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Steve

Hello, anyone awake?
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August 21, 2010 8:52am
Chicken Little

If God is real – would She really have seen the sense of making Redbaiter?

(Yeah, yeah I know – I’m just another fuckwit commie loser)
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August 21, 2010 8:54am
Don the Kiwi

Certainly not if God was a ‘She’.
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August 21, 2010 8:56am
Inventory2

The Albany Ward is going to be fun in the Auckland Council elections – I’ll bet that Williams had a drink when he read Whale’s presser last night!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/albany-showdown.html
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August 21, 2010 8:57am
Chicken Little

It’s a 50/50 chance IMO Don
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August 21, 2010 8:59am
Steve

Yeah, I can now vote for someone who is not in the trough
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August 21, 2010 8:59am
MikeNZ

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193297

a man who loves people so much he is willing to risk losing their friendship.
Would be we had more like him in NZ.
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August 21, 2010 9:01am
Nomestradamus

Chicken Little:

What was the outcome of your monetary bet (an eye-popping $5000 from memory) with Redbaiter over whether he receives the dole or a sickness benefit? Did I miss the action?
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August 21, 2010 9:24am
eszett

Yes, Mike, that’s a very funny story. Wing Nut Daily man Joseph Stalin lookalike Joe Farah is upset because Ann dumbed him for some more colourful men.

Willing to lose a friendship that probably was very onesided. My heart bleeds.
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August 21, 2010 9:24am
Pete George

The Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin Restoring Honor “non-political” rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s famous speech there (but has nothing to do with King except Dr. Alveda King will speak at it) – is sponsored and promoted by the National Rifleman’s Association.

The mission of the rally is to recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms.

Hard to fathom what the real aim of this is, what they hope to achieve. Testing the crowd pulling power of Beck and Palin?
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August 21, 2010 9:47am
tom hunter

I don’t usually take any notice of Australian elections or politics – but today promises to be a doozy with all the storylines at play:

Will Gillard go down in history as a backstabbing loser or a saviour of the nation blazing new trails.

Will Abbot triumph and have the story told of someone who overcame the odds at every step of the way – or will he be seen as the guy who set the scene for someone else in his party to win government.

Best of all – hung parliament with Labour at the mercy of the Greens with years of insane policies to come.

Popcorn time!
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August 21, 2010 9:49am
backster

I don’t know if Whale has spotted this report yet.

“A Canterbury farmer has admitted the charge after he biked 7km late at night, armed with a rifle, and broke into a rural house where he raped the woman occupant.”

And OF COURSE he has Name Suppression…Doesn’t say if he got bail just that he pleaded guilty to attempted murder, rape,burglary.. still not to worry unless you live in Canterbury, might be your next door neighbour.
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August 21, 2010 9:56am
Pete George

The Aussie election campaign seems to have been the culmination of sideshows driven by the media, it’s ended up being a bizarre sort of a freak show. Never mind, it’s only a country’s governance at stake.

Inane political campaigns – maybe one thing we won’t have any trouble catching up with them on.
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August 21, 2010 9:57am
tom hunter

In the meantime, the flooding crisis continues in Pakistan, in an area the size of the South Island double the population of NZ is in dire need of assistance. Whether ~~to bomb Iran~~ a rally in Washington pulls a crowd or not doesn’t seem such a priority. Does it?

🙂
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August 21, 2010 10:00am
Pete George

You’re right Tom, if all that rally effort went into raising money for a desperate disaster zone it might make a bit of sense. But it’s populist USA, so they are obsessed with million dollar egos.
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August 21, 2010 10:13am
Chicken Little

Nomestradamus – You missed nothing, as you may have worked out by now Red is full of it. He never stumped with the money and all ‘we’ heard was more bluster and bullshit about how I was a commie etc etc ( you know the rave ).

That means, of course, that Red is MY BITCH for ever more, and he knows it.

He is either on a benefit or works in a govt department as anyone who can post that much inane crap 60 times a day either has no life or a life paid by us, the taxpayer.

He was reluctant to give me the details I required to confirm his identity and employment status which is a shame as I had the new site ready to go. 🙂
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August 21, 2010 10:37am
Chicken Little

Pete G – maybe there are some other countries in the world that could help out the pakistanis?

Or maybe America is already helping out
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August 21, 2010 10:40am
tom hunter

But it’s populist USA, so they are obsessed with million dollar egos
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August 21, 2010 10:51am
grumpyoldhori

Obama will be at a prayer session ranting to the lord, whoops allah, please please make it Palin and Beck as the Republican presidential candidates.

After all Palin believes she has the ability and intellectual firepower of Baroness Thatcher at her best .
To quote LLoyd Benson, we know Baroness Thatcher and Palin you are no Baroness Thatcher.
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August 21, 2010 11:10am
grumpyoldhori

That damn Muslim Obama, how dare he put brave Christian Americans at risk in helping those Muslims who all want to do harm to god fearing Christians.
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August 21, 2010 11:15am
tom hunter

Obama will be at a prayer session ranting to the lord, …..

It’s worse than that Grumpy. Apparently Obama gets biblical verses sent on his Blackberry every day

Sheesh. If I was a leftie I’d be very worried about some Christianist President who thinks he’s doing God’s Will.

But that was then and this is now. Double standards. Love ’em.
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August 21, 2010 11:19am
Manolo

Don’t you worry Grumpy. The Messiah will claim Ngai Tahu ancestry and could be considered one of yours after the U.S. people ditch him and the Democrats in 2012.
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August 21, 2010 11:20am
krazykiwi

From the UK

PwC warns of ‘slowth’ decade for house prices

UK house prices will not recover to their 2007 peak for another decade, once the effects of inflation are included, the world’s largest accounting firm has warned.

PricewaterhouseCoopers’ prediction places it alongside other forecasters, Capital Economics and the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR), which have a less than optimistic outlook for the UK housing market.

PwC estimates that prices have already fallen 17pc in real terms, after adjusting for inflation. Although it believes prices will rise at 2pc a year for the next decade, they will not recover the ground lost until 2020.

NIESR is more pessimistic, forecasting that house prices will fall 8pc in the next five years once inflation is taken into account. Capital Economics has been gloomier still, predicting a crash of over 20pc in the next two years as house prices re-establish their traditional link with earnings.

Average house prices roughly tripled under Labour from £77,531 in 1997 to £212,453 in the first quarter of this year – having peaked at £220,000, according to the Department of Communities and Local Government, delivering huge returns for some homeowners even after the recent crash.

What about NZ? I wonder …
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August 21, 2010 11:41am
Kris K

MikeNZ 9:01 am,

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193297

a man who loves people so much he is willing to risk losing their friendship.
Would be we had more like him in NZ.

It saddens me, Mike, when those on the right, especially when they’re Christians (like Coulter and Beck), are prepared to compromise on their values, and go against clear biblical teaching. This erosion of conservative values by the right will be its eventual downfall and move into irrelevancy if not arrested.

Good on Joseph Farah for making a principled stand – even if it is at the expense of friendship. We need more people who are not prepared to compromise, no matter what the cost. Is this not what we are called to? Are we not here primarily to change hearts and minds, and not foster friendships with those who hold to worldy views and values?

“… know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”
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August 21, 2010 11:43am
tom hunter

Enough with the seriousness. I got an email from an old friend in the US yesterday with a link to a very slick and funny dig at the iPhone (and iPhone users).

The XPhone
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August 21, 2010 11:48am
grumpyoldhori

Manolo I will piss myself with laughter if all those tea baggers who consider Obama a Muslim make Palin the Republican candidate.
Fuck it will be even funnier if she wins and decides to help those brave Georgians by trying to push the Russian military out of Georgia.
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August 21, 2010 11:48am
grumpyoldhori

tom hunter a mistake surely, those should be verses from the Koran being send to the dusky US boss ?
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August 21, 2010 11:52am
krazykiwi

Iran broadcasts missile launch on state television

Iran has test fired a surface-to-surface missile, according to the country’s defence minister

Ahmad Vahidi’s announcement comes a day before Iran is scheduled to launch its Russian-built first nuclear power plant in the southern port city of Bushehr. Television images showed the sand coloured Qiam (Rising) blasting into the air from a desert terrain, amid chants of “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest).

The words “Ya Mahdi” were written on the side of the missile, referring to Imam Mahdi, one of the 12 imams of Shiite Islam, who disappeared as a boy and whom the faithful believe will return one day to bring redemption to mankind.

Mr Vahidi, who was speaking during Friday prayers in Tehran, did not say when the launch took place nor did he disclose the precise range of the missile. “The missile has new technical aspects and has a unique tactical capacity,” he said on state television, adding that the device was of a “new class.” “Since the surface-to-surface missile has no wings, it has lot of tactical power, which also reduces the chances of it being intercepted,” he said.

I wonder how much symbolism there is in the timing – A new missile with “a unique tactical capability” tested one day, and new reactor online the next.

Who here really believes Iran has peaceful intentions?
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August 21, 2010 11:54am
tom hunter

And this is even better – though my wife informs me that it’s “guy humour” – even though she got from a friend via Facebook:

10 drugs you shouldn’t take while driving
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August 21, 2010 11:57am
grumpyoldhori

Around 60% of Americans believe Obama to be a Muslim born in Kenya.
And a British newspaper asked how so many Americans could be so fucking dumb as to reelect Bush, an easy answer is it not, because so many are fucking dumb.
The fuckwits we get as visitors to this country from jesusland are even dumber.
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August 21, 2010 12:03pm
Pete George

“Apparently Obama gets biblical verses sent on his Blackberry every day”

Doesn’t surprise me, seems like most politicians with ambitions in the US think they have to be seen to be sufficiently Christian. I wonder if that helps them be guided by the Jewish lobby? But are they misguided?

The results from a new Pew make you want to shake your head about, well, the entire media landscape of the 21st century. Per the survey, only 34% believe — correctly — that President Obama is a Christian (down 17 points since 2008); 18% think he’s a Muslim (up six points since ’08); and 43% say they don’t know his religion (up 11 points).

Does this mean it doesn’t really matter? Or are the doubt sowers succeeding? More “don’t know” now than before, moving from those who thought he was a Christian. Is that why he is trying to be more visibly a Christian? Getting tied up in knots, trying to twist in every direction he thinks there could be a voter.

How can people “know” he was a Christian, and now “don’t know”? The US attracts many of the best and brightest from around the world. Maybe they need them to balance what is already there.
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August 21, 2010 12:09pm
tom hunter

If you go back a few years you find opinion polls where a reasonable % of the US population believed that Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks. Little mention of that nuttiness in the now-sullied halls of the NYT and co.

Then there is the perennial question about UFO’s.

Moreover, this sort of stuff is gleefully pounced on by Kiwi’s to push the Stupid Yanks meme so beloved here on both the left and right wings. Rather amusing given the numbers of people here who go for homeopathy and watch Sensing Murder.

Some of this is the simple fact of opinion surveys: what questions you ask, how you ask them, and perhaps what questions are not asked. In the above example I’d have to wonder how many people used that question to simply deliver a poke in the eye to a guy who’s quite happy to feed the Teabaggers slur: message to Obama – Up Yours Pal!
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August 21, 2010 12:37pm
tom hunter

… and I think that was 18% in the Pew poll.

Seems like Grumpy is one of those guys who….. verbally enlarges things 😉
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August 21, 2010 1:00pm
MikeNZ

Yeah Kris
Things are not what they seem, this is a world at war.
The prize is our hearts, we do have a part to play.

M/s coulter wasn’t thinking about the unintended consequences.

Tom
I think the stupid yanks thing is a spiritual malaise as it is almost religious in it’s intensity both with left and right I’ve noticed.
Many of the educated people I know evidence it and it is not reasonable which I find interesting as they get very het up very quickly.

Thanks for the 10 things, a good laugh.
The xphone was very neat. thanks
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August 21, 2010 1:05pm
tom hunter

Heh, heh.

One of my favourite cartoonists – Michael Ramiriz – is on the job again. As usual this reminds me that there really is no right-wing cartoonist in NZ nowadays.

It’s a freedom of religion thing

It’s a pity the html tags for images don’t seem to work in the comments section of this blog. I’ve asked DPF and he assures me that it can be done – but script examples that work fine in a test site just don’t operate here
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August 21, 2010 1:12pm
Kris K

Pete G[e]orge 12:09 pm,

“Apparently Obama gets biblical verses sent on his Blackberry every day”

How can people “know” he was a Christian, and now “don’t know”?

While only God can look on the heart, Pete, we have a pretty sure-fire way of being fairly certain where a person is coming from:

“… by their fruits ye shall know them.”

What are the “Fruits” of Obama and his administration, Pete? (rhetorical)
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August 21, 2010 1:46pm
Kris K

tom hunter 1:12 pm,

It’s a freedom of religion thing

Very good, Tom.
Ramiriz’s cartoon says it all – “Islam – the new kid on the block” (my paraphrase).
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August 21, 2010 1:52pm
reid

Iran prepares to start reactor

Excellent. Isn’t that good news.
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August 21, 2010 2:04pm
tom hunter

That 1000Mw will certainly be put to good use once a capitalist democracy takes over from the Mullahs.
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August 21, 2010 2:19pm
reid

Don’t hold your breath, tom.
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August 21, 2010 2:30pm
tom hunter

I’m not.

But as a solid supporter of market capitalism, democracy, and secular civil institutions (requiring the separation of church and state naturally) the world over I certainly want Iranian society to get those key pillars.

As I’m sure do all others who regularly claim to support such things. 😉
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August 21, 2010 2:45pm
reid

I support market driven Hayeckian capitalism and I do think Iran is harsh in areas where it shouldn’t be. I also think Iran is widely and often deliberately mis-interpreted by those who should know better and consequently equally widely is mis-understood amongst the general population.

It’s an interesting psyop war they have going using the MSM as the vehicle, is my current thought re: Iran.
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August 21, 2010 3:06pm
MikeNZ

KrisK
add to that, Christians won’t deliberately enable behaviours like homosexuality or behaviour that breaks legislative legal crimes.

The other way of knowing is do they profess Jesus Christ, not God or god or gods, But Jesus and unequivocally Him. Matthew 10.32
“if you honour me before man I will honour you before my Father”.
and
John 8.31
if you continue in my word, then you’re my disciple.
My disciples bear real fruit John 15.8
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August 21, 2010 3:29pm
MikeNZ

Here’s a good explanation
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/90-23_The-Cost-of-Discipleship?q=the+cost+of+discipleship
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August 21, 2010 3:35pm
Viking2

So are we going to be exposed to some breathless gushing reporter on the news tonight telling us about the thousands who marched today??

Unions will march today!

Saturday, 21, Aug, 2010 8:09AM

Workers are taking to the streets this weekend in a multi-union display of solidarity over new employment laws.

‘Fairness at Work’ rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch this afternoon, and Dunedin tomorrow.

The Council of Trade Unions has organised the protest marches, in opposition to the changes introduced to Parliament on Thursday.

President Helen Kelly says the CTU is unhappy with changes like the 90-day trial period, and the requirement to produce a doctor’s certificate after one day’s sick leave.
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August 21, 2010 3:56pm
reid

“…says the CTU is unhappy with changes like the 90-day trial period, and the requirement to produce a doctor’s certificate after one day’s sick leave”

So Key’s doing something right then.
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August 21, 2010 4:07pm
Hurf Durf

Iran launches a missile on the same day it activates its reactor, no provocation there, no Sir. It’s all for peaceful purposes.

Barky gives Arab-Israeli peace talks a year to succeed. CIA says there’s at least a year before Iran gets the bomb. Hey, isn’t that a wonderful coincidence? They must think we’re stupid.

Around 60% of Americans believe Obama to be a Muslim born in Kenya.

DenseOldFuckwit doesn’t know what one in five is, surprise surprise.

One in five people in any Western country also believes central planning works and the same number are also Labour supporters here, turns out there’s a 20% fuckwit quota everywhere.
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August 21, 2010 4:57pm
Jibbering Gibbon

“So Key’s doing something right then.”

I don’t know if poking a beehive with a stick is “doing something right” but it gets a reaction.
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August 21, 2010 5:01pm
Inventory2

Nice to see Phil Goff down there preaching to the workers today. D’ya think he told them that he PERSONALLY doesn’t mind the idea of workers being able to cash up their 4th week of leave, even though Andrew Three-Hats disagrees?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/phil-hypocrite.html
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August 21, 2010 5:20pm
Kris K

MikeNZ 3:29 pm & 3:35 pm,

Thanks for the sermon link.

Re: The Cost of Discipleship.
Like you, Mike, I think true Christianity is always prepared to bear the cost – to name Christ and Him alone; to stand on biblical principle and teaching even when to do so is unpopular, or worse, may possibly cost your life.

This is why I struggle with those who profess themselves to be Christian but are, for example, alright with liberalising cannibas laws (BlairM), or the destruction of private property (Bryla). And don’t get me started on those who think homosexuality is just a lifestyle choice.

I think a lot of people like to wear the label ‘Christian’ (eg would enter that on the census), but are likely to hear the words “Depart from me … I never knew you” when they stand before the One they so casually profess.
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August 21, 2010 5:28pm
reid

Hurf for all we know Iran could already have a nuke courtesy of the black market of the 90’s.

Even if it doesn’t, it’s got some powerful Russian hardware with serious pointy ends, some of which is capable of nuclear delivery.

It probably launches lots of missiles all the time. Even if it was a provocation, which it probably was, so what? Big deal.
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August 21, 2010 5:29pm
stephen

One of my favourite cartoonists – Michael Ramiriz – is on the job again. As usual this reminds me that there really is no right-wing cartoonist in NZ nowadays.

It’s a freedom of religion thing

Have they moved the proposed site of the centre from two blocks away to Ground Zero then? If it’s ‘merely symbolism’ it’s a way off.
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August 21, 2010 5:29pm
Viking2

iPAD FOR $35.00

http://www.news.com.au/technology/ipad/tablet-pc-has-more-features-than-the-ipad/story-fn5knrwy-1225907604152
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August 21, 2010 5:30pm
Manolo

Talking about cartoonists, I’m sick and tired of the Dom Post’s duo of Tom Scott and Broomhead, both unabashed left-wingers (probably their only credential why they find employment at that gasthly newspaper.)

For all his perceived notoriety, Scott is nothing but a boom-box for Labour’s propaganda. Broomhead cannot even draw.
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August 21, 2010 5:46pm
Chthoniid

One of my favourite cartoonists – Michael Ramiriz – is on the job again. As usual this reminds me that there really is no right-wing cartoonist in NZ nowadays.

It’s a freedom of religion thing

Have they moved the proposed site of the centre from two blocks away to Ground Zero then? If it’s ‘merely symbolism’ it’s a way off.

Nope, it’s still over 2 blocks away.
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August 21, 2010 6:15pm
roger rabbit

The fuckwits we get as visitors to this country from jesusland are even dumber.(THIS FROM A MAORI)
grumpy dumb hori i would rather meet boatloads of yanks than have your baby killing ,P lab running mongrel mob bros moving in next door, isnt that easy to say , and ask the majority of law abiding white NZs ,they would agree with me, rather a asian than a maori ,neighbor next door, truth hurts
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August 21, 2010 6:17pm
MyNameIsJack

Just back from visiting the grandkids in Oz (and voting for Julia, how could I not when we are both Footscray tragics?) and the first face I see on TV is Paula “who ate all the pies” Bennet. Jesusonajetski, the woman is almost as big as Parakura Horrieforlunchforme!

So, what’s been happening playmates, and what’s this above about Redbaiter actually BEING a bennie?
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August 21, 2010 6:34pm
krazykiwi

Welcome back. What a shame demerits don’t expire:

My name is Jack/Left Right Out – 10 (29/10/09) + 20 (7/12/09) + 30 (18/12/09) +30 (11/5/09) = 90
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August 21, 2010 6:37pm
Hurf Durf

Hey, Jackoff’s back. Protip: Billy Bonkers is called Robert Mapplethorpe these days.
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August 21, 2010 6:39pm
tom hunter

Have they moved the proposed site of the centre from two blocks away to Ground Zero then? If it’s ‘merely symbolism’ it’s a way off.
…
Nope, it’s still over 2 blocks away.

Look – it’s Tom Scott exaggerating a situation or feature in order to make a point
Left-wing response: “Too funny”

Look – it’s Michael Ramirez exaggerating a situation or feature in order to make a point
Left-wing response: “That’s not accurate at all”
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August 21, 2010 7:19pm
wat dabney

Kris K,

It is an absolute certainty that you wilfully flout the overwhelming majority of Biblical teachings; from wearing the wrong sort of tassles on your shirt through to declining to live in absolute poverty.

So, as Jesus probably said, enough already with the throwing of the first stone and the not paying attention to the plank in your own eye…
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August 21, 2010 7:30pm
F E Smith

Wow, the police are actually disappointed to have two defendants found guilty by a jury! That is really unusual.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10667779
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August 21, 2010 7:49pm
reid

F E why is the justice system so obdurate in admitting mistakes?
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August 21, 2010 7:56pm
Pete George

The police protecting their own. The constable convicted of wilfully attempting to pervert the court of justice said she was instructed from above – but later admitted what had happened.

The police will be aware that most young guys will shut up and take a bum rap when up against the police. The tenacity of supporters saw this one through to a belatedly just conclusion.

I don’t very limited experience but have been involved personally in the 70s in a trivial incident. They picked two randomly out of a group of six and blatantly lied in court. It only half worked for them, one defended and got off the charge. I was the other one.
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August 21, 2010 8:17pm
Viking2

Southern District operations manager Inspector Lane Todd said he was disappointed the two officers had been found guilty of perjury-related charges.

An internal code-of-conduct investigation would be held and both remained suspended on full pay until the investigation was completed.

the Potters never gave up trying to clear Mr Cribb’s name, spending more than $17,000 to fund his defence.

Justice if you have the money, all the while the perpetrators are on full pay.
Doesn’t seem right to me.
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August 21, 2010 8:55pm
IHStewart

Just for fun
Hey Fox Fans, Your Favorite Network Is Part-Owned By a Saudi Prince Whose Family Rules By Sharia Law

Posted by digby at 10:56 am
August 17, 2010
This post first appeared on Hullabaloo.
Maybe Newtie could persuade Rupert Murdoch to have his partners build some synagogues and churches and end all this unpleasantness.
The stridency with which Fox News personalities attack the downtown Islamic center — red meat for the millions who tune in each night — is an example of the often uneasy relationship and occasionally diverging interests between many of News Corp.’s properties, in this case Fox News and its parent corporation.
For example, News Corp.’s second-largest shareholder, after the Murdoch family, is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal (pictured above ), the nephew of Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, and one of the world’s richest men.
[…]
Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by Alwaleed’s uncle King Abdullah, is, of course, an authoritarian petro-monarchy that actually is governed by Sharia law and is known as one of the top global sponsors of terrorism. A spokesperson for the Saudi embassy in Washington says that while Alwaleed is part of the royal family, he isn’t a member of the government, but rather a private citizen.
I doubt all those Fox news patriots know that the same News Corp that’s owned by a Wahhabist Saudi prince just donated a million dollars to the Republican party. Of course they’ll never find out because the only network they watch is the same terrorist funded network that’s doing it.
But if they were to hear about it, considering that they all seem to be so worried about the terrorists coming to kill them in their beds, I would imagine they’d be uncomfortable about getting all their news from a network that’s partially owned by one of “them.” And I’d be very surprised if they were sanguine about a scary Muslim donating to their patriotic political party. Why next thing you know they’ll be trying to build community centers near Ground Zero.
At the very least, this whole thing is very insensitive, don’t you think? After all, some people really hate Muslims and it’s very unpleasant for them to have to watch news networks that are owned by them and be asked vote for a Party that’s funded by them. I’m not saying that Murdoch should be forced to stop donating millions to Republicans or partnering with Saudi princes who believe in Sharia law. I just think it’s common sense that he wouldn’t do it in the first place.
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August 21, 2010 10:00pm
noskire

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August 21, 2010 10:07pm
Hurf Durf

Zzzzzzzzz. Huh! What? What’s that, Stu? Oh, OK. Zzzzzzzzz.
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August 21, 2010 10:09pm
Luc Hansen

Saudi money funded Bin Laden.

Jon Stewart showed the money trail.

I think it’s fair to say that Murdoch has been outed as a terrorist financier and he should be sent to Gitmo (too late in the night to spell it in full! But for some strange reason it’s in Cuba ) immediately.
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August 21, 2010 10:14pm
Luc Hansen

Apropos of nothing…

I really hope Australians elect Abbott as PM.

They deserve him.
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August 21, 2010 10:16pm
reid

The Green swing is unbelievable. The whole country’s going mental.
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August 21, 2010 10:19pm
Luc Hansen

It’s up 4 points, reid, and so it should be, but if Labour hangs on it will be thanks to the Green vote and they don’t deserve it. They sold the farm on climate change even as Australia suffers what is looking like a permanent drought.
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August 21, 2010 10:22pm
reid

“It’s up 4 points, reid, and so it should be…”

No Luc, it shouldn’t be. Not under any circumstance. Ever.

Anything else is mental thinking.

“They sold the farm on climate change even as Australia suffers what is looking like a permanent drought.”

What the hell do you think is going to happen to Australia’s drought even if all factory emissions stopped throughout the land, tomorrow? Nothing, is the answer I’d expect to hear. So why do it even a little bit?
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August 21, 2010 10:27pm
Hurf Durf

Good to see the true believers hanging on to the AGW mongery.
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August 21, 2010 10:32pm
Luc Hansen

Your are right reid. It shouldn’t be up 4 pts. It should be 50!

If all emissions in the world stopped tomorrow, Australia could return to normal in a hundred years or so. But they won’t, so it won’t.

Why we should all do our bit is because this oncoming train is not a steam engine, it’s a bullet! And we should all care about what we leave for our kids and grandkids, shouldn’t we?

I’m picking a plus-three degrees temperature rise this century, and the drought will be the least of Australia’s worries.
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August 21, 2010 10:48pm
TimG_Oz

My Name is Jack said:

Just back from visiting the grandkids in Oz (and voting for Julia, how could I not when we are both Footscray tragics?)

Funny – I don’t remember MNIJ being an Australian Western Bulldogs AFL supporter. That was always the “Billyborker” persona. So In case there was any doubt, these posters are one and the same, it is now confirmed.
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August 21, 2010 10:53pm
Luc Hansen

But Tim

Who are you?
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August 21, 2010 10:59pm
stephen

Look – it’s Tom Scott exaggerating a situation or feature in order to make a point
Left-wing response: “Too funny”

Look – it’s Michael Ramirez exaggerating a situation or feature in order to make a point
Left-wing response: “That’s not accurate at all”

All i’ve ever heard about McCully (including from noted left winger DPF) since i’ve followed politics in the past several years is encapsulated in that one speech bubble. Ramirez is not quite so neat.
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