General Debate 22 August 2010

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Inventory2

First? First!

Great result in South Africa overnight; well done All Blacks!
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August 22, 2010 8:06am
ciaron

Cheers IV2, no need to watch it now 🙁
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August 22, 2010 8:10am
Grant Michael McKenna

Was the art rejected because it makes the viewer think? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4047525/Rejection-wrong-says-artist

edit: ciaron, why read a news blog if there is news that you don’t want to hear?
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August 22, 2010 8:10am
Chicken Little

Yeah thanks IV2.
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August 22, 2010 8:11am
Inventory2

You’re welcome gents 😉
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August 22, 2010 8:15am
Patrick Starr

too right IV2 – It was fantastic!

Good to see some of us are passionate enough to get up and watch it!
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August 22, 2010 8:15am
ciaron

Grant, I’d heard the result already, just pulling IV2’s leg.
edit: Patrick, some of us can’t justify Sky…
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August 22, 2010 8:18am
Inventory2

MySky is the best thing ever invented. Got up around 4.30 whilst the match was still recording, and watched it before I turned the computer on! I got the best of both worlds; a reasonable kip, and watching the game almost live!!
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August 22, 2010 8:26am
ciaron

how does one flip the bird in HTML… 😛
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August 22, 2010 8:27am
Viking2

So the All Blacks win again (sorry grumpy) and the Aussies lose, well kinda, like school teachers really, simply can’t make up their minds what they wanna be.

Good example of “COMPULSORY”.
gOT TO VOTE OR GET FINED, SO LETS STUFF THE SYSTEM. hahaha.
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August 22, 2010 8:27am
Inventory2

On another matter; nice to see Kerre Woodham putting the verbal boot into Georgina Beyer, echoing what we blogged earlier in the week. I especially liked the comment about GB being “our Duchess of York”!! Woodham’s on the way to becoming a rightie!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/kerres-unsympathetic.html
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August 22, 2010 8:28am
pdm

PS (3662) easy to watch in London – 4pm is a very civilised time. But hell it is noisy at the Walkabout.
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August 22, 2010 8:30am
ciaron

I liked it best when Brian Tamaki called it a freak on Willie Jackson’s show.
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August 22, 2010 8:31am
WebWrat

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/sunday-aug-22-11am-pre-911-stop-the-mosque-protest-in-nyc/
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August 22, 2010 8:44am
Viking2

liked it best when Brian Tamaki called it a freak on Willie Jackson’s show.

Still a person no matter what you think and has done no one any harm unlike that God fearing Black Power Mobster in a White Collar.
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August 22, 2010 8:45am
gazzmaniac

ciaron would you call her “it” to her face? Or even not anonymously for that matter?
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August 22, 2010 8:51am
MyNameIsJack

ciaron would you call her “it” to her face? Or even not anonymously for that matter?

Yes. ciaron is an idiot xtian fundie; its what they do best.
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August 22, 2010 8:55am
Viking2

Talking about elephants in rooms etc. (roarprawn on scr-ewing-roy) here is NZ’s elephant, being talked about in Aussie.
Corrections will become the biggest Govt. Dept. inside the next 3-4 years. Yep that’s right, bigger than Social Welfare, education and Health.
We need to start talking about the causes.
NZ has for years been locking up its men and particularly its young men.
Why are they always int trouble?
Is it our laws?
Is it our need for someone to punish?
Or rather is the cause a matter of poor quality politics which has resulted in our lack of economic growth,lack of new business and destruction of many that have come and gone with the attendant lack of lobs and lack of enhanced opportunities?
Is it because our Labour Laws are so restrictive that its cheaper and easier to get someone in China to make things rather than do the work here?
Is it because it costs a student loan to learn to drive a truck these days? A loan that when one has a license they struggle to repay the loan from the low wages ?
Time we had a close look at ourselves before this elephant kicks our arse.

THE 396 young men and 31 young women locked up in NSW juvenile justice centres are part of our new stolen generation. And thousands more will join them over the next decade unless the system undergoes a drastic overhaul.

That’s the verdict of Youth Off the Streets founder Father Chris Riley, who has accused the state government of turning its back on young people who break the law.

NSW is teetering under a 22 per cent rise in violent offences by juveniles over the past decade. Last year 4360 children were charged with assault – almost a quarter of which involved domestic violence – and 4422 were charged with malicious damage to property.
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August 22, 2010 8:57am
transmogrifier

My advice: if you don’t want to know the result of a particular sporting event, don’t go on an internet messageboard before watching the game. It’s that simple.
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August 22, 2010 9:05am
ciaron

fuck, you guys have no sense of humour.
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August 22, 2010 9:12am
ciaron

What kind of a name is Gazz? is that your real name? I do go by my first name thank you.
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August 22, 2010 9:15am
Viking2

So DPF reckons that the Nats and the Maori’s are it for NZ.
It was very very disingenuous to tie The Coastal Coalition with Act.
That’s the sort of crap that Mallard puts out and you constantly criticize. DPF.
If you think that the Nats and the Maori’s are the way to govern NZ then come out from the closet and front up and say so instead of sheltering Key and hsi closet meetings with the Maori autocrasy.

Could a be story of the year I reckon and (it seems) only available online AFTER the fact! I had no idea this was even happening, and I wonder what else is being signed off without the public’s knowledge. Just how many secret deals are going on? Haven’t the citizens of this country a right to at least be informed about what the government is doing?http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1008/S00316/crown-initials-deed-of-settlement-with-ngati-kuia.htm

And Jeepers! Just look at some of what is going on behnd the scenes, including some dreadful propaganda on these two websites. . .

http://www.iwichairs.maori.nz/ I wonder is this is the Iwi Leaders Forum main website?
http://news.tangatawhenua.com/archives/6331 United Natives? Is that supposed to be another term for the United Nations indigenous people’s whatchamacalit?
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August 22, 2010 9:25am
gazzmaniac

ciaron, I have been posting on Kiwiblog for a long time and it’s fair to say that most if not all the regulars know who I am, and gazzmanaic a pseudonym I have used on the net and for computer games since I was a teenager. Gaz is not my real first name but I don’t think it’ll be too hard to work out what it might be short for – and yes people do call me that in person.

BTW I have learnt that anything you post on the net or generally in the public domain may come back and bite you. If people think you are a dick in the public domain then meet you in person they will tend to treat you as a dick, even if you are putting it on just to stir people up.
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August 22, 2010 9:39am
ciaron

I think I can live with BillyBorker/MynameisJack thinking I’m a dick.

I suppose I should quantify my comment, as it seems people were more interested in jumping to conclusions about me than the actual event mentioned.

What I though interesting, was that there was Beyer trying to ram her worldview down Tamaki’s throat and vice versa, Tamaki sat there quite calm and collected while Beyer went feral. It was most amusing.

And BTW, I do think Tamaki is a thieving scoundrel.
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August 22, 2010 9:56am
gazzmaniac

Dicks fuck pussies. But dicks also fuck assholes. Because all assholes want to do is shit all over everyone.
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August 22, 2010 10:01am
ciaron

and pussies are only an inch away from being an asshole

gotta love Team America.
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August 22, 2010 10:10am
grumpyoldhori

Viking2 tying ACT and the coastal coalition together, hmm, members of the coastal coalition are members of ACT ?
Hide allowing Garrett to have a go at the minister was utterly bloody stupid, it would have pissed Key off which is not wise.

What the extreme right do not get is that they are only in parliament because of the Nats being understanding about Epsom.

Would Key approach Goff about getting Labour voters to make sure Hide is thrown out by voting for the Nat candidate ?

All the Nats need to do is to keep on playing that Interview with Hide ranting he was entitled to take a girl of twenty five off on a taxpayer funded trip just before the next election.
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August 22, 2010 10:20am
Murray

Tamaki is the freak.
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August 22, 2010 11:08am
MikeNZ

Ciaron
Ignore the wankers.
You were correct.
It would probably be a fair comment and well done for being truthful.
It is a boy and will die a boy, albeit a butchered boy.
It is not a woman and never will be a woman.
Georgie porgie is a he dressed as a woman but he is a male.

stop refering to him as a she as he isn’t.
What does his DNA sat?

Ignore the twats Ciaron.
Oh and I did call Him a fella to his face at parliament because that is what he is.
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August 22, 2010 11:31am
Murray

A pig headed unmillingness to look facts in the face is the cornerstone of politcal correctness Mike.
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August 22, 2010 11:50am
Viking2

Georgina is still a person Mike no matter that you feel intimidated in that persons presence. That person didn’t establish their DNA and neither did you chose yours, so oh but for the Grace of God go YOU.
As a person she/he is entitled to be respected. Treating people like a freak show never was nice.
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August 22, 2010 11:56am
Manolo

“so but oh for the Grace of God go you.”

What did you say? What if there is no god? 🙂
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August 22, 2010 11:59am
Viking2

Manolo. intergalactic forces created by the combination of two sets of DNA. Random possibilities influenced by other outside influences.
Who knows?
The point still remains no one has influence over their own DNA, not even the self righteous!
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August 22, 2010 12:07pm
Viking2

Now , seriously it looks like Paula (three chins) Bennet is going to get the shove. Well she just cannot go around in secret balling out the Maoritocracy like this and expect them not to strike back.

Maori leaders: face facts

Sunday, 22, Aug, 2010 8:54AM

Maori leaders have been told to face up to the fact Maori babies and children are being beaten, abused and killed. They have also been told to pay up in order to help it stop.

The harsh message came from Social Development Minister Paula Bennett in a speech delivered behind closed doors this week. Ms Bennett told iwi leaders to put their hands in their own pockets and commit to a joint effort. Ms Bennett told them ‘the Government does not have all the money right now.’

The minister wants them to fund a ‘whanau finder’ system, with abused children being looked after by iwi, rather than the state. The Minister reminded the leaders 11,000 of the 21,000 cases of abuse and neglect reported each year were Maori.

They don’t give a shit and never will. they will continue to turn their back as they always have and the Nats. will continue to give them our money like they always have. Business as usual.
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August 22, 2010 12:10pm
Manolo

“The point still remains no one has influence over their own DNA, not even the self righteous!”

Spot on.
Place of birth, nationality, race, parents and relatives are all random variables in an unsolvable equation.
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August 22, 2010 12:11pm
MikeNZ

Thanks for the reminder Murray.
I long for a society in Nz that refuses to accept PC as an operating modality.
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August 22, 2010 12:14pm
Viking2

Interesting comment from Espiner this morning on TV.
Asked what our Govt. would make of Abbott in charge he pointed out that several SENIOR Govt. Ministers would find it difficult as Abbott would not have an ETS nor carbon charges.

Now one wonders who those senior minsters just might be. Well Key of course, Smith, Grosser,.

So it looks like the followers who were going to be are now the pace setters all out front on their own.
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August 22, 2010 12:17pm
MikeNZ

Viking
I have never treated him as a freak but I refuse to acknowledge Him as a her as He is not.
So please don’t use emotional painting language on me.
I’m most certainly not intimidated by Him, nor his supporters.

That He has allowed himself to be butchered due to pscho/socio deformity/illness/arrested imprinting is a great sadness.
That others right now use Him as a bellweather for many young people who are unsure of their sexuality is wicked in my mind.
He was made beautiful but He has a damaged view of Himself and has allowed His image to be butchered.

DNA is not the answer either, it is a lifestyle choice.
There is no credible showing that it is hardwired.
At best for the Homosexuals it is a mixture of software and hardware.
persanally from design I see it as software from impaired imprinting and/or abnormal or arrested development.
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August 22, 2010 12:21pm
MikeNZ

Just got this as an email.
Buried in the Middle East.

A man and his ever-nagging wife went on vacation to Jerusalem .
While they were there, the wife passed away. The undertaker told the husband, “You can have her shipped home for $5,000, or you can bury her here, in the Holy Land , for $150.”

The man thought about it and told him he would just have her shipped home.

The undertaker asked, “Why would you spend $5,000 to ship your wife home, when it would be wonderful to be buried here and you would spend only $150?”
The man replied, “Long ago a man died here, was buried here, and three days later he rose from the dead. I just can’t take that chance”
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August 22, 2010 1:10pm
Viking2

“The point still remains no one has influence over their own DNA, not even the self righteous!”
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August 22, 2010 5:13pm
Manolo

Another crook (and wife of a bigger con-man) joins the warmist’s brigade: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/21/clinton-links-pakistan-floods-climate-change/
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August 22, 2010 5:36pm
Fletch

Today’s Yahoo!Xtra poll –

Do you think Islam promotes violence?

Yes 71% 5591 votes
No 24% 1870 votes
Not sure 5% 410 vote
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August 22, 2010 7:31pm
Luc Hansen

Omigod TVOne just flashed across the screen that New Zealand will one day be an Islamic state, according to a Somali immigrant.

That will feed the loonies on here!
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August 22, 2010 7:58pm
Pete George

A pointless poll, eh Fletch. A bit like “Do politicians lie?” or “Do lawyers overcharge?” or “Do Christians diss their opposition?”.
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August 22, 2010 7:59pm
Viking2

No they didn’t. They quoted someone saying that this was a goal of some Somali’s. Its also an Islamic goal. Islam wants to rule the world.

Why is it you lefties always lie?
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August 22, 2010 8:00pm
krazykiwi

Another crook (and wife of a bigger con-man) joins the warmist’s brigade – “Clinton Invokes Climate Change Debate to Explain Pakistan Floods”

I wonder if CAGW can be blamed for:
— India, 1875-78: Famine (10 million dead)
— Huayan Kou, China, 1887: Yang-tse Kiang flooding (one million dead)
— China, 1907: famine (20 million dead)
— China, 1931: Flooding (3.7 million dead)
— Worldwide, 1957: Influenza pandemic (about four million dead)

Oh, and CAGW is already blamed for increased hurricanes even when they are at 30 Year low.
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August 22, 2010 8:05pm
reid

The minister wants them to fund a ‘whanau finder’ system, with abused children being looked after by iwi, rather than the state. The Minister reminded the leaders 11,000 of the 21,000 cases of abuse and neglect reported each year were Maori.

They don’t give a shit and never will. they will continue to turn their back as they always have and the Nats. will continue to give them our money like they always have. Business as usual.

I think you’re quite mistaken, Viking2.

Maori are nothing without whanau. They get into trouble to the degree they lose touch with it and they have a very long and tenuous need for it. They don’t get it, these days, for a variety of reasons.

To me that’s the root cause. I think they do give a shit, but existential circumstances dictate otherwise.
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August 22, 2010 8:24pm
Viking2

The Honorables are still at it as is ACC.

Smith bills public for waitress
By JONATHAN MARSHALL – Sunday Star Times
Last updated 15:50 22/08/2010

ACC Minister Nick Smith – annual salary $240,000 – got taxpayers to foot a $600 bill to have a waitress attend a dinner party in Wellington.

The dinner for members of ACC’s board was held at Smith’s ministerial home. The bill from Rough Edges Catering, issued to Smith and his wife, detailed “private catering” – a three-course dinner served up by a waitress who worked a four-hour shift.

The $607.50 bill – which covered nine people – was split between ACC and Smith’s ministerial office.

Smith defended the expenditure, saying that while he was capable of cooking, his time was better used conversing with ACC’s board.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4048609/Smith-bills-public-for-waitress
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August 22, 2010 8:38pm
Viking2

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10667920
Gatting said companies needed good processes in place for acceptable spending, but some top executives have different views on that. Flowers sent to a work colleague were a case in point.

“Personally I think that [sending flowers] is right on the borderline. It’s a personal sign, it should be paid for personally. These things are a slippery slope,” Gatting said.

Businessman and accountant John Judge, a director of Fletcher Challenge and chairman of both ACC and Te Papa, said an “appropriate” bunch of flowers sent to a colleague who was ill or suffering a bereavement was acceptable.

So clearly the Chairman of ACC agree’s with Smith. Wasting other peoples money is still OK.

Apparently its is ok because ACC cut 35 million form their admin bill this year.
Rather contradicts his spokesman’s statement above.
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August 22, 2010 9:01pm
MyNameIsJack

V2, just what’s your problem with this? Smith cannot be expected to juggle plates and glasses AND take his medication, can he?
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August 22, 2010 9:05pm
Luc Hansen

Viking2:

I was a bit distracted by our toddler throwing up while I was watching the programme, but I don’t see why you need to detract from your minor correction with an accusation of lying. That diminishes you and your case, whatever it is.

krazykiwi:

Mad as ever. Of course these mega disasters have occurred before, but the point is, and statistics prove the point, that they will occur more often and with even higher intensity. There will be lulls, as climate change is not a linear process, but one day today’s children will consider you and your ilk as enemies.

Just in the coming two decades, tens of millions will be forced to move because of climate change. In Australia, farmers are committing suicide at record rates as the realisation that the drought is not a passing phenomenon, but the new climate reality.

While relishing our luck in being relatively unaffected by climate change, at least in the short term, we need to be aware of the pressure we will come under because of that luck. Do we feed the rich or the poor? Do we welcome climate refugees or do we shoot them?
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August 22, 2010 9:21pm
Hurf Durf

Nice to see the Neo-Socialists getting into the minds of dead farmers these days. Ghoulish or what?
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August 22, 2010 10:01pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf

Surely you should be deep in your nuke-proof bunker – Iran is firing up their reactor and gunning for ya!

The Muslims are coming…
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August 22, 2010 10:26pm
Hurf Durf

Nah, bro, State Department sez it’s perfectly harmless, no weapons production capability at all. Nothing to see there.
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August 22, 2010 11:00pm
krazykiwi

but the point is, and statistics prove the point, that they will occur more often and with even higher intensity

Quite the opposite actually. The great profit Algore (all credits be to him) says that cyclones are being caused by global warming, yet statistics show global and northern hemisphere cyclones to be a 30-year lows. The facts show Algore and his acolytes to be frauds and liars.
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August 22, 2010 11:16pm
krazykiwi

This is what happens when a nation cedes its sovereignty, allowing its citizens to be denied local law and exposing them to the rulings of unelected parliaments, in this case the EU:

Surge in Britons exported for trial

The number of people in Britain seized under the controversial “no-evidence-needed” European Arrest Warrant rose by more than 50 per cent last year, figures obtained by The Sunday Telegraph show.

In total 1,032 people – almost three a day – were detained and extradited by British police on the orders of European prosecutors in the 12 months to April, up from 683 in 2008-09. The Home Office expects a further 70 per cent rise, to 1,700 cases, next year.

The increase will fuel growing political concern about the “unfair” and “disproportionate” nature of the warrants, which British courts have little power to challenge.
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August 22, 2010 11:23pm
Hurf Durf

Here comes the eco-terrorists. Hopefully the Security Services are treating them with the dedication they deserve.
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August 22, 2010 11:53pm
gazzmaniac

Don’t you know that anthropogenic climate change is caused by the steady decline of pirates in the Carribbean since the 1700s?
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August 23, 2010 9:49am
krazykiwi

“Luc Hansen” desperately tries to instill fear into the hearts of readers, to wit:

In Australia, farmers are committing suicide at record rates as the realisation that the drought is not a passing phenomenon, but the new climate reality.

A new climate reality huh? Well the record for the longest heat wave in the world is generally accepted to have been set in Marble Bar in Australia, where from October 31, 1923 to April 7, 1924 the temperature broke the 37.8 °C benchmark, setting the heat wave record at 160 days. CO2 was 305 ppm at the time. Source: The Australian Bureau Of Meteorology.
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August 23, 2010 2:28pm
Manolo

Bad omen for Goff when Little’s Aussie counterpart is favourite to lead at the next election:
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/odds-shorten-on-next-labor-leader-20100823-13d2g.html
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August 23, 2010 3:52pm
krazykiwi

One for Chthoniid: Pictured: remarkable moment fox frames photographer’s shot. Image #2 is the cutest!
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