General Debate 25 August 2010

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Say Goodbye to Hollywood

I’m not as think as you drunk I am.
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August 25, 2010 8:05am
Murray

Its hysterical watching the usual suspects wet their nappies about the cops having their own bars but not even rembering that the armed forces also have their own bars.

And no one even bothers to remember that the police are one of New Zealands armed forces anyway.

You all just like kicking cops because it makes you feel morally superior.
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August 25, 2010 8:11am
Fot

Apparently David Bain has a new job……delivering papers in Fielding.
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August 25, 2010 8:14am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Do keep up Fot, DPF posted that joke at 6:30am.
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August 25, 2010 8:35am
Viking2

Granny has this headline this morning by one Audrey Young.
According to the ACT Party website , http://www.act.org.nz/mps Act doesn’t have an MP of this name.

Act MP to contest Hide’s seat
7:39 AM Wednesday Aug 25, 2010

Act MP Peter Tashkoff has announced he will contest party leader Rodney Hide for the seat of Epsom.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10668677

Am I wrong or is Granny getting worse as it gets older and is now in terminal dementia.
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August 25, 2010 8:48am
Viking2

and that joke is really a sick joke.
In fact not even a joke.
4 entirely unrelated events and events which will and have caused pain and distress to a number of families. Very poor taste and sad that DPF has to scrap shit out of a barrel when there is so much more that really is funny.

That’s like getting to levels worse than Mallard.

Must be the Verve drought causing brain misfunction!
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August 25, 2010 8:52am
Viking2

Now here is some humour worth poking plenty of sticks at and DPF has missed it.

Woman in MP’s text message scandal aims for Botany seat
5:30 AM Wednesday Aug 25, 2010

The woman who played a part in unseating Richard Worth as minister is hoping to win a seat in the Botany subdivision of the Howick Local Board.

Neelam Choudary, who made headlines as the Labour Party activist who alleged Dr Worth sent her dozens of text messages, including sexually explicit ones, believed a tough stance on crime could win her a place on the local board.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10668613
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August 25, 2010 8:55am
Viking2

Even better;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10668570
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August 25, 2010 8:58am
wreck1080

Heres one for you viking2….

Did you know the space shuttle columbia crew had blue eyes? One blew that way, one blew that way…..

Humour always comes out at times of death. If anything, I’d say David Bain has the most right to be upset.
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August 25, 2010 9:00am
starboard

no you’ve got it all wrong , Davids going to be a photographer specialising in family shots….
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August 25, 2010 9:15am
Manolo

A feeble editorial from today’s Dom Post, which as many other newspapers has been taken over by wowsers and elitists:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/4057809/Editorial-Liquor-reform-needs-tougher-measures
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August 25, 2010 9:21am
Fot

Is it a bit early to nominate Grant Gillard for the man of the year award?
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August 25, 2010 9:23am
MikeNZ

Paula Bennet on Child abuse
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=252&objectid=10668253

Surely, the answer ultimately lies in a change in our country’s culture; a change which leads to zero-tolerance for child abuse and neglect. Otherwise, we will continue to lead the world in beating, neglecting and abusing our children.

Clearly National don’t as they penalised ordinary parents who do know the difference between a smack and a beating.
Instead of profiling and dealing to the offenders.
it’s the same with the liquor laws twiddling while Rome burns. All populist harm minimisation.
Meanwhile they can’t get get the job done and penalise the offenders for being drunk in public with their disorderly conduct can they?
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August 25, 2010 9:29am
thedavincimode

Yes wreck, its all about timing –

Q: what’s white and flies over Ireland?

A: Earl Mountbatten’s sandshoe.

Just not as funny today as it was at the time. Not for him though.
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August 25, 2010 9:31am
Falafulu Fisi

A guest post from Not PC:

Obama’s Playbook: Why He Keeps Saying Dumb Things

Redbaiter has already covered something similar at his Crusader Rabbit blog.

Interesting quote from Jeff’s blog article:

Quote:
Unlike even semi-rational philosophies, progressivism is built on sheer fantasy. Other doctrines may make errors, some of them very serious, but most are built on at least some foundation of real-world evidence and logical analysis. Progressivism is one of the few that is actually anti-evidence and anti-logic.

This is exactly what Redbaiter is arguing about here on Kiwiblog. One needs a political philosophy to guide them. Unfortunately, both Naitonal nor Labour had none. A post yesterday from the other thread by a commenter YesWeDid, saying that his/her rights to enjoy a drink without someone’s second hand smoke aren’t important. .

See, YesWeDid, has no clue to what is rights. If one asks him/her to define rights, he/she would inadvertently define/describe it in a way that makes thugs like Hug Chavez (Venezuela), Kim Jong Il (North Korea), Fidel Castro (Cuba) and many dictators from around the world qualify in the way they treat their citizens. Why would people like YesWeDid behave in the manner they do? Answer : They have no political philosophies at all (no foundations).

I know most of you here don’t like Redbaiter, but he has political philosophies (ideological foundations of his beliefs) which makes his arguments consistent.
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August 25, 2010 9:31am
thedavincimode

FF – he doesn’t have arguments – he just links to others’ crap and holds it aloft as unassailable “evidence” of what he’s banging on about.
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August 25, 2010 9:34am
Pete George

“One needs a political philosophy to guide them.”

Why? Doesn’t it become a political straight jacket – it often seems this way with RB, gets tied up in ideological straps and the more he struggles in it the nuttier he gets. Yes, he is consistent, at not being able to argue his case once the contradictions of his restricted position are pointed out.

Is “looking at each issue on it’s merits” a political philosophy?
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August 25, 2010 9:37am
thedavincimode

No, that’s called analysing the problem. Political philosophy theoretically kicks off when you decide how you’re going to deal with the issue. The reality is somewhat different in practice as it generally seems more convenient to Advance to Go on the basis of philosophy (read innate personal prejudice) because that requires less thought.
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August 25, 2010 9:44am
Murray

We wont do anything about child abuse stats until one element works out beating the crap out of their kids isn’t their culteral right.
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August 25, 2010 9:56am
MT_Tinman

Thank you FF for your attempt to explain both your and Redbaiter’s philosophy.

Personally I think you are wrong (and Redbaiters trite tripe simply deluded diatribes, unreadable ones at that).

Rather than any “political philosophy to guide them” an open mind, the willingness to think and a sense of personal responsibility will get people a lot closer to both wealth and happiness.

However my own philosophy is each to his own so whatever turns you on, go for it.

Just please do it quietly.
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August 25, 2010 9:58am
Murray

Deluded diatribes know no political affiliation.
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August 25, 2010 9:59am
MikeNZ

Murray
This is true.
At the core of that has to be when they are so observed and their family life dissected that they have pain and want it to stop.
Then they will question why perhaps?
We let the poor buggers down if we don’t profile and data match across the agencies against them.
We don’t show love by not doing this and we consign the kids to terrible situations by our apathy and ignorance.
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August 25, 2010 10:07am
MikeNZ

Fala
You are not on my RIP because you make sense and contribute, instead of pushing for more control over us.
Thank you for the link, excellent.

Progressivism, boiled down and applied to society, amounts to this: “There exists a large-scale social problem — a national need for growth, widespread poverty, many who lack medical care. When some people suffer, others have a collective moral obligation to help, no matter how those people got where they are. The government is the only one who can do something about large-scale suffering, and it has a duty to act.”

No evidence to the contrary, no moral argument about the values of thrift, prudence, and self-reliance, no legal discussion about constitutional limits, no contrary economic history or theory sways them in the least. Witness Paul Krugman’s columns. Or Eugene Robinson’s, or Ezra Klein’s, or dozens more. This is not reasonable disagreement around the edges. This, in more honest circles, is what’s known as devotion to dogma
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August 25, 2010 10:12am
malcolm

FFS. $25,000 fraud against multiple parties = 300 hours community service. Chance of getting caught 1/4 (let’s say). Cost/benefit analysis = 75 hours community service per $25,000 stolen. Priceless.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10668683

At least give him John Barlow’s old cell for a year or two.
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August 25, 2010 10:12am
Falafulu Fisi

Ok, I mentioned Redbaiter because he has been arguing against progressivism here on this blog, from time to time.

So, all you dudes here who have some answers to the guest blog post by Jeff Perren (from Not PC), then post your argument there about what Jeff wrote. Forget about Redbaiter, because he is simply a messenger. Now, try to demolish Jeff’s message, ie, try to argue against Jeff’s points on his blog. Let’s see if you can withstand the battle of logic/knowledge/ideology.
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August 25, 2010 10:13am
stephen

Am I wrong or is Granny getting worse as it gets older and is now in terminal dementia.

Audrey Young’s name is at the bottom of the article, which is just as worrying really.
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August 25, 2010 10:25am
Swiftman the infidel

“Deluded diatribes know no political affiliation.”

Typical dumb comment from Murray.

Ever considered a brain transplant buddy?
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August 25, 2010 10:25am
MikeNZ

Fala
In one of the comments on Jeffs this blog is mentioned.
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

Shes probably too anti sharia for the progressives, but shame.

Jeff wrote an interesting piece
http://bigpeace.com/jperren/2010/08/02/what-it-takes-to-wage-war/
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August 25, 2010 10:35am
Manolo

The Messiah’s popularity takes another hit: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/71557
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August 25, 2010 10:44am
Pete George

“The key to everything Obama does is that he truly is a committed, 99-44/100ths pure progressive. And when a man only reads one century-old playbook, his options are extremely limited.”

So if someone uses a playbook compiled nearly a couple of millenia that comprises many much older writings how limited are their options?
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August 25, 2010 10:47am
Murray

Typcial wanker sneering useless shithead comment from swiftknob.

Ever considered not being a complete fuckwit in public?

And look up what “dumb” means dickless.
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August 25, 2010 10:47am
MikeNZ

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/01/dear-ali.html
super piece, a long read but gets to the crux of the matter in the end.

meanwhile it had to come didn’t it.
dawa in action.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/australian-muslims-push-for-islamic-perspective-in-school-curriculum/
According to the report, “most Muslims are outspoken in their criticism of terrorism regardless of the perpetrator. This is because Islam only allows for a just war. … From their perspective, the enemies of Islam are the terrorists and they are the warriors of the faith.” In addition, the authors of this booklet contend that “morally, Australia is not a good place to rear children,” citing as evidence drugs and illicit relations. They argue that these conditions militate against integration. It is also an argument employed for their own system of law, sharia.
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August 25, 2010 11:15am
Swiftman the infidel

Sticks and stones may break my bones,

And fuckwits will never hurt me.
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August 25, 2010 12:15pm
Dirty Rat

10:00am – Judge David Harvey say live web transmission from the courtroom is not allowed. We will bring you updates as soon as we can. Slater is tweeting on the case but has been similarly thwarted.

10:15am – Defence lawyer Thwaites asking for all details of the prosecution to remain suppressed.

10:22am – Judge David Harvey says the suppression orders from other trials will remain and media will not report on suppressed evidence in this trial either.

hilarious
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August 25, 2010 12:49pm
Repton

Whale Oil’s initial defense was: “This trial can’t go ahead because we can’t talk about what I did since that would breach suppression orders.” It seems a strange line to take for someone who doesn’t support suppression orders in the first place..
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August 25, 2010 1:13pm
grumpyoldhori

Morals And Australia, one has to smirk, a country that had slavery into the sixties mentioning morals.
Religion in schools, easy answer, allow NO raving lessons in any religion in any schools.
You would not want your child to learn about the great god Tu would you ?

Wonder if that bloke Tony Abbot will follow his Catholic beliefs and attempt to ban abortion in Australia like he tried on with the morning after pill.
Or, is he a hypocrite ?
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August 25, 2010 1:32pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo….

Holy hell – DNA has proved Hitler was at least partly of Jewish descent!

The story shown in the link may mislead some in saying that because the Hitler family also has some of the same DNA links as the NOrth African Berbers, he is of African descent.

Some DNA analysts think most British people and their ancient relatives, the Basques, are also partly descended from the Berbers, who were and remain a pre-Arab people of North Africa.

Ahmed Zaouai, the former FIS (ISlamic Salvation Front) politician who gatecrashed into NZ, may also be a Berber.

THe story:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html
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August 25, 2010 2:09pm
Redbaiter

“Forget about Redbaiter, because he is simply a messenger. Now, try to demolish Jeff’s message, ie, try to argue against Jeff’s points on his blog. Let’s see if you can withstand the battle of logic/knowledge/ideology.”

Hear the silence? You won’t get any kind of real response to that query Falafulu Fisi, because to be a Progressives means one is automatically bereft of the ability to reason or to use logic to argue any position. That is why all that followed your polite post was a litany of what passes for argument amongst the Progressives/ socialists/communists who pollute the blogosphere (and Kiwiblog in particular) – hate, lies, smears and misrepresentation.

You can see the tempo rising as the internet continues to break through the Berlin wall they have built around information, and as their efforts to defend their decrepit ideology intensify, so do the smears and lies multiply.

There is no reasoning with the professional left. The only path to defeating them lies first in awakening the innocent, those manipulated and used by them, and then in consigning the real left to the gutters and sewers from which they appeared.

Remember well- there is no reasoning with the amoral ignorant cowardly and brain damaged Professional left. Their mental state does not allow it. They are due only contempt and disdain.

If you ever do make the mistake of attempting to reason, you’re only opening the gates for their cowardice, their smears, their lies and their distortions. Sure, reason with others, but do not waste it on the Professional left.
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August 25, 2010 2:31pm
Fot

Is it just me or does anybody else think that the bauble loving wanker from Epsom is getting fat again?
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August 25, 2010 2:44pm
MikeNZ

No Red
Part of the reason is they are so prideful that they are the only one’s who could be right.
They consider anyone else who might argue with them to be a non-person, that’s why they resort to using emotional painting words to denigrate and label the person as not worthy of having an opinion.

The difference between the progressives and others is others don’t mind hearing the other side as they are quite capable of rejecting it but not the left as they know better and therefore are obligated to change society for everyone’s good.
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August 25, 2010 2:46pm
Fot

Ha ha…what a great slap down from the speaker to the idiot female co-leader of the Greens.
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August 25, 2010 3:00pm
Fot

Now that same idiot female co-leader is acting like a spoilt brat.

Classic TV.
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August 25, 2010 3:07pm
thedavincimode

“If you ever do make the mistake of attempting to reason…”

LOL
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August 25, 2010 3:30pm
Chuck Bird

There is an Emissions Trading Scheme/Climate Change special tonight on Back Benches. So head over to the Back Bencher Pub to watch John Boscawen, Russel Norman, Stuart Nash and Craig Foss debate the ETS, what it does, who it affects, who’s paying, does it go far enough and more. You know where I stand on the issue and it would be great to see you there.

It can be viewed on Channel 7 or 97 on Sky at 9:10 pm
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August 25, 2010 3:33pm
Luc Hansen

Ha ha

Fox News up in arms!

They unearthed an old recording of Imam Rauf (of ground Zero Mosque fame) saying that the US has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has of non-Muslims.

Liz Cheney said whoever thinks that is detached from reality.

Why do Americans have so much trouble with non-controversial statements of fact?
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August 25, 2010 3:38pm
roger rabbit

WOW lots of bitch slapping going on:O)) BITCH SLAP on posters, and may hone keys toilet run out of toilet paper when he really needs it, useless fuck
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August 25, 2010 3:52pm
DJP6-25

Redbaiter [2:31] Don’t forget that Socialisim is a secular religion. They’re trying to build paradise on Earth. It’s a very alluring goal for many. That goal justifies everything they do in their eyes. The results of that are always the same. So they have to cover their failures with lies and obfuscations.

cheers

David Prosser
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August 25, 2010 3:59pm
MikeNZ

Same with Islam but it’s called Taqiyya and is allowable in Islam as long as it is for Dawa or conquest.
This piece by Diana West into one of the why’s for the Ground Zero Mosque should make you think about what stage we are in of Islamic Dawa and ruminate on how it might progress.

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/1488/Stoning-A-Nightmare.aspx

What would expanding Shariah mean here? More halal-butchered livestock leading, as in Europe, to halal-only menus? More midnight football practice during Ramadan? More sex-segregated swimming pools? More incitement to jihad in “radical” mosques? More “apostates” living in fear? More self-censorship, I mean “respect,” when it comes to discussing Islam?

An excellent benchmark of Shariah’s remarkable and, think of it, post-9/11 progress is that none of the above manifestations of Islamic law — all designed to sync society with Islamic practice — are shocking to us. Indeed, marital rape, permissible in Shariah culture wherever it spreads, got a “religious” pass from a New Jersey judge last month (overturned by an appellate court). Death by stoning, however, still seems to take everybody’s breath away as those who read about last weekend’s Taliban stoning in Afghanistan, I hope, would agree.

Just looking at this and saying (in our hearts) they’re backward, it’s third world stuff isn’t good enough.
We will have to address the ideology that allows this and later is not good enough as Andrew Bostom illustrates with their rulings.

http://bigpeace.com/abostom/2010/08/17/and-it-stoned-thee-the-sharia-basis-for-stoning-adulterers/

To elucidate what Islamic Law—Sharia—states plainly, I have included both modern (from Islam Online of the esteemed cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi, whose regular Al-Jazeera program on Sharia is wildly popular, and in whose name the government of Qatar recently created the Al-Qaradawi Centre for Islamic Moderation) and classical Sharia rulings—the latter from the most important Hanafi Manual used amongst the vast Muslim populations of the Indian subcontinent, The Hidayah.
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August 25, 2010 4:12pm
side show bob

Chuck thanks, will watch.
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August 25, 2010 6:27pm
krazykiwi

More carbon trading scams …

UN board could rein in $2.7 billion carbon market

UNITED NATIONS – An obscure U.N. board that oversees a $2.7 billion market intended to cut heat-trapping gases has agreed to take steps that could lead to it eventually reining in what European and U.S. environmentalists are calling a huge scam.
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The chemical makers are paid as much as $100,000 or more for every ton they destroy of a potent greenhouse gas, HFC-23. The price for destroying it is based on its being 11,700 times more powerful as a climate-warming gas than carbon dioxide.

But that gas is a byproduct of an ozone-friendly refrigerant, HCFC-22, which those chemical makers also are paid to produce under the U.N.’s ozone treaty. Environmentalists say there is so much money in getting rid of HFC-23 that the chemical makers are overproducing HCFC-22 to have more of the byproduct to destroy.

Gore and Pachauri are getting rich and famous on their carbon credits. Euro-gangsters are defrauding the market. Chinese chemical manufacturer are gaming the system. NZ forestry owners are offering their votes…

… and who’s paying for all this?

Yes, you and I.
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August 25, 2010 6:47pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f1awn9vBZE&feature=player_embedded
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August 25, 2010 7:07pm
Viking2

Redundancy offer for all public servants

Sorry no in good old NZ.

* GREG KELTON
* From: The Advertiser
* August 24, 2010 8:18PM
* 54 comments

ROLLING targeted separation packages with no restrictions will be offered to state public servants when the Budget is finally delivered on September 16.

Public-sector sources have told The Advertiser the aim of the packages will be to shed up to 2000 jobs across government departments and agencies.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/redundancy-offer-for-all-public-servants/story-e6frea83-1225909595294
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August 25, 2010 7:39pm
Viking2

http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/the-great-truth-robbery-by-amy-brooke/
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August 25, 2010 8:11pm
MikeNZ

Great article Viking, thanks
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