, to talk like a fire-and-brimstone preacher about character.

But here he is, and Fox lets him do it. He gets the ratings with what he offers. He reaches more people in one week, with the kind of truth about our history that will only strengthen the political appeal of modern conservatism, than some more-polished legacy conservatives have reached over their entire careers.

The second was about the reaction of the right to all this – and I think there’s a message for the right-wing in NZ as well:

When we see 500,000 or more people turn out on the Mall at the end of August – in the heat and humidity, in a painful recession, after school and sports have already started in many states – are we going to insist that that’s “not conservatism,” that it’s something we need to triangulate away from and reject, because people prayed to God, got emotional, and talked about character? And if so, what is it we’re waiting for that we think is better? From what standpoint is it better?

 … I urge my fellow conservatives not to despise this phenomenon or be disparaging about it. All our futures depend on the character of the people around us. Fear, defensiveness, and moral weakness in the people are the best friends of the tyrant. None of us can resist the siren-call of statist collectivization single-handedly.
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